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So this is VS that has more to do with Philosophy and wits than Force Power and Dueling skill.

Hypothetically, if Lady Traya and Sidious were to meet and debate about what the Sith should be, how exactly would that conversation go? Would Traya ultimately submit to Sidious' imperialistic and radical views of the galaxy, the rule of the Strong? Or would Sheev find some wisdom in Traya's grey philosophy?

If I'm honest, these two are among the most compelling of Star Wars, they(imo)count as two of the most interesting villains in literature and gaming.

So who has the better philosophy in the end? The lady of Betrayal or the Perfect embodiment of the Sith

(low-key baiting Temp into commenting tbh)

Interesting. mmm

They would both reject each other completely and relentlessly.

Palpatine would laugh at Kreia's retardation and then snap her neck.

You realize this has essentially already happened. Vergere is Traya's better written, NJO counterpart; and their partnership ended with her attempting to assassinate him, and failing miserably.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Palpatine would laugh at Kreia's retardation and then snap her neck.
Basically that shit about killing the Force was retarded

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Palpatine would laugh at Kreia's retardation and then snap her neck.
Realtalk

Pre or Post betrayal?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Pre or Post betrayal?

Which betrayal?

At the hands of Sion & Nihilus.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Vergere is Traya's better written
mmm

Originally posted by NewGuy01

Originally posted by NewGuy01

Originally posted by NewGuy01
You realize this has essentially already happened. Vergere is Traya's better written, NJO counterpart; and their partnership ended with her attempting to assassinate him, and failing miserably.


Spot-on!

Traya was pretty much the best Obsidian could do. But yeah, that thing with her wanting to kill the Force at the end was a horrible revelation. *shivers*

Well that's why I ask pre or post betrayal; because after she's kicked out of the Triumvirate, it's apparent she abandoned that plan.

So you're saying she lied to get the Exile to kill her at the end? I mean, she does seem to suddenly forget about it after the Exile beats her, but that could just be one of Obsidian's big plot holes.

That's my impression, I think from the beginning Kreia planned to have the Exile kill her, I believe she even says as much at some point. I'm given the impression that she readopted the moniker of Sith Lord/Traya and the scheme that came with it to bait the Exile into killing her, which is why she's so pleased when the Exile does.

It makes much more sense, if Kreia was still so intent on seeing the death of the Force, she could have just let Nihilus rampage, and yet she's instead intent of destroying him, and become enraged if you take the DS path and become like him.

Concerning that quote:

"But above these legions there are three who must be stopped. As long as any one of them lives then we, and all life are doomed."

I don't think Nihilus could actually end the Force. Then again, the whole "Wound in the Force" concept really wasn't fleshed out properly.

She probably did lie to get the Exile to kill her as the Exile's "final test". Unfortunately, the Revan novel revealed that it was the final test for the Exile to go into the Unknown Regions and lose horribly to Nyriss before being backstabbed by Scourge.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I don't think Nihilus could actually end the Force. Then again, the whole "Wound in the Force" concept really wasn't fleshed out properly.Well I think its not a case of ending the Force, but cutting everyone else from it i.e. to create wound so powerful that the echoes would deafen them to the Force (like Malachor did to the Exile) or kill them. And seeing as Nihilus was going about creating wounds it stands to reason he could achieve that, if such a thing were possible.Yeah, I'd also speculate that she did it to sever the connection between them, with Vrook saying that one way to sever a bond is if the relationship between the bonded undergoes radical change, betraying the Exile would have done that.

And true, though what Traya wanted her to achieve exactly is ambiguous, I'm giving the impression she didn't really care, and was satisfied having created a student that vindicated her teachings and cleaned up her mess before kicking the bucket.

Originally posted by SunRazer


She probably did lie to get the Exile to kill her as the Exile's "final test". Unfortunately, the Revan novel revealed that it was the final test for the Exile to go into the Unknown Regions and lose horribly to Nyriss before being backstabbed by Scourge.

I really, really hate Drew.

Originally posted by Petrus
I really, really hate Drew.

This comment needs to be profiled tbh

KOTOR II needed to be put in it's place. Drew Karpyshyn understood. He could see the future. That is why he helped me!

Sas... You're a cvnt tbh

jk ily

--and anybody who didn't read that post in Dooku's voice is disowned.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
KOTOR II needed to be put in it's place. Drew Karpyshyn understood. He could see the future. That is why he helped me!

WAT