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Sad news. Round up all these Muslims and put them in concentration camps. Should take care of a lot of the problems.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Sad news. Round up all these Muslims and put them in concentration camps. Should take care of a lot of the problems.

Do you mean all 56 million in Europe or...what exactly?

No just the apologists such as yourself

So people who aren't Muslim and don't want to blame all Muslims for the acts for a few radicals? I guess we got to lock up like 600 million Europeans ...

Acts of a few

Syria and Iraq takeover is acts of a few?

SMH you are ignorant and dumb

NtVVaJqZtko

Honestly, this shit can't go on. The people are gonna get to a point and just straight up revolt.

What does the Iraq and Syria take overs have to do with the tens of millions of peaceful Muslims in Europe?

As far as I know estimates for ISIS fighters are around 30.000 or so. Not a tiny number, but much, much lower than peaceful Muslims in Europe (and much, much lower than non-combatants in Iraq and Syria or the rest of the Middle East as well).

Not Barodock, he loves the way Europe is turning out. But he won't give any refugees jobs in his daddy's construction company.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you mean all 56 million in Europe or...what exactly?

No, just the U.S. I don't live in Europe.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
No, just the U.S. I don't live in Europe.

You think all Muslims in the US should be put in camps?

No I think all apologists should like yourself. Speaking of camps, didn't your country come up with the idea of concentration camps?

Originally posted by Bardock42
You think all Muslims in the US should be put in camps?

I don't know. I always ask myself, what would Hitler do!

It appears that you are making a joke. There are definitely some people who think that though. I wonder what your truthful opinion on what to do is, if you are willing to share?

The truth is your country came up with concentration camps

/history

Im not sure ti knows the difference between majority and minority.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What does the Iraq and Syria take overs have to do with the tens of millions of peaceful Muslims in Europe?

As far as I know estimates for ISIS fighters are around 30.000 or so. Not a tiny number, but much, much lower than peaceful Muslims in Europe (and much, much lower than non-combatants in Iraq and Syria or the rest of the Middle East as well).

Pretty sure it's in the millions, not thousands.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Im not sure ti knows the difference between majority and minority.

Nice one off, but irrelevant to the thread, Im starting to understand why Palestinians hate you so much.

Originally posted by SquallX
Pretty sure it's in the millions, not thousands.

https://www.rt.com/usa/331355-islamic-state-fighters-numbers/

The CIA estimates 30,000.

Even the largest esestimate by Kurdish leaders, which include non-fighting personnel affiliated with ISIS, are at most like 200,000. Millions is a completely absurd estimate, where did you get it from?

RT is only valid when Bardock posts it, when anyone else does, he dismisses it as heresy. Typical hypocrite.

Whenever I see these threads I see pic related.

Did you draw that yourself? It's good. And really clever. I especially like how the racist guy isn't the fat one.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So people who aren't Muslim and don't want to blame all Muslims for the acts for a few radicals? I guess we got to lock up like 600 million Europeans ...
Few radicals...? A decent majority of Mulism are radicals.

The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

Radical Islamic terrorists in the US and Europe are very, very, very few as compared to the much larger, peaceful population of Muslims in these countries.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Radical Islamic terrorists in the US and Europe are very, very, very few as compared to the much larger, peaceful population of Muslims in these countries.
We're talking worldwide.

In total, a decent majority of Muslims are radicalized.

Plus, a majority of British muslisms hold radical beliefs:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/

More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.
The results have sparked debate about the integration of the Britain's largest religious minority.

The survey also found British Muslims more likely than the general population to sympathize with terrorism "as a form of political protest,"

Originally posted by Bardock42
Radical Islamic terrorists in the US and Europe are very, very, very few as compared to the much larger, peaceful population of Muslims in these countries.

Yes, but aren't there like a billion muslims and thus a small amount of those could still be like..millions upon millions of people, right?

Originally posted by Stigma
We're talking worldwide.

In total, a decent majority of Muslims are radicalized.

Plus, a majority of British muslisms hold radical beliefs:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/

More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.
The results have sparked debate about the integration of the Britain's largest religious minority.

The survey also found British Muslims more likely than the general population to sympathize with terrorism "as a form of political protest,"

The conversation you were responding to was not regarding worldwide statistics.

Even then, the calculations that Ben Shapiro does here is dishonest, and could be equally done for Christian countries in Africa, Asia or SA. Radical religious idea (to us in the West) are just not the same as what we are discussing.

Basically one "radical" answer in a survey does not a terrorist make.

Originally posted by Stigma

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/

More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.
The results have sparked debate about the integration of the Britain's largest religious minority.


28% of Americans think homosexuality should not be legal. 10 years ago 49% of Americans thought that: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

So are you willing to say that almost 1/3 of Americans hold radical beliefs as well?

Homophobia is an issue, it's not a Muslim-only issue though.

Just what percentage of muslims do you think are radical though? Since even like 5% would still be like 50 million people right?

Originally posted by Bardock42
The conversation you were responding to was not regarding worldwide statistics.
It's irrelevant given that Islamic terrorism is not confined to Europe only, nor is ISIS based in Europe and the topic is clearly connected to ISIS too.

But what you're really saying is that you do not like the facts.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Even then, the calculations that Ben Shapiro does here is dishonest, and could be equally done for Christian countries in Africa, Asia or SA.
LOL no. He bases it on polls done in those Muslim countries. The only person dishonest here is you.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Radical religious idea (to us in the West) are just not the same as what we are discussing.
Radical as in believing that honor killings of women are ok?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Basically one "radical" answer in a survey does not a terrorist make.
But it makes a radicalized person. A person who thinks "gays should be stoned and honor killings of women are fun".

You are clueless. So... color me surprised.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just what percentage of muslims do you think are radical though? Since even like 5% would still be like 50 million people right?

If we define radical as potentially willing to perpetuate terrorist attacks in the name of their religion? I would say less than 0.01% of Muslims in Europe.

Originally posted by Bardock42
28% of Americans think homosexuality should not be legal. 10 years ago 49% of Americans thought that: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

So are you willing to say that almost 1/3 of Americans hold radical beliefs as well?

Homophobia is an issue, it's not a Muslim-only issue though.
Irrelevant, given that noone wants gay/lesbian people stoned to death or goes along with honor killings of women, as majority of Muslims do.

But at least you tried.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If we define radical as willing to perpetuate terrorist attacks in the name of their religion? I would say less than 0.01% of Muslims in Europe.
Based on your good poor judgement?

I don't think we can trust your gut here

Originally posted by Bardock42
If we define radical as potentially willing to perpetuate terrorist attacks in the name of their religion? I would say less than 0.01% of Muslims in Europe.

What if we defined radical as those merely with radical beliefs? So they might not be willing to make an attack, but they have no problems with these attacks either.

Originally posted by Stigma

But it makes a radicalized person. A person who thinks "gays should be stoned and honor killings of women are fun".

You are clueless. So... color me surprised.

Saying "I don't think that homosexuality should be legal" (like 28% of Americans still do), does not make the person holding that belief also want gays to be stoned and honour killings of women perpetrated. It's radical in one sense, but it's not radical in the sense that you wish to imply.

Originally posted by Stigma
Based on your good poor judgement?

I don't think we can trust your gut here

He asked me to give an estimate.

Originally posted by Surtur
What if we defined radical as those merely with radical beliefs? So they might not be willing to make an attack, but they have no problems with these attacks either.

Having no problems with attacks like 9/11 and the Paris Attacks? I don't think that that number is that much higher. I haven't found statistics though.

I do like your definition though. It does help differentiate between radical Religious thought (that many Christians in the west hold as well) and radical, potentially violent, anti-West sentiment.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Saying "I don't think that homosexuality should be legal" (like 28% of Americans still do), does not make the person holding that belief also want gays to be stoned and honour killings of women perpetrated. It's radical in one sense, but it's not radical in the sense that you wish to imply.
I applaud you for trying to spin it, but you fail miserably

Some polls done in Muslism countries in the video you supposedly watched explicitly state that one of the questions was "what do you think about honor killings of women" and majority of Muslims are fine with that. Same with similar issues.

Americans do not want to kill Jews/gays/lesbians/women. Majority of Muslims, however, do.

Again, you are clueless and/or trolling. At least try to keep up

Originally posted by Bardock42
Having no problems with attacks like 9/11 and the Paris Attacks? I don't think that that number is that much higher. I haven't found statistics though.

I do like your definition though. It does help differentiate between radical Religious thought (that many Christians in the west hold as well) and radical, potentially violent, anti-West sentiment.
And I like how you try to spin it and talk about Christianity (even if your points are extremely poor and way off) when the topic is about Islamic terrorism.

Stay on topic

Originally posted by Bardock42
28% of Americans think homosexuality should not be legal. 10 years ago 49% of Americans thought that: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

So are you willing to say that almost 1/3 of Americans hold radical beliefs as well?

Homophobia is an issue, it's not a Muslim-only issue though.

Stop making ****ing excuses for these assholes.

news Flash, that religion has been around for nearly 2,000 yrs, yet it still holds its dark ages values as truth, and it has no reason to change anytime soon.

The come a time were this ****ing religion needs to pay for it's crime. Christianity change with the times, and till this day were still crucifying Christians for what the religion did in the pass, but when it comes to Islam, were being racist, phobic because we call it what it is.

I say **** that. You kill innocent in the name of you're God, and when the working people rise up, then we have these sheep defending them.

Originally posted by SquallX
Stop making ****ing excuses for these assholes.

news Flash, that religion has been around for nearly 2,000 yrs, yet it still holds its dark ages values as truth, and it has no reason to change anytime soon.

The come a time were this ****ing religion needs to pay for it's crime. Christianity change with the times, and till this day were still crucifying Christians for what the religion did in the pass, but when it comes to Islam, were being racist, phobic because we call it what it is.

I say **** that. You kill innocent in the name of you're God, and when the working people rise up, then we have these sheep defending them.
Well said

I agree that the people who kill innocent people need to be punished and brought to justice, however I don't think we should target those that nominally have the "same" religion, but don't perpetrate or espouse this violence. Surely you agree that you want the actual assholes to pay, not innocent bystanders?

Originally posted by Stigma
Well said

****ing pisses me off man. Sometimes i look in the mirror and ask myself why the **** do i fight for the freedom of these useless sheep.

Maybe you should change jobs.

Originally posted by Robtard
/history

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

Lol

Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe you should change jobs.

Funny, because if it wasn't for people like me, you wouldn't have any rights to say the things you say.

I may hate it sometimes because of the sheep mentality, but i do know the little i've done is for the better of those that desires freedom.

Originally posted by jaden101
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

Lol
Did this happen in the 21st century?

Originally posted by SquallX
Funny, because if it wasn't for people like me, you wouldn't have any rights to say the things you say.

I may hate it sometimes because of the sheep mentality, but i do know the little i've done is for the better of those that desires freedom.


"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." -- president Reagan


BTW you get a free pass from KMC not to keep Bardock safe. He will manage on his own with the coming radical Muslim invasion of Germany

Originally posted by Stigma

Some polls done in Muslism countries in the video you supposedly watched explicitly state that one of the questions was "what do you think about honor killings of women" and majority of Muslims are fine with that. Same with similar issues. You should probably post those polls then.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You should probably post those polls then. Or you should not be lazy and check the link to the video on that I already posted.

If you want to dispute the sources, take it up with Ben Shapiro

EDIT: I also posted a link on British Muslims.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Did this happen in the 21st century?

The argument being made was that Germany invented the concentration camp.

Originally posted by Stigma
Or you should not be lazy and check the link to the video on that I already posted.

If you want to dispute the sources, take it up with Ben Shapiro

EDIT: I also posted a link on British Muslims. I don't give a shit about some retard on youtube's thoughts, only the hard data.

Your British Muslim linked only showed that Muslims are mostly intolerant of homosexuals.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't give a shit about some retard on youtube's thoughts, only the hard data.

Your British Muslim linked only showed that Muslims are mostly intolerant of homosexuals.
He's citing the hard data, you knucklehead.

Yeah, I guess it's not a big deal for you that the majority of British Muslims want homosexuality to be banned and nearly half of them thinks homosexuals should not teach in schools as well as that sizeable portion of those Muslisms think ISIS is alright. Sounds pretty non-radical to me too

Originally posted by jaden101
The argument being made was that Germany invented the concentration camp.
Ooohh, my bad.

SMH

ORLANDO MOSQUE TIED TO CASE HILLARY'S STATE DEPT SCRUBBED

http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/orlando-mosque-tied-to-case-hillarys-state-dept-scrubbed/

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
SMH

ORLANDO MOSQUE TIED TO CASE HILLARY'S STATE DEPT SCRUBBED

http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/orlando-mosque-tied-to-case-hillarys-state-dept-scrubbed/

That's ****ing sad.

Im convinced the traitors in Washington at the point are in full steam in planning the demise of America.

This has got to stop.

Originally posted by SquallX
That's ****ing sad.



"And the beat goes on. Nothing will change. Nothing. Hillary and Obamas followers will justify this somehow if it's even reported in the mainstream. Those two could be on live tv setting fire to preschools and the left would be fine.'

I've always wondered why there is such a divide between conservatives and liberals regarding the solution to terrorism in your country. Both sides hate it. Both sides want to stop it. Both sides have solutions that make sense to me. Either sides' solutions don't seem mutually exclusive to me. But a middle ground win-win solution seems impossible.

Assault rifles and guns in general are dangerous and screening should be made stricter.

And yes, if terrorists can't get their hands on guns, they would likely use an alternative weapon (such as bombs). But taking away one preferred option for mass killing from them isn't a bad idea.

Individuals with ties to terrorism (of any ideology) or have expressed terrorist beliefs SHOULD be monitored extensively or even straight up deported (if they are not naturally born americans) and FFS should be completely denied legal access to guns. I understand profiling is racist and unfair but if it works, then it should be used. The lives of the few outweigh the sensitivities of the many.

And I always wondered where the "the Muslims will revolt" mentality is coming from. Hypothetically, if you're gay and your country decided to get rid of/put pressure against the ppl that have links to a terror group that guns down innocent ppl to push for gay rights, would you revolt? I wouldn't if they did that against a Catholic group, I'd actually cheer the government on. Moderate Muslims are the same (or at least the ones I've met) and would understand such precautions. It's the radical ones that would likely go nuts. But they already hate you anyway. Frankly, this "logic" actually completely dehumanizes moderate Muslims as it assumes that they are not persons who can take responsibility for their own thoughts and actions.

I mean both arguments from either side make sense but why is it impossible for ideas from both sides to be used? Again, they seem like they are not mutually exclusive to me.

I guess that is the problem when there is an ideological split. But it seems like such a waste.

Liberals do not hate terorrism. They blamed it on the gun, not the person or the religion. Did you see any liberal outrage here about the terrorist attacks?

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Sad news. Round up all these Muslims and put them in concentration camps. Should take care of a lot of the problems.
Calm down Hitler.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Sad news. Round up all these Muslims and put them in concentration camps. Should take care of a lot of the problems. It's pretty wild how bold you are making statements like that

You don't actually care about human beings. You cannot AND say this

Originally posted by psycho gundam
It's pretty wild how bold you are making statements like that

You don't actually care about human beings. You cannot AND say this

Prove you care about anyone but yourself.

No, I got a huge folder from 4chan making fun of liberal logic. Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Did you draw that yourself? It's good. And really clever. I especially like how the racist guy isn't the fat one.

https://s32.postimg.org/3odxbfur5/13442164_994131297361726_607551649695052646_n.jpg

....

Instead of calling it radical islam, or islamophobia we should call it islamofacism or islamonazis. Because currently there is no other form of government that closely resembles nazis and fascism as Islamic governance.

Oh wow, it really is a term. I did not even know this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism


So lets just call it what it is, Islamofascism

Originally posted by psycho gundam
It's pretty wild how bold you are making statements like that

You don't actually care about human beings. You cannot AND say this

Relax guys, I was only trolling.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
It's pretty wild how bold you are making statements like that

You don't actually care about human beings. You cannot AND say this

Prove you care about anyone but yourself.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
https://s32.postimg.org/3odxbfur5/13442164_994131297361726_607551649695052646_n.jpg

Plus when it comes to guns..I wonder how many guns give people cancer every year?

I mean we live in a country where we sell a product with a warning label of "this will potentially kill you" and it's not like it's on a can of poison or something, it's on items MEANT to be consumed, meant to be used in the exact way in which they cause harm. These are also addictive and for a long time were seen as a "cool" status symbol by teens.

I mean when we figured out how toxic stuff like asbestos was we actively went out of our way to not use it and to remove it in places where it already was.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
It's pretty wild how bold you are making statements like that

You don't actually care about human beings. You cannot AND say this

You have a strange misguided view of how complex people are. Of course you can say those things and care about human beings. Perhaps you don't care about ALL human beings, but it's not like you lack the ability to care at all.

Would you say the nazi's cared about nobody? Except they did: other nazi's. There were also some non-nazi's they were indifferent to, kinda.

I'm not condoning it, but you can actually be a super racist ass hole while still not being 100% emotionless.

Someone was shot in Chicago every 150 minutes during the first five months of 2016. Toughest gun laws in the nation, none of which where from assault rifles.

Originally posted by Surtur
You have a strange misguided view of how complex people are. Of course you can say those things and care about human beings. Perhaps you don't care about ALL human beings, but it's not like you lack the ability to care at all.

Would you say the nazi's cared about nobody? Except they did: other nazi's. There were also some non-nazi's they were indifferent to, kinda.

I'm not condoning it, but you can actually be a super racist ass hole while still not being 100% emotionless. I'm actually shocked you posted this, not only because you're trying to apologize for someone else's poisonous thinking with a Nazi reference with a positive message at the end(?) but also for not seeing what I was a responding to and not understanding the nuance as far as to confront me for defending life....

This place I tell ya

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Instead of calling it radical islam, or islamophobia we should call it islamofacism or islamonazis. Because currently there is no other form of government that closely resembles nazis and fascism as Islamic governance.

North Korea.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I'm actually shocked you posted this, not only because you're trying to apologize for someone else's poisonous thinking with a Nazi reference with a positive message at the end(?) but also for not seeing what I was a responding to and not understanding the nuance as far as to confront me for defending life....

This place I tell ya

I wasn't trying to apologize for anything dude. Let me try to sum up what I was saying: having a really f*cking shitty belief doesn't mean one is 100% devoid of human emotion. That is all I meant.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
North Korea.

North Korea does not throw homosexuals off buildings.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I've always wondered why there is such a divide between conservatives and liberals regarding the solution to terrorism in your country. Both sides hate it. Both sides want to stop it. Both sides have solutions that make sense to me. Either sides' solutions don't seem mutually exclusive to me. But a middle ground win-win solution seems impossible.

Assault rifles and guns in general are dangerous and screening should be made stricter.

And yes, if terrorists can't get their hands on guns, they would likely use an alternative weapon (such as bombs). But taking away one preferred option for mass killing from them isn't a bad idea.

Individuals with ties to terrorism (of any ideology) or have expressed terrorist beliefs SHOULD be monitored extensively or even straight up deported (if they are not naturally born americans) and FFS should be completely denied legal access to guns. I understand profiling is racist and unfair but if it works, then it should be used. The lives of the few outweigh the sensitivities of the many.

And I always wondered where the "the Muslims will revolt" mentality is coming from. Hypothetically, if you're gay and your country decided to get rid of/put pressure against the ppl that have links to a terror group that guns down innocent ppl to push for gay rights, would you revolt? I wouldn't if they did that against a Catholic group, I'd actually cheer the government on. Moderate Muslims are the same (or at least the ones I've met) and would understand such precautions. It's the radical ones that would likely go nuts. But they already hate you anyway. Frankly, this "logic" actually completely dehumanizes moderate Muslims as it assumes that they are not persons who can take responsibility for their own thoughts and actions.

I mean both arguments from either side make sense but why is it impossible for ideas from both sides to be used? Again, they seem like they are not mutually exclusive to me.

I guess that is the problem when there is an ideological split. But it seems like such a waste.

Do people on the left actually disagree with monitoring people with ties to terrorism extensively? As far as I can tell Obama has himself talked in favour of this. I think the disagreement comes when some on the right propose that this kind of monitoring or other sanctions should be extended to all Muslims (foreign and even US citizens)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do people on the left actually disagree with monitoring people with ties to terrorism extensively? As far as I can tell Obama has himself talked in favour of this. I think the disagreement comes when some on the right propose that this kind of monitoring or other sanctions should be extended to all Muslims (foreign and even US citizens)

I actually typed more than just "monitoring". Other parts are important, too, as I was making a whole point. Not tidbits of one.

Yes, I did admittedly shorten it. But the monitoring I know Obama is in favor, and I definitely know that he is in favor of denying those people (like people who are on the no-fly list) access to guns. I don't know his stance about deporting them. But two out of three isn't bad, so I'm not really sure you have captured the real disagreements of the left and the right in these aspects. But maybe you can elaborate?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I did admittedly shorten it. But the monitoring I know Obama is in favor, and I definitely know that he is in favor of denying those people (like people who are on the no-fly list) access to guns. I don't know his stance about deporting them. But two out of three isn't bad, so I'm not really sure you have captured the real disagreements of the left and the right in these aspects. But maybe you can elaborate?

Monitoring would be downright impossible without making the process more efficient.

Things such as profiling might be one of the few measures to make it more efficient. Sad to say, I hate profiling, personally, as I have been a victim of it a few times in US airports. But whatever works to keep the people safe, I'm willing to do my part.

Also, forgot to mention the possibility of boots on the ground eventually when it comes to dealing with ISIS.

Profiling is pretty unAmerican. With that said, Ben Gurion Airport is the safest place on earth precisely because Israelis profile.

Apparently I look like a drug dealer :-p gotten the "dog" treatment and had all of my stuff sniffed on and picked thru several times.

Worst experience would have to be my uncle, tho. US airforce retired. Looks like a terrorist because of his beard. Got the "glove" treatment. He still gets pretty peevsed whenever we remind him of it. :-p