The Omni King

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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The latest Omni King info we've gotten implies he can indeed erase all of existence at his very whim. This begs the question: what are the limits to his power? Do you believe he has any? Will there be a define-able limit shown later on?

Discuss.

NewGuy01
He's omnipotent until proven otherwise. uhuh

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Do you really think so? Give one of your infamous scholarly answers. smile

NewGuy01
Here's the scholarly answer: We don't f*cking know, or have any way of knowing.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Fine. I'll be patient.

SSJGGogeta
He's omnipotent, until proven otherwise, like Newguy said. But given DB's history, I'm sure he'll become an attainable level later on. Maybe even get surpassed, eventually.

Until then though, he's essentially DBS's god.

Flower23
I think that he is probably not omnipotent or is omnipotent because if you able to erase people and can destroy solar systems and destroy universes he could but goku black said that he killed all the gods in the future so probably the omni king too cause he is a god so he probably not but he probably is omnipotent until they proven he is not.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Flower23
I think that he is probably not omnipotent or is omnipotent because if you able to erase people and can destroy solar systems and destroy universes he could but goku black said that he killed all the gods in the future so probably the omni king too cause he is a god so he probably not but he probably is omnipotent until they proven he is not.

I'm not sure if it was a translation thing. But I'm sure he only killed the gods of universe 7. So probably supreme Kai and by extension Beerus.

NewGuy01
No, it's been confirmed several times that he killed every GoD of every universe by assassinating the Supreme Kais before any of the big players could mobilize against him. The angels de-activate without a GoD to attend to, and Zeno/Grand Priest just don't give a f-uck.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Omni King isn't anywhere near omnipotent, obviously.

That said, flower, how the **** could Black have killed Omni King when Omni King was the one who erased him? erm

Kento
Originally posted by Flower23
I think that he is probably not omnipotent or is omnipotent because if you able to erase people and can destroy solar systems and destroy universes he could but goku black said that he killed all the gods in the future so probably the omni king too cause he is a god so he probably not but he probably is omnipotent until they proven he is not. Zamasu never killed the omni king... Hence why he showed up when Goku pressed the button. It was the future/that timelines omni king. So obviously Black either didn't know such a being existed or is just dumb when he said he killed all the gods.

carver9
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Omni King isn't anywhere near omnipotent, obviously.

That said, flower, how the **** could Black have killed Omni King when Omni King was the one who erased him? erm

I was just about to say this until I read through the thread. Omni King was still alive as shown per killing everything in the Universes...including black.

NemeBro
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
He's omnipotent, until proven otherwise, like Newguy said. He couldn't stop the multiversal Zamasu without destroying that entire timeline because Zamasu had merged with reality. This is a limit to his power, therefore he isn't omnipotent.

Whew that was hard.

Anyway, omnipotent is a buzzword that means little outside the context of the setting said omnipotent is from. Eru Illuvitar from Lord of the Rings is omnipotent in that setting, yet he would be unceremoniously killed by any random ****ass multiversal reality warper from a comic book like Franklin Richards or Mad Jim Jaspers. Likely also the Omni-King, incidentally. Zeno is no different. At the moment his usable power in versus threads is frankly hamstrung by how relatively puny the DBS multiverse is compared to the enormous infinite multiverses in DC, Marvel, or some other ****ass multiverse no one gives a shit about.

Zeno in particular frankly hasn't demonstrated any traits of an omnipotent. He's able to erase all of existence, sure, but could he fundamentally change it on a whim? Could he make 2+2=fish like a reality warper or God could? We don't really know IIRC.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Zeno destroying the whole timeline isn't indicative of him being unable to kill Zamasu without doing so. We know Zeno destroyed 6 universes because he was slightly annoyed. Suffice it to say, Zamasu was probably more than slightly annoying.

What proves Zeno's non-omnipotence is his non-omniscience and non-transcendence over time. thumb up

The highest Zeno can possibly be put is IG Thanos level, imo (and even that could be argued as a stretch.) he shits on Franklin Richards, tho.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by NemeBro
Could he make 2+2=fish like a reality warper or God could?

I can make 2+2=fish. I am a reality warper..

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
I can make 2+2=fish. I am a reality warper..



Sorry it doesn't work.

Inedian
Ah.... Omni King could erase Black in any way he wanted. It was obvious when Black said he destroyed all gods that Omni King wasn't among them... we all knew that.

Omni King is something more than just those gods and angels. He represents more.

His limitation shown for now was only that there isn't one Omni King.

Of course he isn't omnipotent.

cdtm
I think Zeno's a one trick pony. He couldn't even escape the void on his own, odds are Goku could beat him just by teleporting him to King Kai's world or something.

Assuming his durability isn't so weak he can't just be one punch KO'd. Just because he can bust universes doesn't make him physically strong, any more then Franklin Richards is.

NewGuy01
Goku could BFR him, but considering how Zeno can wipe the entire multiverse, there really isn't a place for Goku to escape to. He teleports him to King Kai's, then he just blows up the multiverse.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I like cdtm's ideas regarding the Omni-King. Not the idea that the Omni-King has no durability, (gods wouldn't fear him and his power if he could be oneshotted in a single punch/ki blast,) but the idea that the Omni-King is a complete retard and could be easily convinced/manipulated. I'd much rather be the Daishinkan than Zen-Oh.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I agree with cdtm's ideas regarding the Omni-King. Not the idea that the Omni-King has no durability, (gods wouldn't fear him and his power if he could be oneshotted in a single punch/ki blast,) but the idea that the Omni-King is a complete retard and could be easily convinced/manipulated. I'd much rather be the Daishinkan than Zen-Oh, even if the latter can casually erase the former.

NewGuy01
I actually do in a sense agree with CDTM--the source of Zeno's power is different from the others in Z, he's clearly not a martial artist nor a physical powerhouse; his arm got tired after lightly swinging a rubber mallet.

That said, I don't think anyone in Z could actually hurt him either.

Inedian
He is probably physically strong as he wants to be.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I actually do in a sense agree with CDTM--the source of Zeno's power is different from the others in Z, he's clearly not a martial artist nor a physical powerhouse; his arm got tired after lightly swinging a rubber mallet.

That said, I don't think anyone in Z could actually hurt him either.

Exactly. Though Supreme Kai is ignorant, he does state that no one is capable of defeating the Omni King, and Beerus and all the other gods wouldn't fear Omni King if they could just kill him in a single punch. Omni King's guards, who would know Zen-Ohs capabilities the most, were in utter fear when Zen-Oh threatened to destroy them, (which, to me, is something they wouldnt fear if they thought they could get the jump on him and destroy him first).

That said, Zen-Oh is a complete retard who can be easily swayed and has no knowledge of the multiverse he rules over. If anything, Daishinkan is the actual ruler of the Multiverse, as he advises the Omni-King and presumably keeps him from doing something too stupid.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Inedian
He is probably physically strong as he wants to be.

True. Remember he was flicking around planets with literally no effort for fun, and flipped the game board, (which presumably destroyed all the planets and galaxies on the board). Zen-Oh is at the level where physical strength doesn't even matter. Like, nobody cares about TOAA's physical strength, or Molecule Man's, or The Presence's, etc.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Triiiiiiiiiple post.

Couldn't someone make the case that Zen-Oh is a gag character in that regard, (he's a nigh omnipotent child who doesn't even know who the Kaioshin are, doesn't know what's going on without Daishinkan's clairvoyance, gets tired after swinging a rubber mallet, etc)?

NewGuy01
not really, no

cdtm
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Triiiiiiiiiple post.

Couldn't someone make the case that Zen-Oh is a gag character in that regard, (he's a nigh omnipotent child who doesn't even know who the Kaioshin are, doesn't know what's going on without Daishinkan's clairvoyance, gets tired after swinging a rubber mallet, etc)?

Absolutely, yes.

You can make that case about DBS as a whole, in fact. Arguing for DBS characters is like arguing for Lobo, he has feats that crap all over high herald, but his power level is all over the place and so much of his stories are tongue in cheek toon force episodes (Arale, hello)

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