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Per the rules, both are fighting to "full capacity."

So there's prep and BFR allowed, then?
I have to think Hal'd be smart enough to get the GL Corps to help him BFR Supes, who'd spend his time less wisely.

Hope that fits with your agenda for this thread.

Remember when PC Superman referred to Hal's GL ring as a "tiny trinket" ? Good times.

Anyways, why does fighting at full capacity equate to prep? It just means they won't hold back, which means nobody can say Superman won't use his speed here.

Hal Krono bust Superman chest open.

Superman wins.

Batman has stolen Hal's ring before, before he could react to it.

Superman steals his ring.

That's Batman, not Superman. Plus, Hal would have shields up.

Superman can smash any field Hal can bring up.

Based on?

Him smashing all the shields Hal has conjured against him.

Originally posted by carver9
That's Batman, not Superman. Plus, Hal would have shields up.

Superman is a tiny bit faster than Batman.

I relent, and will begrudgingly BZ you on this point. Sigh.

Superman kills Hal, Hal comes back as a Black Lantern and summons Nekron who, along with the Black Lantern Central Power Battery and Black Hand, bursts out of Superman's chest.

Hal wins.

Fatality.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Him smashing all the shields Hal has conjured against him.



So he smashed his best shields?

So, Superman fans who have been given Hal reach arounds in recent threads are now lowballing Hal?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman is a tiny bit faster than Batman.

I relent, and will begrudgingly BZ you on this point. Sigh.

Did it happen during combat? Scans if it did.

Originally posted by carver9
That's Batman, not Superman. Plus, Hal would have shields up.

Why would he have any shields up? He'd just have to rely on autoshields. Superman can blitz Hal easily before he reacts. He won't have time to create any kind of construct.

Hal creates Kryptonite on the battle field.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3645752-3338068-2467491798-33380.jpg

Then we have this amazing saying by Superman...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664171-8515639029-Supes.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664180-6579011429-Tomvs.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Did it happen during combat? Scans if it did.

Batman's speed vs Superman's speed? Or.....?

Being in combat vs chatting illustrates this perfectly.

If you're chatting, and not expecting it, then you can be outreacted.

You think someone could chat to Barry and pick his pocket? No. Why? Because he has superspeed. Even if it was his mum, the last person on Earths he would ever expect to steal from him....he would still be able to react to it.

My point being, being pickpocketed in the middle of a friendly chat shows that your reactions aren't magnitudes higher than a peak human Batman. If it WAS, no amount of unexpectedness would help the thief.

Why is Superman allowing Hal Jordan the time needed to create kryptonite? At this point it's like people think he has a death wish.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why would he have any shields up? He'd just have to rely on autoshields. Superman can blitz Hal easily before he reacts. He won't have time to create any kind of construct.

GL'S have super speed as well. To the point that one was quicker on the draw than Superman...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107456/4476480-0805329501-20974.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman's speed vs Superman's speed? Or.....?

Being in combat vs chatting illustrates this perfectly.

If you're chatting, and not expecting it, then you can be outreacted.

You think someone could chat to Barry and pick his pocket? No. Why? Because he has superspeed. Even if it was his mum, the last person on Earths he would ever expect to steal from him....he would still be able to react to it.

My point being, being pickpocketed in the middle of a friendly chat shows that your reactions aren't magnitudes higher than a peak human Batman. If it WAS, no amount of unexpectedness would help the thief.

Lol...Batman recently punched a being Flash was unable to hit. Like I said, was a GL expecting it or not. Also, Deathstroke, Nightwing and Batman has beat Flash in combat scenarios where he was expecting it.

Originally posted by carver9
GL'S have super speed as well. To the point that one was quicker on the draw than Superman...

Okay so wait GL's now have super speed on such a level they can out react Superman? I am not denying your feat since yep it's quite clear in the scan Superman says he is faster on the draw. So I don't know what to make of that then, Superman has a plethora of reaction feats and yet you rarely hear about unamped GL's with spectacular reaction time.

On the other hand my memory is fuzzy, but I do remember that fight and I believe Superman proceeds to smash through the construct John creates right?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Batman recently punched a being Flash was unable to hit. Like I said, was a GL expecting it or not. Also, Deathstroke, Nightwing and Batman has beat Flash in combat scenarios where he was expecting it.

Dude why are you mentioning these things? I can't tell if you're saying we should take things like Batman being able to tag someone the Flash can't seriously or not.

Originally posted by carver9
Hal creates Kryptonite on the battle field.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3645752-3338068-2467491798-33380.jpg

Then we have this amazing saying by Superman...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664171-8515639029-Supes.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664180-6579011429-Tomvs.jpg

O.

M.

G.

Carver, you are reaching new heights (depths?) of idiocy.

I am incredibly disappointed. And upset. How did the guy who beat Scooby with such a fantastic BZ, end up like this? It's almost as if....you were two different people.

First of all, read your own scan. That's not Hal. Who is in this thread. That is Kyle. Who is not in this thread. They even call him Kyle.

Martian Manhunter is not here to transmit the formulae into Kyle's head, who isn't even here.

That is also DCU, not DCnU. You may not have seen any of this, but a few years ago, DC had a soft reboot of sorts. DCnU, brah.

Then you posted...what, Hal's plans? So much wrong with that, I don't know where to start.

I was only posting my Batman 'feat' as a tongue in cheek post, lol. But having seen your post....you have convinced me there is no way I can possibly be on the same side as you in this debate, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
GL'S have super speed as well. To the point that one was quicker on the draw than Superman...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107456/4476480-0805329501-20974.jpg

He hesitates, so they all get in position - then effs them up.

Also, that's John Stewart. Why do you keep crossing feats? Next, you're going to post Mogo feats for Hal?

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Superman kills Hal, Hal comes back as a Black Lantern and summons Nekron who, along with the Black Lantern Central Power Battery and Black Hand, bursts out of Superman's chest.

Hal wins.

Fatality.

That's so cheesy it's awesome.

Originally posted by carver9
Hal creates Kryptonite on the battle field.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3645752-3338068-2467491798-33380.jpg

Then we have this amazing saying by Superman...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664171-8515639029-Supes.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664180-6579011429-Tomvs.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
GL'S have super speed as well. To the point that one was quicker on the draw than Superman...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107456/4476480-0805329501-20974.jpg

You're ****ing terrible at this, even for your standards.

I get the impression that since Hal Jordan is usually seen as more skilled than John..that if John can do it Hal could too.

Which to be fair I actually wouldn't have a problem with. But since Superman does end up punching through the construct to me that shows that while they might be able to create a construct on the fly..they can't bust out their strongest shield in a split second.

So I still say Superman wins via blitz and any construct Hal potentially creates in the split second he has to react will not be strong enough to protect him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He hesitates, so they all get in position - then effs them up.

Also, that's John Stewart. Why do you keep crossing feats? Next, you're going to post Mogo feats for Hal?

Carter is always about sharing feats, until it hurts his case. Then we don't share feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
O.

M.

G.

Carver, you are reaching new heights (depths?) of idiocy.

I am incredibly disappointed. And upset. How did the guy who beat Scooby with such a fantastic BZ, end up like this? It's almost as if....you were two different people.

First of all, read your own scan. That's not Hal. Who is in this thread. That is Kyle. Who is not in this thread. They even call him Kyle.

Martian Manhunter is not here to transmit the formulae into Kyle's head, who isn't even here.

That is also DCU, not DCnU. You may not have seen any of this, but a few years ago, DC had a soft reboot of sorts. DCnU, brah.

Then you posted...what, Hal's plans? So much wrong with that, I don't know where to start.

I was only posting my Batman 'feat' as a tongue in cheek post, lol. But having seen your post....you have convinced me there is no way I can possibly be on the same side as you in this debate, lol.

I posted scans of different Lanterns because Hal is the best of the crop. He can easily replicate those showings.

So again, why did you bring up Batman...a being who took out the entirety of the JLA (minus Superman of course). A being who survived an onslaught from Superman. Also, GL fts carried over. They didn't go through the reboot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He hesitates, so they all get in position - then effs them up.

Also, that's John Stewart. Why do you keep crossing feats? Next, you're going to post Mogo feats for Hal?

Crossing fts? The Lanterns didn't go through the reboot. We are done.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so wait GL's now have super speed on such a level they can out react Superman? I am not denying your feat since yep it's quite clear in the scan Superman says he is faster on the draw. So I don't know what to make of that then, Superman has a plethora of reaction feats and yet you rarely hear about unamped GL's with spectacular reaction time.

On the other hand my memory is fuzzy, but I do remember that fight and I believe Superman proceeds to smash through the construct John creates right?



Dude why are you mentioning these things? I can't tell if you're saying we should take things like Batman being able to tag someone the Flash can't seriously or not.

During that scene he did. Then we have them fighting without receiving any issues of not being able to tag Superman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664187-5596457067-HalSu.jpg

Yes, he did break through John shield with a single punch.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He hesitates, so they all get in position - then effs them up.

Also, that's John Stewart. Why do you keep crossing feats? Next, you're going to post Mogo feats for Hal?


Nother to defend Carver, but it's obvious he's showing GL feats of lesser lanterns and assuming Hal could accomplish all of these feats.

i can't wait til abhi gets here.....

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Nother to defend Carver, but it's obvious he's showing GL feats of lesser lanterns and assuming Hal could accomplish all of these feats.



Someone with common sense.

So two pages in and no mention of a Krona busting punch? I guess even GL fans puss up in the face of Superbikinis.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So two pages in and no mention of a Krona busting punch? I guess even GL fans puss up in the face of Superbikinis.

I brought it up on the first page and Dark hater saint then brings up Batman taking Lantern ring in a non combat situation.

Hal wins.

...But only because of that "amazing saying" from Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Crossing fts? The Lanterns didn't go through the reboot. We are done.

Martian Manhunter did go through the reboot, though. Scans of DCnU J'onn doing the same as he did with Kyle? And now, he isn't even on the field.

You bring up the fact that Hal is the most skilled and can replicate ALL Lantern feats.

Post scans of Hal knowing the exact chemical composition of DCnU Kryptonite, please. I will wait.

You then showed DCU Hal tagging DCU Superman, then say 'oh, it's OK, DCU GL = DCnU GL'.

DCU Superman = DCnU Superman, then?

You don't even know how to argue, or what you're actually saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hal wins.

...But only because of that "amazing saying" from Superman.

Hal also says Batman is the most dangerous out of everyone in the JLA, WW, Superman, Flash et al included.

Originally posted by carver9
So he smashed his best shields?
Yes. And weren't you the one who was trumping how no lantern can beat Superman?

Superman is flat out more powerful than even Krona's Gauntlet wearing Hal who is a dozen times more powerful than standard Hal. +Shazam, Frankenstein, Flash and a whole deck of them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Martian Manhunter did go through the reboot, though. Scans of DCnU J'onn doing the same as he did with Kyle? And now, he isn't even on the field.

You bring up the fact that Hal is the most skilled and can replicate ALL Lantern feats.

Post scans of Hal knowing the exact chemical composition of DCnU Kryptonite, please. I will wait.

You then showed DCU Hal tagging DCU Superman, then say 'oh, it's OK, DCU GL = DCnU GL'.

DCU Superman = DCnU Superman, then?

You don't even know how to argue, or what you're actually saying.

I can tell that you're still sensitive about the BZ. Can we discuss this is private via PM so that no one can judge our topic. Let's discuss this like grown men because the privacy of PMS, I know you will keep all a secrete like you've always doooonnn.... oh wait, I'm getting you confused with someone else.

Batman vs Hal. Make the thread.

Originally posted by carver9
I can tell that you're still sensitive about the BZ. Can we discuss this is private via PM so that no one can judge our topic. Let's discuss this like grown men because the privacy of PMS, I know you will keep all a secrete like you've always doooonnn.... oh wait, I'm getting you confused with someone else.

Batman vs Hal. Make the thread.

So, no scans of DCnU J'onn implanting the formulae into HAl's mind?

Does Hal know the formulae for DCnU Kryptonite, then? Remember, Kryptonite from alt. Earths don't affect Supermen.

Because if so, then am sure, Hal could take this. But as it stands, you posted a feat of DCU MM having to tell Kyle how to make DCU Kryptonite, then you are crossing feats and saying Hal can also do it, and replicate his other DCU showings.

Against DCnU Superman.

Great argument.

Edit: I see you're sore about others being able to see and judge what you try and say in secret.

Carvy fails hard... No surprise

Originally posted by carver9
Hal creates Kryptonite on the battle field.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3645752-3338068-2467491798-33380.jpg


That's not even Hal. And the whole point of Kryptonite was that nobody could take him on his own. Not even the combined JLA.



We also have this.

http://i.imgur.com/11CtHqX.jpg

What to believe man?



Oh that? Where Hal practically soiled himself while thinking of taking on Superman?

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14808068_db444e7b.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14808069_0c899a70.jpg

"The things he is capable of, he is like a God. I can do a lot with the ring but he is something else entirely."

Originally posted by carver9
During that scene he did. Then we have them fighting without receiving any issues of not being able to tag Superman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664187-5596457067-HalSu.jpg

Yes, he did break through John shield with a single punch.
Funny thing, Hal was bloodlusted there and couldn't even scratch Superman there.

And John has already beaten Hal. Clean.

Yes, it happened.

Hal wins.

And an amazing fight between Hal and John. Never seen this posted before here.

http://i.imgur.com/SoIhzHst.jpg http://i.imgur.com/86esb4qt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UgB1VLst.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Hl6qDRJt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bp5KRrdt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gjvereht.jpg http://i.imgur.com/b9qdgZbt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xckOkGqt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TZeeXR1t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/75B0jdDt.jpg

Continued.

http://i.imgur.com/ly27ngWt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/dRcLl40t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ol1DWiZt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/eJXOd2st.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
i can't wait til abhi gets here.....
Yeah, its too easy at this point.

Carver is like the see-saw on a crack. He will support anyone against Superman, that's only constant with him.

Originally posted by carver9
During that scene he did. Then we have them fighting without receiving any issues of not being able to tag Superman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664187-5596457067-HalSu.jpg

Yes, he did break through John shield with a single punch.

Anybody with a half-functioning brain would know that's not Superman using his speed like he's capable of. Since you're using stuff interchangeably--

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Dark_Kara/2-GreenLantern/th_SUPERGIRL_V5_4-PG11.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Dark_Kara/2-GreenLantern/th_SUPERGIRL_V5_4-PG12.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Dark_Kara/2-GreenLantern/th_SUPERGIRL_V5_4-PG13.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Dark_Kara/2-GreenLantern/th_SUPERGIRL_V5_4-PG14.jpg

Yep, if Dark Kara can do that, Superman can easily. And while it's John, not Hal, since they're both normal humans without the Power Ring, I don't see it not being Hal being of much if any relevance, unless you can show otherwise.

Originally posted by carver9


Someone with common sense.

1: 2: So you prove you will argue against feat sharing when it suits you, but then go and use it when it suits you.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Per the rules, both are fighting to "full capacity."

If speed was equalized then I would give it to Hal. Superman is just too fast for him to lose here.

Originally posted by Surtur
Anyways, why does fighting at full capacity equate to prep? It just means they won't hold back, which means nobody can say Superman won't use his speed here.
These threads are caveated "no prep no BFR" for a reason, Surtur.
If its not taken off the table, then its on the table, which opens up the debate a whole bunch of postulating.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Martian Manhunter did go through the reboot, though. Scans of DCnU J'onn doing the same as he did with Kyle? And now, he isn't even on the field.

You bring up the fact that Hal is the most skilled and can replicate ALL Lantern feats.

Post scans of Hal knowing the exact chemical composition of DCnU Kryptonite, please. I will wait.

You then showed DCU Hal tagging DCU Superman, then say 'oh, it's OK, DCU GL = DCnU GL'.

DCU Superman = DCnU Superman, then?

You don't even know how to argue, or what you're actually saying.


Right, so you felt the need to cite a low showing for Hal. You've proven you'll bend over for Superman every time.

Originally posted by h1a8
If speed was equalized then I would give it to Hal. Superman is just too fast for him to lose here.

lmao, no you wouldn't.

Ryan Reynolds.

Originally posted by carver9
During that scene he did. Then we have them fighting without receiving any issues of not being able to tag Superman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101577/3664187-5596457067-HalSu.jpg

Yes, he did break through John shield with a single punch.

Wow, Superman got bitched.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We also have this.

http://i.imgur.com/11CtHqX.jpg



This is f*cking awesome. Especially because he didn't need to damage the window by exiting, but he still chose to do it anyways.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not even Hal. And the whole point of Kryptonite was that nobody could take him on his own. Not even the combined JLA.



We also have this.

http://i.imgur.com/11CtHqX.jpg

What to believe man?



Oh that? Where Hal practically soiled himself while thinking of taking on Superman?

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14808068_db444e7b.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14808069_0c899a70.jpg

"The things he is capable of, he is like a God. I can do a lot with the ring but he is something else entirely."






Is that like "He's the toughest opponent I ever faced," dismissed as hyperbole?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Funny thing, Hal was bloodlusted there and couldn't even scratch Superman there.

And John has already beaten Hal. Clean.

Yes, it happened.



But Hal can beat Surfer, correct?

When wanking and lowballing collide.

Originally posted by Surtur
This is f*cking awesome. Especially because he didn't need to damage the window by exiting, but he still chose to do it anyways.

. Good observation. Obviously a doppelganger.

He sticks his finger right in Hal's face because he knows he could make Hal his b*tch.

He could literally chop off that finger and stab Hal to death with it.

Originally posted by Surtur
He sticks his finger right in Hal's butt because he knows he could make Hal lick it clean.

Fixed.

You need to pay more attention to the comics you read, bro.

That is true, I misread that part.

He licks the finger clean and then Hal makes a crude comment along the lines of "Lois tastes real good" and then Superman flies back in time and kills his entire family.

Doesn't seems to be many actual votes.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
But Hal can beat Surfer, correct?

When wanking and lowballing collide.
Right. Surfer is below Superman in power and formidability.

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://s32.postimg.org/htnqrr8lh/1251669.jpg

Logan is still dead.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Logan is still dead.

https://s32.postimg.org/htnqrr8lh/1251669.jpg

Aye.

But I don't need him to start the Operation: Abhimeme haw-som

Originally posted by carver9
GL'S have super speed as well. To the point that one was quicker on the draw than Superman...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107456/4476480-0805329501-20974.jpg

Carter, you ****ing dumbass. Superman was focused on Wally, John's construct comes from behind, before it finishes, Supes notices it, and LETS it finish as he lets EVERYBODY, including fickin' Black Canary, prepare. Then, he smashes it. Even if Hal were faster, totally unapplicable in a one-on-one fight starts with them facing each other from a half KM away. It's a shit argument.

Come at me!!

While Hal has some big feats, and GLs have done well against Superman before, on the whole Superman dominates.
Super speed is rarely a factor in Superman's fights. However, over time a motif of Superman stealing the ring at super speed has developed. It's kind of arbitrary, but it has happened a few times. Still, on the whole, speed won't matter very much. But it doesn't need to.

Superman 8/10

Originally posted by Delta1938
Carter, you ****ing dumbass. Superman was focused on Wally, John's construct comes from behind, before it finishes, Supes notices it, and LETS it finish as he lets EVERYBODY, including fickin' Black Canary, prepare. Then, he smashes it. Even if Hal were faster, totally unapplicable in a one-on-one fight starts with them facing each other from a half KM away. It's a shit argument.

Come at me!!

"Hal is FASTER on the draw". Maybe you need to send a message to the writer commenting on those words.

Where the f*cking f*ck you see Hal, it's John... the black GL.

Black like you, carv! Something you could actually remember uhuh

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
While Hal has some big feats, and GLs have done well against Superman before, on the whole Superman dominates.
Super speed is rarely a factor in Superman's fights. However, over time a motif of Superman stealing the ring at super speed has developed. It's kind of arbitrary, but it has happened a few times. Still, on the whole, speed won't matter very much. But it doesn't need to.

Speed is the biggest factor in existence. It's equivalent to fighting someone barely moving. It's arguably the single greatest advantage ever.

Superman viewing Hal in slow motion or not moving would become an easy fight. Unless you think Superman doesn't have the ability to see Hal in super slow motion?

Originally posted by carver9
"Hal is FASTER on the draw". Maybe you need to send a message to the writer commenting on those words.

Damn Bootsie, you've always been all hiss, no scratch, but this is bad even for you. I highlight all the problems that are wrong with your example, that only someone with poor reading comprehension or extreme dishonesty would use, and you still try to defend it?

John's construct came from behind while Supes was focused on Wally and STILL it only enveloped him because Superman allowed it. Let's see how Supes and Hal compare to Professor Zoom head-on.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Speed/Miscellaneous/ProfessorZoom/th_TIME-MASTERS_VANISHING-POINT5-PG21.jpg

Hal is too slow, Superman hits Professor Zoom.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Where the f*cking f*ck you see Hal, it's John... the black GL.

Black like you, carv! Something you could actually remember uhuh

Lol...speed typing.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Damn Bootsie, you've always been all hiss, no scratch, but this is bad even for you. I highlight all the problems that are wrong with your example, that only someone with poor reading comprehension or extreme dishonesty would use, and you still try to defend it?

John's construct came from behind while Supes was focused on Wally and STILL it only enveloped him because Superman allowed it. Let's see how Supes and Hal compare to Professor Zoom head-on.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Speed/Miscellaneous/ProfessorZoom/th_TIME-MASTERS_VANISHING-POINT5-PG21.jpg

Hal is too slow, Superman hits Professor Zoom.

Superman tried to tag Flash (which means he wasn't moving slow at all) but John beat him to the punch. Seems quite obvious to me what's going on there.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman tried to tag Flash (which means he wasn't moving slow at all) but John beat him to the punch. Seems quite obvious to me what's going on there.

So the fact that even when John did that from behind while Supes was focused on Wally, Superman STILL NOTICED what John was doing BEFORE it finished, and LET it finish, somehow means his speed is worth a **** in a head on fight.

So, are you lying or just wrong?

It was planned from Superman Carter. He let them do it.

Originally posted by carver9
Nope, he isn't.

In that other topic over 2 hours ago. Carter--


CGrunP_HCDg

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed is the biggest factor in existence. It's equivalent to fighting someone barely moving. It's arguably the single greatest advantage ever.

Superman viewing Hal in slow motion or not moving would become an easy fight. Unless you think Superman doesn't have the ability to see Hal in super slow motion?

Really, it's 2016 and battleboards have been up for nearly twenty years. And some people still don't understand that comics are not realistic, and that by convention super speed rarely gets used to its full potential.
That's WHY the ring stealing thing is arbitrary--super speed suddenly gets used somewhat realistically here to affect the fight outcome, but is not usually used in many other ways. It's used to steal rings only because it seems cool, not because it makes more sense to use it that way than a hundred other ways.

GL superspeed is some inconsistent shit.

Originally posted by krisblaze
superspeed is some inconsistent shit.

Fixed that for you!

Originally posted by Delta1938
So the fact that even when John did that from behind while Supes was focused on Wally, Superman STILL NOTICED what John was doing BEFORE it finished, and LET it finish, somehow means his speed is worth a **** in a head on fight.

So, are you lying or just wrong?

Noticing someone and reacting are two different things which is the reason Superman said "quicker on the draw".

He didn't let anything finish. He let the OTHERS finish their moves and then he proceeded at breaking out of John's construct. He didn't allow John to do anything. Think you read that scene wrong buddy.

He could have easily been talking about the other Leaguers as opposed to himself.

Or are you really going to stack John Stewart's feats up against Superman's?

Originally posted by carver9
Noticing someone and reacting are two different things which is the reason Superman said "quicker on the draw".

He didn't let anything finish. He let the OTHERS finish their moves and then he proceeded at breaking out of John's construct. He didn't allow John to do anything. Think you read that scene wrong buddy.

That is an idiotic argument even coming from you. It's clear that he noticed it BEFORE John had finished, when John started it from behind against Superman focused on someone else. This is ****ing worthless in a head-on fight. I did NOT read the scene wrong. Your reading comprehension is terrible, as I've pointed-out with other examples you've argued and ran away from when you didn't have an answer.

I showed Hal being too slow for Professor Zoom but Superman wasn't, something you ignored, and it was head-on.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Speed/Miscellaneous/ProfessorZoom/th_TIME-MASTERS_VANISHING-POINT5-PG21.jpg

We've got Gor punking both John and Hal simultaneously.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Gor/MakesHimMad/th_AC873-PG03.jpg

I mean clearly the fact that he attacked from behind is irrelevant by your standards, so that shouldn't be an issue. They couldn't react in time, BOTH of them, and by your own argument this would be a cakewalk for Superman since Superman>Gor. Hell, he one-shot Gor in the following scene.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Gor/MakesHimMad/th_AC873-PG04.jpg

Or how about the fact that Doctor Alchemy controlled Barry had disarmed 400 GLs before they could react?

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Flash_II/DisarmsGLC/th_SILVER-AGE_JLofA1-PG09.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Flash_II/DisarmsGLC/th_SILVER-AGE_JLofA1-PG10.jpg

Even if Superman were only 1% as fast as Barry, he could easily disarm Hal 4 times before Hal could react, unless you can prove Hal would react significantly faster than those other GLs.

But keep clinging to your mental gymnastic to justify your out of context argument that your own scan debunks. hysterical crylaugh

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Really, it's 2016 and battleboards have been up for nearly twenty years. And some people still don't understand that comics are not realistic, and that by convention super speed rarely gets used to its full potential.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. People get that characters in comics do not always use their powers as well as they could.

For example let us say there is a comic where it's supposed to feature a fight between Superman and Hal Jordan. You aren't going to have it just be "Superman speeds over and snatches the ring before Hal can react, then easily defeats him". You need to tell a story in a comic. We don't need to tell a story here.

So we have no reason to say a character wouldn't use a certain power unless we have legitimate reasons to believe the person lacks the intellectual capacity to comprehend how useful their powers would be if used in a certain way. Superman is not stupid. Superman also knows Hal Jordan well and knows exactly what he is capable of. That knowledge combined with the fact he has no need to hold back for the sake of the plot should mean he will indeed use his speed.

It's like it's 2003 and I'm on the CBR Rumbles board.

If we rated fights your way, our hierarchy of characters would bare no relation to how they are ranked in the comics. There are a number of very good reasons why speed is not used realistically in comics very often. But at the end of the day, they don't matter. What matters is simply the fact that it isn't.

The main reason is to suit the plot. That is what it is 99% of the time. We don't go by how they are ranked in comics, that is irrelevant. We go by feats. Feats show Superman has super speed.

Nobody said there aren't good reasons speed isn't used in a comic. These comic companies are out to make money. They need stories, they need fights that go on for more than one panel. I repeat: we do not require that here.

Characters that aren't stupid routinely fight like morons in comics and you feel this is the better alternative?

As fun as debating can be, I feel you need to tether it to the actual comics. It still should be a form of literary exegesis, even if a nerdy one. For example, the Flash is capable of stealing speed. In theory, he could simply freeze Superman. EVERY TIME. Flash vs. Superman should be 10/10 for the Flash.
Is that really how we want the outcomes of our debates to be? Something that bares no relation to how the characters actually interact in the books?

Originally posted by Galan007
Hal wins.

...But only because of that "amazing saying" from Superman. The goal is to post before Carver does cause that event always turns the thread into a public flogging where all the townsfolk get a swing.

Hal winning is pointless to argue now

Originally posted by carver9
Batman vs Hal. Make the thread.

No need, it'd be spite:

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/105634/3943507-bc53+-+2.jpg

Carter quit running away!!

Originally posted by Surtur
The main reason is to suit the plot. That is what it is 99% of the time. We don't go by how they are ranked in comics, that is irrelevant. We go by feats. Feats show Superman has super speed.

Nobody said there aren't good reasons speed isn't used in a comic. These comic companies are out to make money. They need stories, they need fights that go on for more than one panel. I repeat: we do not require that here.

Characters that aren't stupid routinely fight like morons in comics and you feel this is the better alternative? You can't alter the evidence to suit your own subjective views on how these fights go. If we go down your line of debating it's just power set debating and we lose the characters themselves. There's a reason cbr crashed and burned. Whats even worse certain characters cherry picked feats were fine and dandy while others were deemed pis and ignored outright. The point is it became subjective street which is the worst manner in which anyone can debate.

Superman wins