Time for an a*sskicking.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan can't be killed unless he's decapitated.
So? Why can't he get decapitated? Most duels conclude with the loser being disarmed or otherwise put in a position where decapitation would've immediately followed if desired anyway. This mildly helps Revan's chances but hardly constitutes a turning point.
Precedent set by Darth Ant: the bar for making an assertion stems is <= Meetra's word, and it's OK to then immediately attach "vastly" to a mere suggestion of superiority, and link "command of the Force" to "raw power", because Ant said so. Never mind that Ant himself has stated his belief that Revan doesn't grow much more powerful between his versions.
On Malachor? Sure. But let's make a comparison relevant to this fight on neutral grounds - Yoda in OCW crashes two massive droid transport ships into one another, a feat far surpassing anything an unamped Nihilus has ever done.
Or that Revan has ever done, for that matter. Isn't it interesting that, despite evidently having no moral compunctions against unleashing his powers or committing genocide, Revan never pulls off any feats within the realm of Malachor Nihilus which you try to powerscale him from? Wouldn't his alleged fleet and planet busting power have come in handy? Why does he need to build a bunch of replicator droids instead?
Oh, right, because Meetra claimed in an offhand thought that his "command of the Force" was the greatest she's ever seen, and this means that his telekinesis surpasses Nihilus's.
At this point, there are so many holes in your argument that I'm probably wasting space pointing out too many of them, lol.
Funny thing that he needs a device to just replicate a small nuke, and that he never replicates this feat, ever. I seem to recall him almost dying to six mandos instead.
Nope, you've stated the reverse - that Revan doesn't grow much more powerful, meaning we just know, even if we take that opinion at face value, that Revan is above Nihilus in "mastery" by some quantity.
Palpatine, meanwhile, is by powerscaling already superior to Nihilus as of TPM, and then grows stronger over thirteen years - that's probably more significant, isn't it?
Wait, that's not it - Palpatine is actually canonically superior to Vitiate as of the prequel trilogy, given that we've established the precedent that you think Meetra's word constitutes proof, so obviously omniscient narrators, like that of the Visual Dictionary or those of the Insider statement that Yoda faced powers "channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history", are at least as valid, and given your own precedent, can be translated directly into combat ability. Vitiate is obviously drastically stronger than Revan, so Yoda by transitive property is stronger than Revan as well. Not to mention that he's also explicitly a legendary, canonically the greatest to his time, actually, lightsaber duelist in history, which would serve as a tiebreaker even if their raw power were comparable.
Well, Yoda's also been outright stated in multiple sources to be the most powerful Jedi in history, and even if you want to play the "Vitiate hadn't been created" game, Revan had, and you don't think he grows that much stronger anyway.
Funny, given that Revan, by any comparison of hype and feats, isn't "vastly" more powerful than Nihilus, which is evidenced enough by the fact that you have to guess Revan's awe inspiring power by scaling him off of Nihilus rather than directly sourcing any instances where he matches it.
Yoda, however, has certainly, you know, matched a guy more powerful than a guy who crushed Revan with a single attack, and thrown around capital ships. Sidious himself has unbalanced the Force itself, created lightning storms by his hologram's presence, and mind-wiped trillions of people. Seems like they beat Revan in feats pretty handily.
Funny; that same source also lists Obi Wan alongside Dooku, suggesting that its definition of "peer" is loose enough that it doesn't really tell us much. Forgot to include that part, didn't we?
Right, because Darth Maul is obviously relevant to this discussion.
Evidently enough, he couldn't, since he didn't create a Death Star to kill Revan.
But precedent: you think hyperbole is to be taken literally. Another shot in the foot; now I can take the description of Luke rooting himself in the Force such that the black hole at the center of the galaxy couldn't move him literally (I think it's literal anyway but thanks for rendering that discussion moot).
Kind of makes it tough for me to believe that Revan or Vitiate could do anything to him, when both have been knocked back by attacks much less potent than the gravitational field of a supermassive black hole.
Right, because obviously all of the energy of the star forge was being channeled directly to Malak, and not to powering the station or producing ships as it was meant to do or anything.
Which contradicts your own claim in previous discussions that he didn't, lol.
But nice job just vaguely declaring that he grew "far" more powerful. It still wasn't enough for him to defeat novel Vitiate, who is weaker than TOR Vitiate, who is canonically below Sidious. Sorry, not sorry; you powerscaled horribly, and instead set precedents that turn that own system against you in a pretty hilarious fashion.
Actually, it's never stated that Revan handled the entire blast, just that it backfired; you know, like how a gun can hurt you via recoil, but not actually blow your head off.
Regardless, seeing as how Yoda could bust starships that can withstand teratons of TNT equivalent, and Luke can rip the hulls off of warcruisers, crush sky-scraping fortresses and move singularities that can pull in proton torpedos capable of pulling 30,000 g accelerations and which can themselves yield megatons or gigatons, it's kind of funny that you think either would be impressed by Revan tanking a backlash of a Hiroshima-sized blast, which apparently he was unable to generate on his own power.
Funnily enough, you claim in a later post that SoR Revan is weaker than Revan Reborn. Please try to keep up, sweetie.
Vitiate is also canonically weaker than Sidious, who was statemated by Yoda. Thanks for conceding this line of arguments by canonizing Meetra Surik's opinion.
