Naga Sadow & Freedon Nadd vs. Jaina Solo & Ulic Qel-Droma

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JKBart
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JKBart
this thread is utter shit and the OP should kill himself

The Ellimist
Jaina is too much for team 1 tbh.

MythLord
LOL no, Jaina's the weak link, if anything.

carthage
Jedi win

SunRazer
Yeah, team two should win due to their greater skill in close-range combat. I can't see team 1 winning unless they keep it a ranged fight.

AncientPower
I'm finding it amusing that Ulic and Jaina can fair well against much more powerful combatants and yet this is considered a debatable battle.

Deronn_solo
Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, team two should win due to their greater skill in close-range combat. I can't see team 1 winning unless they keep it a ranged fight.

chingchangwalla
I reckon team 1 might be able to take this actually

DarthAnt66
Team 1, yeah.

carthage
Sadow isn't beating either of them for a majority, he got beaten by some no name Jedi and these two are easily among the best Jedi in history per feats/accolades. They outclass him in just about everything related to combat, his best force feats are when he's using trinkets/amped not in combat

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by carthage
he got beaten by some no name Jedi
When? erm

carthage
Barel Ovair when Sadow possessed his student

DarthAnt66
And you expect Sadow to even be remotely his full power in that feat? erm

carthage
Sadow at full power only occurs when amplified by darkside artifacts or the meditation sphere, he's shown nothing in force feats to suggest he'd beat Ulic or Jaina in feats.

While living his best feat is throwing a brick

SunRazer
Barel Ovair isn't a no-name. He was powerful enough to Conceal his dark side affiliation from the entire Order and could stand in the Council Chamber undetected. He was also clearly better than Eison Gynt, who was the most skilled Jedi in generations or something. That said, he was getting beaten by the Massassi even with Gynt's aid, while Sadow would've busted an army of the intelligent ones, which busted an army of the brutes that were beating Ovair and Gynt. That, and Ovair was driven half-insane just by being in the Tomb of Naga Sadow for an extended period of time.

Also, the nature of Sadow's possession there seems murky. Gnost-Dural describes it as Eison Gynt with "borrowed powers", which is a pretty strange description if you're taking over somebody completely.

The Ellimist
14 year old LotF Ben Skywalker also knew how to hide himself in the Force.

SunRazer
Concealing just your dark side signature and not your Force sensitivity altogether, from the entire Jedi Order, and maintaining that for a lifetime, is a much, much better showing.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Team 1.

MythLord
Sadow talking down the intelligent Massassi that just plowed through his armies is clearly him being capable of stomping their army. Because, as we all know, political power = Force power.

AncientPower
You literally didn't even read the entry properly. Even after the Massassi had cleared all the other Massassi out of the temples, they all knew that they collectively had very little chance of surviving an encounter with Naga Sadow himself. When he basically tore them a new one about how powerless they were without a Dark Lord to lead them, they outright began to worship the Sith like gods, just like the abominations had.

MythLord
It's says they "accepted the likelihood most or all would fall to their former master. ", which is them, after just plowing through hordes of army-busting battalions, speculating that most might die in an encounter with Sadow. And Naga later implies they could've killed them, but decides to mind-f#ck with them instead and convinces them to be subservient.

AncientPower
Thanks for proving my point.

He outsmarts them by asking them what they would do even if they did triumph, because it'd be pretty difficult for him to construct a vast planetary network of temples to build his power without any servants. Y'know, common sense.

MythLord
So your point is: Naga outsmarts Massassi that just plowed through an army, so that means he can beat them? Kewl.

AncientPower
Except you're ignoring that those very Massassi, due to their ambitions for power, freely went in knowing that all would likely die in the attempt.

MythLord
They accepted that it was probable that most of them might fall before Sadow, but we don't even know how. It might be due to his skill as a warrior, power in the Force, a ritual he can perform to Drain them, etc.

SunRazer
That the Codex itself (which is supposed to be an objective source) noted that the Massassi accepted that they would likely fall to Sadow makes a solid case for him. Also, I believe the attack was too immediate for Sadow to prepare an elaborate ritual, so chances are that it refers to combative prowess, whether related to his Force abilities or prowess with a blade.

MythLord
The Massassi just fought through several army-busting battalions, and then accepted the probability that if they fight Sadow they will fall. Also, there's the possibility they were referring to Naga and his forces, not just Naga himself.

AncientPower
They killed all the other Massassi, as the codex explains.

MythLord
Not when they drew the conclusion that most of them falling before Naga is a probability.

SunRazer
They said that it was a likely event.

MythLord
They accepted the likelihood of most, maybe all, of them falling before Naga(and his forces, potentially). Not only is this already only a probability, they say most as if some may survive and Naga might die, then say maybe all opening Sadow's chances to victory. And it's unclear if this is Naga Sadow himself, or Sadow and his forces. So it's not 100% certain Sadow can fight and kill them all, and is ultimately damn vague.

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