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*Team 1 is as they are just prior to TPM
*Team 2 is at their respective peaks
*If Team 1 loses, give them Darth Tenebrous for Round 2. If Team 2 loses, give them RotS Vader for Round 2.

Curious to see what some people will say, tbh.

This thread disgusts me.

Team 2.

Team 2 wins in a great fight. Tenebrous comes in and team 1 wins decisively. Vader comes in and team 2 gets the win again.

Wow. Actually a really good fight. I'll go team in a close matchup.

Not sure. Sidious and Plagueis are both above any of team 2. Revan doesn't pose much of a threat to either on his own, but here he might be enough of a nuisance/distraction to make this a toss up.

Revan solos Plagueis while Krayt and Caedus butcher Palpatine.

Team 2 barely, but it could honestly go either way

team 2

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not sure. Sidious and Plagueis are both above any of team 2. Revan doesn't pose much of a threat to either on his own, but here he might be enough of a nuisance/distraction to make this a toss up. Lol, yes, Revan is the distraction.

Make this RotS Sidious and team 1 wins.

Krayt dukes it out with, and maybe, just maybe, even defeats Sheev, while Revan and Caedus inevitably defeat Plagueis.

Well, I made it TPM Sidious.

And Krayt>Sheev? Blasphemy.

Wait hold on, this is TPM Sidious and Plaguies?

What the ****?

Anyone on Team 2 can take Palpatine.

Round 2, anyone on team 1 can take anyone on team 2.

Krayt isn't likely to beat Sheev, and Plagueis could probably come close to ragdolling Revan, but I'm not sure if he can do that while fending off Caedus.

TPM Palpatine is already > Vitiate IMO.

Completely disagree on Plagueis Ragdolling Revan, tbh.

The hell did Palpatine do around the time of TPM that was so impressive?

Nothing.

I still maintain the same general scale I always have.

TPM Sidious >/~ Novel Vitiate
ROTS/ROTJ Sidious >/~ SWTOR Vitiate
DE Palpatine >/~ KOTFE Valkorion

ROTS/ROTJ is disgusting.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I still maintain the same general scale I always have.

TPM Sidious >/~ Novel Vitiate
ROTS/ROTJ Sidious >/~ SWTOR Vitiate
DE Palpatine >/~ KOTFE Valkorion
Under what basis did SWTOR Vitiate grow so significantly in power?

Under what basis did Sidious?

Fair enough on RotS, but RotJ was draining the power of Byss' inhabitants.

Ok, so, just came back, and aside from a bunch of claims of power, the best feat TPM Palpatine has is moving too fast for Maul to see, which tbh is pretty impressive, but it doesn't make him as impressive as anyone on this list, especially in the force.

The absolutely ludicrous increase in knowledge on Sidious' part from ROTS to ROTJ, along with his Byss draining, is enough that you can't really put them on the exact same level, imho.

Team two wrecks, LMAO.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
The hell did Palpatine do around the time of TPM that was so impressive?

1. Power scaling from Plagueis.
2. Pretty sure the "greatest master of evil ever to use sith power" refers to TPM Sidious, but not so sure.
3. Unbalancing the Force.
4. Moving too fast for Maul to see.
5. Deflecting fire from 200 battle droids at once.
6. Midichlorian manipulation.

Okay, well tell us what about him changed so dramatically while he was sitting in his office up to RotS.

Did you miss the "fair enough" part of my post in regards to RotS?

Did you miss Jmanghan's? Take your L.

Learn to ****ing quote you whore.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Okay, well tell us what about him changed so dramatically while he was sitting in his office up to RotS.

He can hold secret scheming meetings with separatist leaders and take on his former apprentice in person, I don't doubt he could figure out how to do a little practice.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
2. Pretty sure the "greatest master of evil ever to use sith power" refers to TPM Sidious, but not so sure.


Still doesn't apply, because the Visual Guides deal with movies only. And that would mean, if it comes from the "Ultimate" version of the Visual Dictionary, this would be RotJ Sidious.

Oh, I forgot about that debate. Need to reply.

But it clearly doesn't refer to RotJ Sidious because it was talking about how Sidious was plotting behind the shadows beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, .ie the PT. But I don't have the book, so I can't say if it's referring to the TPM-era or after.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. Power scaling from Plagueis.
2. Pretty sure the "greatest master of evil ever to use sith power" refers to TPM Sidious, but not so sure.
3. Unbalancing the Force.
4. Moving too fast for Maul to see.
5. Deflecting fire from 200 battle droids at once.
6. Midichlorian manipulation.
1. I guess? :/

2. Considering there are far more impressive displays from other force users, this is moot. Regardless, its pretty vague.

3. Again, vague.

4. As I said, impressive.

5. Nothing any of Team 2 couldn't accomplish.

6. ...When???

Do we know if Sidious' lightsaber skills increased or decreased between ROTS and ROTJ?

@Nai: uh, no, without the context, you cannot conclude that every statement on Sidious needs to refer to his latest chronological incarnation by default, just because it's an Ultimate Visual guide. By that logic, it can't talk about anything Palpatine did in the prequel trilogy because his latest moment of life was in RotJ. That's pretty ludicrous. The quote in question uses the present tense, meaning that it's likely just narrating some era of the prequels. If it had said "Anakin was no match for Dooku on Geonosis", that doesn't mean "Revenge of the Sith Anakin would be no match for Dooku if they fought on Geonosis". Timelines still exist, lol.

And yes, it could refer to RotS, but "could" as in "that could be the answer depending on the context but we don't have the passage", not "it's ambiguous and could mean anything".

I don't see how this is even a question; why would RotJ Sidious be "biding his time" beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights?