Originally posted by Beniboybling
When by his own omission he was past his physical peak, out of practice and against an opponent far more experienced
The circumstances in this case do somewhat lessen the accomplishment, but they don't even begin to refute what actually took place. That being said, Kenobi's feats against Grevious, the Nightbrothers and Anakin speak for themselves. How much two years could have done to mitigate those performances can be cast aside. The Force makes up the difference. As seen when Revan is freed from 4 years torture or when Maul is restored from a decades reclusion. Unless Kenobi is suffering from some sever motor-neuron disease, the difference could well be negligible.
The fact that Krayt is so comfortable in a harsh environment only makes him all the more special. World class runners in Kenya tend to train on high mountains where Oxygen is thinner, they do this as children. In practice, they become more effective runners for any environment, because their heart, lungs, and muscles can more effectively use oxygen. The same can only logically apply to Krayt, unless what... you think he somehow gets a boon fighting in extreme temperatures with no moisture and high air-pressure? No son. He's more use to the desert than Kenobi, which insinuates superior physicality. This is an advantage he carries in any fight.
Blitz who? Hett? Laughable. Kenobi? Even more laughable. Plagueis has only been seen in one lightsaber battle and there certainly was no "blitzing" involved. I hope you can justify such a gap in speed, because it's not happening otherwise.
And you assume this means Venamis is a more talented lightsaber master than Kenobi? I'm going to refute the assumptions of this logic before you take it beyond it's limits. There is no reason for Venamis to be better than Kenobi, Bane or anyone in particular. It is illogical to assume his raw power is stronger than their's, as to assume he's received anything other than rudimentary dark-side knowledge, or training outside of one specific task - killing Plagueis. Technically, he can not be a 'rule-of-two' sith, because his very existence breaks the formula of two, making him just someone who might have joined the ranks... but didn't. He was killed before reaching the status of "a late-generation Banite Sith Lord" and of course, Plagueis didn't see him fit as an apprentice either. There is no possible way to scale Venamis without making the worst case of circular logic that has ever existed on these boards. And if you want him to be better than Kenobi, you have to prove that's the case.
Oh my! Multiple forms with both hands you say?! Kam Soulsar would be proud. But none of that is particularly relevant. Bare in mind, all of this made him the more 'technically skilled' fighter allowing him to clip Plagueis' shoulder. And he only lost to Plagueis because of the latter's powerful Force connection, As Kasim would saY going beyond forms. And we see that in the Novel, given the out-of-body experience Plagueis describes.
The transformation Krayt underwent was far more radical than anything Plagueis could have augmented himself with. And so far, contending with Kenobi as starting point, is better than beating a featless-something, who may or may not be stronger than Darth Bandon's sith Barbour (credit to Gideon).
Where is this one-thousand years advancement in martial arts? Do you actually think the knowledge inherited, possibly amended, would have such a large focus on sabers? Let me correct that mistaken notion. Both Plagueis and Palaptine view lightsbaer-combat with disdain. Sheev going as far as to call it "Jedi Dueling games" and only keeping it in reserve to "humiliate the Jedi", and it's pretty clear that they're not using 'exclusive' forms given Hego's observation Niman in Maul. Plagueis can not possibly hope to stand-up to someone who's at least matching him in raw-power, and has vastly more combat experience and time to refine his skills.
Cue Darth Venamis
Well I imagine they're vulnerable to Krayt's lighting, seen as they died from a single blast ;-) But if you've read New Jedi Order Traitor, you'll see some elaboration on the matter. Apparently, they are just as resistant to lightning. This is seen when Jacen couldn't channel sparked bolts through Vong-bodies, describing them as "poor conductors", yet Krayt can kill them outright - while having his Force connection diminished. In fact a few parallels can be made between Krayt and Jacen, all favoring the latter immensely. This is a feat war you will loose.
Do you even know what a metaphor is, Beni? Right here you have a linguistic expression that isn't representing the real state of affairs as it is described, which is made clear by the context.
" as a tangle of blue electricity that hissed from his tapered fingers, catching Wandau full-on and lifting him to the ceiling of the hold before dropping him to the puddled deck in a heap, as if his bones had turned to dust." - Taken from Darth Plagueis
Plagueis does not in fact reduce a man's bone to "dust", all he does is kill a person with lightning, and drop him in a heap, "as if his bones turned to dust. Which happens when you're manhandling a lifeless corpse. And more importantly, how can you disintegrate someones bones, but not their flesh, muscle and skin? So essentially, all Plagueis did was kill yet another, non Force sensitive being.
They are also 30 years too underwhelming, while comparing him to a diminished Vong-krayt, just over 100 years from his prime.
I find it the appeal 'holistic thinking' rather amusing while at the same time applying the 'feat wars' logic from Darth-Bane. That is fine of course, but here is the spanner - There is not a single reason why Hego should be better than his bygone predecessor in the most rudimentary categories - such as TK. The steady 'power increase' refers to a multitude of areas. Their knowledge of the Darkside being one, but so is their political and economic standing within the Galaxy. When Tenebrous was searching for a Sith apprentice ,he manipulated a powerful InterGalactic Bank agent named Caar Damask into meeting his future wife, knowing that if they had a child, their offspring would be strong in the Force. And of course, Sheev's ascension from an untarnished ambassador to supreme ruler of the Galaxy, does for-fill the 'power' scale prophesied by Bane.
Bring me this quote, it's date, it's source and then we will discuss the point further.