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What character whether due to mediocre feats or a general lack of knowledge routinely finds himself voted against in vs matches? Is it because the character is always not well known, always dependent on a nexus, loses to non force sensitives, or or overrated by a few users? What character never seems to catch a break on the battle forum?

Ventress, Malak, Ahsoka.

General Grievous.

Cin Drallig, Dooku more recently, Qui-Gon, Pre-Vizsla from time to time, Pong Krell, I would've said Savage Oppress a couple months back but not anymore; Even Piell and most of the lesser known Clone Wars Era Jedi other than Kenobi, Skywalker, Mace, and Yoda. Captain Phasma, Bane b/c of Carthage, Sometimes Tano but not so much anymore, and honestly most of bounty hunters.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
General Grievous.



I hate you a tiny bit less.

Sora Bulq and Qui Gon never win and I don't know why. Drallig and Ventress rarely get a win either

Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Asajj Ventress, Sora Bulq, Kit Fisto, Lumiya, Darth Maladi

There is no answer more correct than Plo Koon.

Satele Shan.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Sora Bulq and Qui Gon never win and I don't know why. Drallig and Ventress rarely get a win either There used to be a quote floating around that Qui-Gon in his prime was as good as Mace or Yoda in sabers, but its since been debunked.

Originally posted by JKBart
Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Asajj Ventress, Sora Bulq, Kit Fisto, Lumiya, Darth Maladi

Yep

Originally posted by JKBart
Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Asajj Ventress, Sora Bulq, Kit Fisto, Lumiya, Darth Maladi Mace really?

Originally posted by MythLord
Satele Shan. yep

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Originally posted by MythLord
Satele Shan.

You too.

Malak

Yeah, Malak is definitely a big one. I've always felt he should rightfully be one of the most powerful Sith, and I have no problem seeing how if he had more feats he'd be above Bane, Malgus, and others- but he just seems to be missing crucial feats. That and he could've used a book or something

He coulda used more BAMF in the Zayne comics

I don't think Malak would make a top 10 Most powerful sith list, definitely top 20

Malak was very, very powerful in his own right, it just requires a little bit of analysis to see that.

He has to be significantly below KotOR Revan, who I have noticeably below Galen Marek. I could see Malak being Dooku-tier in raw power. Maybe. Probably not.

Depends; I consider SF Malak when I'm making top 10/top 20 lists.

Top 10's?

The list that Galen doesn't make?

I don't know why people consider SF Malak rather than his base form. You might as well consider Vjun Dooku and Vader with the Kaiburr Crystal.

Base Malak is prob a Maul tier Force user and a Qui Gon tier duelist.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I don't know why people consider SF Malak rather than his base form. You might as well consider Vjun Dooku and Vader with the Kaiburr Crystal.
Because SF Malak's powers would have maintained off a nexus.

--According to Skillz' and Ant's (very possibly slanted) evaluation of the situation.

When did I evaluate the situation?

When we came up with the theory fact.

What's the evidence that his powers would be the same off-nexus? Please don't tell me it's one of those theories where you read way too much into character statements.

The Elders, who are familiar with how the Star Forge works, stated the following:

"You must go now, Revan. The Star Forge feeds the power of your old apprentice. If you do not stop him soon he will become too powerful for even you to stop."

The caution wouldn't make any sense unless Malak's growth in power would be maintained off the nexus.

Otherwise, there would be no rush - just waiting for Malak to leave the station, which he frequently did.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
He has to be significantly below KotOR Revan, who I have noticeably below Galen Marek.

KotOR Revan's only real feat useful for gauging his power is his Star Forge fight though, so where Revan is is largely dependent on how you place Malak. It shouldn't be the other way around.

To name a few:

- Darth Malak
- Satele Shan
- Vaylin
- Senya
- Meetra Surik
- Kao Cen Darach
- Lord Kas'im

Originally posted by Nephthys
KotOR Revan's only real feat useful for gauging his power is his Star Forge fight though, so where Revan is is largely dependent on how you place Malak. It shouldn't be the other way around.

Malak is hardly better known. I just place KotOR Revan somewhere below Revan Reborn and above Darth Revan.

Originally posted by Syndicate
You too.
Wut?

Originally posted by MythLord
Wut? .
He hates you a little less, now.

I like how DD thinks I care how much he hates me or not.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Malak is hardly better known. I just place KotOR Revan somewhere below Revan Reborn and above Darth Revan.

Yeah, well that's why Revan and Malak used to be among the "Unknowns" that the forum rules forbid us from using.

Darth Bane