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As the title states, Legends versions only.

Let's see how far the Tenebrous haters/Vader wankers will go.

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-out

Vader brings the table, and the lube. Tene, bends over backwards, and takes it like the ***** he is.

Vader takes this in a decent enough fight

Vader can't beat a bunch of Kursid warriors, and obviously Tenebrous has a ton of skill feats.

Let's argue based on how far he is on the Banite line and nebulous quotes about his force power rather than feats

Sure. So Rivi-Anu trumps them both.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sure. So Rivi-Anu trumps them both.

Rivi Anu had a moment of oneness or likely gave herself fully to te force to accomplish her feat in an analogous situation to Ganner Rhysode. But yeah one stupid showing with obvious ambiguous factors >>> countless accolades from Canon/Legends calling Vader among the powerful of Sith Lords and Sidious saying he was unparalled in Tarkin.

Great argument Nova

You argued for Vader, not for Tenebrous. So by that logic, Rivi-Anu still trumps Tenebrous?

Anyway, Tenebrous is hardly deficient in feats. The areas where we do see him use his powers, bar telekinesis, includes him having better feats than Vader - Barrier, Speed, Sense, etc.

Originally posted by carthage
Vader can't beat a bunch of Kursid warriors, and obviously Tenebrous has a ton of skill feats.

Let's argue based on how far he is on the Banite line and nebulous quotes about his force power rather than feats

Accolades can't be dismissed on face if they're from sufficiently reliable sources. It's not like the third person narrator is lying.

There's nothing "nebulous" about Tenebrous' quotes at all. Multiple sources from different authors make it abundantly clear that each Sith Lord in the Banite line is more powerful than the last, and Tenebrous has spent perhaps over a century mastering the dark side. Even if the quote referred to raw power, it's completely fair to assume that Tenebrous mastered that raw power.

^^ also uncertainty =/= proof of weakness. We defer to the most probable conclusion, i.e. that Tenebrous is below Plagueis but not by such a huge amount that it would imply Bane to be Coleman Trebor level.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vader brings the table, and the lube. Tene, bends over backwards, and takes it like the ***** he is.

You're saying this as if Carthage would have a problem with Bane being coleman trebor level.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You're saying this as if Carthage would have a problem with Bane being coleman trebor level.

As you know, he has Bane at Qui Gon level, and once PoD Bane slightly below ESB Luke.

I don't know. I go back and forth on this.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Accolades can't be dismissed on face if they're from sufficiently reliable sources. It's not like the third person narrator is lying.

I'm not dismissing anything he's obviously leagues above Bane in terms of feats, but applying Banite scaling can easily apply to Vader given Hes vastly above any of Banes order given we have no idea how powerful they are and how much his feats shit on Bane's.

Originally posted by carthage
I'm not dismissing anything he's obviously leagues above Bane in terms of feats, but applying Banite scaling can easily apply to Vader given Hes vastly above any of Banes order given we have no idea how powerful they are and how much his feats shit on Bane's.

Banite scaling can't directly apply to Vader, since he never surpasses Palpatine. At most, the fact that he can even remotely kiss Sidious's boots suggest that he could atomize Bane and Zannah easily, but we already knew that from his feats.

We know how powerful Bane is, and how powerful Sidious is, so Tenebrous should be like twenty times closer to Sidious than he is to Bane.

Gee, Tenebrous seems to be hella overrated and hella underrated right now. Look he ain't beating Vader but he's putting up a fight, he's no pushover. Tenebrous is probably just above the likes of DD Ventress Sabers wise and stronger in the force so I see him beating most TCW Council members but he's no Vader, Windu, Yoda.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Tenebrous is probably just above the likes of DD Ventress Sabers wise.

Originally posted by SunRazer


Don't agree?

No. And by "more powerful than Ventress in the Force", how much more powerful are we talking about?

Tenebrous brings the lube.

Originally posted by SunRazer
No. And by "more powerful than Ventress in the Force", how much more powerful are we talking about?

Just more knowledgable, better combative use. Most likely stronger force pushes and can actually use lightning.

You don't think he could easily ragdoll her?

Originally posted by SunRazer
You don't think he could easily ragdoll her?

Well if Vos can do it I suppose Tenebrous could

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vader brings the table, and the lube. Tene, bends over backwards, and takes it like the ***** he is.

Vader needs the lube for his mechanical joints to make sure he can move at all. Otherwise, he gets speedblitzed

Because blitzing non force sensitives is proof he can blitz Vader . He deflected omnidirectional blaster fire in the most recent issue of his comic with one hand, Tenebrous isn't blitzing shit.

You read the thread title?

Are 'The Tenebrous Way' and 'Plagueis' the only sources of info on Tenebrous?

Yep.

Nothing in canon is out of place with what he's capable of in Legends, he has plenty of speed feats to suggest he wouldn't get blitzed especially when Nova is legit trying to imply moving faster than baseline non force sensitives could perceive is equivalent to blitzing Vader who has already equalled that feat

Originally posted by Syndicate
Yep.

Damn. I liked them both a lot, especially the Plagueis novel but it's still kinda hard to know how good Tenebrous is in combat :/

Winebottle, you failed when you assumed Nova was being 100% literal/serious.

****

I mean, Nova isn't completely retarded...right?

No not at all

Tenebrous speedblitzes

Respond to my post in the Ragnos vs Anakin thread, Lord of the Myths.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I mean, Nova isn't completely retarded...right?

You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.