Tarzan runs the Gauntlet

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Kotor3
Fight takes place in the Jungle.

H2H battle.

Invader have come into the Jungle

Batman - (Ben's version)
Punisher from DD TV Series
Fist from DD TV Series
DD from TV Series
Black Window

Boss: Winter Solider

Main Boss: Captain America

Round 1: No rest
Round 2: Rest after each battle

FrothByte
If Tarzan is reset to 100% after each round I say he stops at Winter Soldier.

TheVaultDweller
Tarzan could probably handle a black window pretty easily.

Time-Immemorial
I guess I need to watch this movie.

FrothByte
It wasn't a bad movie. Just not quite as good as it potentially could have been.

Anyway, Tarzan seems to have some degree of superhuman strength. Easily picking up Samuel Jackson's character with one hand, smashing soldiers through roofs, taking a beating from a silverback gorilla without severe injury.

He was able to take on a room full of soldiers h2h.

BruceSkywalker
how's the nude scene with Margot Robbie??? is that worth the money I might pay?

FrothByte
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
how's the nude scene with Margot Robbie??? is that worth the money I might pay?


I guess the sex scene was pretty intense as far as PG 13 movies go, but it's still a PG-13 movie which means the most you get is a nude shoulder here, a nude back there, maybe a shot of thigh... that kind of stuff.

Kotor3
It seems that people are not very familiar with how Tarzan should be. Tarzan is supposed to have super strength and agility. When he goes back to the Jungle is suppose to give in to his animal instincts. The movie somewhat display that part of his animal instincts kicking in.

This is the best movie rendition since the black and white movies.

I wonder how strong is Cap and Winter Solider in comparison. Are they stronger than an Ape and can their body take the punishment of getting beat down by blows from an Ape?

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by FrothByte
I guess the sex scene was pretty intense as far as PG 13 movies go, but it's still a PG-13 movie which means the most you get is a nude shoulder here, a nude back there, maybe a shot of thigh... that kind of stuff.


so perhaps wait until cable???

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Kotor3
It seems that people are not very familiar with how Tarzan should be. Tarzan is supposed to have super strength and agility. When he goes back to the Jungle is suppose to give in to his animal instincts. The movie somewhat display that part of his animal instincts kicking in.

This is the best movie rendition since the black and white movies.

I wonder how strong is Cap and Winter Solider in comparison. Are they stronger than an Ape and can their body take the punishment of getting beat down by blows from an Ape? Gorilla's can lift 2 tons, so... no, they aren't.

Kotor3
If that is the case then Tarzan definitely has a chance of defeating Winter Solider or Cap. His ability to take damage may be more than theirs. Also Tarzan is stronger enough to overpower certain Gorillas. Obviously not ones who are the size of the one he fought in the recent movie.

Just for clarification feats can be used from all Tarzan movies and the same for Cap and Winter Solider.

TheVaultDweller
Which source says that a "gorilla" (seemingly in general) can lift 2 tons?

Kotor3
Feats for Tarzan that I can remember:
Jump off the brokenly bridge and Survived
Swim faster than Jane could run
Fought a Gorillas
Took a pounding from a Gorilla to protect Jane (Kerchak)
Fought a Lion
Fought a leopard
Fought a Crocodile in the water
Fought multiple tribal warriors and hunters
Broken through walls
Kick a big Man through a the wall of a moving train
Fast enough to run with animals and keep up
Ability to lord over elephants and other animals such as lions, etc
Jump from extreme heights and catch a vine and swing like an Ape
Can climb building and trees like a Ape very quickly

Abilities
Super Strength and Agility (Climbing Strength comparable to a gorilla)
Animal Instinct (increase sense and spell)

Here is a link for Tarzan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan
View the skill section it describe his abilities quite well.

I don't remember all of his feats but Tarzan has fought many animals in his movies.

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Which source says that a "gorilla" (seemingly in general) can lift 2 tons? I type in strength of a gorilla in google and immediately sources appear stating that a gorilla is anywhere from 6 to 15 times stronger than an adult man.

TheVaultDweller
Yes, and 6 to 15 is a fairly big window, and does not necessarily equate to 2 tons.

Edit: Either way though, if Tarzan can take multiple blows from a gorilla without getting flat-out killed, he has durability well beyond any real world human.

Jmanghan
Yup.

TheVaultDweller
So wait... "all" Cap movie feats? All MCU Cap feats, or really all feats? Because then there are things like the 1991 film to consider as well.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yup. This is what I meant to post.

FrothByte
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, and 6 to 15 is a fairly big window, and does not necessarily equate to 2 tons.

Edit: Either way though, if Tarzan can take multiple blows from a gorilla without getting flat-out killed, he has durability well beyond any real world human.

Well a google search says they can lift 2000 kg...

Jmanghan
And this.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Jmanghan
And this.

TheVaultDweller
Yeah, but where is this number coming from? From what study or test? Simply saying "google says" is not really a source, considering there are some forums/articles that say 5 to 8 times adult male, 6 to 15, and even 20 adult males in some cases. So what exactly are all these people throwing out the "2 ton" number basing it on?

Jmanghan
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, but where is this number coming from? From what study or test? Simply saying "google says" is not really a source, considering there are some forums/articles that say 5 to 8 times adult male, 6 to 15, and even 20 adult males in some cases. So what exactly are all these people throwing out the "2 ton" number basing it on? Where's the source that says 6-15?

All I know is, there have been cases of Gorillas ripping off Car doors and flipping minivans, as well as breaking bullet-proof glass.

TheVaultDweller
Well, this site, "Mammal facts", puts them at 6 times human strength. But that is one of the lower numbers I have seen, which is why I also mentioned higher estimates.

http://mammalfacts.com/gorilla-facts.html

I just find random facts/statements, without proper sources, a bit questionable. I mean I can post a screenshot of a google search where multiple sites claim Obama is a reptilian alien. Doesn't mean it's true.

And, anyway, as I pointed out, even taking blows from a being 6 times stronger than a fully grown man without getting seriously injured = beyond human durability.

On a random note... holy sh*t, 40lbs of food per day?!?!

Jmanghan
I just say its easiest to go with the most consistent facts.

Because unless there are actual studies to find, there are no proof.

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So wait... "all" Cap movie feats? All MCU Cap feats, or really all feats? Because then there are things like the 1991 film to consider as well. To be fair, Yes. If all Tarzan movies are to be included then all Cap movies including animated.

FrothByte
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, this site, "Mammal facts", puts them at 6 times human strength. But that is one of the lower numbers I have seen, which is why I also mentioned higher estimates.

http://mammalfacts.com/gorilla-facts.html

I just find random facts/statements, without proper sources, a bit questionable. I mean I can post a screenshot of a google search where multiple sites claim Obama is a reptilian alien. Doesn't mean it's true.

And, anyway, as I pointed out, even taking blows from a being 6 times stronger than a fully grown man without getting seriously injured = beyond human durability.

On a random note... holy sh*t, 40lbs of food per day?!?!

It's probably because gorillas, just like humans, will vary in their strength levels depending on gender, size, age, etc. Maybe 6-15x is your average gorilla and 20-25x is your average silverback.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Jmanghan
I just say its easiest to go with the most consistent facts.

Because unless there are actual studies to find, there are no proof.

Problem is there aren't any real studies I could find. People tend to estimate how strong they are based on how, for example, they can tear down a banana tree, or support their on bodyweight for extended periods of time with one arm. But the very first numbers that actually came up when I put in "how strong are gorillas" was the 6 to 15 range, from Slate.com, which supposedly specialises in researching and answering questions for people. Then the "mammalfacts" site also threw out the x6 number.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's probably because gorillas, just like humans, will vary in their strength levels depending on gender, size, age, etc. Maybe 6-15x is your average gorilla and 20-25x is your average silverback.

See, that's the thing. "Probably", "maybe". You're also just speculating now.

For a gorilla to be able to lift 2 tons, they would basically need to be able to lift a Bentley Continental off the ground.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Kotor3
To be fair, Yes. If all Tarzan movies are to be included then all Cap movies including animated.

I feel like this just complicates things. Too many feats from very different platforms and eras. Wouldn't it be simpler to base them on latest versions?

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, this site, "Mammal facts", puts them at 6 times human strength. But that is one of the lower numbers I have seen, which is why I also mentioned higher estimates.

http://mammalfacts.com/gorilla-facts.html

I just find random facts/statements, without proper sources, a bit questionable. I mean I can post a screenshot of a google search where multiple sites claim Obama is a reptilian alien. Doesn't mean it's true.

And, anyway, as I pointed out, even taking blows from a being 6 times stronger than a fully grown man without getting seriously injured = beyond human durability.

On a random note... holy sh*t, 40lbs of food per day?!?! I look at a couple of articles. It is not hard to find. The 6 to 15 and some say even 20 comes from different studies from different scientist during different time periods. It depends on who you ask. As you mentioned 6 is really the low end for most studies.

As for injury Tarzan does get injured from the blows. When Tarzan saved Jane from Kerchak he was hospitalized from the hits. To be fair he did not fight back and took multiple hits defenseless.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Kotor3
As for injury Tarzan does get injured from the blows. When Tarzan saved Jane from Kerchak he was hospitalized from the hits. To be fair he did not fight back and took multiple hits defenseless.

Still, a beating from a gorilla (even a very brief one) would kill even a large, muscular man. So just the fact that he survived still puts him above that. Like I mentioned, even at x6 adult male strength, those blows will be shattering bone, pulping organs etc.

Kotor3
Originally posted by FrothByte
I feel like this just complicates things. Too many feats from very different platforms and eras. Wouldn't it be simpler to base them on latest versions? Then you are really limiting Tarzan. How many recent movies do you have of Tarzan where he actually display something of note. (Disney and recent one)

That is why I listed out some of his feats from previous and recent movies. Cap and Winter Solider are the more skilled fighters but can they wrestle a croc or gorilla? I really don't know the answer especially since Cap held down a helicopter.

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Still, a beating from a gorilla (even a very brief one) would kill even a large, muscular man. So just the fact that he survived still puts him above that. Like I mentioned, even at x6 adult male strength, those blows will be shattering bone, pulping organs etc. Agreed. That feat is from the recent movie. So what are your thoughts? How far does Tarzan get without rest and with rest after each battle.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Kotor3
Agreed. That feat is from the recent movie. So what are your thoughts? How far does Tarzan get without rest and with rest after each battle.

Well, without having actually seen the movie, and going on what people here have mentioned, he should at least get past Black Widow. He seems to be around the same ballpark (at least durability wise) as the Super Soldiers, but I have no idea how good his fighting skill/striking feats are compared to theirs. I haven't watched any of the older Tarzan movies in a long time. I mostly remember Christopher Lambert's forehead looking enormous in Greystoke.

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, without having actually seen the movie, and going on what people here have mentioned, he should at least get past Black Widow. He seems to be around the same ballpark (at least durability wise) as the Super Soldiers, but I have no idea how good his fighting skill/striking feats are compared to theirs. I haven't watched any of the older Tarzan movies in a long time. I mostly remember Christopher Lambert's forehead looking enormous in Greystoke. Fair enough. I was hoping some of the feats I listed would help people make a decision.

The Black and White movies his strength feats are consistent. The recent movie they are not which was my biggest issue with the movie.

Just remember Tarzan can contend with Gorillas, Lions, Crocs, etc. That speaks to his strength, speed, and agility. He has not only contended but killed them.

KingD19
None of these feats seem like they're near the top end of what the Super Bros can do. Cap's one arm curled a car, stopped a helicopter from taking off, etc, etc...

Kotor3
So fighting a Gorilla, Croc in water, is not comparable to curling a car or stopping a helicopter? Our views differ. None of the feats you mentioned are something a Gorilla could not do and Tarzan has the strength of a Gorilla.

Kotor3

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by KingD19
None of these feats seem like they're near the top end of what the Super Bros can do.

Great, now every time they're mentioned I am going to think of Mario and Luigi.

NotAllThatEvil
Tarzan might beat bucky if ge gets lucky but goes down hard to cap.

FrothByte
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, without having actually seen the movie, and going on what people here have mentioned, he should at least get past Black Widow. He seems to be around the same ballpark (at least durability wise) as the Super Soldiers, but I have no idea how good his fighting skill/striking feats are compared to theirs. I haven't watched any of the older Tarzan movies in a long time. I mostly remember Christopher Lambert's forehead looking enormous in Greystoke.

His h2h skills allow him to easily beat a room full of soldiers.

FrothByte
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Problem is there aren't any real studies I could find. People tend to estimate how strong they are based on how, for example, they can tear down a banana tree, or support their on bodyweight for extended periods of time with one arm. But the very first numbers that actually came up when I put in "how strong are gorillas" was the 6 to 15 range, from Slate.com, which supposedly specialises in researching and answering questions for people. Then the "mammalfacts" site also threw out the x6 number.



See, that's the thing. "Probably", "maybe". You're also just speculating now.

For a gorilla to be able to lift 2 tons, they would basically need to be able to lift a Bentley Continental off the ground.

If you do a google search on "How much can a gorilla lift" you'll see quite a number of articles that list it as 2000 kgs. Most of the articles will state that a Gorilla can lift 10x it's bodyweight, and if an average silverback is 200 kgs then that translates to 2000 kgs.

Is it accurate? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm sure they (who wrote the articles) know more about it than I do. So unless contrary proof is given, I'd be willing to take their word for it.

wallman77
Originally posted by Kotor3
It seems that people are not very familiar with how Tarzan should be. Tarzan is supposed to have super strength and agility. When he goes back to the Jungle is suppose to give in to his animal instincts. The movie somewhat display that part of his animal instincts kicking in.

This is the best movie rendition since the black and white movies.

I wonder how strong is Cap and Winter Solider in comparison. Are they stronger than an Ape and can their body take the punishment of getting beat down by blows from an Ape?

Cap was eating blows from bucky's army that would do way more damage than a gorrilla...

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by FrothByte
If you do a google search on "How much can a gorilla lift" you'll see quite a number of articles that list it as 2000 kgs. Most of the articles will state that a Gorilla can lift 10x it's bodyweight, and if an average silverback is 200 kgs then that translates to 2000 kgs.

Is it accurate? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm sure they (who wrote the articles) know more about it than I do. So unless contrary proof is given, I'd be willing to take their word for it.

Again, while there are articles saying 2 tons, there are also articles saying other numbers, as I have pointed out multiple times. People make predictions based on how they watch gorillas interact with things in nature/zoo enclosures. No one has ever actually sat there and made a gorilla press 2 tons of weight, so that number is a loose estimate at best. And in a number of the threads/discussions where the 2 ton number is brought up, it is met with heavy levels of skepticism.

My issue is that every time I see this number, it's just some random person throwing it out, and not citing any kind of credible source as to where they got the information. And as someone who does research (among other things) by trade, information without a proper source does not sit right with me.

I mean if someone can actually provide me a credible source for this number, and not someone/something called PukeDunk or whatever stating it, I'd be happy to accept it. As it stands, I am taking that number with a serious pinch of salt.

FrothByte
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Again, while there are articles saying 2 tons, there are also articles saying other numbers, as I have pointed out multiple times. People make predictions based on how they watch gorillas interact with things in nature/zoo enclosures. No one has ever actually sat there and made a gorilla press 2 tons of weight, so that number is a loose estimate at best. And in a number of the threads/discussions where the 2 ton number is brought up, it is met with heavy levels of skepticism.

My issue is that every time I see this number, it's just some random person throwing it out, and not citing any kind of credible source as to where they got the information. And as someone who does research (among other things) by trade, information without a proper source does not sit right with me.

I mean if someone can actually provide me a credible source for this number, and not someone/something called PukeDunk or whatever stating it, I'd be happy to accept it. As it stands, I am taking that number with a serious pinch of salt.

The numbers you stayed earlier were merely that Gorillas are about 6-15x stronger than humans. That did not say how much they can actually carry. It's not like those figures have a credible source either. Also, the 2000 kgs is not exactly a random number so much as just saying they can lift 10x their body weight.

And while I agree that more scientific proof would be nice, at this point it's a silly argument since you won't get it. And 2000 kgs seems to be the more consistent number we're going to get.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by FrothByte
The numbers you stayed earlier were merely that Gorillas are about 6-15x stronger than humans. That did not say how much they can actually carry. It's not like those figures have a credible source either. Also, the 2000 kgs is not exactly a random number so much as just saying they can lift 10x their body weight.

And while I agree that more scientific proof would be nice, at this point it's a silly argument since you won't get it. And 2000 kgs seems to be the more consistent number we're going to get.

Guess we are going to have to agree to disagree here. Because 2 tons sounds like a stretch to me, without any actual proper study to fall back on. Pushing or pulling 2 tons? Sure. But lifting 2 tons off the ground? I am going to need to see something of more substance before buying into that one.

TheVaultDweller
Anyway, as Kotor3 said Tarzan gets all movie feats, I found something that kind of renders the gorilla thing a minor point. In Tarzan's Three Challenges (1963), he apparently tests his strength against a pair of large male buffalo (one with each arm, at the same time). If he can match strength with a pair of buffalo (even briefly), and be tough enough that his arms can take the strain without injury, he is insanely strong and durable.

Nibedicus
All Tarzan movies would include the Tarzan animated right?

Serious agility "feats" there.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Nibedicus
All Tarzan movies would include the Tarzan animated right?

Serious agility "feats" there.

Animation is kind of a slippery slope, because should we then include feats for Cap from animated shows and movies as well? Best to stick to live-action IMO.

And after doing more research on that buffalo feat, it really is kind of ridiculous. According to Dr. John Conde, who actually tested their pulling strength, buffalo are, on average, apparently 4 times as strong as an ox. And Tarzan used his arms to resist the pull of two of them simultaneously, for several seconds. That's just silly levels of strength.

tkitna
Originally posted by Kotor3
Our views differ. None of the feats you mentioned are something a Gorilla could not do and Tarzan has the strength of a Gorilla.

I just cant see a gorilla holding a helicopter back with one arm.

Kotor3
Originally posted by wallman77
Cap was eating blows from bucky's army that would do way more damage than a gorrilla... Based upon what proof? I don't recall Cap eating any blows from Bucky's arm. I recall him dodging them but no direct hits.

Kotor3
Originally posted by tkitna
I just cant see a gorilla holding a helicopter back with one arm. Our views differ. I definitely see a gorilla being able to do so. There are posts in this thread that shows different studies of a gorilla's strength.

TheVaultDweller
Huh? He literally let Bucky repeatedly punch him in the face with his metal arm, at the end of TWS. Winter Soldier hit him 6 times IIRC, while in a mounted position. And this was after Cap got stabbed and shot multiple times.

Edit: And that metal arm managed to punch a huge chunk of concrete out of a wall, when Bucky dropped Falcon during his rampage in Civil War.

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Animation is kind of a slippery slope, because should we then include feats for Cap from animated shows and movies as well? Best to stick to live-action IMO.

And after doing more research on that buffalo feat, it really is kind of ridiculous. According to Dr. John Conde, who actually tested their pulling strength, buffalo are, on average, apparently 4 times as strong as an ox. And Tarzan used his arms to resist the pull of two of them simultaneously, for several seconds. That's just silly levels of strength. If you think that is silly you should read of his feats from the novel. The movies don't do him due justice.

The movies do show consistency in his super strength and agility which can easily match Cap and Winter Solider. I would say that Tarzan is more agile.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Kotor3
If you think that is silly you should read of his feats from the novel. The movies don't do him due justice.

The movies do show consistency in his super strength and agility which can easily match Cap and Winter Solider. I would say that Tarzan is more agile.

I am aware of what comic/novel Tarzan can do. There is actually a pretty decent subreddit respect thread for him, detailing all of his most impressive feats. At one point in the comics, he swings from a vine and like kicks a T-Rex over or something.

KingD19
Well if we bring comics into it, Comic Cap pushes Tarzan's dirty dreadlocks in.

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Huh? He literally let Bucky repeatedly punch him in the face with his metal arm, at the end of TWS. Winter Soldier hit him 6 times IIRC, while in a mounted position. And this was after Cap got stabbed and shot multiple times.

Edit: And that metal arm managed to punch a huge chunk of concrete out of a wall, when Bucky dropped Falcon during his rampage in Civil War. I have to go back and watch. I do not remember Cap getting punch repeatedly in the face with the metal arm.

Either way the point that the arm can exert or exercise more power than a punch from a gorilla is to be proven. If what you are saying is correct about Cap taking the hits with the metal arm I would still argue that the beating Tarzan took from Kerchak defenseless while protecting Jane, fighting and killing three lions while weaken, and taking the spinning motions from a Croc are much better durability feats then taking hits from Bucky's metal arm.

KingD19
Originally posted by Kotor3
I have to go back and watch. I do not remember Cap getting punch repeatedly in the face with the metal arm.

Either way the point that the arm can exert or exercise more power than a punch from a gorilla is to be proven. If what you are saying is correct about Cap taking the hits with the metal arm I would still argue that the beating Tarzan took from Kerchak defenseless while protecting Jane, fighting and killing three lions while weaken, and taking the spinning motions from a Croc are much better durability feats then taking hits from Bucky's metal arm.

Well you didn't watch the movie. Cap basically gives up because Bucky's his friend and he gets a good couple full force shots to the face. The most he gets is a slightly split nose.

ANd it's not to be proven, it has been proven. He's pulverized concrete, ripped a steering column out of a car. Caught a full force shield throw, tapped a car and sent it off the road, and even busted out of a cage specifically designed to hold him. The arm has far more feats than a gorilla. Like wrecking Tony's armor for example.

Kotor3
Originally posted by KingD19
Well you didn't watch the movie. Cap basically gives up because Bucky's his friend and he gets a good couple full force shots to the face. The most he gets is a slightly split nose.

ANd it's not to be proven, it has been proven. He's pulverized concrete, ripped a steering column out of a car. Caught a full force shield throw, tapped a car and sent it off the road, and even busted out of a cage specifically designed to hold him. The arm has far more feats than a gorilla. Like wrecking Tony's armor for example. Aren't we getting emotional. Making accusations doesn't prove your point. You have yet to prove that a Gorilla cannot pulverize concrete, rip a steering column out of a car or any of the feats you mentioned above.

I provide feats from Tarzan who has the strength of a Gorilla that equate to those feats. You don't have to accept them but you have proven nothing.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Nibedicus
All Tarzan movies would include the Tarzan animated right?

Serious agility "feats" there.

True. But then Cap from The Ultimate Avengers animation had some ridiculous feats as well, like leaping off multiple stories, taking hit after hit from Hulk, etc.

NotAllThatEvil
Both spiderman and ironman have caught snd lifted speeding vehicles and cap beat both.
Bucky < tarzan = spiderman < cap.

FrothByte
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Both spiderman and ironman have caught snd lifted speeding vehicles and cap beat both.
Bucky < tarzan = spiderman < cap.

That's a very simplistic view on it. Cap beat Spiderman not because he was stronger or faster but simply because he was a far more experienced fighter than Spidey was. Tarzan is a more experienced fighter than Spidey as well.

Cap only beat IM with excessive help from WS, surroundings that played to his strengths, and quite a bit of plot armor.

NotAllThatEvil
Could a buffolo breack through a submarine?

FrothByte
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Could a buffolo breack through a submarine?

Get a submarine from the 1940's, put it on dry land and let the bull have at it... probably?

TheVaultDweller
Well, if you check on youtube, there are clips showing just how stupidly strong they actually are. Buffalo can launch fully grown lions several feet into the air, and tip cars over, if they get pissed enough. And then there is the x4 strength of an ox number. Doing research, I get some crazy sounding numbers, like an "ox can pull two regular cars", which I am not quite so sure about. A more reasonable number stands at about "pulling and carrying 900kg over rough terrain", even though it's a lower estimate. But if we add in the x4, that's 3.6 tons for a buffalo, in terms of pull/carry weight. And Tarzan was holding one of them back with each arm. So I don't know why people are comparing Cap to an buffalo when they should be comparing him to the guy who was matching strength against two of them.

Kotor3
Originally posted by FrothByte
True. But then Cap from The Ultimate Avengers animation had some ridiculous feats as well, like leaping off multiple stories, taking hit after hit from Hulk, etc. There are so many different versions of these Cap and Tarzan that is why I included all movies. I try to take a look at all the their feats and come to a middle ground.

The Tarzan in the new film is very strong but not as strong as the one in the black and white films.

In Avengers Black Window took a smack from hulk when she was fleeing and had no broken bones. Very inconsistent displays of strength and durability.

Either way taking hits from the Hulk shows that Cap has extreme durability. However, I'm not willing to say it is more than Tarzan. They are probably very comparable.

TheVaultDweller
It can still become problematic, because different incarnations can vary greatly, depending on the interpretation of the creators. Like you bring up Black Widow. In the one animated film, Avengers Confidential: Black Widow & Punisher, both of those two are straight up bullet timers (they both have multiple feats of dodging close range automatic fire), and can reliably go up against people with legit superhuman stats. So you are always going to end up with wildly fluctuating showings when you start including all showings.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Kotor3
There are so many different versions of these Cap and Tarzan that is why I included all movies. I try to take a look at all the their feats and come to a middle ground.

The Tarzan in the new film is very strong but not as strong as the one in the black and white films.

In Avengers Black Window took a smack from hulk when she was fleeing and had no broken bones. Very inconsistent displays of strength and durability.

Either way taking hits from the Hulk shows that Cap has extreme durability. However, I'm not willing to say it is more than Tarzan. They are probably very comparable.

I wouldn't call what Hulk did to BW as a "smack". Smack implies a solid hit that was delivered with force. It looked more like she got side swiped with his hand, or you could even call it a flick. I doubt BW could survive an actual smack or backhanded slap from Hulk.

Kotor3
Originally posted by FrothByte
I wouldn't call what Hulk did to BW as a "smack". Smack implies a solid hit that was delivered with force. It looked more like she got side swiped with his hand, or you could even call it a flick. I doubt BW could survive an actual smack or backhanded slap from Hulk. What would a flick from a bear, lion, Crock, or Gorilla do to a human? Flick, poke, whatever you wish to call it, it came from the hulk.

Also the Hulk was not trying to get her out of his way he was going after her, so I consider what he did a legit hit on Black Window.

Kotor3
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It can still become problematic, because different incarnations can vary greatly, depending on the interpretation of the creators. Like you bring up Black Widow. In the one animated film, Avengers Confidential: Black Widow & Punisher, both of those two are straight up bullet timers (they both have multiple feats of dodging close range automatic fire), and can reliably go up against people with legit superhuman stats. So you are always going to end up with wildly fluctuating showings when you start including all showings. I hear what you are saying. The only issue is that there I do not know of one rendition of Tarzan and Cap that would be fair to each other. I will give it a try with another thread.

Tarzan in the new movie would be a good fight for Cap but would surely lose. The black and white version would be a better fight but then I think it would be a clear strength and agility advantage for Tarzan.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Kotor3
What would a flick from a bear, lion, Crock, or Gorilla do to a human? Flick, poke, whatever you wish to call it, it came from the hulk.

Also the Hulk was not trying to get her out of his way he was going after her, so I consider what he did a legit hit on Black Window.

A flick from a bear? Probably knock a human off his feat but do no serious damage.

A flick from Hulk? Well, it launched BW across the room and slammed her on the wall. Still a great durability feat for her.

But let's not pretend that what Hulk did was a full on smack or slap. A full slap from Hulk would have pulverized BW's bones.

Kotor3
Originally posted by FrothByte
A flick from a bear? Probably knock a human off his feat but do no serious damage.

A flick from Hulk? Well, it launched BW across the room and slammed her on the wall. Still a great durability feat for her.

But let's not pretend that what Hulk did was a full on smack or slap. A full slap from Hulk would have pulverized BW's bones. Okay nothing to argue but I don't agree that a flick from bear would do no serious damage to a human. Also, I don't know what you call a flick. She wasn't guarding herself or in a defense stance, she was running and the Hulk hand hit her body. I will watch again. I don't recall it being his finger or a nip.

Jmanghan
A flick from a Gorilla would do more then a flick from a Gorilla would.

Kotor3
Here is the clip. His full hand hits her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBp9bw3iPw

FrothByte
Originally posted by Kotor3
Here is the clip. His full hand hits her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBp9bw3iPw

I never said his full hand didn't hit her or that it was merely a finger or something that hit. I said it wasn't a smack or a slap. To be fair, I guess it also isn't a flick. The best way to describe it was a swipe. Side swipe. Like Hulk barely managed to reach her and just moved her out of the way.

Because there's no way that that was a full smack/slap. A bear or gorilla doing the same motion to a human will leave the human hurt but not seriously injured. Now if the bear or gorilla went with a full powered smack, that's different.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Jmanghan
A flick from a Gorilla would do more then a flick from a Gorilla would.

Huh?

Kotor3
Originally posted by FrothByte
I never said his full hand didn't hit her or that it was merely a finger or something that hit. I said it wasn't a smack or a slap. To be fair, I guess it also isn't a flick. The best way to describe it was a swipe. Side swipe. Like Hulk barely managed to reach her and just moved her out of the way.

Because there's no way that that was a full smack/slap. A bear or gorilla doing the same motion to a human will leave the human hurt but not seriously injured. Now if the bear or gorilla went with a full powered smack, that's different. I hear what you are saying. It seemed like a smack to me. The point I was making is that no matter a smack or a swipe it came from an anger Hulk that was clearly out to get her.

Now I agree with your last statement that a similar motion from a bear or gorilla would leave a human hurt. How serious depends on a couple of factors. There have been plenty of cases of humans playing with animals like lions or gorillas and the animal doing a simple swipe or smack and threading the person's arm or breaking bones.

No matter what way you describe the hit, Black Window should not have been able to get back up and get into a fight with Hawkeye. It is simply an inconsistent showing of strength and power from the hulk.

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