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1.) Naboo
2.) "The Home"
3.) Lake Natth

Lumiya should win in sabers and all-out, unless if it's on Ambria.

Lumiya probably takes sabers and makes the better Illusions. Zannah triumphs in all else.

How? Without her tendrils, her only shot is to try to break her mentally, and frankly I don't see conclusive evidence that she could do that, not when it failed against Bane and only worked on random, featless Jedi. Lumiya has illusions, and she has a weapon that Zannah is utterly unfamiliar with.

Zannah could probably ragdoll her, if she tried.

Zannah couldn't even ragdoll Rastka Lsu, lol.

Not sure what makes you say so; Zannah never fought Raskta. And it's not like ragdolling Lumiya should be much harder than ragdolling Raskta anyways.

Lumiya in melee.
Zannah in Force.
Not sure as of yet. Need to find out about Lumiya's own knowledge in Sith Sorcery and more importantly, illusions.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not sure what makes you say so; Zannah never fought Raskta. And it's not like ragdolling Lumiya should be much harder than ragdolling Raskta anyways.

Raskta was explicitly weak in the Force relative to other Jedi, meanwhile Lumiya seems to be pretty prominent; she was relatively well respected in the Empire, and then was knowledgeable enough in the Force for Caedus to accept her as a master.

This also comes down to how seriously you take her final performance against Luke.

Lumiya's noted to be incredibly weak in the Force, too; she's something like 90% machine. Apparently it's noted in Betrayal that Jacen could kill her at any time with TK, for what it's worth. For that matter, Jacen's irrelevant Jedi apprentice also stalemated her in a TK struggle iirc.

Huh, do you have a quote? Either way if that's true and in context, then Zannah could take all-out depending on how close they start.

Zannah takes all but sabers.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Huh, do you have a quote?.
I do, but too bad you have me on ignore.

Lumiya dies.

Ehhh...yeah, that hardly suggests Jacen would have killed her casually without a fight, and even if it did, he could've easily done that to Zannah too.

If Jacen could instakill her with TK, I really doubt they'd be much of a fight.

Where does it say it was an instakill?

In either case, Jacen could ragdoll Zannah. If he's not jobbing he could probably ragdoll Dooku.

It says that somebody died in each of the visions, and if Lumiya's skull was crushed, well, it ain't Jacen that's dead.

And you could show a vision where Sidious is begging for mercy below Windu, but that doesn't mean Windu one-shotted him.

Because Sidious had a fatal injury when he begged Mace for his life?

Come on, now. You're getting your skull smashed in. That's death.

Ok, so if Windu had finished the job and killed him, and you saw an image of that, you'd just conclude that Windu blitzed him in two seconds?

Or what if you saw Obi Wan standing over Anakin's burning body on Mustafar - did Obi Wan oneshot him?

Honestly that makes complete sense from a logical standpoint Ell. This is why I'm not ashamed to admit you're such a great debater when you're not trolling.

"Great debater", lmao.

Zannah stomps.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ok, so if Windu had finished the job and killed him, and you saw an image of that, you'd just conclude that Windu blitzed him in two seconds?

Or what if you saw Obi Wan standing over Anakin's burning body on Mustafar - did Obi Wan oneshot him?

Except this isn't "Jacen standing over Lumiya's corpse with no context whatsoever", this is Jacen throwing Lumiya into a wall with TK, crushing her skull and killing her.

Lumiya was overpowered in TK by Nelani, Jacen would annihilate her.

We don't know how long they fought before Lumiya was overwhelmed by Caedus.

He wasn't Caedus yet. And if her skull was crushed by him throwing her into a wall, it probably wasn't a long fight. Besides, who cares if they clashed blades for a while until Jacen hurled her into the wall and killed her?

Because it means he couldn't immediately overwhelm her without tiring her out beforehand. Also how do we know he didn't simply catch her by surprise. Context Nova.

Because Lumiya's telekinesis isn't even remotely approachable to his? Lumiya tires easily anyway - she was tired from just matching Nelani Dinn's telekinesis. It's really not hard to imagine Jacen ragdolling her.

*Shrug* I just don't think we should assume until we have context.

It's not as if Jacen couldn't ragdoll her anyway.

But we would assume that based on relative feats. Not a vision without the proper context.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Zannah stomps.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Except this isn't "Jacen standing over Lumiya's corpse with no context whatsoever", this is Jacen throwing Lumiya into a wall with TK, crushing her skull and killing her.

Ok, so if you saw Obi Wan cutting Anakin in half, would you conclude that it was a curbstomp? You're assuming context that just isn't there.

Not that it matters because I'm not denying Caedus could ragdoll Lumiya; he could ragdoll Zannah too.

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