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No force powers permitted.

Sheev still wins

Sheev but Dooku makes him work for it.

Better idea:
Dooku vs Sheev (both are limited to the same speed and strength augmentation)

Dooku vs Sheev (Sheev has to use Makashi and nothing else)

Dooku vs Sheev (Hand to Hand)

Dooku vs Sheev (Both have 2500 midichlorians)

Better idea:
Dooku vs Sheev (both are limited to the same speed and strength augmentation)
Hmm Sheev still wins

Dooku vs Sheev (Sheev has to use Makashi and nothing else)
Dooku wins

Dooku vs Sheev (Hand to Hand)
Sheev still wins

Dooku vs Sheev (Both have 2500 midichlorians)
Sheev still wins

Stop using his shitty first name, it sucks.

Palpatine sounds ****ing awesome, Sheev sounds like the name of a porno featuring erotic asphyxiation and scat play.

Still Palpatine, lmfao. And easily at that.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Stop using his shitty first name, it sucks.

Palpatine sounds ****ing awesome, Sheev sounds like the name of a porno featuring erotic asphyxiation and scat play.

Yeah, easily?

You know Dooku has beaten Mace before, right?

Originally posted by Sinious
OP should kill himself.

Originally posted by Sinious

You post that as though there's a single person on this forum who hasn't seen it.

Originally posted by Jmanghan

And yet there's someone acting like this thread is such a horrible mismatch when it clearly and obviously isn't.

There's not even a SLIGHT chance that Palpatine will stomp Dooku. Dooku is gonna make him work for the win.

And Dooku has improved since then, so this is a legitimate fight.

Mace has improved since then as well LMFAO

Dooku.

That doesn't equate an automatic win, either.

They've both improved, and I don't see why the outcome would be any different.

What we do know is, Mace fought Dooku after he had already invented Vaapad, and he lost to Jedi Dooku, a much weaker iteration of Dooku.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
That doesn't equate an automatic win, either.

They've both improved, and I don't see why the outcome would be any different.
Because you can't quantify who improved more Jmagmhmahmitnajnfnaman

Seems pretty logical to me.

And Dooku overcoming Mace in sparring doesn't preclude the idea of Mace overcoming Dooku in spars as well.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Dooku.

You troll.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Because you can't quantify who improved more Jmagmhmahmitnajnfnaman

Seems pretty logical to me.

And Dooku overcoming Mace in sparring doesn't preclude the idea of Mace overcoming Dooku in spars as well. Did Mace beat him in sparring?

Dude, Palpatine wins. What are you actually trying to argue? That this is a legitimate fight for him and he won't win 10/10?

Originally posted by Petrus
Dude, Palpatine wins. What are you actually trying to argue? That this is a legitimate fight for him and he won't win 10/10? I'm arguing that it won't be a ****ing cakewalk for him, yes, absolutely. Dooku is going to make him work for the win.

Nai has actually made an excellent case for Dooku winning a saber contest against Sidious. But this was before Disney Canon and Dark Disciple extrapolated his flaws. Make this legends only, and someone talented enough could make an argument for dooku.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm arguing that it won't be a ****ing cakewalk for him, yes, absolutely. Dooku is going to make him work for the win.

Based on what, exactly? This fight would end faster than the Maul Bros one.

If Sidious is aware that his Force powers are not available to him, he won't be ****ing around like he usually does. He'll make short work of the Count.

This is if you believe that he held back against Mace, since Mace and Dooku are practically equals in saber combat.

I don't think he did.

Vaapad gave him an edge over Sidious, and that was enough for Mace to beat him.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Nai has actually made an excellent case for Dooku winning a saber contest against Sidious. But this was before Disney Canon and Dark Disciple extrapolated his flaws. Make this legends only, and someone talented enough could make an argument for dooku.

hang

Originally posted by Jmanghan
This is if you believe that he held back against Mace, since Mace and Dooku are practically equals in saber combat.

I don't think he did.

Vaapad gave him an edge over Sidious, and that was enough for Mace to beat him.

Vaapad and Shatterpoint gave him the edge over Sidious, yes, and that's not something Dooku has. Either way, Mace would win like 3/10 against Sidious, and good luck trying to convince anyone here of the opposite.

Also, even if this is sabers only, Dooku would be scared shitless to face Sidious 1v1, and this most likely will also be a factor.

It will be as much as a cakewalk as it was for Yoda, i.e. a cakewalk.

Yeah, Vjun Dooku couldn't defeat Yoda, so standard Dooku certainly won't be a hard-fought battle for Sidious.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Nai has actually made an excellent case for Dooku winning a saber contest against Sidious. But this was before Disney Canon and Dark Disciple extrapolated his flaws. Make this legends only, and someone talented enough could make an argument for dooku.

jawdrop

Originally posted by Petrus
You troll.

Not trolling. I find Dooku to be more technically skilled.

Technical skill doesn't equate to a win. And I doubt he is, anyway.

How do you come to the conclusion that Dooku beats Sidious in a saber duel when Vjun amped Dooku couldn't defeat Yoda?

It does when the OP states that no Force powers are permitted ( force powers include augmentation ).

First off, Vjun amped Dooku couldn't beat Vjun amped Yoda.

Secondly without augmentation I simply find Dooku to be more skilled then Sidious which allows him to take the win. Dooku was able to keep himself from being overwhelmed by Yoda on Geonosis due to his raw technical skill as he certainly isn't an equal to Yoda in force power. That's better then anything Sidious has demonstrated.

Originally posted by Syndicate
It does when the OP states that no Force powers are permitted ( force powers include augmentation ).

First off, Vjun amped Dooku couldn't beat Vjun amped Yoda.

Secondly without augmentation I simply find Dooku to be more skilled then Sidious which allows him to take the win. Dooku was able to keep himself from being overwhelmed by Yoda on Geonosis due to his raw technical skill as he certainly isn't an equal to Yoda in force power. That's better then anything Sidious has demonstrated.

Vjun amped Yoda? But Vjun is a dark side nexus...

Sidious is a considerably more skilled swordsman than Dooku.

It's never stated to be. It's only ever said to be powerful in the Force. Several lightsiders including Whie, Scout and Anakin state how they feel the Force far more powerfully whilst on planet and Scout and Whie perform feats that are outside their normal capabilities whilst on planet.

Feats that show this? I'd say Yoda not being able to break through the Count's defenses in the amount of time their duel lasted is better then Sidious beating opponents far below his own level.

I don't think he meant with Force augmentation friend, just offensive Force powers.

@Petrus

Sidious is not more skilled at all. He's stronger in the Force and has superior knowledge and control over it - he has better reflexes, speed, agility, stamina and strenght due to that. Palpatine has killer's nature, while Dooku has fencer's nature. Palpatine is much more dangerous, but in a fair fight, with all of their attributes equalized, excluding saber's technique and raw skill, I bet Dooku would win.

But if they will be only limited to use their sabers, then Sidious would win 9 or 10/10. Not with ease though. Even Yoda, Palpatine's superior in sabers (marginally though) had to do some work.

Is there any evidence that Palaptine is skilled with a lightsaber at all?

Yes, canonical statements and the description of how skilled and precise he was while wrecking Maul and Savage.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't think he meant with Force augmentation friend, just offensive Force powers.

Wtf? Sidious rapes.

Without vaapad Windu was getting destroyed by Sidious.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Without vaapad Windu was getting destroyed by Sidious. I don't know why people are ignoring this.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Without vaapad Windu was getting destroyed by Sidious. ...When did this happen? :/

In his head

Nice Coco pic Ziggy

Sexy Coco? RTU?

Silly point anyway given Vapaad is Windu's combat form. We don't say "Without Soresu Kenobi was getting destroyed"

Sidious destroys.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Silly point anyway given Vapaad is Windu's combat form. We don't say "Without Soresu Kenobi was getting destroyed"

He just means the dark side channeling ability I think

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Sidious destroys. If he couldn't easily beat Mace, he isn't going to easily beat Mace's saber equal.

Because Dooku will be receiving the same amp as Mace? Nah. Tyranus is no match for Palpatine's sheer speed, strength and ferocity. And he's outskilled.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
If he couldn't easily beat Mace, he isn't going to easily beat Mace's saber equal.
Mace was amped by the superconductive loop of Vaapad - Dooku doesn't have the same benefit.
Sidious has him out matched, plain and simple.

Ol' Uncle Sheev still wins.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
...When did this happen? :/

In the novelization Windu was barely surviving early on in the fight, which seems to be reflected in the movie.

^ I don't remember Mace barely surviving in the novel. As for the film he was on the defence, that's a legitimate combat strategy against a powerhouse like Palpatine. Doesn't mean he was desperate or barely surviving.


Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Mace was amped by the superconductive loop of Vaapad - Dooku doesn't have the same benefit.
Sidious has him out matched, plain and simple.


The word "amp" is never actually mentioned.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
He just means the dark side channeling ability I think


I know, but I think people go way overboard with the mechanics of how that works.

Mace also channels his inner darkness through Vapaad so is extremely dangerous regardless of who he's fighting.