Crossbones Vs Bane

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Zack M
Pre-Flashpoint Bane.

1. Bane without venom
2. Bane with venom

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leonidas
big advantage to bones because of his love of weapons... we've seen the tubes that provide venom to bane cut and disabled too many times to think some as string and skilled as bane not be able to do it. given that he's matched cap a couple times in speed and strength and is close in skill....no venom bane loses for sure imo. with venom he could def win if he can disarm bones but i don't think it's a sure thing still.

Blue Area Vet
Bones in the first, split in the second. Bones is a bonofide ringer who can sometimes fight Captain America evenly and Cap >> Batman.

abhilegend
Bane breaks him in half.

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
big advantage to bones because of his love of weapons... we've seen the tubes that provide venom to bane cut and disabled too many times to think some as string and skilled as bane not be able to do it. given that he's matched cap a couple times in speed and strength and is close in skill....no venom bane loses for sure imo. with venom he could def win if he can disarm bones but i don't think it's a sure thing still.
Nope. Bane beats bones with or without Venom.

Too strong, too fast, too skilled.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Bane beats bones with or without Venom.

Too strong, too fast, too skilled. let me guess, bones is only a B level character with B List skill and D List gear? In a normal fight, rumlow has banes number before he even gets close. It's only in the second fight that bane actually has a chance to win.

1. Crossbones shoots bane to death 8/10
2. Could go either way

krisblaze
Guns is pretty strong in a matchup like this...

Supermutant
What is Crossbones standard gear? B/c anything short of an automatic weapon, Bane had routinely dodged, tanked, or disarmed. He mostly fights against opponents that use projectiles.

deathslash
Originally posted by Supermutant
What is Crossbones standard gear? B/c anything short of an automatic weapon, Bane had routinely dodged, tanked, or disarmed. He mostly fights against opponents that use projectiles. he usually carries between 2-4 semiautomatic handguns, one full auto submachine gun, 2-4 grenades, one assault rifle (depends on the writer, but it's usually something like an m-16), and a combat knife or two. He has been known to occasionally use a flamethrower, rpg, throwing knives, or even a sniper rifle.

Up close, bane could feasibly take him. At range/standard starting distance, rumlow should have take the win.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
let me guess, bones is only a B level character with B List skill and D List gear?

No, because he has an abysmal record.

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Maybe you should read some Batman comics.

Bane would honestly rip Bones arms off in a fight.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because he has an abysmal record.

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Maybe you should read some Batman comics.

Bane would honestly rip Bones arms off in a fight. I wouldn't call beating down captain america, evenly fighting bucky, evenly fighting falcon, destroying bullseye, matching wolverine, having the upper hand against deadpool, or being taskmaster's best student abysmal. But I'm sure that you have just enough low showings to bring up and normal showings to ignore for us to stretch this argument to the fourth or maybe even fifth page.

He's not going to win. He's been hit plenty of times and had his venom tube cut in a cap load of fights. Rumlow opens up on him with an m-16 at the start of the fight and keeps his distance long enough for bane to sustain serious injuries and then he finishes him up close. It's still a good fight though.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
I wouldn't call beating down captain america, evenly fighting bucky, evenly fighting falcon, destroying bullseye, matching wolverine, having the upper hand against deadpool, or being taskmaster's best student abysmal. But I'm sure that you have just enough low showings to bring up and normal showings to ignore for us to stretch this argument to the fourth or maybe even fifth page.


Considering he had been beaten in every fight of note against Steve, lost to ****ing Black Widow, Misty Knight, Diamondback and likes of that, yes he has an abysmal record.

I like how fighting Falcon or beating Bullseye is supposed to be a feat.

We are talking about Batman level beings here. Not Robin level.

Even without Venom Bane can straight up manhandle Captain America.

Rumlow would get the talon treatment, get ripped limb from limb.

Zack M
Crossbones doesn't get any guns here. He has a knife and that's it. This is mainly a physical fight. Battle of skills, strength, and speed.

Sin I AM
Abhi u feel like Bane is above Cap?

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
Crossbones doesn't get any guns here. He has a knife and that's it. This is mainly a physical fight. Battle of skills, strength, and speed. then I favor Brock in the first fight and he loses after a good fight in the second.Originally posted by Sin I AM
Abhi u feel like Bane is above Cap? shouldn't have asked that. He's going to post scans of that crossover and then state that because bane picked him up, he was getting manhandled and it's canon and nobody can prove otherwise. Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering he had been beaten in every fight of note against Steve, lost to ****ing Black Widow, Misty Knight, Diamondback and likes of that, yes he has an abysmal record.

I like how fighting Falcon or beating Bullseye is supposed to be a feat.

We are talking about Batman level beings here. Not Robin level.

Even without Venom Bane can straight up manhandle Captain America.

Rumlow would get the talon treatment, get ripped limb from limb. in their most recent fight, he was the one that was winning.
wow. I totally wasn't expecting you to bring up low showings and act like they are standard for the character.

You mean the same falcon that was trained by captain America himself or the very same bullseye that has beaten daredevil before?

krisblaze
Without guns Crossbones is absolutely ****ed.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by krisblaze
Without guns Crossbones is absolutely ****ed.

W/o guns, he has bitched Steve Rogers.

Supermutant
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
W/o guns, he has bitched Steve Rogers.

Rogers is no Bane. With Bane there is no escape.

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deathslash
Originally posted by Supermutant
Rogers is no Bane. With Bane there is no escape.

http://www.placesandpredators.com/52/Talon7e.jpg good thing that's new 52 then. What's even better is that bane doesn't have venom in the first fight.

does bane happen to have some sort of feat of resisting getting his throat slit?

Zack M
Bane without venom also no sold Catman's punch. He was also stated to be meta without venom, pre-flashpoint.

CosmicComet
Cap > Bane physically.

Damborgson
I was gonna say...

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
then I favor Brock in the first fight and he loses after a good fight in the second. shouldn't have asked that. He's going to post scans of that crossover and then state that because bane picked him up, he was getting manhandled and it's canon and nobody can prove otherwise. in their most recent fight, he was the one that was winning.
wow. I totally wasn't expecting you to bring up low showings and act like they are standard for the character.

You mean the same falcon that was trained by captain America himself or the very same bullseye that has beaten daredevil before?
Yeah, one showing out of dozens doesn't means much.

You mean Falcon who has no standing as an MA and might as well be a Robin in stature?

Bullseye has beaten Daredevil in h2h? An exhausted Matt destroyed Lester easily. GTFO with this shit. Originally posted by Sin I AM
Abhi u feel like Bane is above Cap?
Yes.

abhilegend
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Cap > Bane physically.
In his dreams. Maybe.

CosmicComet
No. By his feats, factually.

Cap doesn't dream of a man that doesn't exist in his universe, you see.

Zack M
Depends on what Bane. DCnU Bane was casually swinging around a statue and throwing huge boulders. Easily weighing several tons.

abhilegend
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. By his feats, factually.

Cap doesn't dream of a man that doesn't exist in his universe, you see.
Nope. Cap is barely stronger than Batman.

Forget about Bane.

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JayDaDon
Didn't Batman straight beat the ***** outta Bane with his bare hands?

RadZoa
Crossbones would curl up into the fetal position in a puddle of his own piss, crying and begging Bane not to kill him.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Didn't Batman straight beat the ***** outta Bane with his bare hands?
Yes, because he is more skilled.

Bane is far stronger though.

krisblaze
On average I wouldn't say that Cap is stronger than Bane.

Cap is a bit stronger than Batman...

abhilegend
Originally posted by krisblaze
On average I wouldn't say that Cap is stronger than Bane.

Cap is a bit stronger than Batman...
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Vanguard
I bet Cap can press 2 tons. That's about Bane's max.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Vanguard
I bet Cap can press 2 tons. That's about Bane's max.
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Zack M
Originally posted by Vanguard
I bet Cap can press 2 tons. That's about Bane's max.


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leonidas
Originally posted by krisblaze
On average I wouldn't say that Cap is stronger than Bane.

Cap is a bit stronger than Batman...

i'd agree with that. and bones is as strong as cap--or very close any way according to daredevil. dd confirmed that bones is at least low level superhuman when he admitted he couldn't read bones like he can't read cap.

not sure how anyone can say this isn't anything but very close. even you abhi. bones is an evil cap--nearly as strong, nearly as skilled. he has strength feats close to bane--killing vamps and werewolves with his hands, he's beaten cap, beaten matt. bane has beaten bats but also had his a$$ kicked by him a couple times. bones has beaten cap and been beaten. skill can beat bane. bones isn't as skilled as cap but he's not far off which means he is certainly around bane's level if not better. he's shrugged off bullets and knives like bane AND he has a knife in this fight.

w/o venom and with the knife i'd take bones for sure since they are about equal in every way. take the knife away and it's pretty much a toss-up imo. w/venom, depends if bones can sever the venom flow. bane would win if he can't. look through feats of both and they are extremely close. saying otherwise makes no real sense.

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
i'd agree with that. and bones is as strong as cap--or very close any way according to daredevil. dd confirmed that bones is at least low level superhuman when he admitted he couldn't read bones like he can't read cap.

not sure how anyone can say this isn't anything but very close. even you abhi. bones is an evil cap--nearly as strong, nearly as skilled. he has strength feats close to bane--killing vamps and werewolves with his hands, he's beaten cap, beaten matt. bane has beaten bats but also had his a$$ kicked by him a couple times. bones has beaten cap and been beaten. skill can beat bane. bones isn't as skilled as cap but he's not far off which means he is certainly around bane's level if not better. he's shrugged off bullets and knives like bane AND he has a knife in this fight.

w/o venom and with the knife i'd take bones for sure since they are about equal in every way. take the knife away and it's pretty much a toss-up imo. w/venom, depends if bones can sever the venom flow. bane would win if he can't. look through feats of both and they are extremely close. saying otherwise makes no real sense.
srsly

Cap just overpowers Bones. Not through skills.

Bones has beaten Steve once in Thunderbolts. Pretty much every other time, he got his ass kicked.

Batman doesn't overpowers Bane. It's always his skills that comes into play.

It's not even close BTW.

abhilegend
Heck, Cap beat him WITHOUT SSS.

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Even Bucky beat him with one punch.

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iceman24567
Originally posted by krisblaze
On average I wouldn't say that Cap is stronger than Bane.

Cap is a bit stronger than Batman... thumb up

krisblaze
Originally posted by leonidas
i'd agree with that. and bones is as strong as cap--or very close any way according to daredevil. dd confirmed that bones is at least low level superhuman when he admitted he couldn't read bones like he can't read cap.

not sure how anyone can say this isn't anything but very close. even you abhi. bones is an evil cap--nearly as strong, nearly as skilled. he has strength feats close to bane--killing vamps and werewolves with his hands, he's beaten cap, beaten matt. bane has beaten bats but also had his a$$ kicked by him a couple times. bones has beaten cap and been beaten. skill can beat bane. bones isn't as skilled as cap but he's not far off which means he is certainly around bane's level if not better. he's shrugged off bullets and knives like bane AND he has a knife in this fight.

w/o venom and with the knife i'd take bones for sure since they are about equal in every way. take the knife away and it's pretty much a toss-up imo. w/venom, depends if bones can sever the venom flow. bane would win if he can't. look through feats of both and they are extremely close. saying otherwise makes no real sense.

It's probably because while a lot of people are as strong as Cap, like Red Skull or Crossbones, no one has Cap's feats. Which is why I generally don't pay much attention to the line of argument that goes along the lines of:

"CB is as strong as Cap. Cap can lift this, can Bane?"

I think it's better to understand Crossbones in comparison to Cap and Bane in comparison to Batman. And in such a comparison Bane usually looks much, much stronger than Batman. Batman certainly wins a lot, but Bane almost always has the upper hand, looks physically superior, etc.

Also, Crossbones has only really beaten Cap when Cap was amnesiac/weak-willed or something. CB looked really good in Ellis' run, but even then he didn't really come off as Cap's equal, and certainly not his superior. Crossbones' best has him as Cap's equal, but Bane's best is downright superhuman.

Supermutant
New 52 Bane feats are superior to Crossbones in every stat. He also didn't have the tubing at one point, DC should had kept him that way.

deathslash
Originally posted by krisblaze
It's probably because while a lot of people are as strong as Cap, like Red Skull or Crossbones, no one has Cap's feats. Which is why I generally don't pay much attention to the line of argument that goes along the lines of:

"CB is as strong as Cap. Cap can lift this, can Bane?"

I think it's better to understand Crossbones in comparison to Cap and Bane in comparison to Batman. And in such a comparison Bane usually looks much, much stronger than Batman. Batman certainly wins a lot, but Bane almost always has the upper hand, looks physically superior, etc.

Also, Crossbones has only really beaten Cap when Cap was amnesiac/weak-willed or something. CB looked really good in Ellis' run, but even then he didn't really come off as Cap's equal, and certainly not his superior. Crossbones' best has him as Cap's equal, but Bane's best is downright superhuman. that could certainly be the case when we're talking about bane with the use of his venom or new 52, but in their first fight, bane doesn't have venom. Does he still come across as an outright superhuman without the venom? In some appearances, sure; but not all the time. Some of bane's best feats involve prep, ambushing his enemy, or the use of venom; all of which he doesn't have in the first fight.

Again, I think that crossbones wins around 6-7/10 in the first match with difficulty and bane wins more often than not in the the second round.
Originally posted by Supermutant
New 52 Bane feats are superior to Crossbones in every stat. He also didn't have the tubing at one point, DC should had kept him that way.
C'mon man. Read the stips. This is post crisis bane, not new 52.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
that could certainly be the case when we're talking about bane with the use of his venom or new 52, but in their first fight, bane doesn't have venom. Does he still come across as an outright superhuman without the venom? In some appearances, sure; but not all the time. Some of bane's best feats involve prep, ambushing his enemy, or the use of venom; all of which he doesn't have in the first fight.

Again, I think that crossbones wins around 6-7/10 in the first match with difficulty and bane wins more often than not in the the second round.

C'mon man. Read the stips. This is post crisis bane, not new 52.
Since Knightfall and No Man's Land, Bane rarely used venom. Nearly all of his feats are without venom.

Crossbones isn't that strong to begin with.

With Venom he can go toe to toe with Hourman who is a class 60-80 guy.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Since Knightfall and No Man's Land, Bane rarely used venom. Nearly all of his feats are without venom.

Crossbones isn't that strong to begin with.

With Venom he can go toe to toe with Hourman who is a class 60-80 guy. not that strong? Rumlow has snapped a werewolf's neck using one hand while killing another with a single punch.

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Zack M
Bane snapped a dinosaurs neck, I think. Or was is it's jaw.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Supermutant
New 52 Bane feats are superior to Crossbones in every stat. He also didn't have the tubing at one point, DC should had kept him that way.

Yeah New 52 would be a stomp.

This is pre-flashpoint though, so a bit more reasonable at least.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
not that strong? Rumlow has snapped a werewolf's neck using one hand while killing another with a single punch.

scans?
Is that supposed to be impressive? What feats did those werewolves had?

Bane has actually restrained Cheetah without venom.

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Bane is actually not on venom in that fight.

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Supermutant
Originally posted by deathslash
C'mon man. Read the stips. This is post crisis bane, not new 52.

I know that-- just saying why even used a weaker version of a character when his history wasn't affected by the new 52 unlike most others. That's like using Beast before he got all hairy. Who gives a crap if someone could possible beat hairless Beast, the real question is can they beat him now. The same for Bane.

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