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Anakin surpasses Maul by everything except possibly pain tolerance by RotS. So, at what point does he actually surpass Maul?

Tbh I reckon Maul had him through the whole of TCW but from then on idk

Nah Anakin had him throughout TCW.

Maul was revived at the end of S4. Skywalker was already close to Dooku by then.

Yeah but he had the form advantage. Dooku was more skilful

TCW Dooku is a lessened version of his Legends self, Maul is certainly on level with him.

Plus you know Kenobi and Maul were peers. Think Anakin and Dooku were above them both.

Anakin beat the Darth Maul hologram program as a teen in the Obi-Wan and Anakin comic, so I'd say by the beginning of TCW, he could beat at least TPM Maul. Idk about TWC reborn-Maul

Never.

AotC.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Never.

Hey Syn!

Do you have knives at home? If you do would you mind slicing your wrists with one of them?

Thank you in advance.

My mom doesn't let me play with the knives.

It's ok. If you do it right she won't be able to punish you.

:O Really?

How Mr. Zoltan?

You have to cut along your arm, not across.

http://images.uncyc.org/commons/thumb/f/fc/Cutterwrist.jpg/350px-Cutterwrist.jpg

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You have to cut along your arm, not across.

http://images.uncyc.org/commons/thumb/f/fc/Cutterwrist.jpg/350px-Cutterwrist.jpg

Hmmm. I'm going to need a demonstration old buddy old pal. Without being able to copy the exact moves of a professional I feel I won't be able to carry out this action with any success.

That was so weak. You basically said you are too retarded to even kill yourself. That's a new low.

I told you I don't want my mom to yell at me for playing with the knives. I just want to make sure I do it right. So, what do you say Mr. Zoltan?

mmm

The answer is matricide.

You guys have dark humour.

Wondering wtf is going in in the OTF, probably joking about pizza or some shit.

Imma go there, I think.

Yup.

cz is definitely one of the best shit posters on KMC. Too bad he wastes his skills on the unworthy.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Anakin surpasses Maul by everything except possibly pain tolerance by RotS. So, at what point does he actually surpass Maul? Not sure if I'd even give Maul pain tolerance, given Vader's reaction to the Mustafar incident, which was "RAAAAAGHFHGH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAWWWB YOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU"

As for when Anakin surpasses Maul, without accounting for any circumstances like emotions, rage amps, etc, I'd say either coming up to or just before RotS. Mid-late TCW I'd say it's either way, beginning of TCW I would give it to Maul slightly. Circa-AotC Anakin has no chance. TPM Anakin stomps though.

He isn't defeating TCW Anakin anytime soon.

At some point in TCW after the character redesign in season 3 where many of the characters got updated appearances

So I wonder how Marco is doing after Maul admitted his inferiority to Vader..

Tcw Anakin is overrated tbh, he isn't exactly shit though. In ROTS Anakin really started to hit his straps

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So I wonder how Marco is doing after Maul admitted his inferiority to Vader..
By claiming Rebels Maul has declined to Savage level.

Saw it on CV

He has TPM Maul-Savage-Rebels on the same level.

TPM Maul is still pretty damn good.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
TPM Maul is still pretty damn good.

Exactly. Erkan is being too lenient on Rebels Maul.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
TPM Maul is still pretty damn good. He is excellent. Crushing s Jedi master and skill wise easily beating Kenobi when he became mentally unbalanced.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
By claiming Rebels Maul has declined to Savage level.

Saw it on CV


Originally posted by ILS
He has TPM Maul-Savage-Rebels on the same level.




Ah seen. So he'd prefer having Maul become weaker than accept Prime Vader > Prime Maul.

Pretty much.

It is honestly not so much of a stretch, to believe that Maul's combat skills have waned since The Clone Wars. It's only logical, and I don't see any valid allusions to why he might be more formidable than his younger self.

^ Well what's he been doing for the last 15 years? He came back more powerful in TCW after spending 10 years in a straight jacket eating garbage.

But his training was so ingrained in him, that he got back to form quickly.

Now his Rage is stronger than ever after the Sith have killed both Mother Talzin and Savage Opress, but he's been searching for ways to overpower the Sith.

So it's actually a lot more logical for him to be even more powerful now tbh.

Yup

It's the opposite of logical to assume his powers waned, yeah.

Characters I like aren't allowed to be weaker than anyone, tbh.

How's that work if you like multiple characters?

^ You make a list of your favourites. Your no.1 fav will be the most invincible in forum debates.

But Freshest says any character he likes isn't allowed to be weaker than anyone, the other characters he likes would fall under those anyones? Thus there will always be a character who is weaker.

I only like one character.

Is it Bane?

Close.

Is it me?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Characters I like .

Hmm?

Characters..plural Freshest.

The only character he likes is Vader.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Hmm?

Characters..plural Freshest.
Anakin and Vader are two different people.

And since Vader bent the knee, so too will you.

Vader sucks tbh.

Maul was afraid of Vader tbh.

In fact, Filoni flat out confirms that Maul was originally going to die at Vader's hands in the season 2 finale.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
In fact, Filoni flat out confirms that Maul was originally going to die at Vader's hands in the season 2 finale.

He did? Where?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Maul was afraid of Vader tbh. An older version without the backing of an empire. Palpatine tried to leave a fair one on one fight against Yoda tbh. He also begged Windu not to kill him to tbh. Pretty pathetic tbh.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
He did? Where?

Here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
An older version without the backing of an empire. Palpatine tried to leave a fair one on one fight against Yoda tbh. He also begged Windu not to kill him to tbh. Pretty pathetic tbh.

Maul threw himself at the "empire" without hesitation, taking on 3 Inquisitors. Vader was a different story entirely.

Calm down, quan. You said Vader sucks, I'm just reminding you that Maul was afraid of him and was apparently going to die at his hands.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Here.



Maul threw himself at the "empire" without hesitation, taking on 3 Inquisitors. Vader was a different story entirely.

Calm down, quan. You said Vader sucks, I'm just reminding you that Maul was afraid of him and was apparently going to die at his hands. Due to Maul facing inferior competition out of his prime. Would Jordan be smart if he challenged Lebron in his current state ?

I am calm. Maul is out of his prime just as Kenobi was when he let Vader best him. Vader hasn't even bested Maul. Maul didn't die. Maul is fine. Fear of death is what keeps us alive. Maybe Palpatine should have been afraid since Vader killed him. How ironic.

Huh interesting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to Maul facing inferior competition out of his prime. Would Jordan be smart if he challenged Lebron in his current state ?

No one's saying Maul isn't smart for avoiding Vader.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am calm. Maul is out of his prime just as Kenobi was when he let Vader best him. Vader hasn't even bested Maul. Maul didn't die. Maul is fine. Fear of death is what keeps us alive. Maybe Palpatine should have been afraid since Vader killed him. How ironic.



Nah, you're unloading a bunch of excuses for why Maul is afraid of Vader. I love Maul, Maul's great. No one's attacking Maul by saying he's afraid of Vader and that Vader would have killed him. They're just saying Vader's better.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No one's saying Maul isn't smart for avoiding Vader.



Nah, you're unloading a bunch of excuses for why Maul is afraid of Vader. I love Maul, Maul's great. No one's attacking Maul by saying he's afraid of Vader and that Vader would have killed him. They're just saying Vader's better. Well you're ignoring he's out of his prime. Maul at his best wouldn't avoid Vader.

I am using common sense. Vader isn't better. Vader was slower and not very maneuverable unlike a prime Maul. When it comes to emotions not many are weaker than "I can't wait to jump ship again when my emotions overcome me," Darth Vader.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well you're ignoring he's out of his prime. Maul at his best wouldn't avoid Vader.

What evidence is there that Maul's out of his prime? lol

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am using common sense. Vader isn't better. Vader was slower and not very maneuverable unlike a prime Maul. When it comes to emotions not many are weaker than "I can't wait to jump ship again when my emotions overcome me," Darth Vader.

lol

Vader handled Ahsoka, who's maneuverable and agile as hell, just fine. Vader also tried to kill Ahsoka without hesitation. That emotional weakness doesn't kick in until Luke comes along.

Vader's better.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
What evidence is there that Maul's out of his prime? lol



lol

Vader handled Ahsoka, who's maneuverable and agile as hell, just fine. Vader also tried to kill Ahsoka without hesitation. That emotional weakness doesn't kick in until Luke comes along.

Vader's better. Other than age and common sense ? Do you feel Maul is at his best in rebels and his performance is comparable to his height at the end of clone wars ?

That doesn't make him more maneuverable than she is. It just means he overcame his former student. It's always been there just as he was always susceptible to corruption.

Maul's better. Vader benefited from being on the side of an empire against a weaker era than during the prequels.

Quanchi's butt hurt over Vader being > Maul is funny.

Poor Marco though. I think he'd be close to a heart attack if he read this conversation.

Marco is awesome

Originally posted by Darth Thor


Quanchi's butt hurt over Vader being > Maul is funny.

Poor Marco though. I think he'd be close to a heart attack if he read this conversation. Vader isn't better than a prime Maul. Where on earth are you getting that from ?

Just because Vader killed a Kenobi(let's forget about the fact he let him) out of his prime doesn't mean he beats Kenobi in his prime. This is simple logic. If Lebron james beats Jordan today does that mean he beats him at his best.

Logic ftw.

Originally posted by Trocity
Marco is awesome Who is Marco ?

If Maul is confirmed to be legitimately afraid to even face Vader, then I'll be impressed. We're talking about the guy who readily throws himself into the mix with Palpatine and Windu (well, not so much Palpatine until SoD).

Originally posted by ILS
If Maul is confirmed to be legitimately afraid to even face Vader, then I'll be impressed. We're talking about the guy who readily throws himself into the mix with Palpatine and Windu (well, not so much Palpatine until SoD).



I think that's only stated through Maul's line in Rebels. Maul being afraid wasn't specifically confirmed by Filoni. Filoni's just confirmed Maul would die to Vader if/when he fights him, which Maul seems to know himself.

Originally posted by ILS
If Maul is confirmed to be legitimately afraid to even face Vader, then I'll be impressed. We're talking about the guy who readily throws himself into the mix with Palpatine and Windu (well, not so much Palpatine until SoD).

I doubt he'd do that as of Rebels, though. Dude won't readily throw himself into the mix with Kanan and Ahsoka, forget Palpatine.

Maul only threw himself into the mix with Palpatine when he had Talzin's support. He still turned out to be an afterthought in the contest of the two above, anyway.

And he was scared shitless when Palpatine turned up on Mandalore, despite having Savage by his side. He's pretty much always been in awe/fear of Sheev, tbh. But then again, so was Vader.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Maul only threw himself into the mix with Palpatine when he had Talzin's support. He still turned out to be an afterthought in the contest of the two above, anyway.

And he was scared shitless when Palpatine turned up on Mandalore, despite having Savage by his side. He's pretty much always been in awe/fear of Sheev, tbh. But then again, so was Vader. He wasn't ready for Sheev then and he also knew Palpatine was a lot more powerful. Later on he didn't have the same fear/awe/respect for Palpatine. Unlike Dooku he fought back and didn't just die like Dooku.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I doubt he'd do that as of Rebels, though. Dude won't readily throw himself into the mix with Kanan and Ahsoka, forget Palpatine. He threw his lightsaber into Kanan's face.

With all the new information on Maul how does this change?

TPM Anakin is already >>>>>>>>>>> Maul. Based on powerscaling, as Anakin was a fetus, or earlier.

TCW

The day he was born.

Late TCW.

Possible parity during attack of the clones in Legends. He's already on this level during the TCW movie in Canon.

Originally posted by ILS
If Maul is confirmed to be legitimately afraid to even face Vader, then I'll be impressed. We're talking about the guy who readily throws himself into the mix with Palpatine and Windu (well, not so much Palpatine until SoD). Coward.

shortly after TPM

Originally posted by relentless1
shortly after TPM Yep.

From the day he was born.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/5005710-anakin+solos.png

I'd say the most likely answer is that he surpassed Maul sometime during the Clone Wars.

Anakin's power levels are weird because in Ep 3 we see Obi Wan get easily owned by Dooku and Anakin ends up killing Dooku by himself after only a couple of minutes. Yet obviously when Anakin and Obi Wan fight Anakin loses. There is even the part where they each try to do a force push and they seem to stalemate each other. I found this odd, because just a force push wouldn't be about skill, but raw power. Which Anakin is supposed to have more raw power than Obi Wan. When Anakin began tapping into the darkside at the end his powers should have been at a level beyond what they were at the beginning when he killed Dooku.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'd say the most likely answer is that he surpassed Maul sometime during the Clone Wars.

Anakin's power levels are weird because in Ep 3 we see Obi Wan get easily owned by Dooku and Anakin ends up killing Dooku by himself after only a couple of minutes. Yet obviously when Anakin and Obi Wan fight Anakin loses. There is even the part where they each try to do a force push and they seem to stalemate each other. I found this odd, because just a force push wouldn't be about skill, but raw power. Which Anakin is supposed to have more raw power than Obi Wan. When Anakin began tapping into the darkside at the end his powers should have been at a level beyond what they were at the beginning when he killed Dooku. Not necessarily. You have to be refined in TK as well. Remember when Anakin force pushed Dooku in TCW movie and he just tanked it and returned the push back successfully? Technically Anakin should win with more raw power but Dooku was much more refined.

Originally posted by Kurk
Not necessarily. You have to be refined in TK as well. Remember when Anakin force pushed Dooku in TCW movie and he just tanked it and returned the push back successfully? Technically Anakin should win with more raw power but Dooku was much more refined.

I suppose that is true. I just feel like that was an opportunity to showcase Anakin was truly the more powerful one. Since I think some people were confused as to why Obi Wan was able to last much longer against Anakin than Dooku could.

I feel like if the fight had taken place on a planet that didn't have all this lava and there were no environmental obstacles to speak of..Anakin would have most certainly killed Obi Wan.

Originally posted by relentless1
shortly after TPM Idiocy. Shame Vader ended up like this with years of practice and increased power to Kenobi his inferior master.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/21d12f4068f71234191e383aee8fab7d/tumblr_mw0mufjB7a1qdeqbpo1_500.gif

If I was Palpatine I would have just kicked Anakin's body into the lava.