Anakin vs Palpatine (Sabers Only)

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.



Jmanghan
Who takes this?

quanchi112
Anakin at what point in time ?

DarthAnt66
Even if the comments in this thread are vastly in favor of Palpatine, the fact this thread was made in the first place is a massive victory for the Anakin Brigade. thumb up

Anyway, I think Palpatine's Dun Moch would easily put down Skywalker.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You're acting like there's actually an Anakin Brigade.

Deronn_solo
laughing out loud

Jmanghan
Well, I saw in other threads that Anakin was beating Vader, as well as Luke, who are comparable to Palpy in sabers.

So I figured maybe Anakin would give him a good fight.

I don't even have Palpatine as the best Sith Duelist.

Deronn_solo
Who do you have as the best Sith duelist, then?

DarthAnt66
Who do you have above Palpatine...?

Jmanghan
Dooku, or Krayt.

My top 2 duelists.

Deronn_solo
...alright then...

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Dooku, or Krayt.

My top 2 duelists.
Well, we know Palpatine is more skilled than Dooku, so that can't be right.

And why is Krayt above Palpatine? erm

Jmanghan
Nah, lol.

Palpatine's my top.

Though I have Luke above him.

AncientPower
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You're acting like there's actually an Anakin Brigade.

NewGuy, Ant and myself, I'm certain we'll grow in time.

chingchangwalla
Anakin.

AncientPower
Knightfall Vader > Amped Luke > DE Palpatine. thumb up

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by AncientPower
NewGuy, Ant and myself, I'm certain we'll grow in time.
And Nova. thumb up

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You're less of a brigade than the SWTOR brigade. And that's not even a brigade. thumb up

Syndicate
DC and Ellimist are also Anakin supporters.

SunRazer
Yoda's canonically more skilled than Dooku, lol. AotC and Y: DR make that blatantly obvious. And Sidious is also clearly more skilled than Tyranus - so he's automatically out of the top three, even in his own era.

Ziggystardust
Yoda is canonically more skilled than Palaptine as per the ROTS script:

YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.

Furnace-heart Anakain beat Dooku far more soundly than Yoda did. Soooo.

chingchangwalla
Lmao Ant. That photo.

Syndicate
It's pretty great.

Beniboybling
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You're acting like there's actually an Anakin Brigade. It's all the more amusing when you remember this gem:Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I didn't think this had to actually be explained, but sure, I'll do it.

Everyone you will debate on these boards already have a pretty locked down opinion on how Star Wars goes and who beats who. You're not going to change Nephthys' opinion that the Hero of Tython isn't better than Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're not going to make FreshestSlice believe that Darth Vader is weaker than Darth Bane. No matter what argument you can bring forward, it won't work. And the reason isn't that they are simply ignorant and won't change their views. It's that the arguments you are bringing forward has already been brought to them before, dozens and dozens of times. We've all seen the quotes that puts Palpatine as the most powerful Sith Lord in history. We've all seen the statements declaring Skywalker as potentially the greatest Jedi of all time. We've seen it across countless debates and we've all formed a 101 reasons why it means nothing and its supporters have made 101 reasons why it should be perceived as law. You aren't bringing anything new to the table, just following in the footsteps of all those who came before you. Your arguments aren't special. They aren't unique. They've been used many times and honestly, in most instances, with far greater logic than what you're doing. It's the reason why as you go across the forums preaching why Luke Skywalker is so great, no one is really caring. We've all seen it before. We've all heard the praise and also the reasons why he stinks. It's the reason why this forum is dying: every debate that could have happened has already happened. You're late to the party and trying to argue stuff that everyone already has battled over for months and years. No one really cares anymore. Unless you actually bring something new to the table, no one's going to listen. And when you bring something old and then act as if you are the discoverer of this grand new idea, expect for members to laugh at you for it, like we all are here.

Revan wins. thumb up http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2570579909.png

DarthAnt66
Such cancer.

Even despite that, reflecting on the darkest of days, I can go to sleep at night knowing that while I have since been cured of my disease and have seen the light, Beni has not.

Beni was born with a tumor. A relatively large one. It grows and grows and now - especially now - you see the effects.

For other members, they may reveal their symptoms every so often. But with Beni, there is literally no escape. Every debate. Every post. Every thought.

Cancer. Cancer. Cancer.

Before, the cancer was just a state of mind. But it has intensified to such a point that it has manifested itself into a physical reality.

So, I sleep knowing that one day he will die - betrayed by the very own building blocks that make him up.

And it will be beautiful.

rolling on floor laughing

Beniboybling
Lmao, I just hope you're ready to bend the knee when Elliminst finally returns. smile

DarthAnt66
I've talked to Ellim since his ban. He even says he's possibly going to raise Revan above Darth Vader and Galen Marek.

It's tragic that your story doesn't end happily. smile

Actually, just joking. It's wonderful.

Jmanghan
Can't wait for Ellimist to come back.

Beniboybling
Yeah, I reckon he'll troll Ant regardless lmao

Darth Thor
Originally posted by AncientPower
NewGuy, Ant and myself, I'm certain we'll grow in time.


You guys do realize that Anakin and Vader are the same person right? I know some pure OT Vader fans try to ignore that, but it's true.

So I don't really get having an "Anakin" brigade, saying Anakin's >>> Vader! Or vice versa.

AncientPower
Because there are those who don't see the greatness of Anakin and why Vader still never gained the power he had before.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by AncientPower
Because there are those who don't see the greatness of Anakin and why Vader still never gained the power he had before.


Considering Vader's just his older self and actually got superior feats (aside from Mortis), I'm not sure why some of you guys are trying to pit the same guy against himself. They're "both" >>> Maul and Dooku, but still below Yoda and Palpatine (for the most part).

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You guys do realize that Anakin and Vader are the same person right? I know some pure OT Vader fans try to ignore that, but it's true.

I don't know about Ant, but that's the angle I'm hitting it from. That said, they're very different combatants, so obviously they can't be looked at as if Anakin streamlines into being Vader; there's a pretty important de-limbing and roasting that happens somewhere in the mix.

EmperorSidious2
Palpatine

Kurk
Unless Anakin has just watched Palpatine rape his mom, Ahsoka, and Padme in front of him, Sheev wins.

Rebel95
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You guys do realize that Anakin and Vader are the same person right? I know some pure OT Vader fans try to ignore that, but it's true.

So I don't really get having an "Anakin" brigade, saying Anakin's >>> Vader! Or vice versa.
Yup. Some people are so adamant that Anakin is superior to Vader (despite the large amount of evidence that says he's not), simply because they have a hard on for Anakin, even though it's the same person lol. Just enjoy the character as a whole.

On another note, what was Ellimist banned for? I'm assuming it was creating an excessive amount of threads lol.

Rebel95
To be on topic though, Anakin might have a chance if this is zonakin. Otherwise Sidious wins for sure.

Syndicate
Is this really serious? Both the thread and the responses. I honestly can't tell anymore. I thought the Anakin stuff was some big elaborate joke but it seems like it's gone on too long for that to be the case.

Like, I mean, honestly, Darth Sidious vs Anakin? Are we honestly debating this? Don't you guys think this is a tad bit ridiculous?

DarthAnt66
I mean, Palpatine's going to win, but going up against the greatest Jedi in history is going to be a challenge, lmfao.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Syndicate
Is this really serious? Both the thread and the responses. I honestly can't tell anymore. I thought the Anakin stuff was some big elaborate joke but it seems like it's gone on too long for that to be the case.

Like, I mean, honestly, Darth Sidious vs Anakin? Are we honestly debating this? Don't you guys think this is a tad bit ridiculous?


Well it is "Sabers only".

And Mace beat him didn't he? So it is possible in a Saber only scenario, especially given Anakin's like a pretty dope Jedi. Like easily the 3rd most powerful. Possibly 2nd.

Plus there's always One Off's like Anakin dominating The Son and Daughter... So let's not pretend it's not at all possible.

Syndicate
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I mean, Palpatine's going to win, but going up against the greatest Jedi in history is going to be a challenge, lmfao.

I'm not debating that Anakin is powerful when enraged but I don't think he's on or approaching Sidious's level even in that state to be quite frank.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Syndicate
I'm not debating that Anakin is powerful when enraged but I don't think he's on or approaching Sidious's level even in that state to be quite frank.

Don't think even in that state he could challenge Sidious even in a "Sabers Only" contest.

Syndicate
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well it is "Sabers only".

And Mace beat him didn't he? So it is possible in a Saber only scenario, especially given Anakin's like a pretty dope Jedi. Like easily the 3rd most powerful. Possibly 2nd.

Plus there's always One Off's like Anakin dominating The Son and Daughter... So let's not pretend it's not at all possible.

Mace beating him is a hotly debated subject which I won't get into because there's no need. Mace was massively amped.

I mean guys, Anakin was having trouble even perceiving Mace and Sidious. I'm not saying he'd be unable to react because of course force users have precognition but in a standard state Anakin is just outclassed.

quanchi112
Sidious wins. I mean come on.

Syndicate
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Don't think even in that state he could challenge Sidious even in a "Sabers Only" contest.

Maybe? But honestly probably not. Sidious straight out bltized 4 Council Members which, while I know we all like to joke about, we know for a fact were comparable to someone like Kenobi given Fisto was stated to be outright faster then him only 2 years before. While Dooku's probably faster then these Council Members Anakin certainly didn't blitz him. Sidious is just on another level entirely.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Syndicate
Mace beating him is a hotly debated subject which I won't get into because there's no need. Mace was massively amped.

I mean guys, Anakin was having trouble even perceiving Mace and Sidious. I'm not saying he'd be unable to react because of course force users have precognition but in a standard state Anakin is just outclassed.


Actually he did perceive them. They just "looked" like they were vanishing.

And btw Sidious was a blur to Mace as well, yet Mace was fighting him off.

As for the Massive Amp, the word Amp was never once mentioned in the passage. Not once. What was mentioned was redirecting Palpatine's darkness back at him. Well Djem So actually specialises in the physical act of redirecting an opponents power...

So again, Skywalker's not necessarily completely outclassed in Sabers. At least not Peak Anakin that is. And by Peak I'm not even talking Mortis Anakin.

Syndicate
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actually he did perceive them. They just "looked" like they were vanishing.

And btw Sidious was a blur to Mace as well, yet Mace was fighting him off.

As for the Massive Amp, the word Amp was never once mentioned in the passage. Not once. What was mentioned was redirecting Palpatine's darkness back at him. Well Djem So actually specialises in the physical act of redirecting an opponents power...

So again, Skywalker's not necessarily completely outclassed in Sabers. At least not Peak Anakin that is. And by Peak I'm not even talking Mortis Anakin.

I didn't say he couldn't. I said he was "having trouble" doing so.

Quote? Regardless, appearing as a blur to Mace and "vanishing in and out of existence" to Anakin are two different levels of perception trouble.

Oh, you're one of those that don't believe Mace was amped. You're fine Thor, I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about people that believe Mace was amping himself off of Sidious but still believe Anakin can compete.

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Darth Thor
As for the Massive Amp, the word Amp was never once mentioned in the passage. Not once. What was mentioned was redirecting Palpatine's darkness back at him. Well Djem So actually specialises in the physical act of redirecting an opponents power...

lmao

Syndicate
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lmao

Lol. thumb up

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Sidious eats him out

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Sidious eats him out

Not sure this means he wins or loses mmm

quanchi112
D. Thor is a Vader fanboy. Maybe he just pilots himself to victory, right D Thor ?

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Syndicate
I didn't say he couldn't. I said he was "having trouble" doing so.

Quote? Regardless, appearing as a blur to Mace and "vanishing in and out of existence" to Anakin are two different levels of perception trouble.


Unfortunately I don't have my copy of ROTS novel on me.

But he basically refers to Palpatine as the Blur of Sith or something, and this is long after he's deep into Vapaad.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Oh, you're one of those that don't believe Mace was amped. You're fine Thor, I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about people that believe Mace was amping himself off of Sidious but still believe Anakin can compete.


Yes a lot of Vapaad comes to our own beliefs on it as the superconducting loop is not a well defined process.

But I'm just pointing out a fact. That the words Amp, or Feed, or Drain are never once mentioned.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lmao



Form V: Shien/Djem So
Focuses on turning attacks back on opponents

Source: SW: Absolutely Everything You Need To Know



So the Canon description noted deflecting the opponents power back toward them as the primary focus of Form 5.

Then note that Skywalker was the finest Djem So user Count Dooku had ever seen.


Carry on laughing now thumb up

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Not sure this means he wins or loses mmm

That's a W, given their respective ages.

Syndicate
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Unfortunately I don't have my copy of ROTS novel on me.

But he basically refers to Palpatine as the Blur of Sith or something, and this is long after he's deep into Vapaad.




Yes a lot of Vapaad comes to our own beliefs on it as the superconducting loop is not a well defined process.

But I'm just pointing out a fact. That the words Amp, or Feed, or Drain are never once mentioned.

That's alright, I believe you.

Fair enough.

Beniboybling
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Form V: Shien/Djem So
Focuses on turning attacks back on opponents

Source: SW: Absolutely Everything You Need To Know



So the Canon description noted deflecting the opponents power back toward them as the primary focus of Form 5.

Then note that Skywalker was the finest Djem So user Count Dooku had ever seen.


Carry on laughing now thumb up Yeah that's, that's not the same.

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Carry on laughing now thumb up

Thank you, I will.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah that's, that's not the same.


Didn't say it was the same.

I'm pointing out Djem So does physically what Vapaad has been overly hyped to do metaphysically.

And it's certainly better well defined in the way that it does it. And we are talking about the numero uno Djem So user. Not like any average joe using Djem So to go up against Sidious.

Beniboybling
Except it doesn't lol, not only are they not the same, they are not remotely the same.

Djem So works by following up blocks and parries with swift ripostes, Vaapad works by channelling the Force fury of your opponent back at them. Something Djem So cannot achieve through any means, no matter how good you are, it's an apples and oranges comparison.

Darth Thor
^ Define Force Fury

Beniboybling
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Define Force Fury The dark side energy of your opponent, channelled against you in combat.

Darth Thor
^ Okay. Still not sure what exactly is being redirected back.

But Redirecting a Physical Saber attack back at an opponent is what Djem So does. Just like Shien literally redirects blaster bolts back to their source (which ironically is what Vapaad's superconducting loop was directly compared to).

Beniboybling
He's feeding of Palpatine's rage, in a form of presumably Consume Essence, and then using that to empower his own offense (while also channeling his own "inner darkness" into that offense), and in this way creating a feedback loop of sorts.

Which is on entirely different level to blocking and riposting. He's redirecting Force energy, not physical strikes. Which is why Vaapad is described as more of a state of mind than a lightsaber form, as it's as much a Force ability as it is set of combat techniques.

That is at least my understanding.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Beniboybling


That is at least my understanding.


Key part is this. It's not well defined at all IMO.

I mean how exactly does force energy get redirected? Is there no physical aspect to it?

Also again I'll point out that the words, "Feeding" or "Amp" are never once used. But the words "reflecting" and "redirecting" are IIRC.




Look at this for example:

When Mace slips into Vapaad to reflect Palpatine's Lightning, he's literally just redirecting it back to him. It wasn't like it was Feeding Mace, Amping Mace to be more powerful, then the Amped Mace was attacking Sidious back.... Was it??

Beniboybling
It's Force energy, there shouldn't be anything physical about it, and it's described pretty clearly in that manner heremessedo yeah, he's drawing on Palpatine's rage, and sending it back at him, evidently through a very sophisticated loop that allowed Windu to reflect Palpatine's lightning as well. Which is described in a similar manner:

Darth Thor
Okay, so if it's nothing physical, then what exactly does sending his rage back at him mean? What does the Palpatine's rage to do him when it's sent back? And how does that make Windu "physically" fight Palpatine on even terms?

relentless1
Sidious wrecks

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.