Red Skull vs. Winter Soldier

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Stigma
Two of Cap's antagonists face off. (no pun intended)

Setting: Berlin, Angela Merkel's dining room.

Starting distance is 15 feet.

Standard gear and morals.


Who wins?

NotAllThatEvil
Red skull.

carthage
Bucky fought a more skilled/experienced version of Cap/held his own against Tchalla, stomping Black Widow >> fighting with Cap as of TFA

probably a solid fight though

Supermutant
With standard gear Skull gets destroyed b/c WS is normally armed with automatic weapons. Plus Skull has shown little to no skill, and Bucky competed better against a much more experienced Cap.

BruceSkywalker
Bucky stomps quite easily

NotAllThatEvil
Bucky and falcon were both man handled by spidey, while cap was able to toss Parker around. If red skull is around the same physicality tgen he should be able to handle Bucky.

FrothByte
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Bucky and falcon were both man handled by spidey, while cap was able to toss Parker around. If red skull is around the same physicality tgen he should be able to handle Bucky.

Cap tossed Spidey around not due to strength but due to experience and fighting style. Don't forget that Winter Soldier matched Cap pretty evenly in h2h, eventually losing but still was close enough that Cap could have lost.

KingD19
Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap tossed Spidey around not due to strength but due to experience and fighting style. Don't forget that Winter Soldier matched Cap pretty evenly in h2h, eventually losing but still was close enough that Cap could have lost.

A few times it was pure strength. Like kicking him into those crates and when he yanked on the webline.

TheVaultDweller
Cap physically out-muscling Spiderman is straight up PIS though, considering we see Steve get overpowered by Bucky's metal arm during the fight where WS was mindcontrolled, and later see Spiderman effortlessly catch that same arm.

NotAllThatEvil
Cap was overwhelmed by seeing his dead bestie. I don't think he was giving it his A-game.

FrothByte
Originally posted by KingD19
A few times it was pure strength. Like kicking him into those crates and when he yanked on the webline.

That wasn't Cap overpowering Spidey though. Spidey weighs what, 140 lbs? Cap has more than enough strength to kick someone like that quite a ways.

TheVaultDweller
Dead bestie? What are you talking about? And he was pushing with both his arms against Winter Soldier's metal arm, and still got smashed through elevator doors. And in TWS, Bucky overpowers Steve with that arm on multiple occasions, and Steve needs to use both his legs to counter said arm during the final fight. So that metal arm has consistently been shown as being stronger than Steve's. It also has better overall striking/damage feats than Steve's as well. Unless you have feats of Cap punching through concrete with his bare fist, or ripping out a steering column with one arm, or crushing one of Iron Man's gauntlets with his bare hand etc.

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