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Anakin Skywalker as of Attack of the Clones, Asajj Ventress as of Dark Disciple. Who wins?

It's a very close match, very close indeed...

Ventress kills him.

Do you know what I think, I think the anti-Anakin faction are a little saltier than usual.

Nah, I just happen to think AOTC Anakin hasn't reached the level of prime Ventress yet.

Tbh I hate Ventress wank even more and don't really care for her as a character, whereas I actually like ROTS Anakin.

During TCW S3, Anakin and Ventress were rough equals, albeit with Anakin having the slight edge, so accounting Ventress's power growth between S3 and Dark Disciple, and AotC Anakin's lesser ability compared to his S3 self, Ventress should be the victor.

Anakin was always above Ventress, lel. Obi-Wan has always been above Ventress.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Anakin was always above Ventress, lel. Obi-Wan has always been above Ventress. Anakin and Ventress were stalemating the majority of the fight on Kamino, and this is years before Dark Disciple, so obviously if a lesser version of Anakin fights an even more powerful and experienced Ventress he isn't going to be emerging victorious.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
During TCW S3, Anakin and Ventress were rough equals, albeit with Anakin having the slight edge, so accounting Ventress's power growth between S3 and Dark Disciple, and AotC Anakin's lesser ability compared to his S3 self, Ventress should be the victor.


Nah. In TCW movie Kenobi has Ventress's number, and Anakin was challenging Dooku.

As the ROTS novel explains, Anakin's been trained to hold back. Like a lot. And Kenobi's always taken it a little easy on Ventress.

Skywalker was always better than Ventress. So was Kenobi.

And TCW, iirc, was months after AotC. Not seeing how Ventress does shit here.

I'm thinking that too. I'm also thinking that these 'power growths' are far more overestimated than they're presented to be. Just for example, Anakin was able to give Dooku a tough mano-e-mano match every-time they fought. Yes, that includes a panting Dooku in Attack of the Clones. Ventress on the other, was always defeated soundly, and usually with back-up.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
During TCW S3, Anakin and Ventress were rough equals, albeit with Anakin having the slight edge, so accounting Ventress's power growth between S3 and Dark Disciple, and AotC Anakin's lesser ability compared to his S3 self, Ventress should be the victor. I wouldn't say they were equals, simplly going off Anakin's feats, but Ventress handled him rather well on Kamino all things considered, and more than once had the upper hand.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah. In TCW movie Kenobi has Ventress's number, and Anakin was challenging Dooku.

As the ROTS novel explains, Anakin's been trained to hold back. Like a lot. And Kenobi's always taken it a little easy on Ventress. What the **** does Kenobi have to do with this? And if Anakin always holds back customarily pre-RotS, why would he all of a sudden pull out all the stops in this matchup? And Anakin never performs as well as he does against Dooku against anyone else he faces in TCW, so I don't care.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I wouldn't say they were equals, simplly going off Anakin's feats, but Ventress handled him rather well on Kamino all things considered, and more than once had the upper hand. Yeah, they're not equals, but Ventress is close enough at that point.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And TCW, iirc, was months after AotC. Not seeing how Ventress does shit here. And Anakin has a confirmed power-growth between Geonosis and TCW movie.

Which is quantified how? You keep leaving out that detail with every response. And unless Obi-Wan also suddenly jumped to AotC Anakin level, which I doubt, you have no point.

Power 'growth' is just some arbitrary term handed out when one can't think for themselves.

"You're training has come a long way boy."

Yeah Anakin has gotten stronger, how much we can't say, but he's better than AotC Anakin nonetheless.

Except we're discussing the inferior Kenobi's growth, not Anakin. Keep up.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which is quantified how? You keep leaving out that detail with every response. And unless Obi-Wan also suddenly jumped to AotC Anakin level, which I doubt, you have no point. Dooku was notably impressed by Anakin's growth in power when they fought on Tatooine, so you can quantify it by comparing Anakin's fight with Dooku on Geonosis and his fight with Dooku on Tatooine, I suppose. Fact is though, Anakin and Ventress fought evenly enough on Kamino, so a more powerful Ventress should be able to put down a lesser Anakin. I don't know why that's difficult. And why is Kenobi relevant?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except we're discussing the inferior Kenobi's growth, not Anakin. Keep up. And why exactly are you discussing Kenobi?

In that case you'd best answer Joker's question:Originally posted by |King Joker|
What the **** does Kenobi have to do with this?EDIT: Ninja'ed

Originally posted by Beniboybling
"You're training has come a long way boy."

Yeah Anakin has gotten stronger, how much we can't say, but he's better than AotC Anakin nonetheless. http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/18/86/74/45/2016-011.png

Yeah, also wasn't Dooku instructed by Palpatine not to kill Anakin? We know at least in AotC he was holding back.

Idr

Also in Dark Disciple Ventress was able to briefly drive Dooku back:

"Snarling, Ventress charged at Dooku, reveling in the strength of her muscles as she dealt strike after strike. Her old Master parried expertly, but she forced him back."

And Kenobi found himself "hard-pressed" to deflect her attacks:

"You don't understand," Ventress cried. "You weren't there!" She whirled, targeting Kenobi now instead of Vos. Her green lightsaber was a blur and Kenobi was hard-pressed to parry."

So I wouldn't say Anakin's victory is as definite as some might like to believe...

Most people nowadays have Anakin's cock all the way down in their esophagus's, so their mislead conviction that Anakin takes this isn't too surprising.

I bet it feels good tho.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I bet it feels good tho. I don't know, can you breath in that position?

Adds to the thrill.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Dooku was notably impressed by Anakin's growth in power when they fought on Tatooine, so you can quantify it by comparing Anakin's fight with Dooku on Geonosis and his fight with Dooku on Tatooine, I suppose.

Not really. Dooku's duel with him on Geonosis was just as pressing.

Ventress doesn't grow by a large amount just because time goes by, and more powerful Ventress also fights evenly with Ahsoka. Ahsoka isn't Anakin-level. Your opinion of how a fight is choreographed doesn't mean anything.

Because if she can't even defeat him, there's no way in hell she can defeat Anakin. That's what shouldn't be difficult to understand, not you leaping back and forth, especially you ignoring Ventress does worse against Dooku than Anakin ever has. Their sabers connecting a bunch of times means nothing. Guess Hondo must also be able to defeat AotC Anakin.

Anakin dies like the little **** he was in AOTC

Venturss wins. She was nearly his equal in the micro series and has grown in power since then.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not really. Dooku's duel with him on Geonosis was just as pressing. Yeah, no. Anakin does far better on Tatooine than on Geonosis, and regardless, there's quotes confirming Anakin is better than he was in AotC.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Ventress doesn't grow by a large amount just because time goes by, Have you watched the Season 3 arc, where she's confirmed to have become more powerful, or have you read Dark Disciple, where she clearly does better against Dooku than she did even in Season 3? It doesn't seem like it, seeing as how you've been routinely spewing a lot of horseshit in this thread. Originally posted by FreshestSlice
and more powerful Ventress also fights evenly with Ahsoka. Ahsoka isn't Anakin-level. Your opinion of how a fight is choreographed doesn't mean anything. Um, that's literally never happened. The last time Ahsoka fought Ventress was in Season 1, lmao, and she was defeated solidly. Nice try though, Freshest.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because if she can't even defeat him, there's no way in hell she can defeat Anakin. That's what shouldn't be difficult to understand, not you leaping back and forth, especially you ignoring Ventress does worse against Dooku than Anakin ever has. Their sabers connecting a bunch of times means nothing. Guess Hondo must also be able to defeat AotC Anakin. Except using ABC logic in this thread is mentally retarded given the fact that we actually see how Ventress vs. Anakin goes down when they fight and how even it is. That's really all that matters, not comparing how Ventress does against Dooku and how Anakin does against Dooku or whatever, because, *GASP*, characters stack up differently against one another.

Depends. The AotC comic has Skywalker performing extremely impressive against Dooku on Geonosis - better than Ventress ever did.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
What the **** does Kenobi have to do with this? And if Anakin always holds back customarily pre-RotS, why would he all of a sudden pull out all the stops in this matchup? And Anakin never performs as well as he does against Dooku against anyone else he faces in TCW, so I don't care.


Just because he doesn't go all out until pushed, doesn't mean he'll let himself lose a fight. Or not win it eventually.

I mean who actually beat Anakin in TCW aside from Dooku?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean who actually beat Anakin in TCW aside from Dooku? https://i.imgflip.com/18auvr.gif

Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://i.imgflip.com/18auvr.gif

LMFAO

Anakin loses, he can't compete with her yet.

Ventress.

Ventress crushes him.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://i.imgflip.com/18auvr.gif




OI!


He was without his Lightsaber and going up against multiple bounty hunters.

So don't try and pull that crap on Ani!

Originally posted by |King Joker|
or have you read Dark Disciple, where she clearly does better against Dooku than she did even in Season 3?


I thought she only fought him alongside Vos.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And TCW, iirc, was months after AotC. Not seeing how Ventress does shit here.

7 Weeks.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
OI!


He was without his Lightsaber and going up against multiple bounty hunters.

So don't try and pull that crap on Ani! Ventress would have tanked it. hmphOriginally posted by Darth Thor
I thought she only fought him alongside Vos. Originally posted by Beniboybling
Also in Dark Disciple Ventress was able to briefly drive Dooku back:

"Snarling, Ventress charged at Dooku, reveling in the strength of her muscles as she dealt strike after strike. Her old Master parried expertly, but she forced him back."

Even a tired AotC Obi-Wan drove Dooku back in the AotC junior novel. Briefly forcing somebody back isn't particularly amazing.

Ventress wins obviously. The only argument you could make in Anakin's favour is the difficulty he would give to her before loosing

Originally posted by SunRazer
Even a tired AotC Obi-Wan drove Dooku back in the AotC junior novel. Briefly forcing somebody back isn't particularly amazing. There goes Anakin's advantage then I suppose. mmm

It's not a stomp but Ventress wins most times.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There goes Anakin's advantage then I suppose. mmm

You mean when AotC Anakin briefly drove Dooku back? Dooku seemed to underestimate Anakin when the latter got out the two sabers, which probably allowed Anakin to drive him back. He quickly recovered, though, and then practically stomped Anakin.

Well yeah, and looking at the AotC novel proper, it also describes Kenobi as driving Dooku back in the same way. So I guess its not all that. Regardless the point more was that this isn't something Ventress is incapable of.

Probably Ventress to be honest, it is after the Outer Rim Sieges that Anakin becomes her clear and obvious superior.