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In the Amazon Jungle at night.

blade

Good fight. Blade cuts his head off.

New 52 Bronze Tiger is literally a man-tiger isn't he?

Does it change the fight if its New 52 instead of Pre-flashpoint?

Tiger. Easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tiger. Easily. noOriginally posted by CosmicComet
New 52 Bronze Tiger is literally a man-tiger isn't he?

Does it change the fight if its New 52 instead of Pre-flashpoint? adamantium katanas bro.

And for the hand to hand portion?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
And for the hand to hand portion? that's the only part of this fight that I could see BT taking it, but even then, he seriously lacks showings in the new 52

Originally posted by deathslash
no adamantium katanas bro. Originally posted by deathslash
that's the only part of this fight that I could see BT taking it, but even then, he seriously lacks showings in the new 52
Yes, the shown picture is of pre 52 Turner.

He would beat the shit out of Blade.

pre 52 tiger barely beat catman. blade kills him. that dude was grossly overhyped. one good showing vs bats doesn't mean he wins this match at all....

Does it being in a jungle help BT though?

Blade is used to cityscapes.

Blade wins.

Originally posted by leonidas
pre 52 tiger barely beat catman. blade kills him. that dude was grossly overhyped. one good showing vs bats doesn't mean he wins this match at all....
Catman stalemated Batman under the same writer.

Turner has also defeated both Deathstroke and Richard Dragon pre Flashpoint.

Blade is a nobody among MA who gets one paneled by Captain America.

There is no chance of him winning here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Catman stalemated Batman under the same writer.

Turner has also defeated both Deathstroke and Richard Dragon pre Flashpoint.

Blade is a nobody among MA who gets one paneled by Captain America.

There is no chance of him winning here. 1. the thread starter himself has specified that this is new 52 bronze tiger. Seriously, read his comments.

2. An injured deathstroke and a non canon fight in the Chuck Dixon run is the best that you can do?

3. Wow, that's the quickest that I've ever seen you turn to lowballing. A new personal best I bet.

bt doesn't have enough feats. bt has fought evenly with ds but....so has dick and many others. so meh. i don't recall him beating dragon. they fought briefly once but it was unkind of undecided. anyway, all physical abilities are blades in this one, as well as at least a minor healing factor, he doesn't need ot be more skilled. with his physical advantages and his blade, it should be enough to end bt more often than not.

Originally posted by deathslash
1. the thread starter himself has specified that this is new 52 bronze tiger. Seriously, read his comments.



No, he didn't.
How is Dixon's run non canon?

Even an injured Deathstroke is far dangerous than Blade.

Yeah, and here I thought Blade was some kind of super MA with loads of wins over streets so losing to Cap is lowballing.

Oh wait.....

Just a note, its primarily meant to be Pre-flashpoint BT.

I just asked afterward how things would change if it was the New 52 version.

Blade has a massive stat advantage over Tiger. He's got plenty of well into the superhuman strength range feats, as well as durability and healing. Insane speed as well. ANd he's top notch in the skill department. So he's everything Tiger is and more.

Originally posted by leonidas
bt doesn't have enough feats. bt has fought evenly with ds but....so has dick and many others. so meh.

What are you talking about? Slade would murder Blade.

Dick has never fought him evenly.



Seriously?

No, it isn't. Not by a long shot.

Originally posted by KingD19
Blade has a massive stat advantage over Tiger. He's got plenty of well into the superhuman strength range feats, as well as durability and healing. Insane speed as well. ANd he's top notch in the skill department. So he's everything Tiger is and more.
facepalm

Bronze Tiger is in top 3 MA in DC at any given time.

Blade would be lucky to be in top 20.

Originally posted by KingD19
Blade has a massive stat advantage over Tiger. He's got plenty of well into the superhuman strength range feats, as well as durability and healing. Insane speed as well. ANd he's top notch in the skill department. So he's everything Tiger is and more. Yep. He may not be as skilled as Bronze Tiger but his physical superiority will make up for it.

During the Civil War arc SHIELD tactitions pegged Blade as their best be to bring Wolverine into custody. Out of all of the people to choose from they chose him so that speaks for his skill.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Bronze Tiger is in top 3 MA in DC at any given time.

Blade would be lucky to be in top 20.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Yep. He may not be as skilled as Bronze Tiger but his physical superiority will make up for it.

During the Civil War arc SHIELD tactitions pegged Blade as their best be to bring Wolverine into custody. Out of all of the people to choose from they chose him so that speaks for his skill.

He's fought well against Logan before. He took it to Vamp Spidey. Easily took down a fully vamped out Spitfire(who was a speedster already and was made even faster), etc...

Massive context omitted.

Originally posted by leonidas
bt doesn't have enough feats. bt has fought evenly with ds but....so has dick and many others. so meh. i don't recall him beating dragon. they fought briefly once but it was unkind of undecided. anyway, all physical abilities are blades in this one, as well as at least a minor healing factor, he doesn't need ot be more skilled. with his physical advantages and his blade, it should be enough to end bt more often than not.

I'm not saying Turner wins, and I'm not versed enough to even discuss Nu52 BT. But seriously Tuner has plenty of feats besides those few to place him in the league of blade.

Fought to a standstill the Russian Steele wolf who was Arn Munro level. He even managed a little (and j said LITTLE) damage due to pressure points.

Fought Shiva and held his own.

He had a dec3nt bout vs Cass cane.

He has also faced Batman to a stalemate about 5 or so times. Admittedly 3 were off panel in JLA SS cross overs.

There was also that Jihad member who wore the exoskelton.his battles with SS vs apokalips soldiers etc etc.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Yep. He may not be as skilled as Bronze Tiger but his physical superiority will .

Steel wolf is vastly "physically siperior" to Blade. Hes a class 20 or so with speed around 50 to 6p mph and bloody Luke Cage durability and a healing factor

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And yet he couldn't beat turner and turner could mildly harm him with pressure point attacks (only winning IIRC when Vixen joined in)

Stats advantage doesnt make it alone.

Originally posted by KingD19
He's fought well against Logan before.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKuZ1Ep3CXai4hy/200w.gif

Can someone post scans of the Steel Wolf fight?

Originally posted by leonidas
bt doesn't have enough feats.

And Blade does?

Getting stalemated by Gambit, humiliated by a holding back Wolverine tired from fighting Omega Red and one-shotted by Cap despite having an amp are not good feats.

Catman was a beast in S6, deal with it.

Originally posted by Zack M
Can someone post scans of the Steel Wolf fight?

That one i posted was all i could find in a google search.
I'm on hols 15 hrs from home at the snow. So cant look for my issue.

First time I hear of him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Blade does?

Getting stalemated by Gambit, humiliated by a holding back Wolverine tired from fighting Omega Red and one-shotted by Cap despite having an amp are not good feats.

Catman was a beast in S6, deal with it.

The Gambit short fight happen before Blade's Morbius bite upgrade. Would BT do better against Wolverine? Blade was not 1-shotted for a ko, one could easy argue this as a durability feat for Blade being able to take a shield bash and still be back in the fight the next page IIRC.

Originally posted by Supermutant
The Gambit short fight happen before Blade's Morbius bite upgrade. Would BT do better against Wolverine? Blade was not 1-shotted for a ko, one could easy argue this as a durability feat for Blade being able to take a shield bash and still be back in the fight the next page IIRC. Yes Blade was written as a human when he fought Gambit. He wasn't ret conned yet.

And yes Cap smacked him with the shield but he was shown taking down Havok and Rogue on the next page.

Originally posted by Supermutant
The Gambit short fight happen before Blade's Morbius bite upgrade. Would BT do better against Wolverine? Blade was not 1-shotted for a ko, one could easy argue this as a durability feat for Blade being able to take a shield bash and still be back in the fight the next page IIRC.

That's correct, he wasn't a Daywalker yet. But it was just a melee fight. Steve has broken Remy's staff and one-shotted him, for a comparison.

I don't recall Blade being shown on the next page...

Originally posted by beatboks
I'm not saying Turner wins, and I'm not versed enough to even discuss Nu52 BT. But seriously Tuner has plenty of feats besides those few to place him in the league of blade.

Fought to a standstill the Russian Steele wolf who was Arn Munro level. He even managed a little (and j said LITTLE) damage due to pressure points.

Fought Shiva and held his own.

He had a dec3nt bout vs Cass cane.

He has also faced Batman to a stalemate about 5 or so times. Admittedly 3 were off panel in JLA SS cross overs.

There was also that Jihad member who wore the exoskelton.his battles with SS vs apokalips soldiers etc etc.

meh, stalemate, held his own, decent, decent.....like i said--hardly an impressive resume. /shrug

i just think between his weapon advantage and his physical advantage blade takes this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? Slade would murder Blade.

Dick has never fought him evenly.



Seriously?

No, it isn't. Not by a long shot.

slade would beat blade but he wouldn't murder him at all. and the hell dick hasn't fought ds evenly. he's had some prolonged fights against slade. and yeah seriously--where is this fight where bt so clearly beat dragon?

in blade's corner he has a weapon, a strength, speed and a very large damage soak advantage. bt has a skill advantage. does he have a couple lesser showings? yeah, so? he was never one shotted by logan afaik, and his draw with gambit was like, 3 panels?

anyway, saying he'd get murdered by bt is like saying he's get murdered by daredevil--neither would come close to happening.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's correct, he wasn't a Daywalker yet. But it was just a melee fight. Steve has broken Remy's staff and one-shotted him, for a comparison.

I don't recall Blade being shown on the next page... yeah, and was Steve a superhuman when he broke his staff and oneshotted him? Oh yeah, blade also owned deadpool.

Cap can one-shot God himself if he chose to.

Having a odd showing vs Cap isn't a big deal.

why you gotta make the bruthas fight one anotha?

Because Blade's a filthy traitor.

"Race doesn't count for much."

http://s31.photobucket.com/user/Doggydogg/media/Blade/BladeandCage.jpg.html

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because Blade's a filthy traitor.

"Race doesn't count for much."

http://s31.photobucket.com/user/Doggydogg/media/Blade/BladeandCage.jpg.html



I like Blade even more now.

He's not a homer for skin color.

That is a pretty good scene, yeah.

Love how Cage pisses himself and backs off.

Originally posted by leonidas
slade would beat blade but he wouldn't murder him at all. and the hell dick hasn't fought ds evenly.


No, Slade would murder Blade.

Dick has never fought Slade evenly. In nine encounters, Slade has always dominated him.


In Dragon's own series. Turner has trained Richard as well.



So did Slade. Tiger still beat his ass down.

And no, Blade doesn't has any of those advantages
. Except healing factor that is.

Except Tiger is a step above Daredevil in skills.

Blade wouldn't win a single fight here TBH.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dick has never fought Slade evenly. In nine encounters, Slade has always dominated him.

You really need to stop saying "never".

You're right, DS has the advantage in most encounters, but not always.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except healing factor that is.

That part of Daywalker powerset got explored quite late in comics, lol.

What's his first real HF feat? The one in Blavengers, when he gets eviscerated?

I believe once he got captured by some Vampires and crucified. And when he freed himself, all his wounds were healed by the next panel.

Originally posted by KingD19
I believe once he got captured by some Vampires and crucified. And when he freed himself, all his wounds were healed by the next panel. Spitfire slashed his face pretty badly but after they were done fighting they wounds were healed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You really need to stop saying "never".

You're right, DS has the advantage in most encounters, but not always.
Meh, there is one fight in Titans where they fought for a few pages but that's it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That part of Daywalker powerset got explored quite late in comics, lol.

What's his first real HF feat? The one in Blavengers, when he gets eviscerated?
Yeah.

He just doesn't has either the feats or the lip service to win this.

Brute strength just doesn't cuts at this level of skill.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Meh, there is one fight in Titans where they fought for a few pages but that's it.

Didn't Dick beat Bluestroke?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You really need to stop saying "never".

You're right, DS has the advantage in most encounters, but not always.
Especially when Dickbat savagely beat Deathstroke when he was hospitalized lmao.

Yeah, the Dickbat (batdick? ) happened, too.

"Youth, Stroke. Something you've been running low on." Or something like that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Didn't Dick beat Bluestroke?
No, he stunned Deathstroke by a flurry of punches after Slade floored him with one punch and admitted that Slade would kill him without breaking a sweat.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Especially when Dickbat savagely beat Deathstroke when he was hospitalized lmao.
Context bro.

soooo, yeah, dick has fought evenly, at least, with slade more than once. glad that's handled.

and of course he has strength, speed and skill over bt. bt has one truly good speed feat that i know (the knives....). blade's speed feats are actually very solid. the knife feat has nothing on his bullet dodge vs pool. and he's fought a legit speedster in spitfire h2h. no way bt does that. his strength def>bt, and his damage soak>bt for certain. plus he has a weapon that he is very good with (enough to match deadpool). stilt mentioned later versions--i'm not even talking about the one that was able to use magic or had some chi control.

dude doesn't have a huge resume--too busy fighting vamp guys all the time, but he's beaten morbius and dracula. those are both wins that are better than anything bt has done imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
soooo, yeah, dick has fought evenly, at least, with slade more than once. glad that's handled.

No, that's pretty much an outlier. Bullseye has fought much more evenly to Daredevil while choking out Elektra with one hand.

Doesn't means Bullseye is Daredevil level. Or above Elektra.



Because Turner doesn't has that many showings. Him beating down Deathstroke alone shits on anything Blade has done.




Blade is just Slade-lite. Slade has fought actual Flashes. Look how he does against Turner.


http://i.imgur.com/rTeyCDLt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Dmmi6y7t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WJ85aFEt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fqd4hUrt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Z9iylz0t.jpg



No, they are not. Both involve huge amount of prep and a lot of context.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Because Turner doesn't has that many showings. Him beating down Deathstroke alone shits on anything Blade has done.


Since when did beating an injured, weakened, tired Deathstroke count for anything? That'd be like saying that bane is one of the top street levelers because he beat on an injured, weakened, tired batman.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Blade is just Slade-lite. Slade has fought actual Flashes.

It's common knowledge that when one guy can react withing the time span of pico-seconds, move faster than light, and can move so fast that bullets are moving in slow motion to him and the other can and manages to tag the first guy, it's either bad writing, or PIS.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Look how he does against Turner.


http://i.imgur.com/rTeyCDLt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Dmmi6y7t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WJ85aFEt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fqd4hUrt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Z9iylz0t.jpg
nice fight. You have anything that doesn't involve Ben's opponent being half dead?

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, they are not. Both involve huge amount of prep and a lot of context. just like that time that he popped out of a NY taxi cab and casually killed dracula and a vampire wolverine right?

Originally posted by deathslash

Since when did beating an injured, weakened, tired Deathstroke count for anything? That'd be like saying that bane is one of the top street levelers because he beat on an injured, weakened, tired batman.



Deathstroke wasn't that injured.

How about beating Richard Dragon himself.

https://m.vk.com/topic-98774565_32792747?offset=20

You know, the very best martial artist in DC.

Not if it happens dozens of time.

Turner has beaten a Russian Speedster as well.

Alternate reality versions? Color me impressed.

Originally posted by abhilegend

How about beating Richard Dragon himself.

https://m.vk.com/topic-98774565_32792747?offset=20

You know, the very best martial artist in DC.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120211045949/creepypasta/images/thumb/7/7b/WTF_-_What_am_I_reading_Warhammer.jpg/800px-WTF_-_What_am_I_reading_Warhammer.jpg
The Chuck Dixon run is super inconsistent with a solid metric crap ton of Dragon's lore being straight up ignored and is considered by many to be non canon (hell, Dixon himself admitted that he didn't know much about dragon). Let's also not forget that he got oneshotted by lady shiva.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/989741-ladyshiva194.jpg

Richard is definitely one of DC's MA. Along with BT and Shiva. They're all peers to one another. Blade isn't even in the equation.

I guess here are the Steel Wolf scans.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SW_zps8temhz9i.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SW2_zpsjft6esp9.jpg

lol really? that's not worth commenting on.

@abhi: he wasn't THAT hurt? lol c'mon.... anyway, this is getting nowhere. i'd go with a feat vs feat comparison, but bt simply doesn't have much to offer. blade has the clear advantage physically in speed, strength and damage soak and the skill advantage bt has isn't big enough to overcome all those advantages, especially when he also has a sword.... if someone wants to show some great feats from bt i'd be glad to counter them, but so far there hasn't been much offered beyond--he's a really good martial artist so he winsss!!11! lol need more than that i'm afraid....

Originally posted by deathslash
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120211045949/creepypasta/images/thumb/7/7b/WTF_-_What_am_I_reading_Warhammer.jpg/800px-WTF_-_What_am_I_reading_Warhammer.jpg
The Chuck Dixon run is super inconsistent with a solid metric crap ton of Dragon's lore being straight up ignored and is considered by many to be non canon (hell, Dixon himself admitted that he didn't know much about dragon). Let's also not forget that he got oneshotted by lady shiva.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/989741-ladyshiva194.jpg

You're posting a scan of someone hitting Shiva and Shiva oneshotted Dragon?

Originally posted by leonidas
lol really? that's not worth commenting on.

@abhi: he wasn't THAT hurt? lol c'mon.... anyway, this is getting nowhere. i'd go with a feat vs feat comparison, but bt simply doesn't have much to offer. blade has the clear advantage physically in speed, strength and damage soak and the skill advantage bt has isn't big enough to overcome all those advantages, especially when he also has a sword.... if someone wants to show some great feats from bt i'd be glad to counter them, but so far there hasn't been much offered beyond--he's a really good martial artist so he winsss!!11! lol need more than that i'm afraid....
And where are these awesome Blade feats which show he can take even 1/10 against Tiger?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're posting a scan of someone hitting Shiva and Shiva oneshotted Dragon?

WAT. You can quite clearly tell by that outfit that bronze tiger is the one getting his anus ruptured by shiva's fist. Moreover, it's kind of hard to believe that you don't know that that's David Cain that takes her down after she briefly fought a few members of the League of Assassins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And where are these awesome Blade feats which show he can take even 1/10 against Tiger?

really? you can look as easily as i can. but a couple that i knew of already i guess:

speed:

http://imgur.com/a/mJD0a

http://imgur.com/a/od2gF

and obviously pool is f****** fast and skilled in his own right.

http://i.imgur.com/oJqusZc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/seQLwcu.jpg

just those feats alone are enough to show a massive speed advantage for blade.

damage soak:

http://imgur.com/a/FtEOi

i mean c'mon. still up and talking after that blast and impalement?

http://imgur.com/a/ICqi2

http://imgur.com/a/pTZMm

disemboweled, blow up, impaled. his damage soak dwarfs bt. i mean bt could barely survive getting bit by catman, imagine what a bite form blade would do.... he also has a good edge in strength. on top of his own damage soak, blade also wears light armor--kevlar would only make it even harder for bt though. given blade's speed advantage, not sure how bt is getting in closer when blade has his sword.

it's hilarious you think bt sweeps this somehow, when the single advantage he has is a skill edge. don't just hand wave the showings above away. counter them with scans of bt doing equally impressive things. since you think he wins 10/10, you should really show some feats that DWARF blades showings, but i'd settle for feats that are comparable.

bt could get some wins. but i'd take blade a solid 7/10 majority.

The spitfire really hammers it home.

Originally posted by deathslash
WAT. You can quite clearly tell by that outfit that bronze tiger is the one getting his anus ruptured by shiva's fist. Moreover, it's kind of hard to believe that you don't know that that's David Cain that takes her down after she briefly fought a few members of the League of Assassins.
Oh you mean that one punch?

Are you ****ing serious here?

Originally posted by leonidas
really? you can look as easily as i can. but a couple that i knew of already i guess:

speed:

http://imgur.com/a/mJD0a

http://imgur.com/a/od2gF

and obviously pool is f****** fast and skilled in his own right.

http://i.imgur.com/oJqusZc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/seQLwcu.jpg



Decent showings for a B leveler. Nothing compared to an A level martial artist.



Just look at Deathstroke's record against Flashes.



No, they don't.
Hahaha, what? Deathstroke basically resurrected himself one issue after Tiger kicked his as.

You're acting like an amped Blade wasn't basically oneshotted by Cap or something.

Oh right, where was this damage soak then?



Nope, he doesn't wins a single fight here.

Show me him beating a single MA worth his shit except a Deadpool who was joking around and he might win 1/10 here.

Well, to be fair now, when DP is NOT joking around?

He acts all goofy/retarded and hears voices when he wins, he does the same thing when he loses. That's not an excuse. Essential part of the character.

Originally posted by leonidas
really? you can look as easily as i can. but a couple that i knew of already i guess:

speed:

http://imgur.com/a/mJD0a

http://imgur.com/a/od2gF

and obviously pool is f****** fast and skilled in his own right.

http://i.imgur.com/oJqusZc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/seQLwcu.jpg



Decent showings for a B leveler. Nothing compared to an A level martial artist.



Just look at Deathstroke's record against Flashes.



No, they don't.
Hahaha, what? Deathstroke basically resurrected himself one issue after Tiger kicked his as.

You're acting like an amped Blade wasn't basically oneshotted by Cap or something.

Oh right, where was this damage soak then?



Nope, he doesn't wins a single fight here.

Show me him beating a single MA worth his shit except a Deadpool who was joking around and he might win 1/10 here.

Btw, when has Blade bitten anyone? Wouldn't that be OOC?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Decent showings for a B leveler. Nothing compared to an A level martial artist.



Just look at Deathstroke's record against Flashes.



No, they don't.
Hahaha, what? Deathstroke basically resurrected himself one issue after Tiger kicked his as.

You're acting like an amped Blade wasn't basically oneshotted by Cap or something.

Oh right, where was this damage soak then?



Nope, he doesn't wins a single fight here.

Show me him beating a single MA worth his shit except a Deadpool who was joking around and he might win 1/10 here.

lol why the f*** would i have to show him beating any MA when i showed him effortlessly dodging bullets (from a high level MA in pool...) and straight up beating a legit speedster?? seriously, the hell kind of reasoning is that? and why the f*** do i care about stroke in this match?? i guess i could sit here and lowball him to make bt's decent showing against him look like sh!t, but i happen to like ds. but just because bt had a decent showing against him doesn't mean he wins this in any way.

i guess i could further show him matching pool in swordplay and matching dracula as well, but why would i when you showed nothing at all? and the fact that he is great with his sword only makes this even more lop-sided.

my friend, that is some of the worst countering i've ever seen. bt doesn't have the feats to suggest he takes even a few wins, let alone sweeps as evidenced by your complete lack of ability to show.....any feats at all.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Btw, when has Blade bitten anyone? Wouldn't that be OOC?

i do recall it happening, but probably. point was, bt's damage soak is no where close to blade's.

No way Blade is biting anyone.

No point in doing it either, it's ineffective and out of character

Originally posted by leonidas
when i showed him effortlessly dodging bullets

You need to appreciate the good times we're living in, leo.

Back in the day, OneDUMB would hunt you down for calling that "dodging" instead of "aim-dodging".

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You need to appreciate the good times we're living in, leo.

Back in the day, OneDUMB would hunt you down for calling that "dodging" instead of "aim-dodging".

Back in the day Scoob would link to his ****ing thread lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You need to appreciate the good times we're living in, leo.

Back in the day, OneDUMB would hunt you down for calling that "dodging" instead of "aim-dodging".

lol

not sure even odg would call that anything but dodging. it's a very good feat imo.

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Speaking of Vampires!

Originally posted by leonidas
lol

not sure even odg would call that anything but dodging. it's a very good feat imo.

Oh, you'd be wrong...

He ignored everything if there wasn't a gun firing on panel and target standing still.

But yeah, the feat is good.

Yeah....what feats DOES BT have?

Stalemating Batman twice is good enough. I think the first time, BT had the upper hand.

Didn't he one-shot Batman or something? Or was that pre-crisis?

Originally posted by Zack M
Stalemating Batman twice is good enough. I think the first time, BT had the upper hand. Batman didn't know who he was. The first fight could just as easily be chalked up to Bruce being surprised that he was fighting a skilled opponent rather than some clown in a tiger mask. I'd also like to point out that that fight happened around 30 years ago and back then, Batman got owned way more often than he did later on.

With all of that said, Bronze Tiger is still a very solid martial artist and is certainly in the high street level bracket; but Blade is closer to being around mid meta level and is also a solid martial artist.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah....what feats DOES BT have?

- vs bats

- vs stroke (not sure if stroke was at his best)

- vs dragon (dragon's heart wasn't really in it, though)

- vs some obscure Luke Cage-esque characters like that steel-something and the big dude who got his ears clapped

- vs catman

He has the rep as one of the most formidable MA in DC... below Karate Kid(s), obviously.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Didn't he one-shot Batman or something? Or was that pre-crisis?

yeah the first meeting he got the better of bats. skill wise he is close to batman, no doubt. he lacks.....everything else bats has though. and lol at stalemating bats a couple times being enough... wtf is happening around here? it might be enough to say he;d be a great match against daredevil. but blade is def superhuman so bt needs feats to suggest he could match that. he has almost none. so cool or not, great MA or not, it's not enough--or shouldn't be enough for anyone looking at this impartially at least. /shrug

Originally posted by deathslash
Batman didn't know who he was. The first fight could just as easily be chalked up to Bruce being surprised that he was fighting a skilled opponent rather than some clown in a tiger mask. I'd also like to point out that that fight happened around 30 years ago and back then, Batman got owned way more often than he did later on.

With all of that said, Bronze Tiger is still a very solid martial artist and is certainly in the high street level bracket; but Blade is closer to being around mid meta level and is also a solid martial artist.

A skilled MA doesn't get surprised.

Originally posted by Zack M
A skilled MA doesn't get surprised. he certainly looked surprised when he saw bane standing in his house.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
- vs bats

- vs stroke (not sure if stroke was at his best)

- vs dragon (dragon's heart wasn't really in it, though)

- vs some obscure Luke Cage-esque characters like that steel-something and the big dude who got his ears clapped

- vs catman

He has the rep as one of the most formidable MA in DC... below Karate Kid(s), obviously.

That's the thing. I've heard of his rep, but those feats you mention, only the one vs Bats and maybe Catman is worth mentioning. Maybe that's all you need.

But at least KK has his WTF feats.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah the first meeting he got the better of bats. skill wise he is close to batman, no doubt. he lacks.....everything else bats has though. and lol at stalemating bats a couple times being enough... wtf is happening around here? it might be enough to say he;d be a great match against daredevil. but blade is def superhuman so bt needs feats to suggest he could match that. he has almost none. so cool or not, great MA or not, it's not enough--or shouldn't be enough for anyone looking at this impartially at least. /shrug

Being superhuman is quite often not enough, either. Just saying.

Good for Blade he does have *some* skill and weapons.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's the thing. I've heard of his rep, but those feats you mention, only the one vs Bats and maybe Catman is worth mentioning. Maybe that's all you need.

But at least KK has his WTF feats.

All DC MAs are overrated, it's nothing new

Yeah, KK has retarded feats, but when he actually had to fight another MA (Batsie), he ended up looking like Rihanna after the infamous Chris Brown incident.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Being superhuman is quite often not enough, either. Just saying.

Good for Blade he does have *some* skill and weapons.



All DC MAs are overrated, it's nothing new

Yeah, KK has retarded feats, but when he actually had to fight another MA (Batsie), he ended up looking like Rihanna after the infamous Chris Brown incident.

DC's streets/MA>>>Marvel's. Especially since Wildstorm was incorporated in their universe.

No, they're not.

Golgo? I can't beat him on my own. Please call Lord Wolverine or Lord Rogers!

http://i68.tinypic.com/osahxv.png

GOLGO, PLEASE! HURRY! I CAN'T LAST MUCH LONGER! HU---AAAAAAARGHHHH!!!!!

You can joke all you want, but DC's are generally superior.

Reincarnated Bruce Lee lives in the Marvel Universe.

DC already has the best MA in western comics. And they have 4 versions of him. They also have a stronger catalog of traditional MA like Batman, Nightwing, Shiva, etc...

Then you have your super soldiers. Thanks to merging the Milestone and Wildstorm universe, DC has the edge as well. WS generally has the better super soldiers.

You're not going to convince anyone that DC has better streets, sorry.

There's a reason why only the Batfamily can sustain their books

The bat mythos alone crushes most of Marvel.

Daredevil alone > The Batverse, lol.

He's like Batsie, Dick and Shiva in one body

Come on, Stilt. You can't believe that.

Anyway, in terms of formidably, DC>Marvel in pretty much every categories.

He is. Bruce's stats and skill + Dick's agility + Shiva's body-reading.

He's actually even better, considering he has actual super-powers.

Lol, no. Cap and Panther have learned every martial art there is on Earth, something that actually was stated on panel.

Batman has faced beings who can body read and he just fought Grayson. However, I wouldn't put Batman against DD. Too boring and most people put them together in fights. I'd put someone like Damian Wayne against Matt.

And Batman/KK aren't the only ones who have learned every MA on the planet. That's not even that impressive.

Batman hasn't, unless you want to resort to bios. Something that was always being frowned upon here.

Not sure about KK. Do you have a panel on hand that has it stated?

Originally posted by Zack M
I'd put someone like Damian Wayne against Matt.

Originally posted by RadZoa
Daredevil is more on Tim Drakes level TBH

You two should get a room.

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In terms of top tier MA's DC has:

Sa'ar, Karate Kid, Connor Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Batman, Damian Wayne, Lady Shiva, White Canary, Richard Dragon, Essence, Judomaster, Cassandra Cain, Midnighter, Zealot, 12 Brothers in Silk, Prometheus, Michael Lane (With Suit of Sorrows), Jin Si (the ACTUAL Spirit of Martial Arts), etc...

DC has loads of top tier Martial Artists.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman hasn't, unless you want to resort to bios. Something that was always being frowned upon here.

Not sure about KK. Do you have a panel on hand that has it stated?





You two should get a room.

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Batman HAS. It's actually stated on panel in Kevin Smith's run of Batman. And Phili pointed it out more than once.

Totally forgot about Sensei.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SE_zps0h228fqf.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SE2_zpspfg9ibqp.png

Also, I Ching

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/IC_zps6mh1j6iv.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/IC2_zpswswytlu4.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
In terms of top tier MA's DC has:

Sa'ar, Karate Kid, Connor Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Batman, Damian Wayne, Lady Shiva, White Canary, Richard Dragon, Essence, Judomaster, Cassandra Cain, Midnighter, Zealot, 12 Brothers in Silk, Prometheus, Michael Lane (With Suit of Sorrows), Jin Si (the ACTUAL Spirit of Martial Arts), etc...

DC has loads of top tier Martial Artists.

Cool, bro. And Marvel has:

Captain America, Daredevil, Wolverine, Moon Knight, Taskmaster, Black Panther, Ogun, Stick, Master Po, Master Izo, Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Shen Kuei, Moondragon, Mantis, Gamora, Gorgon, Mister X, Mandarin, Temugin, Karnak, Elektra...

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/53010757.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
Batman HAS. It's actually stated on panel in Kevin Smith's run of Batman. And Phili pointed it out more than once.

Phil is dead, left KMC. Do you have quote on hand? It's not that page when Bats is holding some thug against the wall?

Cosmic monk, Ducra:

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cool, bro. And Marvel has:

Captain America, Daredevil, Wolverine, Moon Knight, Taskmaster, Black Panther, Ogun, Stick, Master Po, Master Izo, Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Shen Kuei, Moondragon, Mantis, Gamora, Gorgon, Mister X, Mandarin, Temugin, Karnak, Elektra...

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/53010757.jpg



Phil is dead, left KMC. Do you have quote on hand? It's not that page when Bats is holding some thug against the wall?

Counting aliens, too, huh? Forerunner, (Her whole race was bred to be the best warriors in the Multiverse) Fatality, KK, ETC...

You pretty much listed all of MU top fighters.

@ Karnak, Moon Knight, and Ogun.

BTW, Stilt, I meant ADULT version of Damian Wayne.

Meh top tier MAs always have some bullshit to spout cant they stfu?

Originally posted by Zack M
You pretty much listed all of MU top fighters.

Oh, there are more. And most of them are more recognizable than DC's.

Originally posted by Zack M
@ Karnak, Moon Knight, and Ogun.

Karnak has actually mastered his striking power. Through sheer training. Just forgot about everything else. In his current series, he is quite formidable.

Moon Knight is a great fighter, despite being another ersatz Batman. Been a prominent street for 10 years now, getting his own series, minis and stuff. Unlike someone like Richard Dragon, Karate Kid or Bronze Tiger haw-som

Ogun is responsible for training Wolverine and Kitty Pryde and can kill a water buffalo with a single slap. Created his own martial art. Buffed Major Sharp's already great skills by possessing him. Alt. Ogun trained 616 Psylocke in Exiles.

Originally posted by leonidas
i do recall it happening, but probably. point was, bt's damage soak is no where close to blade's. Blade bit a few people that I know of in battle. He bit one of those vampire hunting twins Mosha and Mikado or what ever their names were. He also bit Draconis in his last ongoing series.

I also forgot Shiro Nova
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SN_zpsxllvk984.jpg

Constantine Drakon
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/CD_zpsty37xuvf.jpg

Fatality
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/FY_zpsqosiukre.jpg

Orphan (David Cain)
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/DC_zpsftbt7nuw.jpg

Delphi & Sensei from Human race. Delphi has enhanced stats and can read body movements, predict just like Midnighter.
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Sensei is probably the most powerful Chi user outside of Grail and Iron Fist. His feats are insane.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh, there are more. And most of them are more recognizable than DC's.



Karnak has actually mastered his striking power. Through sheer training. Just forgot about everything else. In his current series, he is quite formidable.

Moon Knight is a great fighter, despite being another ersatz Batman. Been a prominent street for 10 years now, getting his own series, minis and stuff. Unlike someone like Richard Dragon, Karate Kid or Bronze Tiger haw-som

Ogun is responsible for training Wolverine and Kitty Pryde and can kill a water buffalo with a single slap. Created his own martial art. Buffed Major Sharp's already great skills by possessing him. Alt. Ogun trained 616 Psylocke in Exiles.

I'm only listing the best of the best. Ogun, Karnak, or MK don't fit that bill, IMO. Maybe MK, but that's it. I could list great fighters, too: Red Hood, Manhunter, Judomaster (Tom), Deathstroke, etc... But they wouldn't be in the A tier of fighters like Shiva, Tiger, Dragon, etc...

Originally posted by Zack M
I guess here are the Steel Wolf scans.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SW_zps8temhz9i.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SW2_zpsjft6esp9.jpg

Thanks where didbyou find them?
As I said he was able to cause a little pain (enouhh for a temporary put down) by striking the right point with enough skill.

That was the same steel wolf Russia sent to fight Firestorm

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FS's nuclear blasts couldnt lay him low.

He also gave Vixen a hell of a fight.

Another good feat of Bens is vs Ravan.

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The guy wore an exosklelton and was punching thru walls. He also gave Dutchess a good fight (you may know her as Lashina of Apokalips Furies)

Originally posted by beatboks
Thanks where didbyou find them?
As I said he was able to cause a little pain (enouhh for a temporary put down) by striking the right point with enough skill.

That was the same steel wolf Russia sent to fight Firestorm

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4kSnkHDaglszcRvpCc6fpI-pW5ypUBnLPhZuYN2iioDVcjUG1DRZjCtjrsw

FS's nuclear blasts couldnt lay him low.

He also gave Vixen a hell of a fight.

Another good feat of Bens is vs Ravan.

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The guy wore an exosklelton and was punching thru walls. He also gave Dutchess a good fight (you may know her as Lashina of Apokalips Furies)

Bronze Tiger respect thread.

https://new.vk.com/topic-98774565_32792747?offset=20

Originally posted by Zack M
I'm only listing the best of the best. Ogun, Karnak, or MK don't fit that bill, IMO. Maybe MK, but that's it. I could list great fighters, too: Red Hood, Manhunter, Judomaster (Tom), Deathstroke, etc... But they wouldn't be in the A tier of fighters like Shiva, Tiger, Dragon, etc...

Ogun is superior to Wolverine, who is a certified top-tier.

You'd have much easier time dissing other supernatural grandmasters, like Stick or Izo.

I could nitpick your list, too. Or add more obscures/fluctuating characters to my list, like M'Nai or Deadpool with his unpredictable fighting style, but what's the point. We've derailed the shit out of this thread already

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ogun is superior to Wolverine, who is a certified top-tier.

You'd have much easier time dissing other supernatural grandmasters, like Stick or Izo.

I could nitpick your list, too. Or add more obscures/fluctuating characters to my list, like M'Nai or Deadpool with his unpredictable fighting style, but what's the point. We've derailed the shit out of this thread already

I respect Stick, Karnak not so much. Both companies have a crap load of formidable, obscure MA/super soldiers, but I think DC's catalog is superior, especially when you factor in Milestone and WS.

Originally posted by Zack M
Bronze Tiger respect thread.

https://new.vk.com/topic-98774565_32792747?offset=20

Well ill be blowed. It has the other steel wolf fight too

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Being superhuman is quite often not enough, either. Just saying.

Good for Blade he does have *some* skill and weapons.

true and yep.

Originally posted by Zack M
I respect Stick, Karnak not so much. Both companies have a crap load of formidable, obscure MA/super soldiers, but I think DC's catalog is superior, especially when you factor in Milestone and WS.

Karnak = One Trick Pony, yes.

But it's hard to find anyone else with his ability... Mandy and Temugin are similar, but can we say they'd easily break free from a prison designed for the Hulk or KO Silver Surfer?

Might be debatable if Karnak specializing in one thing grants him a place in the top tier - most likely not, as he's not versatile enough - but he still should at least be mentioned.

We can nitpick other characters, too. Wolverine focusing too much on offense, Daredevil attacking with kicks too often, Cassie relying too much on her body-reading ability, Batman's footwork sucking , etc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Karnak = One Trick Pony, yes.

But it's hard to find anyone else with his ability... Mandy and Temugin are similar, but can we say they'd easily break free from a prison designed for the Hulk or KO Silver Surfer?

Might be debatable if Karnak specializing in one thing grants him a place in the top tier - most likely not, as he's not versatile enough - but he still should at least be mentioned.

We can nitpick other characters, too. Wolverine focusing too much on offense, Daredevil attacking with kicks too often, Cassie relying too much on her body-reading ability, Batman's footwork sucking , etc.

I'm just pointing out that dc has formidable streets and MA. If anything, they have the over powered ones.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He is. Bruce's stats and skill + Dick's agility + Shiva's body-reading.

He's actually even better, considering he has actual super-powers.

Lol, no. Cap and Panther have learned every martial art there is on Earth, something that actually was stated on panel.
Even someone like Kobra has done that.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol why the f*** would i have to show him beating any MA when i showed him effortlessly dodging bullets (from a high level MA in pool...) and straight up beating a legit speedster??

Because that's how you measure up against in street hierarchy. Just like in every other category.

Katana has done all that stuff too. Put her against someone like Batman and he would take her out in one hit.

Its skill that matters.



Haha, right. Next you are gonna tell me Blade takes out Captain America or Daredevil because he is "bullet timer" and can hit "a speedster".

Since when did you join CBR?



Moon knight has outright defeated Deadpool in sword fight and chopped him to pieces.

You are taking as if Deadpool is some kind of master martial artist. Take away his HF and even Damian Wayne would kick his ass.



Of course he has. Beating down Batman and Deathstroke is far better than dodging bullets and hitting a speedster and getting oneshotted by Captain America.

Speaking of fighting Vampires, even a D level MA in DC like Katana can fight several of them at once and break their necks with a simple kick.

http://i.imgur.com/597Gxp7.jpg

Bullets dodging and blocking with her katana. Even light beams from Dr. Light.

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She is a meta!!!!!

Wow. Abhi, are you butthurt about losing the argument?

What did he lose? You guys haven't proven that blade can win. I think this fight will be similar to Ras Al Ghul vs Deathstroke. Ras got the upper hand because of skill.

Originally posted by deathslash
Wow. Abhi, are you butthurt about losing the argument?
Wut?

Originally posted by abhilegend


She is a meta!!!!!

lol

cuz that's helpful. good lord....even your own scan owned you when it showed her snapping a vamps neck and that doing nothing! lol only her sword can kill them! does bt have katana's sword then?? only you would think that scan in ANY WAY helps your cause! i mean you realize we're talking about bt not someone wielding a magic sword, yes? and vamps in marvel were taking down spiderman so i'm sure they're the same thing. but good job with more (really awful) abc logic.

seriously, you keep talking but showing nothing. in mean, nothing for bt. you know, the guy in the actual thread? most would have just dropped it by now and taken the loss. a massive lol at stalemating bats and stalemating deathstroke as being uber though. it's nowhere close to being as meaningful as you wish it was. again, not sure if you recall how this whole thing works at kmc, but....feats are what matter. you have none so you have no leg to stand on. at all. you do like to mention that cap showing though, as if it were somehow turrible. so, how about if you show it to everyone. i could show cap struggling with baron blood--a vamp<<blade since you are so fond of abc logic. and like i said, i could show spidey getting his a$$ handed to him by vamps that blade regularly manhandles. but that's all easy to find stuff and i don't need to since....you have nothing. at all.

it's hilarious you somehow think bt would sweep this match. the way you've argued it, anyone reading this would be hard-pressed to give bt a single win in this match up. since you have nothing of relevance there is no need to keep this up. always fun though.

Originally posted by Zack M
What did he lose? You guys haven't proven that blade can win. I think this fight will be similar to Ras Al Ghul vs Deathstroke. Ras got the upper hand because of skill.



cuz you've proven tiger wins?? good lord.... again, in this forum, it is FEATS that matter. i've shown some that bt can't match. you guys have shown....NOTHING. it's really kinda ridiculous this has gone this far tbh...

You can't seriously debate Blade's skill with BT. :/

why the hell, again, would i need to? blade is very skilled--not as skilled as bt, but he's matched deadpool as a quick example--but has strength, speed, healing, armor AND a weapon! lol the skill gap is no where close to big enough to make up for all that. enough to get him a couple wins? sure? a majority, or (lol) a sweep?? c'mon....

But we've seen BT go up against foes who are his physical superior with inferior skills. Why wouldn't this be any different?

Originally posted by Zack M
But we've seen BT go up against foes who are his physical superior with inferior skills. Why wouldn't this be any different? because Slade was tired and steel wolf has no real skill to speak of.

Originally posted by deathslash
because Slade was tired and steel wolf has no real skill to speak of.

How tired was Slade? A weakened Slade has done some impressive things.

And how skilled is Blade compared to BT, in your opinion? Ra's (who is more skilled than Slade) took apart Deathstroke despite his enhanced stats. Could you see Ra's doing the same to Blade? Off topic, just want to know your opinion.

Originally posted by leonidas
why the hell, again, would i need to? blade is very skilled--not as skilled as bt, but he's matched deadpool as a quick example--but has strength, speed, healing, armor AND a weapon! lol the skill gap is no where close to big enough to make up for all that. enough to get him a couple wins? sure? a majority, or (lol) a sweep?? c'mon.... I agree.

Originally posted by Zack M
How tired was Slade? A weakened Slade has done some impressive things.

And how skilled is Blade compared to BT, in your opinion? Ra's (who is more skilled than Slade) took apart Deathstroke despite his enhanced stats. Could you see Ra's doing the same to Blade? Off topic, just want to know your opinion. it wasn't stated how tired he was, but he fought BT after several days (or was it weeks?) of running from the US government. It'd be reasonable to assume that it at least factored into the victory.

I'm not gonna bullshit you, as far as skill goes, blade is probably within the top 40 of Marvel (top 15 if we're talking about swordsmanship), but his stats are undeniably above those of BT (ffs, he ripped a vampire's head off with one hand) and tiger only has a non skilled steel wolf and tired and (arguably) holding back slade to his name as far as enhanced opponents go. I would like to see the scans of that fight. Either way, I think that ra's beating death stroke could be PIS or a very high end showing for him. Ra's has struggled with Tim before and batman has beaten him more often than not. That doesn't mean that they can now beat slade.

Let's also not forget that shiva has owned him before (when he had the help of other league of assassin members no less), the best he could do was stalemate batman, and cat man was dominating him. Has he fought characters that are more powerful than him? Sure, and he's still alive to tell the tale. Has he lost to or only just managed to match opposes that should feasibly be underneath him? F*ck yeah!

Originally posted by deathslash
it wasn't stated how tired he was, but he fought BT after several days (or was it weeks?) of running from the US government. It'd be reasonable to assume that it at least factored into the victory.

I'm not gonna bullshit you, as far as skill goes, blade is probably within the top 40 of Marvel (top 15 if we're talking about swordsmanship), but his stats are undeniably above those of BT (ffs, he ripped a vampire's head off with one hand) and tiger only has a non skilled steel wolf and tired and (arguably) holding back slade to his name as far as enhanced opponents go. I would like to see the scans of that fight. Either way, I think that ra's beating death stroke could be PIS or a very high end showing for him. Ra's has struggled with Tim before and batman has beaten him more often than not. That doesn't mean that they can now beat slade.

Let's also not forget that shiva has owned him before (when he had the help of other league of assassin members no less), the best he could do was stalemate batman, and cat man was dominating him. Has he fought characters that are more powerful than him? Sure, and he's still alive to tell the tale. Has he lost to or only just managed to match opposes that should feasibly be underneath him? F*ck yeah!

I was speaking about DCnU Ras. Not pre Flashpoint.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol

cuz that's helpful. good lord....even your own scan owned you when it showed her snapping a vamps neck and that doing nothing! lol only her sword can kill them! does bt have katana's sword then?? only you would think that scan in ANY WAY helps your cause! i mean you realize we're talking about bt not someone wielding a magic sword, yes? and vamps in marvel were taking down spiderman so i'm sure they're the same thing. but good job with more (really awful) abc logic.


Yes, I showed Blade's entire history with a random D list MA and you are focusing how she couldn't kill vampires with a kick?

Vampires in DC have taken down ****ing Superman and wonder woman.

Yes, his specefic weaponry is useful against vampires. That's it. There is nothing special about killing cannon fodder vampires.



Why would I do that when I'm having so much fun at Blade dodging bullets and punching Deadpool once to be such a high feat.



Stalemating Batman and Deathstroke? He beat both.

And yes, its a major feat. Better than getting oneshotted by Captain America. I like how you disregard that and don't even mention that.

Or getting beaten by Gambit of all people. After Blade ambushed him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3315326-gambit+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3315327-gambit+3.jpg

Getting casually beaten by Logan.

Called out on his weak skill, in a Hudlin comic no less.



Fights matter more than random feats.

That's why people made fun of h1a8. And still do.




And I could show you Cap beating Vamps like they owed him money. Baron Blood's feats are not transferable to Blade.




If Blade manhandles the same vamps which Spidey got his ass handed to him, you may have a point.

As it is, two different characters handled two different vamps two different way.

First you have to prove that the vamps were the exact match in power. Good luck with that.



Yeah, I already proved it. Blade hasn't won a single fight worth mentioning. He has been beaten by any skilled MA he comes across.

You have shown him dodging bullets and whatnot which are irrelevant in an actual fight.

Like I said, when he actually beats someone worth a damn, let me know.

Without that, he doesn't wins a single fight here.

Originally posted by leonidas


cuz you've proven tiger wins?? good lord.... again, in this forum, it is FEATS that matter. i've shown some that bt can't match. you guys have shown....NOTHING. it's really kinda ridiculous this has gone this far tbh...

What? How is it showing nothing when we've shown BT putting down a guy in one set of scans that in another it clearly states a bazooka to the face wouldn't ? ?? Not to mention that in that other set of scans BT still stunned him. Y I uve mentioned a handful of feats of Blade taking on less. Stalnoivok is every bit as skilled as the opponents you've shown Blade take down but is stronger, faster and VASTLY more durable. Dutches is also above the stats level of all of them (given she's matched Big Barda on all stats as Lashina). Ravan is more skilled and with exoskeleton much more of a threat. I also recall BT taking on and down a memeber of red trinity (sonic lebel speedster).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I showed Blade's entire history with a random D list MA and you are focusing how she couldn't kill vampires with a kick?

Vampires in DC have taken down ****ing Superman and wonder woman.

Yes, his specefic weaponry is useful against vampires. That's it. There is nothing special about killing cannon fodder vampires.



Why would I do that when I'm having so much fun at Blade dodging bullets and punching Deadpool once to be such a high feat.



Stalemating Batman and Deathstroke? He beat both.

And yes, its a major feat. Better than getting oneshotted by Captain America. I like how you disregard that and don't even mention that.

Or getting beaten by Gambit of all people. After Blade ambushed him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3315326-gambit+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115588/3315327-gambit+3.jpg

Getting casually beaten by Logan.

Called out on his weak skill, in a Hudlin comic no less.



Fights matter more than random feats.

That's why people made fun of h1a8. And still do.




And I could show you Cap beating Vamps like they owed him money. Baron Blood's feats are not transferable to Blade.




If Blade manhandles the same vamps which Spidey got his ass handed to him, you may have a point.

As it is, two different characters handled two different vamps two different way.

First you have to prove that the vamps were the exact match in power. Good luck with that.



Yeah, I already proved it. Blade hasn't won a single fight worth mentioning. He has been beaten by any skilled MA he comes across.

You have shown him dodging bullets and whatnot which are irrelevant in an actual fight.

Like I said, when he actually beats someone worth a damn, let me know.

Without that, he doesn't wins a single fight here.

lol sweet. so iyo tiger>batman and tiger>stroke. that's good to know for later. i actually don't mind that because catman nearly killed bt so clearly catman>=stroke and bats. i love catman, so awesome for me!

again, i won't resort to showing a bunch of scans of a HEALTHY deathstroke losing to chumps or bat's lesser feats....

and you STILL keep on with that cap fight. so....where is it?? show us this embarrassing beat down. i asked once already, so, let's see it. he could barely hold his own vs baron frickin blood, but ambarrassingly beats down blade? love to see it....

and only in your world would anyone call that "fight" with gambit a loss. getting tripped=losing now? good lord abhi.... btw that fight was pre-daywalker--ie, that was a much less powerful blade than the later version, and further below the current version who was teaching chi power and using magic....

you criticize blade for not having any key wins, then show bt having an upperhand against a wounded slade, and getting in a good shot vs batman umpteen years ago.... hypocritical much?

anyway, a couple things i guess because i'm bored:

here's a WEAKENED blade (after being drained of his blood) fighting a vampire Spider-Man in a Cage:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpidey.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpidey2.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpidey3.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpidey4.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpidey5.jpg

and since you're so fond of 2 panel fights that count as wins, here he takes down a vampiric Spider-Man while holding back:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpiderman.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpiderman2.jpg

but he has weapons!! no sh!t. those are all regular gear for blade, who always has his sword, a variety of knives and typically a cross bow with him.... and notice the vamp who no sold spidey's punches at the start.

here he fights a vamp god:

Blade vs the vampire god the Reaper:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsReaper.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsReaper2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/Bladevsreaper3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/Bladevsreaper4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/Bladevsreaper5.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/Bladevsreaper6.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/Bladevsreaper7.jpg

yes he used the sun, but he showed crazy durability and damage soak. but that guy was like a z-lister with no feats!! i know, i know, i'm sure bt could have handled that guy without problems, amiright?

and in the event he would ever need it, blade CAN turn into a bat:

http://s31.photobucket.com/user/Doggydogg/media/Bladebat2_zps36a5f84d.jpg.html

lol

but he hasn't beaten a good MA! that is ridiculous abhi....

show bt beating anyone with super powers that WASN'T hurt/weakened like slade was. this has gotten to the point of idiocy now. you STILL have nothing beyond HE's A REALLY GOOD MA!!11! again, that doesn't and will not ever be enough.

Originally posted by beatboks
What? How is it showing nothing when we've shown BT putting down a guy in one set of scans that in another it clearly states a bazooka to the face wouldn't ? ?? Not to mention that in that other set of scans BT still stunned him. Y I uve mentioned a handful of feats of Blade taking on less. Stalnoivok is every bit as skilled as the opponents you've shown Blade take down but is stronger, faster and VASTLY more durable. Dutches is also above the stats level of all of them (given she's matched Big Barda on all stats as Lashina). Ravan is more skilled and with exoskeleton much more of a threat. I also recall BT taking on and down a memeber of red trinity (sonic lebel speedster).

putting down who now? you mean that steel wolf scan?? he hit him from behind once, bounced around and had his feet caught. in what world is THAT a feat? because he hurt him slightly then needed vixen to help him take his out? wth is going on in this thread??

according to abhi the ravan scan is meaningless because she's some random z-lister. hell, i can show blade taking out multiple doombots with just h2h. at least doombots have feats to fall back on.... when you get right down to it even steel wolf is a z-lister and according to abhi, those guys don't count. so you have one fight against bats, and one against a weakened slade. that amounts to pretty much nothing in my book i'm afraid....

I was thinking about jumping in here but it looks like leo has things under control.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I was thinking about jumping in here but it looks like leo has things under control. yep. Blade wins, Leo is right, and abhi is wrong.

That Reaper thing Blade lifts up looks as big as an elephant.

Definitely a great street leveler strength feat.

Originally posted by leonidas
putting down who now? you mean that steel wolf scan?? he hit him from behind once, bounced around and had his feet caught. in what world is THAT a feat? because he hurt him slightly then needed vixen to help him take his out? wth is going on in this thread??

according to abhi the ravan scan is meaningless because she's some random z-lister. hell, i can show blade taking out multiple doombots with just h2h. at least doombots have feats to fall back on.... when you get right down to it even steel wolf is a z-lister and according to abhi, those guys don't count. so you have one fight against bats, and one against a weakened slade. that amounts to pretty much nothing in my book i'm afraid....

Yes steel wolf. The fact he hit him from behind doesnt change his managing to put down someone of vastly greater durabioity than anyone youve shown Balde facing. The two scan i loaded at the top of page 7 (oc one of the othrr times they faced) clearly state that a bazooka wouldnt faze him. Yet BT could by using a skilled strike to the right point. He also managed to do it in the other scan attacking eardrums.

This is a guy who cant be put down by Vixen and knly was with BT's help (a third fight i dont cohnt because he wasnt alone).

Ravan isnt a she, but a he (also loaded a scan of the cover). In the issue of SS they first faced him the squads intel listed him as a top notch assasin and martial artist. There was even some doubt that Ben was in his league. During the fight he wore an exoskeleton every other punch he missed ben with (because ben dodged) went straight thru brick walls.in so far as his only appearsnces i know of are in SS he cant be rated a or b no.

The she i referred to was Dutchess of the suicide squad. The same Dutchess who was Lashina of Darkseids furies who has matched toe to toe with Big Barda. How is a class 60 odd character who is a skiĺled enough fighter she can match a class 100 a z lister ???

Your big argument for Blade is greater stats but BT has fought opponents with vastly higher stats. My question is how can that ride. You discou t feats because of not significant but elevate feats of lower significance for Blade. Nothing one sided in that stance

Re Catman, he has equally matched Bats a few times. BEN has also beat hkm a few. Different writers write him at different levels, i prefer him good but jot over the top.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol sweet. so iyo tiger>batman and tiger>stroke. that's good to know for later. i actually don't mind that because catman nearly killed bt so clearly catman>=stroke and bats. i love catman, so awesome for me!
Haha, seriously? Tiger defeated Catman which even Batman couldn't.



And I could see their high feats. Which Blade doesn't has.



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JhIZCxyEk2o/U2Nkj3vdq6I/AAAAAAADJMA/6NioJYVTHmM/s1600/-011.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cZdC5jF3aik/U2NkkGuTMII/AAAAAAADJMU/5OifJEQyZ6I/s1600/-012.jpg

There you go.



It makes him look bad as **** if he gets embarssased after ambushing Gambit.

Yeah, and still as useless as ever.



Because he doesn't has hundreds of showings like Blade does. His average is just that high.



Weakened? Haha, did you even read the comic? Blade was turned into an artificial vampire which greatly enhanced his strength.

Spidey still KTFO him in two pages. Way to go Blade.



Yes, by shooting him. Punisher has done the same.



He was amped. Spidey beat down several normal vampires at the start of the comic casually.



Yes. If a loser like Blade can, why not Tiger?



That's like so useful.



Yeah, that's enough in itself. Blade has a history of losing to MAs anyway.

Originally posted by beatboks
Yes steel wolf. The fact he hit him from behind doesnt change his managing to put down someone of vastly greater durabioity than anyone youve shown Balde facing. The two scan i loaded at the top of page 7 (oc one of the othrr times they faced) clearly state that a bazooka wouldnt faze him. Yet BT could by using a skilled strike to the right point. He also managed to do it in the other scan attacking eardrums.

This is a guy who cant be put down by Vixen and knly was with BT's help (a third fight i dont cohnt because he wasnt alone).

Ravan isnt a she, but a he (also loaded a scan of the cover). In the issue of SS they first faced him the squads intel listed him as a top notch assasin and martial artist. There was even some doubt that Ben was in his league. During the fight he wore an exoskeleton every other punch he missed ben with (because ben dodged) went straight thru brick walls.in so far as his only appearsnces i know of are in SS he cant be rated a or b no.

The she i referred to was Dutchess of the suicide squad. The same Dutchess who was Lashina of Darkseids furies who has matched toe to toe with Big Barda. How is a class 60 odd character who is a skiĺled enough fighter she can match a class 100 a z lister ???

Your big argument for Blade is greater stats but BT has fought opponents with vastly higher stats. My question is how can that ride. You discou t feats because of not significant but elevate feats of lower significance for Blade. Nothing one sided in that stance

Re Catman, he has equally matched Bats a few times. BEN has also beat hkm a few. Different writers write him at different levels, i prefer him good but jot over the top.

you're not going to win anyone over by saying he beat ravan boks. bats humiliated that guy at one point. and bats did much better in a longer fight against steel wolf than tiger did. again, these are just....nothing. steel wolf and ravan??

i could show bt getting one shot/leg shattered by a single manhunter. he was humiliated again by some random new god--his punches didn't even do any harm then he was swatted away like a gnat, so not sure where lashina comes in. she was destroying the whole squad...

i'm not discounting anything. far from it. but beating bats once and later stalemating him and having an advantage against a weak slade (who didn't even really want to fight) simply aren't enough to say he beats blade. if blade were unarmed, sure, i'd take bt for a small majority as well. but blade has his typical gear including armor and weapons. somehow you and abhi make it sound like I'M the crazy one for taking blade when overall feats are about equal, blade has far better stats and has weapons and armor. bt might take a couple, but he's not taking more than that in this match i'm afraid.