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If you had to pick one character, who is DC's most powerful Telepath? And why?

Hasn't Saturn Girl displayed galaxy-level TP before?

Brainiac

The original Guardians (basically just Ganthet still alive) and the Controllers have displayed telepathy on a universal scale. Controllers have controlled a large number of civilizations through it and are a race who created the Sun Eater and the Miracle Machine, with their mental strength being their top forte. ITO telekinesis wise they could effortlessly move the cosmos. Theyd be my bet.

Kyle also said Ganthet could crack a planet in half with a thought.

Despero should be up there. Darkseid.

Forgot about Starro he should be above Despero and Darkseid for sure. He might be 2nd to the Controllers/Ganthet

Originally posted by RangerDX
The original Guardians (basically just Ganthet still alive) and the Controllers have displayed telepathy on a universal scale. Controllers have controlled a large number of civilizations through it and are a race who created the Sun Eater and the Miracle Machine, with their mental strength being their top forte. ITO telekinesis wise they could effortlessly move the cosmos. Theyd be my bet.

Kyle also said Ganthet could crack a planet in half with a thought.

Despero should be up there. Darkseid.

I'm assuming we're looking for specifically post-crisis telepaths here. That throws out Guardians, who are more talk than feats for the most part (and while Kyle said that about Ganthet, it would be a TK feat not a TP feat and it didn't actually happen). Same with Darkseid, who's best TP feat (GDS) occurred Pre-Crisis.

Originally posted by RangerDX
Forgot about Starro he should be above Despero and Darkseid for sure. He might be 2nd to the Controllers/Ganthet

Going to borrow from beatboks from a similar thread:

Originally posted by beatboks
Starro shouldn't be in the list.
He's not a telepath, he's a parasite that forms a simbiotic relationship.
No starro spore on host, no ability to connect to their mind.

Originally posted by Cogito
Hasn't Saturn Girl displayed galaxy-level TP before? Universal.

I think pre crisis Hector Hammond was also pretty potent.

Originally posted by Zack M
If you had to pick one character, who is DC's most powerful Telepath? And why?
Are we setting a limit? Or are we going to drop cosmic hitters at a dime?

Dr. Fate has Galaxy Level TP and Shielding.

Consistently Starro.

Limiting only people on DC earth. No cosmic/space here.

If we're only limiting to Earth, Fate/Zatanna?

Consistently I don't see Fate or Zatanna really using TP on a grand level.

I'd probably say J'onn, The Key, Maxwell Lord.

Max Lord is definitely the best earth-based telepath, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Max Lord is definitely the best earth-based telepath, imo.

Even above classic Psimon?

Hard to say. Psimon was beastly for sure.

Maxima would be way up there as well... Though I suppose she was only earth-based for a few years. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to say. Psimon was beastly for sure.

Maxima would be way up there as well... Though I suppose she was only earth-based for a few years. /shrug

Wasn't Psimon's most impressive feat is mentally dominating planets light years away?

I forgot about Milton Fine, Brainiac. Didnt he do the same thing?

Originally posted by Zack M
Wasn't Psimon's most impressive feat is mentally dominating planets light years away?

I forgot about Milton Fine, Brainiac. Didnt he do the same thing?

After he was put into a coma in PANIC IN THE SKIES, somehow the coma made him more powerful and while in that coma, he created an illusion so powerful it showed up in pictures and fooled S.T.A.R. Labs equipment, while Brainiac was on New Genesis. Which is in another dimension/universe.

Psimon was able to destroy planets back in the day:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491943_New_Titans_114-09.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491944_New_Titans_114-14.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491945_New_Titans_114-17.jpg

Donna later recalled the above scene:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491941_Darkstars_1992_28_-_10.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491942_Darkstars_1992_28_-_12.jpg

But that was more of a one-off feat, imo... Like Saturn Girl telepathically scanning the entire universe in the space of a panel or so, lol.



For me, Max mind-wiping the entire earth's populace(heroes included), and ultimately restoring the memories he erased, is absolutely ridiculous. Especially given that he preformed the latter quite easily -- he didn't use any extra blood and/or lose consciousness. IOW, his TP substantially improved between feats.

Nice, guys.

Originally posted by Galan007
Psimon was able to destroy planets back in the day:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491943_New_Titans_114-09.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491944_New_Titans_114-14.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491945_New_Titans_114-17.jpg

Donna later recalled the above scene:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491941_Darkstars_1992_28_-_10.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491942_Darkstars_1992_28_-_12.jpg


Wait, wouldn't this be a telekinesis feat?

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Originally posted by Delta1938
Wait, wouldn't this be a telekinesis feat? It's a TK feat, yeah. I only posted it because Golgs asked about Psimon's global feats, and that's the one that came to mind.

Not applicable to this thread, obviously.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's a TK feat, yeah. I only posted it because Golgs asked about Psimon's global feats, and that's the one that came to mind.

Not applicable to this thread, obviously.

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He honestly has some pretty good feats but alot of writers ignore the idea of his telepathy working beyond sealife which is definitely an issue in current continuity. J'onn was always the go to guy for the League when it came to TP even with Aquaman on the League.

Makes me wish we'd seen PAD write some decently long JLA stories back then.

Originally posted by Cogito
I'm assuming we're looking for specifically post-crisis telepaths here. That throws out Guardians, who are more talk than feats for the most part (and while Kyle said that about Ganthet, it would be a TK feat not a TP feat and it didn't actually happen). Same with Darkseid, who's best TP feat (GDS) occurred Pre-Crisis.



Going to borrow from beatboks from a similar thread:
Everything Guardians did is canon post crisis.

Originally posted by Galan007
Psimon was able to destroy planets back in the day:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491943_New_Titans_114-09.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491944_New_Titans_114-14.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491945_New_Titans_114-17.jpg

Donna later recalled the above scene:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491941_Darkstars_1992_28_-_10.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491942_Darkstars_1992_28_-_12.jpg

But that was more of a one-off feat, imo... Like Saturn Girl telepathically scanning the entire universe in the space of a panel or so, lol.



For me, Max mind-wiping the entire earth's populace(heroes included), and ultimately restoring the memories he erased, is absolutely ridiculous. Especially given that he preformed the latter quite easily -- he didn't use any extra blood and/or lose consciousness. IOW, his TP substantially improved between feats.
Saturn Girl scanned the whole multiverse and brought along every legion that ever existed in LO3W.

That's one of the most beastly TP feats I've ever seen.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Makes me wish we'd seen PAD write some decently long JLA stories back then.

That honestly would of been awesome. Johns gives Aquaman alot of good quality traeatment in regards to physicals, but Telepathy is missed he honestly had alot of really impressive high up showings, they just are a bit wobbly due to being ignored by some writers.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That honestly would of been awesome. Johns gives Aquaman alot of good quality traeatment in regards to physicals, but Telepathy is missed he honestly had alot of really impressive high up showings, they just are a bit wobbly due to being ignored by some writers.

Funny, how Pad was almost the opposite in that he focused so much on the telepathy that physicality was rare.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Saturn Girl scanned the whole multiverse and brought along every legion that ever existed in LO3W.

That's one of the most beastly TP feats I've ever seen.

Scan?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Funny, how Pad was almost the opposite in that he focused so much on the telepathy that physicality was rare.

I honestly didn't mind that though, cause you have like 4 other characters on the League who are powerhouses whereas generally only one telepath being MMH, Aquaman being a legit telepath gave him more diversity not only among other Atlanteans but also among alot of his League colleagues.

I like writers playing up his trident abilities for the same reason though.

To be honest I'd love if he was consistently portrayed as a powerhouse without a allowed Trident and Insane telepathy :P

Mix the the 3 things writers normally focus on seperately.

PAD Era Aquaman did have insane TP though. Inducing pain on several Atlanteans , and during Obsidian Age Martian Manhunter showed trouble Probing two Ancient Atlanteans because apparently Atlanteans have TP blocks. Also TPing Swampthing whose conscious is on another Plane, and then there's the Dead Conscious feat as well.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I honestly didn't mind that though, cause you have like 4 other characters on the League who are powerhouses whereas generally only one telepath being MMH, Aquaman being a legit telepath gave him more diversity not only among other Atlanteans but also among alot of his League colleagues.

I like writers playing up his trident abilities for the same reason though.

To be honest I'd love if he was consistently portrayed as a powerhouse without a allowed Trident and Insane telepathy :P

Mix the the 3 things writers normally focus on seperately.

PAD Era Aquaman did have insane TP though. Inducing pain on several Atlanteans , and during Obsidian Age Martian Manhunter showed trouble Probing two Ancient Atlanteans because apparently Atlanteans have TP blocks. Also TPing Swampthing whose conscious is on another Plane, and then there's the Dead Conscious feat as well.

Yeah, he had some really nice feats.

I'd also prefer a balance, tbh. Some stories can focus on his TP, some can focus on his physicality. David wrote him for a very long time, so it just felt a little unbalanced to me, even as impressive as his telepathy was.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, he had some really nice feats.

I'd also prefer a balance, tbh. Some stories can focus on his TP, some can focus on his physicality. David wrote him for a very long time, so it just felt a little unbalanced to me, even as impressive as his telepathy was.

I always thought he did that to remind peolle Arthur was more than just a water breather.
His fight with Korvac causing pain to any creature for miles due to psychic backlash. His TP communicating with so many across the world when orchestrating resistance of that alien threat etc.

But u look at other eras the focus was much more on the physical. Look at the New Venus era. When Arthur gave up his thrown and he and mera lived in the sunken police station. It was almost all physicals

Originally posted by abhilegend
Saturn Girl scanned the whole multiverse and brought along every legion that ever existed in LO3W.

That's one of the most beastly TP feats I've ever seen. Originally posted by a88378438
Scan? Here is the scene:
http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Here is the scene:
http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpg

Holy crap! So, Saturn Girl>>Maxwell Lord?

^ Oh yeah.

She's got some very uber showings. Another is when she telepathically scanned the entire universe in the space of a single panel:
http://i.imgur.com/ZBUTXKc.jpg

Max's brain would pop like a zit if he tried to do something like that... But I didn't think Imra would be regarded as an 'earth-based' character, so I was leaving her out of this thread. /shrug

Brainwave should be included also. His best feat was affecting Corrigan Spectre.

Originally posted by SithLantern93
Brainwave should be included also. His best feat was affecting Corrigan Spectre.

I wouldnt call that Brainwave's best feat (based on the mention of Spec we are talking Snr and not hank Jnr).

He pretty much stated that he made Spec sense danger elsewhere because he wasnt ready to face him.

I would place his feat of TP casting illusions all over the globe and affecting Classic Fate and others was greater. Also when his tp projections simultaneously fought Spectre, and the rest.of the JSA in several different cities at once.

Hes not however Saturn Girl's level

Saturn Girl's TP is not multiversal. There was clear context to that feat.

1. There were tears in the fabric of reality at vanishing point (where she was) through which every parallel universe/time was accessible.
2. They used 3 Legion rings augmented by Lightning Lad's power to "amp up their communication capabilities"

Scene posted by Galan in another thread
Originally posted by Galan007
Here is the scene:
http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpg

That said, she does have a universal TP scanning feat under her belt, so she's definitely no slouch. Heck even the multiversal feat was uber, but the context can't be ignored.

Originally posted by Cogito
Saturn Girl's TP is not multiversal. There was clear context to that feat.

1. There were tears in the fabric of reality at vanishing point (where she was) through which every parallel universe/time was accessible.
2. They used 3 Legion rings augmented by Lightning Lad's power to "amp up their communication capabilities"

Scene posted by Galan in another thread


That said, she does have a universal TP scanning feat under her belt, so she's definitely no slouch. Heck even the multiversal feat was uber, but the context can't be ignored.
Yes, she used the pathways to contact the Legion throughout the multiverse but the scanning of the multiverse was all her own.

The communication boost was to send the distress signal to all the Legions. It didn't amp her TP.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, she used the pathways to contact the Legion throughout the multiverse but the scanning of the multiverse was all her own.

The communication boost was to send the distress signal to all the Legions. It didn't amp her TP.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense that they'd send two messages.

And it's contradicted by the bottom left panel of the third scan, which pretty clearly is showing the rings amping her message.

Originally posted by Cogito
Yeah, that doesn't make sense that they'd send two messages.

And it's contradicted by the bottom left panel of the third scan, which pretty clearly is showing the rings amping her message.


The Legion rings don't amp her TP. It's a communication device which sent a distress signal.

Originally posted by abhilegend


The Legion rings don't amp her TP. It's a communication device which sent a distress signal.

I don't care about what makes sense logically, but that's clearly what's happening in that scene.

Earth-based, I'm going with Maxwell Lord here.

Superman.

Abhi, please post the relevant scans.

Originally posted by Cogito
I don't care about what makes sense logically, but that's clearly what's happening in that scene.
Yes, sending a distress signal is just somehow amping her TP.

/sarcasm

Originally posted by Cogito
Yeah, that doesn't make sense that they'd send two messages.

And it's contradicted by the bottom left panel of the third scan, which pretty clearly is showing the rings amping her message. Abhi doesn't comprehend scans.