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Who wins?

Isn't Xesh a bit too much for him the Force?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Isn't Xesh a bit too much for him the Force?

Yeah, Havok dominated him with Lightning.

If Draco can stay on the offensive with a saber, he could take it.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yeah, Havok dominated him with Lightning.


In Draco's defense, he was exhausted at that point.


But yea, Xesh has a definite force edge.


Xesh wins force, Draco wins sabers, all-out Xesh probably has some edge though like you say, if Draco stays on the offensive in sabers he can win it.

Xesh probably curbs with the Force.

Xesh likely takes all rounds. It helps that they were penned under the same author, meaning Ostrander's idea of what these characters can do translates over better than usual. In that regard, Xesh is a total Force anomaly and this translates to his Forcesaber skill as well, given that he's a swordsman first and foremost (claiming he would he as good as armless without his sword).

Draco isn't presented as being on the same level, in terms of feats, accolades or any kind of holistic intent, in amy category. He dies respectably.

His forcesaber skill didn't impress me- The battle with the Je'daii rangers, they were able to get hits on him and the only reason he had the upper hand is his forcesaber sliced through their weapons.

Granted, those were skillful Je'daii, but he's not an exceptional talent with physical fighting in the same way he is with the force. Solid, but his feats don't stand out.

Featwise, Draco's defeats of over a half-dozen Sith at once, and his clashes with other high-level Legacy duelists is more impressive.

I don't find it overly fair to take Xesh's first showing in a series that spans years, while he had a concussion, against three main characters, and say that because of it he has to be below Antares when considering him at his best hour against relative no-names, albeit a lot of them.

Xesh has cut through just as many Flesh raiders - beings the Rakatans bred specifically for war - and throughout the year-long battle against the Rakata Xesh and the other Je'daii were constantly fighting them from all sides, as the narrative notes.

Then I'd point out that Xesh's track record against powerful opponents is no worse than Antares'. He clearly outclasses Sek'nos Rath and Daegen Lok as swordsmen - Rath because he's shown him up multiple times, I'll get onto Lok later - and these are two Je'daii who with a cliff at their back held off easily over a dozen flesh raiders coming at them in constant streams.

He defeated Skal'nas, the Rakatan Emperor; the Rakatans operate under the same system as the Sith in that only the most intelligent, cunning and powerful Rakatan can remain as their leader, meaning Skal'nas eliminated anyone who could have tried to challenge him in an Order of Force-sensitive warrior who were in control of most of the galaxy at the time. So, a lot of competition. And also, 'nas totally dominated Lok when they fought.

It's also noted by Ostrander that in terms of skill, the Force Hounds are analogous to Jedi; Xesh being the greatest of the Force Hounds is essentially the same as if he was the greatest Jedi of his day, and because of his victory over 'nas, better than any Sith either.

This being opposed to Draco stalemating Havok and Roan Fel?

Xesh is also, clearly, far more powerful than Antares in the Force, displaying a greater variety of advanced techniques and more powerful usage of basic ones like telekinesis. Yet, despite that, Xesh prided himself on his swordsmanship before anything else. Tell me; would his immense connection to the Force not allow him to become a greater swordsman than someone like Draco, given that he dedicated just as much Force training to his saber skill as anything else?

This bearing in mind that one's connection to the Force is noted as being by far the most important part of any lightsaber duel.

Or you could just read this:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/i_like_swords/blog/xesh-tau-respect-thread/100087/

Yeah, Xesh's kind of like the Anakin of his time. Holistically, he's considerably beyond any of the Imperial Knights.

http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/star-wars-feat-xesh-tython-and-a-force-storm.25288/

After seeing Chaos sum up the Force Storm feat so nicely, I'm inclined to believe in a battle of feats, Draco is quite screwed.

Thoughts, Q99?

Originally posted by ILS
I don't find it overly fair to take Xesh's first showing in a series that spans years, while he had a concussion, against three main characters, and say that because of it he has to be below Antares when considering him at his best hour against relative no-names, albeit a lot of them.

Note he *also* has fights against bigger names like Darth Talon (stalemate), Niin/Havok (beat him, back when Niin was his master), Cade Skywalker (briefly, indecisive), and Roan Fel (dueled on even level in sabers, got punched when distracted, then won because that didn't stop him and Roan really wanted to hit a button).


Anteras Draco has a pretty good list of feats... pretty much all of them saber-related and often against people who in turn have feats.

Xesh, meanwhile, it's not like he has much in the way of saber feats aside from the one vs the Jed'aii rangers (and sure, they're main characters... but they still managed when their weapons were useless). He beat one ranked Rakatan, but that's it. Even when he defeated Trill physically, he used TK *first*. His style is heavy force-based from what we've seen, and none of the people he fought was in turn noted to be specifically saber skilled or in the possession of great physical feats.


Overall I view Xesh as the stronger combatant, but he's like 65/35 force focused, while Draco's like 70/30 saber focused.

So even though Xesh has more points total, I'm pretty confident Draco can take him in sabers.

You do realise how severely you're overestimating Draco's accomplishments (the exchange with Cade not even being worth mentioning) and how badly you're undercutting Xesh, correct? "One ranked Rakatan"

Outright defeating the Emperor of the Rakata > skirmishing with Talon off-panel (only to be Force pushed when back in-shot), exchanging like one or two blows with Cade, and stalemating Havok/Roan.

Again, Xesh disagrees with you. Throughout the comics he kicks wholesale ass with his Forcesaber as well as using other abilities, but he prides himself on his saber talent first and foremost; he considers using telepathy to be underhanded and cowardly, even though he was able to embarrass Daegen Lok with it - who specialises in screwing up people's minds.

That should tell you how great of a swordsman he is.

Also, while there isn't a terrible amount to glean about the fighters of an era that has only been covered by one novel about the story of one Je'daii ranger, a short story and 15 comics, there are clearly similar roles being occupied as usual such as the era's prodigy, a Je'daii council, an evil emperor, a combat instructor/battlemaster, and so on, and Ostrander outright stated that the Force Hounds are supposed to be in line with Jedi. Xesh being the greatest of such a large order is telling. Him defeating the most powerful Rakatan - an order of beings who promote right by might - is a great feat, especially when we know what the characters like Daegen Lok are capable of that don't hold a candle to either 'nas or Xesh (killing groups of flesh raiders regularly, even when surrounded or backed up on a cliff).

Not even feats-only morons could possibly support Draco, tbh.

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