Kuurth (Juggernaut) vs Phoenix Cyclops (full power)

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Sin I AM
Kuurth. Really hate how Scott got owned by Doom

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Kuurth.
WTF? Cyclops erases him from existence.

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
WTF? Cyclops erases him from existence.

This.

h1a8
Originally posted by zopzop
WTF? Cyclops erases him from existence. How? His Cyttorak enchantment along with his Serpent enchantment says no.

Prove that Cyclops can erase anyone Skyfather level and below (or anyone period)

StiltmanFTW
Is Kuurth at FP, too?

ShadowFyre
Originally posted by h1a8
How? His Cyttorak enchantment along with his Serpent enchantment says no.

Prove that Cyclops can erase anyone Skyfather level and below (or anyone period)

How is Kuurth a skyfather? I agree with your question though. Cyclops did not show full knowledge of his power so we cant say he just erased theem but how he slung Thor and Hulk around says he should decimate Kuirth. This is a stomp.

carver9
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
How is Kuurth a skyfather? I agree with your question though. Cyclops did not show full knowledge of his power so we cant say he just erased theem but how he slung Thor and Hulk around says he should decimate Kuirth. This is a stomp.

He was one shotting everyone and punching them around the world. This is a non fight. Even at half power, Cyclops would stomp this. I would even go as far as saying when he had a forth of that power he would massacre with ease.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by zopzop
WTF? Cyclops erases him from existence.

Lol no. He was a novice with the PF hed get his neck broke again

ShadowFyre
kuurth was stalemated by a regular juggernaut. And your saying he beats the phoenix now? Seriously. Read the op. Its the Phoenix at full power regardless of the wielder. He is just oneminded and stubborn and a little insane cause theres a giant firebird in his head. Hes still that powerful, just cant use it right. But they were shown to be reality warpers at one fourth powwer and at full power Kuurths punching him isnt even go.na be noticed.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol no. He was a novice with the PF hed get his neck broke again

Do you know how powerful Doom was in that arc? MM had an army of Molecule man's in his body all around the Multi verse and he also had the entirety of the Beyonder race inside of him and he was feeding Doom this power. The same Doom who was working Panther with the IG. Lol...you thinking Cyclops losing to Doom is a low showing (and Cyclops was able to damage him at a much greater level than Panther with the IG), then...its...laughable. Kuurth would be less than an insect compared to this version of Doom. Instead of getting his neck snapped, Doom would wave his hand and kill Kuurth, Cytorrak, the Serpent, Juggernaut, and destroy the hammer at the same time.

carver9
Wait, I forgot to mention, God Doom beat Black Panther who had the IG with a single punch.

carver9
And Panther was able to hurt Doom with assistance from Namor but Phoenix Cyclops did this before getting sneak attacked.

http://s27.postimg.org/w2uqtiin7/020.jpg

Hickman was also using the PF as an entity that can destroy and recreate life.

http://s15.postimg.org/boc4sw3qz/010.jpg

Anyways, PF annihilates this matchup.

Sin I AM
All youve shown me is a scan of Cyclops getting one shot. Color me unimpressed.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
All youve shown me is a scan of Cyclops getting one shot. Color me unimpressed.

Lol...so you're saying Kuurth would do better against God Doom (please say yes)?

Sin I AM
Dude Scott didn't do shit to doom. Quit reaching.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dude Scott didn't do shit to doom. Quit reaching.

So the scans I showed isn't doing shit? And again I ask, why are you bringing up God Doom? Do you think Kuurth can do better than the Phoenix (who got one shotted) and Black Panther who had the IG (who got one shotted)? People usually bring up showings against a character because they think the other characters can do better. What's your purpose? Or are you....

carver9
Thanos also got one shot killed.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/god-doom-kills-thanos-3.jpg

I guess Kuurth is a bad motha for him to achieve results that Thanos, Phoenix and Black Panther with the gauntlet couldn't achieve.

-Pr-
Cyclops hosting the Phoenix Force at all is ****ing retarded.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops hosting the Phoenix Force at all is ****ing retarded.

Minus Jean, who else would be a better choice though. Even though the Phoenix has tried to kill him in the past, he has a better understanding of its power and sensation of what wanting to take over its host.

krisblaze
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops hosting the Phoenix Force at all is ****ing retarded.

This.

Why would the force go for the decidedly lesser of all the summers brothers?

-Pr-
Originally posted by krisblaze
This.

Why would the force go for the decidedly lesser of all the summers brothers?

http://i.imgur.com/ILuAAcK.gif

You do realise you're still considered a sock, right?

"Id"
Originally posted by krisblaze
This.

Why would the force go for the decidedly lesser of all the summers brothers?

hahahab
laughing laughing laughing

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
So the scans I showed isn't doing shit? And again I ask, why are you bringing up God Doom? Do you think Kuurth can do better than the Phoenix (who got one shotted) and Black Panther who had the IG (who got one shotted)? People usually bring up showings against a character because they think the other characters can do better. What's your purpose? Or are you....

I never said hed do better. What i said was he was a scrub with the power he wielded. The pf is not aa uber as it once was.

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
The pf is not aa uber as it once was.
It doesn't have to be to destroy Kuurth.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by zopzop
It doesn't have to be to destroy Kuurth.

I dont see it. Unless im missing something because the scans shown didnt prove anything

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I never said hed do better. What i said was he was a scrub with the power he wielded. The pf is not aa uber as it once was.

Lol...anyone short of Mxy would be a scrub to God Doom. He had the power of an army of Beyonders (3 Beyonders stomped and killed LT) and the power of uncountless Owen Reese across the multiverse. This same dude one shot dropped Panther who had the freaking IG...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/black-panther-and-namor-vs-doctor-doom-secret-wars-5.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/black-panther-and-namor-vs-doctor-doom-secret-wars-6.jpg

You expecting Cyclops with the Phoenix force to outperform Doom who had power beyond pretty much anything shown in Marvel during the time is outright crazy.

Sin, what I am telling you is, it was pointless bringing up Cyclops showing against God Doom because Phoenix did and will always do FAR better against this Doom than Kuurth would've done, even if Cytorrak and Serpent would've poured all of their power into him.

With that said, Cyclops making Doom scream in pain and melting him (even though he lost) is one of the best high showings I seen from a Phoenix host...let alone anyone during the Doom war. Phoenix STOMPS WITH EASE.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
With that said, Cyclops making Doom scream in pain and melting him (even though he lost) is one of the best high showings I seen from a Phoenix host...let alone anyone during the Doom war. Phoenix STOMPS WITH EASE.
This x's 1000.

Carver's on fire!

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...anyone short of Mxy would be a scrub to God Doom. He had the power of an army of Beyonders (3 Beyonders stomped and killed LT) and the power of uncountless Owen Reese across the multiverse. This same dude one shot dropped Panther who had the freaking IG...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/black-panther-and-namor-vs-doctor-doom-secret-wars-5.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/black-panther-and-namor-vs-doctor-doom-secret-wars-6.jpg

You expecting Cyclops with the Phoenix force to outperform Doom who had power beyond pretty much anything shown in Marvel during the time is outright crazy.

Sin, what I am telling you is, it was pointless bringing up Cyclops showing against God Doom because Phoenix did and will always do FAR better against this Doom than Kuurth would've done, even if Cytorrak and Serpent would've poured all of their power into him.

With that said, Cyclops making Doom scream in pain and melting him (even though he lost) is one of the best high showings I seen from a Phoenix host...let alone anyone during the Doom war. Phoenix STOMPS WITH EASE.

Show scott doing something worthwhile

carver9
Originally posted by carver9
And Panther was able to hurt Doom with assistance from Namor but Phoenix Cyclops did this before getting sneak attacked.

http://s27.postimg.org/w2uqtiin7/020.jpg

Hickman was also using the PF as an entity that can destroy and recreate life.

http://s15.postimg.org/boc4sw3qz/010.jpg

Anyways, PF annihilates this matchup.

I already did. He damaged and made a guy scream out in pain that had the entirety of the Beyonder race power given to him... 3 Beyonders killed LT, Doom was receiving power from an army of Beyonders. Not only that, a multi verse full of Owen's as well. Anyways, Cyclops hurting him is a high end ft. You calling out his loss is pointless since Kuurth wouldn't have did anything to God Doom and was less than an insect to Doom.

Moral of story. Find another showing that's low for Cyclops because the one you brought up isn't a low showing if you take into consideration the power Doom wielded and the things Doom did with said power, like one punching an IG user. You might as well say that Thanos with the IG beating Galactus is a low showing is a low showing for Galactus.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
I already did. He damaged and made a guy scream out in pain that had the entirety of the Beyonder race power given to him... 3 Beyonders killed LT, Doom was receiving power from an army of Beyonders. Not only that, a multi verse full of Owen's as well. Anyways, Cyclops hurting him is a high end ft. You calling out his loss is pointless since Kuurth wouldn't have did anything to God Doom and was less than an insect to Doom.

Moral of story. Find another showing that's low for Cyclops because the one you brought up isn't a low showing if you take into consideration the power Doom wielded and the things Doom did with said power, like one punching an IG user. You might as well say that Thanos with the IG beating Galactus is a low showing is a low showing for Galactus.

Cyclops got one shot. Sell your bridge to someone else

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cyclops got one shot. Sell your bridge to someone else

Black Panther with the IG got one shot and Thanos did as well.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Black Panther with the IG got one shot and Thanos did as well.

Not seeing your point. I know Doom was powerful. I read SW. What I'm saying is nothing in SW suggested Scott would stomp Marko. Especially not his loss to Doom.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Carver thumb up

Most beings in Marvel would get oneshot by God Doom. Possibly even the LT, lmao.

Sin I AM
I mean i get what carver is trying to say. Scott hit doom. Shit hurt. But i can get a shot in on Mike Tyson and have him recoil in pain but its not like im on his level.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not seeing your point. I know Doom was powerful. I read SW. What I'm saying is nothing in SW suggested Scott would stomp Marko. Especially not his loss to Doom.

You're the one who brought Doom up as some type of low showing. Doom defeating Cyclops isn't a low showing when you think about the power Doom had. I don't think you get that part.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I mean i get what carver is trying to say. Scott hit doom. Shit hurt. But i can get a shot in on Mike Tyson and have him recoil in pain but its not like im on his level.

Jesus. Colossus isn't hurting Kuurth and Kuurth doesn't have the power to do anything to God Doom either. Cyclops inflicting any kind of damage against a being of Doom stature speaks volumes. That's like me saying Wolverine slicing LT head off isn't a high showing for the character.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
You're the one who brought Doom up as some type of low showing. Doom defeating Cyclops isn't a low showing when you think about the power Doom had. I don't think you get that part.


I brought it up because it was a shit showing. Doom one shot Scott while he was monologing. Worse way to die like ever. Plus he had control of the PF which is or rather was an uber powerup in its own right. My problem with your stance is u keep showing that scene like its indicative of some super saiyan power level. Its not

carver9
I give up. You win.

CosmicComet
What was Kuurth's best feat?

Getting teleported into the sun, and then teleporting right back unharmed?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
I give up. You win.

Subjection accepted. Welcome to the Church of Sin, my son.

h1a8
Originally posted by CosmicComet
What was Kuurth's best feat?

Getting teleported into the sun, and then teleporting right back unharmed? Hammer being unstoppable. Mags has the power to break up adamantium, yet he couldn't even slow down the hammer one bit. The hammer is going to to crush Scott.

StiltmanFTW
He has the power to make it malleable. With enough time, he could do the same to Kurth's hammer. It was going too fast, though.

"Id"
Phoneix Scott stomps.

krisblaze
Originally posted by -Pr-
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You do realise you're still considered a sock, right?

Must've hit a nerve.

leonidas
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447161-cyttorak_2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447162-cyttorak_3.jpg

i've always thought those scans implied that though 1/5 of the PF wasn't enough to challenge cyttorak himself, (in HIS realm), it was still not insignificant and that if the FULL pf were present it would be beyond him.

if the full pf>cyttorak in the crimson cosmos, well.....this fight is spite. hell, scott would have likely sh!tstomped the serpent and all his heralds combined.

better match might be that version of colossonaut vs kuurth..... but it's likely been done.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447161-cyttorak_2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447162-cyttorak_3.jpg

And normal Colossus "beat" Cain who had enough power to kill Cyttorak :v

h1a8
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He has the power to make it malleable. With enough time, he could do the same to Kurth's hammer. It was going too fast, though. If Mags can't stop the hammer then he can't break the bonds. Thus he can't make it malleable

h1a8
Originally posted by leonidas
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447161-cyttorak_2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447162-cyttorak_3.jpg

i've always thought those scans implied that though 1/5 of the PF wasn't enough to challenge cyttorak himself, (in HIS realm), it was still not insignificant and that if the FULL pf were present it would be beyond him.

if the full pf>cyttorak in the crimson cosmos, well.....this fight is spite. hell, scott would have likely sh!tstomped the serpent and all his heralds combined.

better match might be that version of colossonaut vs kuurth..... but it's likely been done.

Those scans tell us nothing. We have to go on feats. We can logically use dark phoenix feats as well as Cykes. I think the hammer crushes him, while Kuurth's either tanks or heals instantly from anything Cykes will throw. We are dealing with the power of Cyttorak on top of the Serpent's.

wxyz
Cyclops wins.

abhilegend
Originally posted by krisblaze
This.

Why would the force go for the decidedly lesser of all the summers brothers?
laughing out loud

ilikecomics
Carver, are you backing up p5 scott because of how members of the p5 trounced hulk?
In your mind, if pf scott is competitive with doom, someone with the entire race of beyonders!!!, then hulk is only a couple notches below a multiversal power.

Good set up.

h1a8
Originally posted by leonidas
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447161-cyttorak_2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2447162-cyttorak_3.jpg

i've always thought those scans implied that though 1/5 of the PF wasn't enough to challenge cyttorak himself, (in HIS realm), it was still not insignificant and that if the FULL pf were present it would be beyond him.

if the full pf>cyttorak in the crimson cosmos, well.....this fight is spite. hell, scott would have likely sh!tstomped the serpent and all his heralds combined.

better match might be that version of colossonaut vs kuurth..... but it's likely been done.

You are assuming here without any solid evidence.
In no way do we come to the conclusion that full PF >>>Cyttorak from those scans.

Kuurth can tank the core of the sun without harm.
Kuurth can overpower Mags power (who can overpower adamantium and have other insane feats)
Scott can stop a full slam from Thor with a single finger.

Kuurth has a healing factor.

This is a good fight.

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