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Originally posted by Withsensibility
David Duke on Donald Trump

http://i.imgur.com/I336Oie.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki4izqElwaM

"I do not endorse him but I do say vote for him"

IWO, he's endorsing Trump

Originally posted by Lestov16
"I do not endorse him but I do say vote for him"

IWO, he's endorsing Trump

Er no, that's not how that works. To endorse someone is to actively try to get others to vote for them. Saying "I am going to vote for Trump" is not an endorsement.

That is like saying a celebrity just randomly being shown drinking a coke in a papparazzi photo is an endorsement. No, when they do a friggin commercial to plug the coke product THAT is the endorsement.

Plus I guess I'm confused, do you think everyone voting for Hilary or endorsing her is pure as the driven snow and not a piece of shit? If so I have 3 magic beans to sell you.

Originally posted by Lestov16
"I do not endorse him but I do say vote for him"

IWO, he's endorsing Trump

This is pathetic. What about that democrat that was with the KKK, that was friend with Clinton huh? Clinton even gaved a moving eulogy to the man. What does that say about Clinton?

Originally posted by Surtur
Er no, that's not how that works. To endorse someone is to actively try to get others to vote for them. Saying "I am going to vote for Trump" is not an endorsement.

That is like saying a celebrity just randomly being shown drinking a coke in a papparazzi photo is an endorsement. No, when they do a friggin commercial to plug the coke product THAT is the endorsement.

Plus I guess I'm confused, do you think everyone voting for Hilary or endorsing her is pure as the driven snow and not a piece of shit? If so I have 3 magic beans to sell you.

Duke is trying to get others to vote for Trump, the part where he says "vote for him".

Originally posted by Robtard
Duke is trying to get others to vote for Trump, the part where he says "vote for him".

Okay, but it doesn't mean he is endorsing him. I don't think the guy is actively spending money in order to get people to vote for Trump or anything like that.

Probably not spending money.

Plus even if he did spend money, Trump can't control what David Duke does.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUvSzaxMic

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I wonder who he voted for last couple elections

Originally posted by Surtur
Plus even if he did spend money, Trump can't control what David Duke does.

Of course not.

I think the main criticism towards Trump regarding Duke's endorsement; then not-endorsement endorsement was that Trump didn't come right out to separate himself with a "no thanks, I don't want the KKK" type of statement.

The thing is in the past Trump has repeatedly denounced the KKK though. Exactly how many times does he need to do it?

He also denounced Duke YEARS ago in the NY Times. So I mean how many times exactly does this need to be done to prove someone isn't racist? Has Obama denounced Duke lately?

Not heard of the denounced Duke years ago thing, but his comment when being told about Duke's initial endorsement for a Trump presidency was that he never heard of Duke; didn't know who he was.

"Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. okay? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know. -Trump

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/donald-trump/trumps-absurd-claim-he-knows-nothing-about-former-/

Edit: Seems Trump did denounce Duke in 2000, so he was lying when he said he didn't know

So he did denounce him in the past, so I ask again: how many times does this man have to be denounced?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that some dipsh1ts will endorse/vote for either side in this election. Hardly a surprise.

Originally posted by Surtur
So he did denounce him in the past, so I ask again: how many times does this man have to be denounced?

Lol, dude, if you're going to be that way.

Originally posted by Stigma
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that some dipsh1ts will endorse/vote for either side in this election. Hardly a surprise.

Obviously, but that wasn't the point of the critism Trump received for not immediately denouncing Duke when Duke endorsed him, he lied and attempted a dodge instead of just going "Duke, never liked the man or his group, no thanks."

Originally posted by Surtur
The thing is in the past Trump has repeatedly denounced the KKK though. Exactly how many times does he need to do it?

He also denounced Duke YEARS ago in the NY Times. So I mean how many times exactly does this need to be done to prove someone isn't racist? Has Obama denounced Duke lately?

You actually believe Trump isn't a racist?

Originally posted by Petrus
You actually believe Trump isn't a racist?

You actually believe he is? Aside from exaggeration on the left and an idiot slogan (love trumps hate), as well as amusing claims that the republicans are a party of bigots (despite hilary being the democrats' nominee as well as the wikileaks emails), what makes him a racist exactly?

Note: ******* does not mean racist.

Originally posted by Petrus
You actually believe Trump isn't a racist?

Just post a racist quote, be specific. He never said all mexicans are rapists and killers, so that is out. But hey perhaps you have some more stuff. Just list me some things.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, dude, if you're going to be that way.

Lol dude you were upset he didn't denounce him and then found out he did. Then that is lessened because..what, Trump said he didn't know who Duke was? Is the issue him saying that or is the issue him failing to denounce Duke? Because you and I were discussing his failure to denounce Duke.

It's Robtard bro. Just go with it.

Btw. Wood toilet seat is awesome

No need to insult rob he didn't do or say anything wrong. I just want proof of this alleged racism everyone keeps talking about. Although again, the left has a habit of misusing words like racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
No need to insult rob he didn't do or say anything wrong. I just want proof of this alleged racism everyone keeps talking about. Although again, the left has a habit of misusing words like racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc.

I dont think the right is inherently racist. They just suck ass at appealing to minorities but appear flabbergasted as to why.

Did anyone listen to what Duke had to say in the video? The point was the biased media trying to force Trump into a trap by denouncing Duke or not denouncing Duke, here are the scenarios that could have played out...

1. "Donald Trump is okay with Duke's endorsement. Trump is like Duke, like the KKK, is racist. Here are stupid racist Trump supporters we told you!"
2. "Donald Trump says he is 'opposed' to Duke despite Duke and other groups like the KKK supporting his bid for president. People should be asking why Trump is opposed to his own supporters!"
3. Oh, he doesnt know who David Duke is.... Okay then.

Obviously, option 3 happened, but Im pretty sure Trump knows who Duke is, not that I trust anything politifact has to say, its hard to ignore someone like him in US politics.

I made this thread to talk more about Duke, not Trump, but Duke makes the point of the biased left wing media and how they try to destroy characters like Trump and Duke for simply disagreeing with mainstream political establishment.

Did anyone watch the whole video and have anything to comment on Duke? What about Duke's debate with an African American radio host?
2 posts after OP, brah

Originally posted by Withsensibility
the biased left wing media and how they try to destroy characters like Trump and Duke for simply disagreeing with mainstream political establishment Literally all media sources with a political alignment do that to their opponents. You know that, right?

Originally posted by Scribble
Literally all media sources with a political alignment do that to their opponents. You know that, right? Hmm, maybe I should have said the biased mainstream media, biased political establishment who wanted a Jeb vs Hill election, Megyn Kelly, CBS, FOX, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, CNN, Mitt Romney, the BBC, ITV, every newspaper Murdoch owns, the newspapers Murdoch doesnt own, the entire Republican party, the entire Democratic party, the entertainment industry, the music industry, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and other social media establishments, the IMF, the Fed Res, the international bank, the bank of new york, the UN etc. Have all been against Donald Trump.

I just so happen to think these are all left wing biased.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I dont think the right is inherently racist. They just suck ass at appealing to minorities but appear flabbergasted as to why. The left is no better with minorities. They alienate, divide, and generally insult their intelligence.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
I just so happen to think these are all left wing biased. Haha

#BLACKLIVESMATTER

Did you know that they shouldnt be getting killed? I dont know why they had to tell black people to stop killing each other, but at least they can claim its the police who are the racists (government institution still, btw)

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
The left is no better with minorities. They alienate, divide, and generally insult their intelligence.

I disagree. Besides you missed my point in its entirety

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I disagree. Besides you missed my point in its entirety Handing out welfare checks and promoting riots is not a way to help minorities.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Handing out welfare checks and promoting riots is not a way to help minorities.

Who the phuck said anything about welfare and riots? I understand youre a troll but if you're gonna have a debate at least form a coherent statement instead of bullshit.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I disagree. Besides you missed my point in its entirety


What point did I miss in its entirety in this 2 sentence post, both of which are opinions.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
No need to insult rob he didn't do or say anything wrong. I just want proof of this alleged racism everyone keeps talking about. Although again, the left has a habit of misusing words like racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc.


When you ask people for specific shit about Trump this is what tends to happen. I was watching another video with a guy asking various anti Trumpers what specific things he has said against women in general or what racist things. They bring up the mexican comment, but he didn't say all mexicans were rapists or anything like that. Not like people try to claim. Then there isn't really anything else they can cite.

They might mention the thing is a temporary ban on muslims that can't be vetted, but that isn't really racist either.

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I know what some are thinking..oh that is just fox news. So okay fair enough:

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For those who do not know.."coyote" is a term for a person who helps people illegally enter the country. Yes this girl thought he was talking about legit coyotes, like Wile E. Coyote is out there raping folk.

Okay so if abortion did become illegal then..it is ultimately up to the woman, right? So why would the men be punished? You think it wouldn't be sexist if you punished the man for what the woman does with her kid?

Men pretty much have zero rights here. A man can be a good provider, be rich, be the best guy in the world, and a woman can still choose to get an abortion if she wants. So if that is true..why in gods name would we punish a man for an abortion?

You aren't making any sense. Men don't actually have ANY say over whether a woman gets an abortion, so why would punishing women but not men be sexist? Explain this to me.

I mean, you do know that men have, in the past, been charged with murder if they beat a pregnant woman and she lived, but the fetus died, right? If someone else murders it, it is wrong. If you murder it..it is okay.

Men have plenty of say over a woman's pregnancy, I've known guys who pressured their girlfriends into an abortion (an extreme case, obviously), and usually a couple will discuss whether they will keep the baby or not. Often it is a joint decision about whether they can afford to keep the baby/if it has too high a chance of having health issues, etc. Are you suggesting that even if a couple go to an abortion clinic together, only the woman should be prosecuted?

Originally posted by Scribble
Men have plenty of say over a woman's pregnancy, I've known guys who pressured their girlfriends into an abortion (an extreme case, obviously), and usually a couple will discuss whether they will keep the baby or not.

Yeah no. Legally? Men have no say whatsoever. That is the point I am making. You could be the greatest person ever, have billions of dollars, and the woman can STILL abort that baby. When that changes? You and I can talk about punishing men for going along with it.



See above. Men need new rights then. A woman can decide whether or not to end a life, a man cannot. It's up to her, SHE can kill it, but nobody else can. When that broke f*cking system is fixed yes we can decide about punishments, etc. I actually have no problem with abortion, my problem is females can rid themselves of all responsibility for a child, but men? Are kind of f*cked and have to go along with what the woman decides. So this is a weird topic to bring sexism up with. Abortions, the court system, custody, all works against men. At least in America.

Kind of shitty, right?

Can we talk about David Duke please? He makes good points in the videos I posted.

Dude no that is the thing, his name itself is poison. David Duke could say puppies and ice cream are awesome, but because it's coming out of David Duke's mouth it takes on a different connotation.

He could say cancer is bad, but nobody wants to hear "Well David Duke thinks cancer is shitty" since nobody wants to think about this racist a-hole.

He might make a good point, but the problem is even just saying "David Duke makes a good point" would be taken by the media as some kind of endorsement of EVERYTHING Duke believes, no matter what. Is it unfair and asinine? Yep, but that is the reality we have to live with.

I want to discuss his points.

Duke is certainly correct about the media trying to force him into a trap. It's like a bunch of 12 yr. olds writing their school newsletter.

But the points he makes about the Publican party and how he was shut out in debates AND primaries 25 years ago like they did with Trump speaks volumes.

Theyre liking Trump to Duke because they want to destroy the points theyre making.

Duke speaks out against the Fed Res and Jewish supremacy in America. Trump has not done this, but why they want to promote anyone against the financial establishments is apparently racist or something.

There are also former clansman on the supreme court such as Byrd, but apparently, prozionists and promigration people are okay? Sanders as a radical communist is good for America? Come on.

I don't see why this is such an issue. Hilldawg has the backing of such wonderful countries such as those that kill homosexuals and treat women with less then cattle and still have actual slaves in them.


So ....

Originally posted by Withsensibility
But the points he makes about the Publican party and how he was shut out in debates AND primaries 25 years ago like they did with Trump speaks volumes.

Theyre liking Trump to Duke because they want to destroy the points theyre making.

Duke speaks out against the Fed Res and Jewish supremacy in America. Trump has not done this, but why they want to promote anyone against the financial establishments is apparently racist or something.

There are also former clansman on the supreme court such as Byrd, but apparently, prozionists and promigration people are okay? Sanders as a radical communist is good for America? Come on.

I understand 100% what you are saying man, I'm just saying there really isn't anything we can do about it. If Trump goes out framing something like "I agree with David Duke on such and such" it's not going to end well because people have literally gone insane in this country. Words like racism have pretty much lost all meaning.

What I'm saying is David Duke might make some good points, but if Trump himself wants to get these points out there he can't frame them in a "Well David Duke says this" type of situation. Just agreeing with Duke on anything would be bad.

Think of it like a convicted child molester then going and trying to give some big speech about child safety.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah no. Legally? Men have no say whatsoever. That is the point I am making. You could be the greatest person ever, have billions of dollars, and the woman can STILL abort that baby. When that changes? You and I can talk about punishing men for going along with it.



See above. Men need new rights then. A woman can decide whether or not to end a life, a man cannot. It's up to her, SHE can kill it, but nobody else can. When that broke f*cking system is fixed yes we can decide about punishments, etc. I actually have no problem with abortion, my problem is females can rid themselves of all responsibility for a child, but men? Are kind of f*cked and have to go along with what the woman decides. So this is a weird topic to bring sexism up with. Abortions, the court system, custody, all works against men. At least in America.

Kind of shitty, right? So because one gender is being discriminated against, that gives them a free pass to co-commit a crime and get away with it?

Your beliefs are all out of whack, man. You're preaching the exact same stuff that you rally against.

Whatever. I agree with the things Duke says.

Obama Sachs, not so much. I feel cheated just by thinking he was a better option than Clinton in 08.

Originally posted by Scribble
So because one gender is being discriminated against, that gives them a free pass to co-commit a crime and get away with it?

Your beliefs are all out of whack, man. You're preaching the exact same stuff that you rally against.

I never said that at all. What I said was we need to fix the system. If abortion became illegal and a man somehow forced a woman to do it? Yes, punish him.

You talk about things that are out whack, but you don't even really think about the shit you are saying. Let us say a man and a woman both agree to get the abortion and it's illegal. I don't even know how they would charge the man, not unless he flat out admitted he willingly was okay with it, but who wants to go to prison?

So if it was illegal then yes I would say there should be consequences for men if they can force you into it, but merely also agreeing with it? Eh, that is shady territory legally speaking. I suppose if you are in someones car and they get in and say they are going to go rob a liquor store and you don't decide to get out and you go along but you don't actually participate...is that a crime? I dunno, not a legal expert.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Whatever. I agree with the things Duke says.

Obama Sachs, not so much. I feel cheated just by thinking he was a better option than Clinton in 08.

Like I said you can agree with some of the things Duke says, and I agree with him too when it comes to the way the media tries to manipulate things, I agree 100%.

I just think someone other than David Duke needs to be the one saying these things.

Good thing us men can still just knock a woman up and then run, then. Because if it becomes illegal, we'll be able to do it all we want, and the woman'll either have to have the kid on her own or be arrested for having an abortion. What a wonderful vision of a world.

Originally posted by Scribble
Good thing us men can still just knock a woman up and then run, then. Because if it becomes illegal, we'll be able to do it all we want, and the woman'll either have to have the kid on her own or be arrested for having an abortion. What a wonderful vision of a world.

Is it any better than now, where a woman can entrap a man? Send him to jail for not paying child support? Abort the child if she wants, even if the man wants to care for it?

You seem to be under the impression things are okie dokie just the way they are, but nope. Men get f*cked over in this country a lot when it comes to this kind of stuff. You can go look up cases of men being put in prison for not paying child support on children that aren't even theirs lol.

I'm agreeing with you dude, the system is f*cked up, but it's not f*cked up in a way that benefits men.

Originally posted by Surtur
Is it any better than now, where a woman can entrap a man? Send him to jail for not paying child support? Abort the child if she wants, even if the man wants to care for it?

You seem to be under the impression things are okie dokie just the way they are, but nope. Men get f*cked over in this country a lot when it comes to this kind of stuff. You can go look up cases of men being put in prison for not paying child support on children that aren't even theirs lol.

I'm agreeing with you dude, the system is f*cked up, but it's not f*cked up in a way that benefits men. Why would I think the system works just fine? The whole world is ****ed right now, barely anything works the way it should/could. People do shitty things both sides, but I'm pretty sure the whole "I never knew my dad" thing is much more prevalent than men being ensnared and such. Either situation is ****ed. Making abortion illegal and only punishing the woman for it would only make things way worse, and before it seemed as if you were saying that you'd agree with that specific policy as opposed to a general reformation of the way it all works.

I was trying to look at things from a legal point man. It would be hard to criminally punish a man for giving his blessing on an abortion, you know?

If it were up to me abortion would be legal AND men would also be able to "abort" a child(in a certain way) via giving up all responsibility and rights to said child, just like a woman can do when she gets an actual abortion. Though I obviously think such a thing would need to be done before the child is born. I want both men and women to have an out, not just women. It's that whole "equality" thing, you know? I want it to actually exist.

You silly irresponsible Pot head you!

Originally posted by Surtur
I was trying to look at things from a legal point man. It would be hard to criminally punish a man for giving his blessing on an abortion, you know?

If it were up to me abortion would be legal AND men would also be able to "abort" a child(in a certain way) via giving up all responsibility and rights to said child, just like a woman can do when she gets an actual abortion. Though I obviously think such a thing would need to be done before the child is born. I want both men and women to have an out, not just women. It's that whole "equality" thing, you know? I want it to actually exist. You get arrested for assisting other crimes, so why wouldn't it apply here? Agreeing to take part in a robbery, even if all you do is stand there whilst your friend or partner does the actual illegal shit, is still illegal.

Anyway, we may as well leave it there, since we've strayed from the topic probably enough now. I am also generally pro-choice, even though I find the idea of abortion stomach churning, and agree that it should be an equal process both ways. How that could be enforced I don't know. I think people should just be taught more about the implications of safe sex and actually how serious it is having a kid from an earlier age. Minimising the need for abortions should be our goal, rather than punishment for those that do it. Etc., etc.

I mean if there was proof the guy assisted in the crime then yep punish him too.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
You actually believe he is? Aside from exaggeration on the left and an idiot slogan (love trumps hate), as well as amusing claims that the republicans are a party of bigots (despite hilary being the democrats' nominee as well as the wikileaks emails), what makes him a racist exactly?

Note: ******* does not mean racist.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just post a racist quote, be specific. He never said all mexicans are rapists and killers, so that is out. But hey perhaps you have some more stuff. Just list me some things.

True, he never said all mexicans were rapists, he just said some were. I don't consider that racism, tbh, so I wasn't referring to that.

Just check these out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history

I see some discrimination which is typical for a politician, not so much racism if any.

Lol dude look at some of those examples though. I mean it's already outright bullshit when the very first claim of racism is that he dared to insult a gold star muslim family who showed up to talk shit to him at his rally.

Or hell look at the thing with the Mexican judge. He wasn't saying all Mexicans are bias, he was essentially saying that since he has been outspoken about Mexico and building a wall, etc. that the fact the judge is Mexican is letting that get to him and effect his decisions. I am not saying he is wrong or right in that, but do you see what I mean? Flimsy examples.

A lot of these examples come from years ago too. Am I saying it excuses it? No, but the people in the media seem to imply like Trump is out campaigning right now saying all kinds of racist shit.

Originally posted by Scribble
Good thing us men can still just knock a woman up and then run, then. Because if it becomes illegal, we'll be able to do it all we want, and the woman'll either have to have the kid on her own or be arrested for having an abortion. What a wonderful vision of a world. rape is illegal and knocking up a girl means the law decides your fate regarding how much you pay if she wants to keep it and you dont want to be with her for eg. In fact, you dont even get a say in this. If you consent to sex and she pokes a hole in the condom, not only do you not get a say on the abortion, it will have to be proven that she mislead you to get out of paying for it.

The laws regarding abortion are quite complex, but it should be noted that there is an ever increasing abortion pandemic that should be discouraged. Its a very interesting topic, but not this topic.

I mean some of the examples of racism are his refusing to condemn people he has...condemned lol. I just ask how you expect someone to take these sources seriously when they spout bullshit?

Didn't people always get on T1 for posting shitty sources?

Some of the other gems:

-he treats racial groups as "monoliths" lol
-treats blacks as token members to dispel the idea he is racist

Oh shit he posted a picture of himself with a taco bowl saying he loves hispanics. flee!!!!!!!!!!!! Flee for your lives!!!

It's understandable if you think some of those examples aren't good enough, but at least a couple of them have to get you.

Besides, there's claims about him being a racist all the way back to the 70's. I mean, this isn't a coincidence.

Yes but if some of the claims are BS it makes you wonder if any are credible. It's the whole "takes only one apple to spoil the bunch" thing.

I mean he sure did say some dumb shit like "these indians don't look like real indians" and that is ignorant as f*ck, but do you think most of the people screaming he is racist are referring to these events? I do not.

For example, referring to afro-americans as 'the blacks' seems quite racist to me. And the taco bowl thing, well it's just like that guy says, the watermelon example. Or me as a mexican buying a cheeseburger and a diet coke and tweeting 'I love Americans!'. To me it seems like desperate attempts to prove he 'isn't a racist' to the world.

There are clearly a ton of racism claims against Trump, I seriously doubt not one or two of them are true.

I haven't seen one real instance of racism. I've seen several of discrimination and again, you can call any politician out on that.

So of all the examples provided, in your opinion, not one is racist?

Originally posted by Petrus
True, he never said all mexicans were rapists, he just said some were. I don't consider that racism, tbh, so I wasn't referring to that.

Just check these out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history Islam is not a race, and it was personal. Mexico is not a race, and it was a judicial comment about the fact that the guy is Mexican and Trump has focused foreign policy regarding Mexico. Trump's company made a blunder and he resolved the issue. He resolved the issue. Some opinion of someone saying Donald Trump doesnt like black people. He didnt refuse to condemn David Duke, watch the video in the OP ffs! Was Obama born in Hawaii? Its definitely a question worth asking considering his background. At least McCain proved he was born on US soil. He loves minorities, and thats racist? He's right about the Indian casinos, they dont look like Indians to Indians. Trump thinks some alledged rapists are guilty and because they are of color, hes racist? The BLM protester was in the wrong, and a musing about him getting hit on the head isnt racist. He distanced himself from stupid latino beaters and focused on his greater support of passionate people. Didnt condone anything. Hes right about Hilary Clinton and the Jews who understand finance are coincidentally Jews. Huffington thinks black people who support him are tokens..... Does this include Ben Carson?

Lydia oconnor and daniel marans are jewish btw.

PURE COINCIDENCE!

Originally posted by Petrus
For example, referring to afro-americans as 'the blacks' seems quite racist to me. And the taco bowl thing, well it's just like that guy says, the watermelon example. Or me as a mexican buying a cheeseburger and a diet coke and tweeting 'I love Americans!'. To me it seems like desperate attempts to prove he 'isn't a racist' to the world.

There are clearly a ton of racism claims against Trump, I seriously doubt not one or two of them are true.

If a Mexican guy did what you just said and someone got upset I'd probably kind of slap them lol. It is silly. What would I say..he is being racist against Americans? "American" isn't even a race.

Calling blacks..the blacks, I mean..what? You act like he called them n*ggers. What is the right word here? Some blacks seem comfortable with being called blacks, some do not. It's an ever changing puzzle on what is or is not okay.

Would calling white people "whites" be racist to you?

Originally posted by Surtur
If a Mexican guy did what you just said and someone got upset I'd probably kind of slap them lol. It is silly. What would I say..he is being racist against Americans? "American" isn't even a race.

Calling blacks..the blacks, I mean..what? You act like he called them n*ggers. What is the right word here? Some blacks seem comfortable with being called blacks, some do not. It's an ever changing puzzle on what is or is not okay.

Would calling white people "whites" be racist to you?

It's not about calling them 'blacks'. It's about calling them 'the blacks', as if they were a completely separate group of people. 'The' makes it discriminatory.

I know it's not, but you get the gist. And there's also the watermelon example. I didn't get upset over the taco bowl incident, but that doesn't mean it wasn't discriminatory. It's literally saying 'oh, you're hispanic. You must like tacos.'. He's stereotyping the shit out of 'hispanics'.

So "the" blacks. But a lot of times blacks talk bout *the* white community, etc. so is that racist or not?

Errr, French people like wine and garlic. Am i racist now?

Originally posted by Surtur
So "the" blacks. But a lot of times blacks talk bout *the* white community, etc. so is that racist or not?

It's honestly hard to explain myself over a computer, at least in this context. You can start a sentence like this: "The communities were growing."

You can start a sentence like this, too: "White people live in Europe."

You can't start a sentence like this: "The whites live in Europe."

At least to me, there's a difference.

Since the sources might be questionable for you, the question I must ask is this: if any of those racism claims against Trump were true, would you still not consider him a racist?

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Errr, French people like wine and garlic. Am i racist now?

That's a pretty dumb example. You're essentially saying you don't believe stereotyping is wrong.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
rape is illegal and knocking up a girl means the law decides your fate regarding how much you pay if she wants to keep it and you dont want to be with her for eg. In fact, you dont even get a say in this. If you consent to sex and she pokes a hole in the condom, not only do you not get a say on the abortion, it will have to be proven that she mislead you to get out of paying for it.

The laws regarding abortion are quite complex, but it should be noted that there is an ever increasing abortion pandemic that should be discouraged. Its a very interesting topic, but not this topic. It is a very complex thing, and yeah, I think a lot of younger people these days are just like "**** it, I don't care, I'll just get an abortion" without thinking about the implications at all. But yeah, not this topic.
Originally posted by Surtur
Or hell look at the thing with the Mexican judge. He wasn't saying all Mexicans are bias, he was essentially saying that since he has been outspoken about Mexico and building a wall, etc. that the fact the judge is Mexican is letting that get to him and effect his decisions. I am not saying he is wrong or right in that, but do you see what I mean? Flimsy examples. In all honesty, I agree. I read that article earlier when finding examples for you, and I don't think most of the top points are very valid. It all just points to him being a dickhead, not an outright racist. I do believe he says things that could be easily misconstrued as racist, and he does this to get the racist vote because he knows a lot of racist people are pretty stupid and won't realise he isn't actually a racist like them. Like I said earlier, he just says whatever he thinks will roll okay in any given situation.

Originally posted by Petrus
That's a pretty dumb example. You're essentially saying you don't believe stereotyping is wrong. Why is that a bad example? I dont understand this stigma of stereotyping when its clearly a part of their culture. Is it because France is a European country?

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Why is that a bad example? I dont understand this stigma of stereotyping when its clearly a part of their culture. Is it because France is a European country?

You keep ignoring the examples provided. It's as equally offensive as films portraying mexicans as dudes riding horses in the desert, wearing sombreros. It's the same as eating watermelon and saying 'I love blacks', or something of the sort.

I'm not personally offended by it, but a lot of people are, and I can understand it.


Besides, taco bowls don't even exist in Mexico, lol. It's actually an American dish.

Originally posted by Petrus
You keep ignoring the examples provided. It's as equally offensive as films portraying mexicans as dudes riding horses in the desert, wearing sombreros. It's the same as eating watermelon and saying 'I love blacks', or something of the sort.

I'm not personally offended by it, but a lot of people are, and I can understand it.


Besides, taco bowls don't even exist in Mexico, lol. It's actually an American dish. Kebab isnt of Turkish origin, it was a Turkish immigrant in Germany, yet German people eat kebab in appreciation of Turkish culture. Tacos were Mexican migrants in the US. Its quite fitting, imo.

Mexicans in sunbreros on horses in a Western film might have something to do with the historical genocide and ressettlement associated with it. But Im not Mexican, or American, so I cant be definite. I do know the white people stole the cowboy western culture from the Mexicans, though. Kinda different.

Hes showing appreciation. Stop finding ways to get offended and put Mexico Us history into what Trump actually did.

Originally posted by Petrus
You keep ignoring the examples provided. It's as equally offensive as films portraying mexicans as dudes riding horses in the desert, wearing sombreros. It's the same as eating watermelon and saying 'I love blacks', or something of the sort.

I'm not personally offended by it, but a lot of people are, and I can understand it.


Besides, taco bowls don't even exist in Mexico, lol. It's actually an American dish.

So out of curiosity, the movie "White Men Can't Jump"..that is racist, right? I mean the title.

I'm not saying you specifically do this, but I just love how people complain about these stereotypes and yet when we see something like the "white people can't dance" stereotype nobody says a god damn word about it. But blacks and chicken or watermelon? Oh shit time to have a meltdown.

Yet you never see the black community complaining about the big dick stereotype. I'd like some consistency, either stereotyping is bad or it isn't.

Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity, the movie "White Men Can't Jump"..that is racist, right? I mean the title is racist to you? Ye, but its racist against black people, obviously.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Ye, but its racist against black people, obviously.

As long as when the sequel "Black Men Can't Swim" comes out we don't hear a peep of complaint.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not heard of the denounced Duke years ago thing, but his comment when being told about Duke's initial endorsement for a Trump presidency was that he never heard of Duke; didn't know who he was.

"Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. okay? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know. -Trump

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/donald-trump/trumps-absurd-claim-he-knows-nothing-about-former-/

Edit: Seems Trump did denounce Duke in 2000, so he was lying when he said he didn't know

Hey, he could have dementia. Trumps old enough, and it runs in his family.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hey, he could have dementia. Trumps old. Or politifact is a garbage website.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yet you never see the black community complaining about the big dick stereotype. I'd like some consistency, either stereotyping is bad or it isn't. Imagine being a black guy with a small or medium-sized penis. That's way worse than being an Asian with a great heckin' big wanger. 'Positive' stereotypes are often worse than negative ones. Like being a Chinese person who sucks at maths, made to live up to these ridiculous stereotypes.

Originally posted by Scribble
Imagine being a black guy with a small or medium-sized penis. That's way worse than being an Asian with a great heckin' big wanger. 'Positive' stereotypes are often worse than negative ones. Like being a Chinese person who sucks at maths, made to live up to these ridiculous stereotypes. A white guy whos not a billionaire but still called a cracker fits this as well, right?

Or a white virgin called honky?

Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity, the movie "White Men Can't Jump"..that is racist, right? I mean the title.

I'm not saying you specifically do this, but I just love how people complain about these stereotypes and yet when we see something like the "white people can't dance" stereotype nobody says a god damn word about it. But blacks and chicken or watermelon? Oh shit time to have a meltdown.

Yet you never see the black community complaining about the big dick stereotype. I'd like some consistency, either stereotyping is bad or it isn't.

It's true, it's not consistent, but my personal opinion is that it should be. White people should care about that, just as black people would.

Positive stereotyping can be shittier, though.

Also, I believe you missed my question. If any of those examples provided were true, would you still not consider Trump a racist?

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Kebab isnt of Turkish origin, it was a Turkish immigrant in Germany, yet German people eat kebab in appreciation of Turkish culture. Tacos were Mexican migrants in the US. Its quite fitting, imo.

Mexicans in sunbreros on horses in a Western film might have something to do with the historical genocide and ressettlement associated with it. But Im not Mexican, or American, so I cant be definite. I do know the white people stole the cowboy western culture from the Mexicans, though. Kinda different.

Hes showing appreciation. Stop finding ways to get offended and put Mexico Us history into what Trump actually did.

Yeah, quite fitting when you consider Trump has criticized mexicans a lot and sort of needs to make up for it to gain supporters. Him saying 'I love Hispanics!' is blatantly trying too hard to prove something.

It honestly doesn't matter why or how the sombreros n' horses stereotype began, but that image of mexicans lives on today, and it kinda sucks, tbh.

You can't do it both ways. You can't say illegals are rapists and that you're going to force the mexican government to build the wall and then post a pic of yourself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics'. It doesn't make much sense.

Originally posted by Petrus
It's true, it's not consistent, but my personal opinion is that it should be. White people should care about that, just as black people would.

Positive stereotyping can be shittier, though.

Also, I believe you missed my question. If any of those examples provided were true, would you still not consider Trump a racist?

A lot of these things seem more like ignorance than racism. Now a decent portion of the provided examples are true and also not racist. I mean the thing with the gold star family wasn't racist. Just like questioning of Obama was born here isn't racism either. It's stupidity, but racist? Not really.

The things that can't be confirmed and just rely on the words of people who claim Trump said these things..if true are racist. Like not renting to a black guy just because he is black, but again all we have is some dudes word and we know the media will lie about Trump.

Just like if the thing about him ordering black card dealers off the floor upon his arrival would indeed be racist.

But as I said, the things we know are 100% true aren't racist and were in fact twisted in order to make them seem racist. I mean just look at how deceitful even including the example of the Mexican judge is. He meant he was bias because Trump has blasted Mexico in the past and he was saying the judge, as a mexican, was bias over that. To me that is no different than saying the judge of the Stanford Rapist was bias because he went to the same school as the rapist.

If Trump was this huge foaming at the mouth racist that the left likes to say he is..you'd think we'd have numerous examples of concrete evidence of racism, right? Especially when they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and going back to the 1970s to try to dig up racist stuff lol. Especially when some media outlets have hired dozens of people whose sole job is to try to dig up dirt on Trump and yet..we're given flimsy examples.

Originally posted by Petrus
You can't do it both ways. You can't say illegals are rapists and that you're going to force the mexican government to build the wall and then post a pic of yourself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics'. It doesn't make much sense.

But you see man you are being deceitful about this just like the media is. Yep he did say the dumb stuff about the wall, but he never once said all illegals are rapists. He said some of them are, which is 100% a true statement.

Like I've said before, if the guy is so damn horrible then people wouldn't have to constantly twist the things he says in order to find something to call him out for.

Originally posted by Petrus
Yeah, quite fitting when you consider Trump has criticized mexicans a lot and sort of needs to make up for it to gain supporters. Him saying 'I love Hispanics!' is blatantly trying too hard to prove something.

It honestly doesn't matter why or how the sombreros n' horses stereotype began, but that image of mexicans lives on today, and it kinda sucks, tbh.

You can't do it both ways. You can't say illegals are rapists and that you're going to force the mexican government to build the wall and then post a pic of yourself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics'. It doesn't make much sense. Trump has always said he likes hispanics way before he ran for president, due to employing them at low wages. This is probably a personal thing for him because of how Mexico treats its people and illegally sends its hardened criminals into the US. He is critical of this and hates illegal immigration. He isnt criticising all Mexicans, especially the ones who come here legally that VOTED for him in the Nevada caucus and the California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas primaries. You making it out that "illegal immigrant " is codeword for brown people and brown people shouldnt vote for Trump or dont vote for Trump. I wonder what news sources give you this perspective, but illegal immigrant means illegal immigrant, and the Mexican government is pretty bad when it comes to funding drug cartels and sending them to the USA.

Okay, let me break this down to you. Its not about hats and livestock, its about the historical genocide associated with the old west that triggers people. Its the fact that these people were driven out of what is now called new mexico and arizona and Texas. Its the context of the image. Its the stolen cowboy image that used to be mexico that is now the wild west with mexico being left with ponchos and sunbreros. Get it? The context being the genocide, resettlement and stolen culture. Its very different to Trump saying he likes Mexican food.

It makes perfect sense. Besides, Trumps business associates in Mexico are paying for it with Mexican banks, not the Mexican government. Trump wants to stop illegal immigrants such as rapists and drug traffickers to stop coming into the US until Mexico does something about these people or something useful. Creating jobs like building a wall, for example.

The funniest part is I know this is a stupid pander. I know idiots like you see this as Trump acting foolish thinking eating Tacos makes up for "build a wall and Mexico is paying for it" the point is is supposed to trigger you idiots into still not figuring out why he has support including the latino community. Its because hes created a solution in creating jobs and lowering crime. Its a genius move and you still think hes racist. So he does this. Are you going to say eating tacos is racist too? Yes you are and you have. This is why i asled if eating cheese and garlic is racist towards French people. This is why I mentioned Germans eating kebab. You honestly think that because something is associated with a skin colour you think its racist. You are the real racist here. Not Trump. MAGA.

Originally posted by Surtur
A lot of these things seem more like ignorance than racism. Now a decent portion of the provided examples are true and also not racist. I mean the thing with the gold star family wasn't racist. Just like questioning of Obama was born here isn't racism either. It's stupidity, but racist? Not really.

The things that can't be confirmed and just rely on the words of people who claim Trump said these things..if true are racist. Like not renting to a black guy just because he is black, but again all we have is some dudes word and we know the media will lie about Trump.

Just like if the thing about him ordering black card dealers off the floor upon his arrival would indeed be racist.

But as I said, the things we know are 100% true aren't racist and were in fact twisted in order to make them seem racist. I mean just look at how deceitful even including the example of the Mexican judge is. He meant he was bias because Trump has blasted Mexico in the past and he was saying the judge, as a mexican, was bias over that. To me that is no different than saying the judge of the Stanford Rapist was bias because he went to the same school as the rapist.

Fair enough.





There's also the facts that he's retweeted white supremacists and feigned ignorance of their existence and saying he knows 'nothing about David Duke'.

Also, after O'Donnell's claim about Trump saying laziness is a trait in black people, he told Playboy Magazine in 1997 that whatever O'Donnell wrote about him is probably true. Then, he denied it in 1999.


I'm not being deceitful. It's just how it is. First, Trump says some illegals are rapists, he criticizes mexican government and says he'll force them to build a wall. After that, he tweets happy 5 de mayo and a pic of himself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics!'. It's just not consistent at all.

And I'm aware that some of Trump's comments are discriminatory and not racist, but seriously potato-potatoe . I mean, just because Muslims aren't a race it's technically not racism. He's literally hanging on a technicality.

Anyway, if he's not outright stated anything undoubtedly racist, he's been dangerously close to do so, and him discriminating and being a bigot still sucks.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Trump has always said he likes hispanics way before he ran for president, due to employing them at low wages. This is probably a personal thing for him because of how Mexico treats its people and illegally sends its hardened criminals into the US. He is critical of this and hates illegal immigration. He isnt criticising all Mexicans, especially the ones who come here legally that VOTED for him in the Nevada caucus and the California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas primaries. You making it out that "illegal immigrant " is codeword for brown people and brown people shouldnt vote for Trump or dont vote for Trump. I wonder what news sources give you this perspective, but illegal immigrant means illegal immigrant, and the Mexican government is pretty bad when it comes to funding drug cartels and sending them to the USA.

Ok, so you're basically saying he likes hispanics because he employed them at low wages because they're hispanics? How's that a good thing?

A personal thing for him? Are you saying he cares and feels bad about how Mexico 'treats its people'? If he actually cared about them as human beings, he wouldn't propose deporting the millions of them back to my shitty country. And Mexico doesn't send shit, the illegals choose to leave the country on their own because their living conditions over here are shit. Mexico certainly doesn't send 'its hardened criminals' into the US.

Just explain to me how and when did I make it sound that illegal immigrant is a codeword for 'brown people shouldn't vote for Trump'.

You really have a very flawed and incorrect view of what goes on with drug cartels in Mexico. The Mexican government doesn't fund drug cartels and sends them to the US. The drug cartels have the Mexican government by the throat; they're much more powerful. And believe me, the cartels go to the US on their own, they're not sent by anyone.



Yeah, you're taking this way out of context. This wasn't my point at all. I was talking about stereotypes. The Mexican riding a burrito and wearing a sombrero is one of them. That's it.



It doesn't matter who's paying for it, it matter that Trump effectively created a political shitstorm when he said he would make the Mexican government pay for the wall, publicly. And what proof do you have that he's making Mexican banks pay for it?

Illegal immigration and drug traffickers are completely separate groups of people.

And Mexico won't do shit about them.



Okay first off, if you check the statistics Trump has a very low rating of support within latinos and blacks. So he doesn't at all have the 'support of the latino community', as you claim. And no, he hasn't done shit yet.

Lmao, me a racist. You don't even know me dude.

And if you think Trump is fantastic and is such a great presidential candidate, the idiot isn't me.

So not only did Trump apologize yesterday, but he visited Louisiana today, something neither Obama nor Clinton have done. That's two steps in the right direction, whether it be the presidential campaign or sanity.

While that's good of him, isn't the "he never apologizes" attitude one of the major reasons the Trumpanzees love him?

Wonder how that will go over with the hardcore base.

Originally posted by Robtard
While that's good of him, isn't the "he never apologizes" attitude one of the major reasons the Trumpanzees love him?

Wonder how that will go over with the hardcore base. Not being pc and not apologizing are two different concepts. He has appeal due to the former but is losing the election due to the latter.

Originally posted by Petrus
Ok, so you're basically saying he likes hispanics because he employed them at low wages because they're hispanics? How's that a good thing? No, im saying he likes hispanics because they worked for him. He likes all who worked for him. The low wage is probably not why he likes them, again, youre the one putting racism in here, not Trump. This is also a tactic huffington post and similar tabloids do.

Personal as in he doesnt want dangerous criminals or incompetent people who cant file the immigration form working for him. Illegal immigrants do end up getting shitty min wage jobs, a businessman like Trump probably wont like that. Mexico does send its hardened criminals to the US. Mexico feels its better they jump the border than pay for them in prison. Criminals from Mexico should go back to Mexico and serve time in Mexico. Legal immigrants are okay.

because you keep shouting racism and refer to Trump's speeches about illegal immigrants as racist or painting all Mexicans as such. Its not what Trump is doing.

so if the drug cartels have the government by the throat, are they thus funded by the government, no? Does the Mexican government's inability to prevent this the fault of the Mexican government and invariably sending the cartels and dangerous criminals to the US, no?


Yeah, you think stereotypes are bad. I got that. I think context of stereotyping is important to understand the meaning behind the person using them.

it does matter whos paying for it.... Mexico! He said he works with businessman and bankers in Mexico and politicians dont understand how business works. Trumps record of transforming city owned buildings in miniscule time compared to the city is justifcation for this as well.

And Mexico won't do shit about them.

Not really. Drug traffickers and drug dealers illegally cross the border and illegally cross into the US. There are also victims of the drug cartels who flee them into the US. That is also an issue. They are interelated.

And Mexico will do shit about them once Trump is president.

He won the latino vote in the NV caucus. He has latinos supporting him. He has a latino base of supporters. Hes not the most popular, granted, he does have latino support. He has latino support within their community, better?

Hasnt done shit, yet! He will, though.

Youre the one crying racism, youre the one making it a race issue. Thats why im saying youre racist. I just see it as Trump appealing to a culture hes caused controversy with.

So I think soon we'll get a chance to see more bias against Trump, or potential bias. You guys might know he made a stop in Louisiana and they have had that horrible flooding going on. Well of course the governor of the state has to open his mouth and waggle his tongue and whine about it and say he didn't want people stopping by for photo ops. But he was nice enough to say it would be okay for Trump instead to make a donation.

Or wait sorry, he said it was okay to make a LARGE donation. So boatloads of cash=good, showing up to talk to the people for a bit=bad. On the radio just a little while ago I heard Obama is going to pull himself away from the golf course and make an appearance in Louisiana too. So this will be an experiment: will the governor open his mouth and tell Obama not to come and to just make a large donation instead?

What do you guys think? Yay or nay? For all I know the governor has already made a statement like that so perhaps I'll go check google for the statement I am sure is going to come.

I think Trump helped himself a lot by going to Louisiana, regardless of all that.

They don't want his presence, but they sure will take his money.

Which you know if he didn't show up and instead donated a bunch of money they'd just whine and say he was trying to pander to people.

Obama is the president, its kinda different than a candidate. Trump also has a lot of money and a lot of publicity. I think their concerns were legit and Trump did good.

Originally posted by Withsensibility
Obama is the president, its kinda different than a candidate. Trump also has a lot of money and a lot of publicity. I think their concerns were legit and Trump did good.

Yes he's a president who sure as hell could use a few more "wins" before he leaves office, so if people are going to whine over Trumps presence then why not Obama's too? They especially shouldn't have the audacity to complain and in the same breath put their damn hands out asking for money lol.

Trump gets tons of publicity, the guy could stub his damn toe and people would find a reason to b*tch about it. They whine over his current image, they whine over what they see as attempts to change that image.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes he's a president who sure as hell could use a few more "wins" before he leaves office, so if people are going to whine over Trumps presence then why not Obama's too? They especially shouldn't have the audacity to complain and in the same breath put their damn hands out asking for money lol.

Trump gets tons of publicity, the guy could stub his damn toe and people would find a reason to b*tch about it. They whine over his current image, they whine over what they see as attempts to change that image. Obama is the president and Trump is a candidate.

Eh, they probably just didnt want a media shitstorm, which Trump has a record of doing.

Well, yeah. People will whine if he went their, probs just best he not go in their eyes.

Obama is a president who has taken a lot of heat for certain things in the past few months, and who has even taken heat for not visiting Louisiana as of yet. So make no mistake this can just as easily be a photo op for the president. Obama isn't just going to become a hermit once his presidency ends.

Also wouldn't they want as many eyes on this situation in Louisiana as possible? The more attention they get the more potential donations they will get.

Plus don't you think people would of accused him of pandering if he donated a massive amount of money?

I think Obama should have visited, I just understand why they wont refuse him to visit.

Trump has bad publicity. Hence concern. Its not justified, but understandable.

People will accuse him of pandering yeah, I just understand narlens concerns, is all.