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Imperiex:

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vs.

Surtur (Everything Burns arc):

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/7/71/The_Mighty_Thor_Vol_1_21_Textless.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120710200415


Who wins?

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Surtur wins.

I don't know Quan. I think Imperiex kills him via rift attack.

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't know Quan. I think Imperiex kills him via rift attack. Nah.

Imperiex 10/10. He's simply in another league.

Nah.

definitely imperiex.

Not so clear cut. The combination of Darkseid's Omega Beams and a Kismet enhanced Superman is able to destroy Imperiex. Similarly, it takes the power of The Designate enhancing Thors power a million times combined with Odin to take out Surtur. Those are comparable groups. At that time, Kismet and The Designate hold similar positions while Odin is much more powerful the Darkseid of that period who can't beat Superman.

Surtur would have the Twilight Sword and need only to compromise Imperiex's armor to win if he can withstand or deflect his EP.

Imperiex stomps.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Not so clear cut. The combination of Darkseid's Omega Beams and a Kismet enhanced Superman is able to destroy Imperiex. Similarly, it takes the power of The Designate enhancing Thors power a million times combined with Odin to take out Surtur.

GTFO. Designate only amped Thor's lightning a millionfold.

And Odin's power was nearly exhausted there.

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/29582598_Thor_v2_040_06.jpg



Kismet is FAR more powerful than Designate. She is Eternity level and that's even acknowledge in the letters pages from that same arc.

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/29582597_as599p23.jpg

GTFO here.

And Odin needed all his power to heal Thor's broken bones in that arc FFS.

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/29582596_14.jpg

Darkseid has casually resurrected Orion.

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/29582510_NewGodsv3_07-08.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/29582511_NewGodsv3_07-10.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/29582512_NewGodsv3_07-11.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/29582513_NewGodsv3_07-12.jpg


Odin couldn't even beat Jane Thor while going bloodlusted.



And Darkseid did beat Superman in three punches in MOS 116.



Haha, no. Imperiex oneshots him with an entropy rift.

^ Darkseid from 'that period' also whimsically created a trans-level being, in the form of Stayne(Takion's equal/opposite.)

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Darkseid from 'that period' also whimsically created a trans-level being, in the form of Stayne(Takion's equal/opposite.)
Yup. And Takion was a beast, controlling Godwave, becoming one with universe and shit like that.

He was more skyfather level than mere trans level IMO.

Takion was really only limited by the amount of energy he was channeling from the Source at any given time. And because everything stems from the Source, he was capable of controlling all types of energy. We saw this when he mucked with the Speed Force, the Quantum Field, and the Lantern energy.... As a n00b.

...And Darkseid whipped up a being just as powerful. Casually.

Of course the same writer who wrote that Odin wrote Darkseid getting brutalized by Doomsday. And that letters page says nothing about Kismet being Eternity level.

It's funny that when debating Darkseid fans, Superman fans argue that Darkseid wins with three punches because Superman is fatigued. Why is that not being applied now?

Below is much more impressive than the need for tech and an army of probes to manipulate nexus points to destroy a galaxy.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/73849/2030214-surtur_galaxy_iii.jpg

http://s93.photobucket.com/user/gaarakaku/media/thorv1337p024ei.jpg.html

http://s93.photobucket.com/user/gaarakaku/media/thorv1337p037pe.jpg.html

Why are you so impressed by Surtur collecting a molten ingot of star-stuff left over from the detonation of a galactic core?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Of course the same writer who wrote that Odin wrote Darkseid getting brutalized by Doomsday.

And also wrote Darkseid being far above Superman in power. Doomsday was just that beastly.

Odin wouldn't like a physical confrontation from Doomsday either. Remind me how Odin fared against Mangog again.




The letters say that she is about to play an important part in an upcoming event. She next appeared in JL/Avengers.

Not hard to understand.



Who said that?





Only the core of the galaxy was destroyed. The probes destroyed entire universe with a supermassive black hole.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25421673_Young_Justice_Drafted_23_CitizenPain-DCP.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25421675_Young_Justice_Drafted_24_CitizenPain-DCP.jpg

And the probes actually tanked it.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25421677_Young_Justice_Drafted_34_CitizenPain-DCP.jpg

Forget about destroying a galaxy.

And a single probe was stalemating Mordru who is Odin level by himself and WTFstomped entire population of Daxam powered up.

Originally posted by Galan007
Why are you so impressed by Surtur collecting a molten ingot of star-stuff left over from the detonation of a galactic core?
Because Hulkster has a massive hard on for any marvel character doing anything.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And also wrote Darkseid being far above Superman in power. Doomsday was just that beastly.

Odin wouldn't like a physical confrontation from Doomsday either. Remind me how Odin fared against Mangog again.




The letters say that she is about to play an important part in an upcoming event. She next appeared in JL/Avengers.

Not hard to understand.



Who said that?





Only the core of the galaxy was destroyed. The probes destroyed entire universe with a supermassive black hole.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25421673_Young_Justice_Drafted_23_CitizenPain-DCP.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25421675_Young_Justice_Drafted_24_CitizenPain-DCP.jpg

And the probes actually tanked it.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25421677_Young_Justice_Drafted_34_CitizenPain-DCP.jpg

Forget about destroying a galaxy.

And a single probe was stalemating Mordru who is Odin level by himself and WTFstomped entire population of Daxam powered up.

Abc logic at its finest. Doomsday was wrecking probes left and right and he isn't even up to Superman level of power at 95 percent with an apokoliptian mentality. Surtur wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And a single probe was stalemating Mordru who is Odin level by himself and WTFstomped entire population of Daxam powered up. A single Probe steamrolling through 100,000 solar-powered Daxamite warriors with a fair amount of ease is just ridiculous.

Originally posted by Galan007
Why are you so impressed by Surtur collecting a molten ingot of star-stuff left over from the detonation of a galactic core?

Because it is more impressive than your probes placing devices at precise nexus points in order to trigger black holes. That is the use of tech to manipulate key points in your environment as opposed to use of innate power.

Lol, "my Probes". So you're ignoring their other feats in favor of Surtur... Collecting an ingot of star-stuff?

Makes sense.


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And please remember: this thread is about Imperiex Prime -- not insignificant micro-fractions of his power(ie. Probes.)

Originally posted by Galan007
A single Probe steamrolling through 100,000 solar-powered Daxamite warriors with a fair amount of ease is just ridiculous.

That's a myth. We see one Prope engage a group of Daxamites while a large number have already gone by him headed for the ship. We later learn that the Daxamites have been defeated, but not specially how and by whom.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Hulkster has a massive hard on for any marvel character doing anything.



You don't see your own hypocrisy?

Anyhow:

1. You reference a non-continuity answer to a question by a creator to prove a character's power level and then...

2. You relate that answer to JLA/Avengers (a crossover) and conclude that this is an acknowledgement that Kismet is Eternity level despite the creator never saying that.

That's some serious reaching.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, "my Probes". So you're ignoring their other feats in favor of Surtur... Collecting an ingot of star-stuff?

Makes sense.


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And please remember: this thread is about Imperiex Prime -- not insignificant micro-fractions of his power(ie. Probes.)

I was stating "your probes" from the perspective of Imperiex Prime, not you. And I reference them because they are the ones setting up the devices.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You don't see your own hypocrisy?

What hypocrisy?



What non continuity answer?



That crossover is canon and Kismet is directly stated to be Eternity's counterpart in JLA/Avengers itself. Busiek followed that by showing Kismet being the embodiment of universes again.

Anyhow, The JSA destroys Imperiex's ship and the rest of the aliens keep him busy, maneuvering him between Earth and Apokolips. Not vey impressive being contained and maneuvered by conventional alien forces.

Originally posted by Galan007
A single Probe steamrolling through 100,000 solar-powered Daxamite warriors with a fair amount of ease is just ridiculous.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What hypocrisy?



What non continuity answer?



That crossover is canon and Kismet is directly stated to be Eternity's counterpart in JLA/Avengers itself. Busiek followed that by showing Kismet being the embodiment of universes again.





Everything DC beats everything Marvel in your book. Your DC bias is legendary. You are being monstrously hypocritical.

What a creator says to a fan is not part of the story. Isn't this and crossovers not viewed as legitimate debate points here? I saw someone reported for using the former so I'm not even sure I should be discussing these.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Anyhow, The JSA destroys Imperiex's ship and the rest of the aliens keep him busy, maneuvering him between Earth and Apokolips. Not vey impressive being contained and maneuvered by conventional alien forces.


Dr Strange has beaten both Surtur and Ymir. OF Thor has beaten Surtur.

Archenemy made Surtur shit his pants. You don't want to see low showings brought up.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Everything DC beats everything Marvel in your book. Your DC bias is legendary. You are being monstrously hypocritical.


Not even remotely true. I admit Odin beats Batgirl.



It shows that they were aware of what role Kismet will play in JLA/Avengers.

And her power level. What made Designate as powerful as Kismet? Except your marvel bias that is.

Then see Trinity where Kismet is shown as embodiment of the universe.

The exact same role as Eternity.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You don't see your own hypocrisy?

Anyhow:

1. You reference a non-continuity answer to a question by a creator to prove a character's power level and then...

2. You relate that answer to JLA/Avengers (a crossover) and conclude that this is an acknowledgement that Kismet is Eternity level despite the creator never saying that.

That's some serious reaching. Crossovers are against the rules as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
A single Probe steamrolling through 100,000 solar-powered Daxamite warriors with a fair amount of ease is just ridiculous.

Ridiculous is the word.

Loeb and Casey really knocked it out of the park with that shit arc