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If you had a choice to gain one of the following, which one will you pick and why?

1. Permanent limitless pill (lasts a lifetime with no side effects).
2. The next power of 2 minutes (Nicholas Cage).
3. The highlander power (immortal unless your head is cut off) and cutting off someone else's head results in gaining their knowledge and skills.
4. Jumper's power (teleportation).

Bonus question. Which choice of powers below is best to take over the world the easiest?

1. Dr. Xavier power with permanent limitedless pill (no side effects for both) .

Or

2. The 2 minute next power and jumper's power and highlander's power.

Next is out. Sure it's an awesome power, but you could only do so much with it. You'd be an amazing athlete or something like that though.

With Highlander, you'd become a mass murderer, and there's no guarantee immortality equals a great life.

Jumper would honestly be pretty cool; you could do a whole lot with that.

I'd have to take the NZT though. With it, you could learn anything, figure out anything. The world would literally be at your fingertips, and no one other than a fellow NZT user would be able to get even near your level of efficiency. And in a comic world, you could just invent technology to give yourself super powers. If it makes you inhumanly brilliant in the real world, it'd put you on a high end level of intelligence in the comicverse.


Xavier's telepathy with the NZT is the best choice to take over the world. With your telepathy, you could manipulate or outright control every world leader. And with your intelligence you could basically run the world and no one would know.

What does the limitless pill do?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What does the limitless pill do?

NZT is literally a smart pill. It basically lets you use 100% of your brain, at 100% efficiency. Eddie Mora, the main character of the movie was a writer who'd had writer's block for like 2 years. He took the pill, finished his book in a few hours(went on to become a best seller), and cornered the stock market, making himself a millionaire in a few weeks or months. He did a lot more too. You should watch the movie, it's awesome.

In the show, Brian Fynch gets the pill and does stuff like become a master MMA fighter in a day or so(the guy who trained him said it took him 5 years to get that good, after Brian had only been practicing for one or two days), solved unsolvable crimes, etc...

It can even give you perfect recall, as a guy who'd been accused of murdering his wife several years ago remembered her killers face from touch, despite not getting a good look at him.

You basically become the perfect version of yourself, and then some.

In the show(continuation of the movie), Eddie Mora is a senator running for President, and someone tried to assassinate him(the sniper was also on NZT). Eddie hears the gunshot, and moves just enough to get grazed by the bullet, which in turn causes his voter numbers to skyrocket. So he basically kinda dodged a sniper round on purpose to help his campaign(he could have dodged it completely)

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What does the limitless pill do? gives you total recall (you remember everything you've every learned, even if you were only half paying attention at the time), and other genius type abilities.

it basically turns you into Michael Holt of DC Comics.

nzt is the easy, and perhaps the obvious answer, but i'd choose "jumping".

to me, that's ultimate freedom. I don't feel the need to be a super genius. I'd pull off one giant heist and live the rest of my life hopping all around the world.

Being an Immortal actually seems pretty awful, to be honest. Outlive everyone you care about, can't have children, Watchers come butting into your business, and, every now and then, some lunatic tries to cut your head off with a sword.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Being an Immortal actually seems pretty awful, to be honest. Outlive everyone you care about, can't have children, Watchers come butting into your business, and, every now and then, some lunatic tries to cut your head off with a sword. i dont think we're living in the world where the characters come from.

Don't count next out. With it you can potentially see far into the future. For example, if you see something then write it down (or type it on your cellphone). Your 2 minutes past self will see what you wrote and then copy it on his cell phone, and his 2 minute past self will see it and do the same. This can go up to the point you woke up.
That means you can win all lottery, casinos, Texas holdem, etc. You will be almost impossible to kill. You can win over many people (women) by find out what to say and do. You can learn anything at an accelerated rate. For example, if you be taught mathematics then before the teacher opens his mouth you would have learned what he taught.

So you can be filthy rich, get women, be smart, be the best fighter or skilled athlete (hit a home run every time, hit a 3 point shot everytime, win every fight, win every chess game, etc), become like Deadshot and Captain America at the same time, etc.

Highlander

With the highlander's power you can become a genius if you kill one. But who wants to kill? You can live for a long time (if that's your desire). No one will know that cutting your head off kills you (unless you tell them).

I would say
1. Next
2. NZT
3. Jumper
4. Highlander

With NZT ability you can do a little Next ability (as Morra showed at the end of the movie) and
With the Next ability you can become smart (learn fast) and make No mistakes

there's no way in hell i would ever want to be immortal unless i could also shapeshift to conceal my identity throughout time, and have eternal youth... 'cause why in tf would i wanna live forever looking like Palpatine.

Originally posted by KingD19
Next is out. Sure it's an awesome power, but you could only do so much with it. You'd be an amazing athlete or something like that though.

With Highlander, you'd become a mass murderer, and there's no guarantee immortality equals a great life.

Jumper would honestly be pretty cool; you could do a whole lot with that.

I'd have to take the NZT though. With it, you could learn anything, figure out anything. The world would literally be at your fingertips, and no one other than a fellow NZT user would be able to get even near your level of efficiency. And in a comic world, you could just invent technology to give yourself super powers. If it makes you inhumanly brilliant in the real world, it'd put you on a high end level of intelligence in the comicverse.


Xavier's telepathy with the NZT is the best choice to take over the world. With your telepathy, you could manipulate or outright control every world leader. And with your intelligence you could basically run the world and no one would know.

100% agreed...

Originally posted by marwash22
there's no way in hell i would ever want to be immortal unless i could also shapeshift to conceal my identity throughout time, and have eternal youth... 'cause why in tf would i wanna live forever looking like Palpatine. you don't age with the highlander ability. You will always look young (if you already are).

Originally posted by h1a8



be smart

be the best fighter

skilled athlete

hit a home run every time

hit a 3 point shot everytime

become like Deadshot and Captain America at the same time


how?

Originally posted by h1a8
you don't age with the highlander ability. You will always look young (if you already are). oh. i thought they aged.

still, looking the same for centuries would be problematic.

Originally posted by marwash22
how?

You would be an amazing fighter as you can predict every punch/kick thrown
Depending on the sport, for example football. It'd be nearly impossible to tackle you or intercept your passes as you'd know what didn't work.
Etc, etc...

Don't know how it'll make you smart though. Or make you like Cap.


Originally posted by marwash22
oh. i thought they aged.

still, looking the same for centuries would be problematic.

Keanu Reeves has gotten away with it for a pretty long time.

Originally posted by KingD19
You would be an amazing fighter as you can predict every punch/kick thrown
Depending on the sport, for example football. It'd be nearly impossible to tackle you or intercept your passes as you'd know what didn't work.
Etc, etc...i guess. but technically, you'd just be a cheater. You wouldn't actually be skilled at anything.




Originally posted by KingD19
Keanu Reeves has gotten away with it for a pretty long time. ha.

so has Nic Cage:


http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/nicolas-cage-is-a-vampire.jpg

Originally posted by marwash22
i dont think we're living in the world where the characters come from.

The no children and outliving everyone is still a b****. Plus, you'd have to change up paperwork/IDs etc. every few years, which is another hassle. Otherwise, you'd raise a lot of questions when years pass by and your appearance remains exactly the same. Just seems like a rather lonely and miserable existence.

Originally posted by marwash22
how?



be smart by learning fast (before the teacher opens their mouth you would have learned the lesson and know the answer to many questions on tests)

be the best fighter (as shown in the movie)

skilled athlete (hit home run everytime, hit every basketball shot, etc). Did you see the movie? Cage was able to dodge a barrage of bullets by trial and error.


become like Deadshot and Captain America at the same time (trial and error when shooting and trial and error in fighting).

Originally posted by marwash22
i guess. but technically, you'd just be a cheater. You wouldn't actually be skilled at anything.




ha.

so has Nic Cage:


http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/nicolas-cage-is-a-vampire.jpg

Agreed. Well, you'd have to get fit at least and learn the basics. Like a 300lb fatass who doesn't know how to throw a punch won't win a UFC fight no matter how much he can predict. But if you got in the right shape and learned how to handle yourself, then you could indeed basically cheat your way through most things.

Cage saw into the future how to not die. He wrote Next as a cry for help because he wants to end it.

He needs to hire Danny Trejo then. Machete can counter precog, as seen in Machete Kills.

Originally posted by h1a8
be smart by learning fast (before the teacher opens their mouth you would have learned the lesson and know the answer to many questions on tests)

be the best fighter (as shown in the movie)

skilled athlete (hit home run everytime, hit every basketball shot, etc). Did you see the movie? Cage was able to dodge a barrage of bullets by trial and error.


become like Deadshot and Captain America at the same time (trial and error when shooting and trial and error in fighting).

That doesn't make you smart. That makes you able to learn efficiently. Getting 100% on a test because you know the answers means you have a cheat sheet, not that you're a genius.

Everything you've mentioned the NZT pill does, but there's no need for trial and error. You're just smart enough to know how to do it. You'd be aware enough to enhance your perception of time(Bryan and Eddie have both done it) to dodge hits, or you could just get good enough at fighting to be a beast on your own, etc...

Originally posted by marwash22
i guess. but technically, you'd just be a cheater. You wouldn't actually be skilled at anything.




ha.

so has Nic Cage:


http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/nicolas-cage-is-a-vampire.jpg

Who gives a shit? Cheating is fun to many people. I cheat all the time and have a blast at it. I would break the home run record in less than 10 years. I would always score 100 points or more a game in basketball.

Have you seen Valley Girl? Nicholas Cage was a baby boy. That destroys that myth.

your argument for the "Next" power is odd, because like KingD pointed out, NZT actually allows you to permanently enter God mode w/o the endless do-overs.

While on NZT, Bryan beat a jiu jitsu black belt after just a few hours of training.

NZT is superior to the Next power.

Originally posted by KingD19
That doesn't make you smart. That makes you able to learn efficiently. Getting 100% on a test because you know the answers means you have a cheat sheet, not that you're a genius.

Everything you've mentioned the NZT pill does, but there's no need for trial and error. You're just smart enough to know how to do it. You'd be aware enough to enhance your perception of time(Bryan and Eddie have both done it) to dodge hits, or you could just get good enough at fighting to be a beast on your own, etc... agreed. But no one would tell the difference. That's all that matters to me.

With next power you could be the best (cheating) athlete if that's important to you (it's to me as I love sports). You can be an instant billionaire as you can win several powerballs, be greater than Floyd Mayweather, etc. You can get girls (this is the most desirable).

Originally posted by marwash22
your argument for the "Next" power is odd, because like KingD pointed out, NZT actually allows you to permanently enter God mode.

While on NZT, Bryan beat a jiu jitsu black belt after just a few hours of training.

NZT is superior to the Next power. Nicholas cage would beat the hell out of any NZT user. He would know everymove they would make. He would be like midnighter.

You realize you can do all of that on NZT? And actually much more?

It would be funny to see someone waiting until 11:58 on the lotto night so they could get the winning number.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nicholas cage would beat the hell out of any NZT user. He would know everymove they would make. He would be like midnighter.

Nah. NZT users(shown by both Eddie and Bryan) are fast enough to dodge bullets, and can slow down their perception of time, which increases their reflexes. Cage can see what's coming, but he won't be fast enough to react.

And before you say he dodged bullets too, yes, but that was aim dodging, as he moved before they shot because he knew where they'd shoot at. What Eddie did was actually dodging a bullet, and he was so good he dodged it just enough to get slightly hit to increase his public rating. ALso the shot was taken by another NZT user from over a mile away and would have hit him in the heart had he not dodged so it grazed his arm.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nicholas cage would beat the hell out of any NZT user. He would know everymove they would make. He would be like midnighter. he'd win a fight... okay.

but in regard to everything else you mentioned, the girls, the money, the athletic prowess, NZT allows you to ACTUALLY do it.

why would you want to pretend to be great instead of actually being great?

Originally posted by marwash22
he'd win a fight... okay.

but in regard to everything else you mentioned, the girls, the money, the athletic prowess, NZT allows you to ACTUALLY do it.

why would you want to pretend to be great instead of actually being great?

Look up. He wouldn't even win a fight.

eh. i dunno.

I think the Next user would against the NZT user simply because the Next user has unlimited do-overs. The Next user would just keep replaying the fight until he figured out how to win. The reflexes and speed isn't enough to compensate for someone countering your moves before you make them.

Also, the NZT user wouldn't even be aware of what's happening... to the NZT user, it's the first time the fight is happening. I'd imagine the Next user kills the NZT user after 2 or 3 tries.

Originally posted by KingD19
You realize you can do all of that on NZT? And actually much more?

It would be funny to see someone waiting until 11:58 on the lotto night so they could get the winning number.
Huh? The win would be instant. No wait necessary. Just watch the winner numbers on TV then type them in your cell phone. Your 2 minute past self sees the typing and then types the numbers in his cell phone. Then his 2 minute self sees it and types it. This goes on until you reach the one who can play the numbers.

Well NZT does give you some Next abilities. It's just you can get rich faster with Next. NZT is a good choice. I would choose it and try to usher us into the Star Trek generation.

Originally posted by KingD19
Nah. NZT users(shown by both Eddie and Bryan) are fast enough to dodge bullets, and can slow down their perception of time, which increases their reflexes. Cage can see what's coming, but he won't be fast enough to react.

And before you say he dodged bullets too, yes, but that was aim dodging, as he moved before they shot because he knew where they'd shoot at. What Eddie did was actually dodging a bullet, and he was so good he dodged it just enough to get slightly hit to increase his public rating. ALso the shot was taken by another NZT user from over a mile away and would have hit him in the heart had he not dodged so it grazed his arm.
So NZT gives you superhuman speed? NZT users cant move as fast as a bullet and they cant change their attack after their twitch fibers fire. Next ability allows you to aim dodge the moment before they launch the attack.

It gives them superhuman reaction/reflex/combat speed, yes. Also, an NZT user would realize rather quickly that he's predicting their moves, and based on some of the shit they've done, I see them coming up with a way around it.

Do his powers even work like that in Next? He saw everything 2 minutes into the future. And then he had that one long flashback that showed the whole thing was a vision? I don't know, they never explained that part well.

I choose Highlander. I got no probs killing to get smarts. And I could handle the years. I would just Archer&Armstrong it up.

NZT sounds like too much hassle.

i haven't seen 'Next' since it came out.

don't recall it working the way H1 describes, but i can't dispute it.

Originally posted by marwash22
i haven't seen 'Next' since it came out.

don't recall it working the way H1 describes, but i can't dispute it.

Iirc, for most of the movie he sees up to a maximum of 2 minutes. The gun scene is basically him seeing a couple seconds into the future. Then it turns out the entire thing was one long vision when he flashes back to the start of the movie at the end. Which honestly confuses me.

I'd probably go the Highlander route. I want to see other planets and stuff, what kind of crazy shit the distant future holds.

True, but again with NZT that's also possible. You could simply figure out how to progress the cloning process to where it works on humans. In the show they already had a group of scientists(normal people) who found a way to encode personality, memories, feelings, etc... into a cyber brain. Or figure out how to take the DNA from the jellyfish that is immortal because it regresses it's age when it's about to die and just modify that so you can alter your own age or something.

I would go NZT, there is too much good you can do with that much brain power.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I would go NZT, there is too much good you can do with that much brain power.



In this, we see eye to eye...

Originally posted by KingD19
Iirc, for most of the movie he sees up to a maximum of 2 minutes. The gun scene is basically him seeing a couple seconds into the future. Then it turns out the entire thing was one long vision when he flashes back to the start of the movie at the end. Which honestly confuses me.

He could only see 2 minutes into the future, unless it dealt with Liz Cooper. IIRC this was actually stated near the start of the movie.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He could only see 2 minutes into the future, unless it dealt with Liz Cooper. IIRC this was actually stated near the start of the movie.

Ahhhh. I didn't remember much more than he could see into the future and he was a "magician". So no "infinite future vision" by whatever method hia8 said? Just 2 minutes max from where he is, so if it was 8:00pm, he could see to 8:02pm at most, and then flash back to 8:00pm correct?


Yeah, NZT is definitely the best choice.

Yea, h1 is just trying to justify making a poor power choice.

Originally posted by KingD19
Ahhhh. I didn't remember much more than he could see into the future and he was a "magician". So no "infinite future vision" by whatever method hia8 said? Just 2 minutes max from where he is, so if it was 8:00pm, he could see to 8:02pm at most, and then flash back to 8:00pm correct?

Yeah, NZT is definitely the best choice.

At 8:00 he can see his 8:02 self
His 7:58 self can see his 8:00 self.
He can continue to pass messages down the line.
For example, 8:02 self witnesses a bomb going off
8:00 sees the vision and jots it down in detail.
7:58 self sees the note being jotted down and copies it down
7:56 self sees the note being jotted down from 7:58 self and he then jolts it down.
This can go on until Cage has enough time to avoid the whole situation.

He's not seeing more than 2 minutes into the future but he also has the ability to send information back to his past selves.

Originally posted by h1a8
At 8:00 he can see his 8:02 self
His 7:58 self can see his 8:00 self.
He can continue to pass messages down the line.
For example, 8:02 self witnesses a bomb going off
8:00 sees the vision and jots it down in detail.
7:58 self sees the note being jotted down and copies it down
7:56 self sees the note being jotted down from 7:58 self and he then jolts it down.
This can go on until Cage has enough time to avoid the whole situation.

He's not seeing more than 2 minutes into the future but he also has the ability to send information back to his past selves.


Posts feats from the movie where he does this.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Posts feats from the movie where he does this.

He doesn't. But I would.

Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't. But I would.

IOW, you have no proof that his powers could be used in that manner.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you have no proof that his powers could be used in that manner. Yes I do.
Nicholas Cage can see his future self.


If the ability couldn't be used that way then his 7:58 self wouldn't be able to see his 8:00 self writing down a note. But that would contradict the ability to view his future self entirely.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes I do.
Nicholas Cage can see his future self.


If the ability couldn't be used that way then his 7:58 self wouldn't be able to see his 8:00 self writing down a note. But that would contradict the ability to view his future self entirely.

Post the feats that back up your interpretation of how his powers work.

Seeing his future self is fine, but your version of his powers is that he can jump infinitely into the future, but only at 2 minute intervals. And then work his way back to zero to put everything into motion. Not that he can only jump 2 minutes into the future unless Liz(or whoever you love in this case) is involved.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the feats that back up your interpretation of how his powers work. I can play the trolling ignoring what someone said too. I explained how the powers work. I even did a proof (by contradiction) that they work like that.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes I do.
Nicholas Cage can see his future self.


If the ability couldn't be used that way then his 7:58 self wouldn't be able to see his 8:00 self writing down a note. But that would contradict the ability to view his future self entirely.

You explained how you wanted his powers to work, now try posting feats from the movie that will back it up.

I want the power to give a movie character the ability to do something he never even did in the first place

Originally posted by marwash22
nzt is the easy, and perhaps the obvious answer, but i'd choose "jumping".

to me, that's ultimate freedom. I don't feel the need to be a super genius. I'd pull off one giant heist and live the rest of my life hopping all around the world. Agreed with this. He had the most versatile teleportation powers I've ever seen. I'd pick his in an instant.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You explained how you wanted his powers to work, now try posting feats from the movie that will back it up.


That's the way his powers work. He wakes up at 7:00am. His 7:00am self can't see the event the 8:02 pm self sees.Because he only has a 2 minute window. But his 7:00am self can see what his 7:02am self writes on a notepad. His 7:02 self can see what his 7:04 self writes.
... His 7:58pm self sees what his 8:00pm self writes.
His 8:00pm self sees the bomb explodes on his 8:02pm self and then decides to write a note.

The note reads, "A bomb explodes on me at 8:02pm while I'm at Tom's dinner. Copy this note now, including the following sentence. If it is 7:00am then don't copy this note."

Originally posted by KingD19
Seeing his future self is fine, but your version of his powers is that he can jump infinitely into the future, but only at 2 minute intervals. And then work his way back to zero to put everything into motion. Not that he can only jump 2 minutes into the future unless Liz(or whoever you love in this case) is involved. He cant see infinitely into the future. Each version of himself can only see up to 2 minutes into the future. But he can pass information to himself future than 2 minutes. Passing information is not the same thing as seeing further into the future.

And this trick only works to the time he wakes up from his nightly sleep.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's the way his powers work. He wakes up at 7:00am. His 7:00am self can't see the event the 8:02 pm self sees.Because he only has a 2 minute window. But his 7:00am self can see what his 7:02am self writes on a notepad. His 7:02 self can see what his 7:04 self writes.
... His 7:58pm self sees what his 8:00pm self writes.
His 8:00pm self sees the bomb explodes on his 8:02pm self and then decides to write a note.

The note reads, "A bomb explodes on me at 8:02pm while I'm at Tom's dinner. Copy this note now, including the following sentence. If it is 7:00am then don't copy this note."

No, that's how you want his powers to work. if it was how his powers actually worked, you would be able to post feats.

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, that's how you want his powers to work. if it was how his powers actually worked, you would be able to post feats.

Here's the proof that his powers work like that.
It's proof by contradiction.

1. His powers doesn't work like that.
2. At any time he can see UP TO 2 minutes into the future, only his future to be exact.
3. He had this ability for years.

Good so far? Ok let's keep going.


4. Assume that he gets blown up at 8:02pm and his 8:00pm self sees the vision of it.
5. Assume the 8:00pm self then writes a note quickly, stating what happens at 8:02pm.

Good so far?

6. Now since his powers doesn't work like that then his 7:58 self cannot see the note he's writing.

7. Therefore, he cannot see 2 minutes into the future at all at 7:58pm.

8. But this contradicts the fact that he can see UP TO 2 minutes into the future at ANY time.

9. Therefore, his powers do work that way.

Again, back up your claims with feats from the movie.

Lol @ the fact that this thread has come to people asking for feats

When there's a burden of proof...

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, back up your claims with feats from the movie.

1. Cage sees himself blowing up at the end of the movie within 2 minutes of it happening.

2. Cage sees what's on tv before he changes the channel.

This backs up the fact that he can, at all times, see within 2 minutes of HIS future (out of his eyes).

Your claim is that he can see hours/days/weeks into the future by chaining his 2 minute glimpses.

Post feats from the movie that back this up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your claim is that he can see hours/days/weeks into the future by chaining his 2 minute glimpses.

Post feats from the movie that back this up.

False. He can't see hours/days/weeks into the future by chaining 2 minute glimpses.

I never claimed this.

His earlier self will never SEE the bomb going off. He will only see a note that his 2 minute self wrote.

Note: The note could be a complete lie and the one who wrote it did so because he knew that's the only thing his earlier self would react to.

This is all speculation.

damnit, H1, you liar.

Originally posted by h1a8
False. He can't see hours/days/weeks into the future by chaining 2 minute glimpses.

I never claimed this.

His earlier self will never SEE the bomb going off. He will only see a note that his 2 minute self wrote.

Note: The note could be a complete lie and the one who wrote it did so because he knew that's the only thing his earlier self would react to.

Prove it via movie feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it via movie feats.

My proof is based off movie feats. Cage knew tv events before he turned the channel, he knew the cards in blackjack, etc.

There's nothing to prove. I didn't claim anything other than his ability (which is to always see his future up to 2 minutes). Seeing a note from 2 minutes ahead is not the same thing as seeing the actual event 12hours ahead. The note can be a lie.


Originally posted by KingD19
This is all speculation. I just proved that it wasn't. If you are not intelligent enough to understand the proof then don't claim that it's faulty.

"I don't understand the proof thus it's not proof."

i see what you're saying, but thats like an hour worth of writing the same note. nobody has that kind of time...

Originally posted by h1a8
My proof is based off movie feats. Cage knew tv events before he turned the channel, he knew the cards in blackjack, etc.

There's nothing to prove. I didn't claim anything other than his ability (which is to always see his future up to 2 minutes). Seeing a note from 2 minutes ahead is not the same thing as seeing the actual event 12hours ahead. The note can be a lie.


I just proved that it wasn't. If you are not intelligent enough to understand the proof then don't claim that it's faulty.

"I don't understand the proof thus it's not proof."

Post the movie feats that back up your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the movie feats that back up your claim. I mentioned them. We all seen the movie.

If my proof is faulty then point out where it is faulty. Stop trolling for once.

All you posted was speculation about how you think his powers could be used.

I want actual feats from the movie that prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
All you posted was speculation about how you think his powers could be used.

I want actual feats from the movie that prove it.
Prove that it's speculation. Saying it is doesn't mean it is.

IOW, you can't back up your claim, so you're trying to shift the burden.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you can't back up your claim, so you're trying to shift the burden. I did back up my claim. You claimed that my back up is speculation. Now the burden is on you.

No, you didnt. All you've done is speculate.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you didnt. All you've done is speculate. prove it

It's already proven speculation as he's never done anything near what you describe in the movie, or explained that his powers work like that.

Originally posted by KingD19
It's already proven speculation as he's never done anything near what you describe in the movie, or explained that his powers work like that.

He has done a many things exactly like what I said.
For example, he saw 2 minutes into the future to dodge a bullet.


Is it speculation that Spider-man can lift a go cart although he never did in a comic? Why? Is it because we can use logical proof to show that he can?

Basically, if something can be proven (logically or shown) then it's no longer speculation. I provided a complete proof already. If my proof is wrong then it could be speculation. But you must attack the proof (if it is wrong).

Note: Cage is never seeing into the future further than 2minutes. He's just reading a note that he wrote 2 minutes ahead. The note could be the truth or a lie. He really don't know what's going to happen because he never saw what happened (it was beyond his 2 minute window).
To claim that he can't read a note that he wrote 2 minutes ahead is saying that he can't see 2 minutes ahead.

In other words you can't prove that your speculation is true.

Originally posted by Silent Master
In other words you can't prove that your speculation is true.

In other words , there is no speculation due to the proof I gave.

Originally posted by h1a8
In other words , there is no speculation due to the proof I gave.

Proof is clips from the movie that back up your claims, you have posted zero.

All you do is speculate.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Proof is clips from the movie that back up your claims, you have posted zero.

All you do is speculate.

Proofs can be through clips or through deductive reasoning based off clips.

Speculation is something that neither clips nor deductive reasoning support.

Your opinion of proof is flawed since it can't be proven that Superman can lift a 5 ton steel safe since there is no clip showing it and we are not allowed to use deductive reasoning.

Your speculation isn't proof. post actual movie feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your speculation isn't proof. post actual movie feats.

There is no speculation. I posted the proof based off deductive reasoning. If the premises are true then the conclusion if necessarily true. So to attack the proof is to attack the premises. I can repost the proof if you like.

Post movie feats, not more speculation.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post movie feats, not more speculation.


Calling something speculation doesn't make it so.
If you feel it's speculation then show the flaw of the deductive reasoning. In other words, show which premises are flawed.

I don't have to prove your speculation wrong, you have to prove it's correct using movie feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't have to prove your speculation wrong, you have to prove it's correct using movie feats. That's a false statement. I have to prove it's correct using deductive reasoning and OR movie feats.

Deductive reasoning doesn't work. Example. In Twilight, each vampire has a "mental" ability. Deductive reasoning would go along the lines of, each vampire has similar powers, because all vampires are basically the same.

But statement and feats show that each power varies wildly, from telepathy, to the ability to escape danger as long as you follow your instincts, to flat out elemental control.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's a false statement. I have to prove it's correct using deductive reasoning and OR movie feats.

No, all you've done is speculate.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, all you've done is speculate.

False, you don't understand a deductive proof. You don't even know what a deductive argument is.

I'd go with the Jumper's ability most likely. You can use it to effectively pull off feats of strength and instead of robbing banks as in the film I'd teleport into the holdings of drug dealers, etc, and rob 'em blind if we're just talking from a perspective of easy wealth. Seems like the most fun ability to have to me.

NZT would be pretty cool for the fact that you could become a master of the pursuits that you enjoy, but it's hard to pass up the kind of fun that you could have with teleportation. I think I'd get much more joy out of life being able to take my time with the things that I wanted to and being able to cut out all the travel time between destinations. You could live in multiple cities all over the world at the same time and instantly reach any of the, see rare events over and over by jumping, i.e., some crazy planetary alignment that's only visible for a limited amount of time, and amass wealth through any number of means from what I mentioned above to reaching basically inaccessible ruins and such to simply running your own crazy one-off transportation for very time-sensitive jobs.

My choice, anyway.

Jumping easily... as far as powers go id take any involving transportation.
Super speed, flight, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
False, you don't understand a deductive proof. You don't even know what a deductive argument is.

Your speculation isn't proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your speculation isn't proof. There's is no speculation.

All you have is speculation.

Not that it matters, NZT Is still the better choice.

Originally posted by Silent Master
All you have is speculation.

Not that it matters, NZT Is still the better choice.

There is no speculation.
NZT is the better choice if you are already smart. It works best that way. Otherwise, you would just be a bright loser (like so many we seen on the show and movie).

I would go with NZT just to usher us into the age of star trek.

NZT is to help humanity and Next is to help oneself.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no speculation.
NZT is the better choice if you are already smart. It works best that way. Otherwise, you would just be a bright loser (like so many we seen on the show and movie).

I would go with NZT just to usher us into the age of star trek.

NZT is to help humanity and Next is to help oneself.

All you have is speculation. but I now understand why you didn't pick NZT.

Originally posted by h1a8
But who wants to kill? *raises hand*

Originally posted by Silent Master
All you have is speculation. but I now understand why you didn't pick NZT.

False.
I actually did pick NZT. Did you read my post?

Yet another lie and here is the proof.


Originally posted by h1a8
With the highlander's power you can become a genius if you kill one. But who wants to kill? You can live for a long time (if that's your desire). No one will know that cutting your head off kills you (unless you tell them).

I would say
1. Next
2. NZT
3. Jumper
4. Highlander

With NZT ability you can do a little Next ability (as Morra showed at the end of the movie) and
With the Next ability you can become smart (learn fast) and make No mistakes

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I want the power to give a movie character the ability to do something he never even did in the first place

I loled

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yet another lie and here is the proof.



That's was before. I changed my mind when I thought about star trek.

More like, You changed your mind because multiple people spent pages pointing out why Next wasn't a good choice.

Originally posted by Silent Master
More like, You changed your mind because multiple people spent pages pointing out why Next wasn't a good choice.

If it wasn't for star trek I'm going with Next.

Because you don't like picking the superior ability?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because you don't like picking the superior ability? Imo, next would be the superior ability, outside achieving Star Trek. It would give me an unlimited amount of chances to get something right. I can get rich FASTER. Avoid being shot. Be the best UFC fighter, hit a home run in every at bat (I'm a baseball player) that I don't get walked, hit every basketball shot, steal the ball almost every time, be the best boxer in history instantly, win poker bracelets, etc.

I love sports more than anything. So to be the best at many sports would be a dream come true. But the Star Trek becoming a reality and us humans becoming destined to become greater than the Q is my biggest dream.

Note: Not every NZT user can do what Morra did. It all depends on several factors.

Do you also believe the Earth is flat?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you also believe the Earth is flat?

Not perfectly. Only approximately within a vicinity. But overall it's not flat (assuming it exists at all).

Originally posted by h1a8
Imo, next would be the superior ability, outside achieving Star Trek. It would give me an unlimited amount of chances to get something right. I can get rich FASTER. Avoid being shot. Be the best UFC fighter, hit a home run in every at bat (I'm a baseball player) that I don't get walked, hit every basketball shot, steal the ball almost every time, be the best boxer in history instantly, win poker bracelets, etc.

I love sports more than anything. So to be the best at many sports would be a dream come true. But the Star Trek becoming a reality and us humans becoming destined to become greater than the Q is my biggest dream.

Note: Not every NZT user can do what Morra did. It all depends on several factors.

The show makes it clear that even bargain basement dummies on NZT can do amazing things. Piper Baird made a perfect shot over a mile away despite not being a trained sniper. A regular worker remembered a man's face from touch alone and reconstructed his entire skull out of clay after touching his face for maybe a few seconds in the dark. A SWAT officer climbed multiple stories up the side of a building on a whim. Another of those SWAT officers could have taken down the CJC branch of the FBI if he'd actually been out to kill anyone. And we see Brian pull off amazing feats every single episode.

Originally posted by KingD19
The show makes it clear that even bargain basement dummies on NZT can do amazing things. Piper Baird made a perfect shot over a mile away despite not being a trained sniper. A regular worker remembered a man's face from touch alone and reconstructed his entire skull out of clay after touching his face for maybe a few seconds in the dark. A SWAT officer climbed multiple stories up the side of a building on a whim. Another of those SWAT officers could have taken down the CJC branch of the FBI if he'd actually been out to kill anyone. And we see Brian pull off amazing feats every single episode.

h1a8 doesn't want to admit that he made a poor choice.

If we're not actually living in the world of these movies then I would choose the immortality. I think it would be awesome to have the chance to live forever, and if I truly got bored of it..well I could just decapitate myself.

As for losing loved ones..everybody does that, it is a part of life. Some people have to go on living for decades after having lost a loved one.

I forget if the highlanders can have children, but I don't ever want children so that wouldn't be much of an issue. But if I'm living in the Highlander universe this becomes a lot less appealing due to the whole "every now and then a maniac tries to murder you". You'd be constantly paranoid. Also eventually the whole "there can only be one" thing comes to pass and if you somehow manage to win..you lose your immortality. So that would be a deal breaker for me.

Just like with the Jumper powers..yeah it gives you freedom, but it's not worth it if one day you get Samuel L Jackson'ed to death.

Originally posted by KingD19
The show makes it clear that even bargain basement dummies on NZT can do amazing things. Piper Baird made a perfect shot over a mile away despite not being a trained sniper. A regular worker remembered a man's face from touch alone and reconstructed his entire skull out of clay after touching his face for maybe a few seconds in the dark. A SWAT officer climbed multiple stories up the side of a building on a whim. Another of those SWAT officers could have taken down the CJC branch of the FBI if he'd actually been out to kill anyone. And we see Brian pull off amazing feats every single episode.

I still think Next abilities are superior. Again I can hit every basketball shot made and always hit a home run. That alone trumps ANYTHING NZT can do.

I chose NZT in the end because I want star trek to become a reality. We must become greater than the Q.

Not every user can do what Morra did. It's not guaranteed.

You can hit every shot with NZT by judging angles, probability, etc... all in the time it takes to release the ball. You can see the baseball in slow motion, and know just where to swing to crack the bat and make it a homer.

And NZT has made every person who used it a superhuman level genius when they are determined.

Originally posted by KingD19
You can hit every shot with NZT by judging angles, probability, etc... all in the time it takes to release the ball. You can see the baseball in slow motion, and know just where to swing to crack the bat and make it a homer.

And NZT has made every person who used it a superhuman level genius when they are determined. No you can't. It takes more than judging angles but hand eye coordination. You will definitely hit more shots but NOT ALL OF THEM.

There were scenes Brian was getting hit in fights. As a boxer or fighter, I would never get hit with the Next power.

Keep making excuses to justify picking a inferior ability.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Keep making excuses to justify picking a inferior ability.
You can do things with Next ability you can't with NZT. It's not inferior but different. NZT is better for humanity and Next is better for selfish reasons.

The fact that you believe that just proves that you'd be one of those "bright losers" you refer to in the below post.

Originally posted by h1a8

NZT is the better choice if you are already smart. It works best that way. Otherwise, you would just be a bright loser.

For the rest of us, NZT is the far superior choice.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact that you believe that just proves that you'd be one of those "bright losers" you refer to in the below post.



For the rest of us, NZT is the far superior choice.

I disagree. It's a matter of opinion and about what goals do you desire more.
For sports and fighting, then Next is better. For creating awesome inventions then NZT.
Superior to achieving what goal?

I get it, you don't think you're smart enough to get the full benefit from NZT. so you picked the inferior Next ability.

How would you use the next ability in a UFC fight situation? Or how would you use it to write yourself a note after someone shoots you in the head from a mile away, or puts one in your head at close range? NZT is definitely superior in every way when it comes to what taking it offers. I'd much rather have that than the ability to send myself messages when some of the things I might need to be warned about would be fatal. If we're talking about being able to survive it's Highlander's immortality > NZT > Next

Regardless, I'd want to be a Jumper, especially if I didn't have Sam Jackson and Co. trying to kill me.

h1a8 doesn't believe he is smart enough to get any benefit from taking NZT. do you disagree?

Originally posted by Ascendancy
How would you use the next ability in a UFC fight situation? Or how would you use it to write yourself a note after someone shoots you in the head from a mile away, or puts one in your head at close range? NZT is definitely superior in every way when it comes to what taking it offers. I'd much rather have that than the ability to send myself messages when some of the things I might need to be warned about would be fatal. If we're talking about being able to survive it's Highlander's immortality > NZT > Next

Regardless, I'd want to be a Jumper, especially if I didn't have Sam Jackson and Co. trying to kill me.

Very easily. Glad to explain to you.

I'm a martial artist and know wrestling, Kung fu, and some jui Jitsu. With the next power I can go over every scenario until I get it right. I would be the perfect counter striker. I would know every move they would make. I could potentially knock them out in less than 10 seconds.

If someone shoots me in the head then my past self will see the vision of it happening. I would simply prepare and avoid the shot. This is what Chris did. No need for a note.

Now for an H-bomb (where I can't escape in 2 minutes time) then I (the version who sees me dying 2 minutes from now) can write a note of what happens at 8:02pm (the moment the bomb explodes). The note will read, "An H-bomb explodes on me while I'm in Toms dinner at 8:02pm. Please copy this note if the time is after 7:30am.

The 7:58pm self sees the vision of the 8:00pm self writing the note and he decides to write the note. The 7:56pm sees the vision of the 7:58pm self writing the note and he decides to write the note. This goes on and on until 7:30am.

The 7:30am self do not write the note. When that happens that would mean no one actually wrote the note since there is no longer a need to. I simply use the 12.5 hours warning to either leave the city or try to find the bomb.

I see why you're so fixated on the Next power, not only do you believe you're not smart enough to get any benefit from NZT, but you think the Next power is the only way you'll ever win a fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
Very easily. Glad to explain to you.

I'm a martial artist and know wrestling, Kung fu, and some jui Jitsu. With the next power I can go over every scenario until I get it right. I would be the perfect counter striker. I would know every move they would make. I could potentially knock them out in less than 10 seconds.

If someone shoots me in the head then my past self will see the vision of it happening. I would simply prepare and avoid the shot. This is what Chris did. No need for a note.

Now for an H-bomb (where I can't escape in 2 minutes time) then I (the version who sees me dying 2 minutes from now) can write a note of what happens at 8:02pm (the moment the bomb explodes). The note will read, "An H-bomb explodes on me while I'm in Toms dinner at 8:02pm. Please copy this note if the time is after 7:30am.

The 7:58pm self sees the vision of the 8:00pm self writing the note and he decides to write the note. The 7:56pm sees the vision of the 7:58pm self writing the note and he decides to write the note. This goes on and on until 7:30am.

The 7:30am self do not write the note. When that happens that would mean no one actually wrote the note since there is no longer a need to. I simply use the 12.5 hours warning to either leave the city or try to find the bomb.

Show proof, like an explanation or example from the movie where his powers work like this.

Also, he has to activate the power(we see him do this multiple times). It's not always on. So if you're not actively using it, it's worthless.

Originally posted by h1a8
You can do things with Next ability you can't with NZT. It's not inferior but different. NZT is better for humanity and Next is better for selfish reasons.

The applications of what you could do with the NZT are much broader than what you could do with the Next ability. Whether you want to use it for personal gain or to help people..you could just accomplish a lot more with the pill.

Can you not really figure out how NZT could be used for selfish reasons? It wouldn't be difficult to become insanely rich with it.

Plus to be honest..I feel you're thinking quite small when you talk about using the next ability to succeed in Martial Arts. You could literally change the world with the pill.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now for an H-bomb (where I can't escape in 2 minutes time) then I (the version who sees me dying 2 minutes from now) can write a note of what happens at 8:02pm (the moment the bomb explodes). The note will read, "An H-bomb explodes on me while I'm in Toms dinner at 8:02pm. Please copy this note if the time is after 7:30am.

Well okay, even if that did work..why would you even point this out? In your amazing career as a UFC fighter do you foresee yourself being in a lot of situations where you are going to get caught up in the explosion of a nuke?

I won't even get into the fact that you wouldn't just need to escape the explosion, but to escape from the radiation as well. I can't even see how you could possibly think you could escape from a nuclear blast with only 2 minutes of warning. I mean you're talking about something happening at 8:02 pm and you are somehow potentially finding out about this as early as 7:30am which is over 12 hours earlier. Even if you meant 7:30pm that is still 30 minutes prior, not 2.