sex scene in matrix reloaded

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alaba
guys, what do you think? i think the sex scene just kinda spolied the whole matrix feel dont you think? i think it was a little too elongated and to me it killed the feel........................ sad

BEST TRINITY
I really like that scene it makes me got red. If you look at the faces of the ONE and TRINITY men it was great!!! its was really romantic

alaba
What if in the sex scene, trinity got pregnant and their baby is THE ONE? there's got to be something about the long sex scene.......................

jimbo3
Or... some of Neo rubbed onto Trinity just like with Agent Smith. But I doubt it.

alaba
there could be a possibility. remeber neo told her he needs her and maybe in revolutions, she would discover her new strenghts and would have to combine her strenght with neos to fight evil...

BEST TRINITY
Yeah!!! its maybe possible!!!!!!!

Tex
Yeah, the sexuality in Reloaded really spoiled The Matrix feel.

The W...ski bros just wanted to get more horny teenagers into the theater.

It was uncalled for in my opinion. I dont like movies that blantantly throw in sexuality ju$t for the hell of it.

GordonSkywalker
Neither do I.

alaba
TEX, you is da bomb..i TOTALLY agree with you. i think i would have totally loved the movie if those scenes werent there.they kind of killed the innocence of the whole matrix feel. wish i could have a dvd version where those scenes were scrapped. i think they wanted to show us the emotional shenanigans between neo and trinity but i think they overdid it..

alaba
i agree too gord..

GordonSkywalker
Then we are in agreement gentlemen.

Tevesh
While i'll agree that they didn't have to make the sex scenes to gratuitous (sp?) i think they needed to be there. the whole reason thw wachowski bros. put the sex scenes in there is because they wanted to show that these are actually humans. not humans trying to be machines to defeat the machines. sexuality is the one thing machines cannot do. they reproduce in factories.

But I do agree that they could have done it a bit more subtly

GordonSkywalker
A lot more subtle.

BEST TRINITY
I just loved this part its make me belive its me with HIM, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

GordonSkywalker
Strange conversation. So was this...scene that vital a part of the movie?

Tex
The gratuity of the sexuality in the movie isn't what bothers me. I like a good sex scene now and then. Problem is, action movies like Reloaded would be so much better without overt sexuality. There's a 400% increase in the sexual nature compared to the original Matrix. It makes Reloaded seen like a Bruckheimer/Michael Bay movie. stick out tongue

GordonSkywalker
So why do you think they put more into this one then? To attract more guys and girls or what?

Tex
Horny Teenager$ are the target market.

GordonSkywalker
{Ahh I see.....}

Tevesh
not to attract horny teenagers, it's 'R'...they did it because of the reasons i mentioned before and perhaps they've always wanted to have an orgy scene that wasn't NC-17?

It wasn't really important to the rest of the movie, but it shows that Zion is a human city and people do human things there, i guess.

GordonSkywalker
I will take your word for it as you have obviously seen it and I have not. Nor will I.

abraomas
neo and trinity and babesmile this babe is a one ...

The Omega
Gratuitous sex? In Matrix Reloaded? Ah, come on, good people. I suppose next will come a thread about the “orgy” in the cave, which was nothing but the Zion-population having a last party before the final war.
And to attract horny teenagers when the movie is rated “R”, and you’d have no way of knowing the scene was happening before stepping into the movie?
I must say I enjoyed it as much of the rest of the movie. It shows very human aspects of our otherwise kick-ass leather-clad heroes and heroines, and how deep the love between Neo and Trinity is.
There is no “sex” in M1, but anyone telling me the Matrix outfits are not sexy need to have their eyes checked. And as to the baby-blah. It is perfectly possible for humans to have sex without it resulting in a baby. Neo and Trinity were not trying to procreate the species. They are in love!

alaba
sure omega..we are aware that they are simply in love and they had sex but do the brothers really have to overemphasize the whole thing? a kiss is just more than enough..

The Omega
Alaba> No one complains about violence in movies (including this signature). No one complains about the action-scenes being overdone to emphasise a thing.
I thought the love-scene between Neo and Trinity was quite beautiful and not overdone what so ever. It showed us how deeply in love Neo and Trinity are. Something which is such an important theme, that Neo chooses Trinity over Zion (at least in theory) in the end.
If anything is overemphasized it is the use of CGI-scripts in the battle between Neo and Smith. I don’t mind that either, but it doesn’t further the plot that the fight is very long. big grin

GordonSkywalker
I complain about violence and sex in movies. And what you just said is nonsense.

The Omega
Gordonskywalker> Ah, forgive me. I didn’t notice you complained about the violence in the Matrix movies. And what I said is not nonsense. If you don’t understand it, please have the courtesy to explain what part, so us with English as a second language can clarify a point, or to explain your opinion.

Tex
I've complained about thatstick out tongue

GordonSkywalker
Sex is not necessary in movies even if it is to demonstrate the love two main characters feel for each other. I disagree as is my right. That is the part I was making noise about.

BEST TRINITY
For those who said in other chats that the oracle planted the seed of love in trin and neo . The love scene makes more real the love between them. So u see even is the seed was planted>>THEY REALLY LOVE EACH OTHER. So u see it has to be this way. Personaly i really liked this scene .

GordonSkywalker
I stand by my convictions. Nothing personal to anyone here who likes that sort of thing. It is all strictly business.

The Omega
Tex> Oh, hush. You’re ruining my point ;D

GordonSkywalker> Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. One thing is I don’t object to the scene, but my initial objection is to call it gratuitous. Or overdone.
Another thing is calling my arguments nonsense. That is not simply business.

GordonSkywalker
|A word of advice-Do not take everything anyone here says so personally. There are others here who are not as kind as I am.|

The Omega
GordonSkywalker> Nothing personal. I love a good argument anytime. It’s just damn hard to discuss anything when there are no arguments.

GordonSkywalker
Nothing personal. I just do not care for such things.

alaba
omega, first of all don't take this personal, and second, yeah the brothers want us to know those two are deeply in love but hey, we are not dumb..it doesnt take an overconcentrated scene to explain to us that those two are truly in love..imean, look at tom hanks and meg ryan in seapless in seattle, they didnt have to pull their pants and skirts to show us they were in love? unless the brothers actually made the film for the mentally retarded and had to go all that lenght to explain a point. unproffessional dont you think?

GordonSkywalker
I agree there are better ways to get the point across than two people stripping and hanging all over each other. That is disgusting to me and I surely cannot be the only one who feels that way.

Icharus
Excuse me but I see no problem - how can it be digusting? It's the way the world works. You will have sex someday (maybe...) get it intoo your head - PEOPLE HAVE SEX!!! And say you actually had a girlfriend - would you say a game of tonsil tennis is more romantic then making love? This film is not a cheap porno movie - did you see any 'unnecessary' parts of either Trinity or Neo?

........no?? Then SHUT UP!

alaba
icharus, we all know people have sex but hey do you understand what we've been disscusing? it didnt have to be that elaborated. a little bit of kising and maybe a ten second scene would have done it.

BEST TRINITY
I think the scene was GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

The Omega
Yo, Alaba, why is it that people think disagreeing equals taking stuff personal? So we don’t all see eye to eye. Fine, would be pretty darn horrible if we all did. I just have this strange idea that a forum is a place where people DISCUSS things. You know “well, I think this is the case, because so and so.”
Not just “You suck”. That basically boils down to “I disagree, but can’t really say why.”
The scene isn’t overdone. It is part of the movie, and as much a needed part as extended car-chases, kung-fu fighting and running around on walls.
The real world is about being human. Why do we need an extended show-down between Smith and Neo when 10 seconds and a little brawl would have sufficed? Hey, why not just leave out the car-chase? Morpheus, Trinity and Neo could’ve just escaped with the Keymaker without any trouble.
Both Keanu and Carrie are beautiful people. Sure, they’re naked, but you don’t even see any “nasty” “evil” parts of their body. You see their faces. It was beautiful and subtle.
That’s the point we’re trying to get across.

alaba
omega, it is pretty obvious that you do not know what you're saying. if you can take the time to back up on the forum and read your own messages, you would see that you started with the 'taking shit personal' thingy, i didnt. yeah you're right a 'forum is a place where PEOPLE discuss things' and what gives you a tiny bit of impression that you fit into 'the' people? if you like sex scenes and porn which i have figured you do, try a porn movie forum or whatever( you should know), and one more thing, you dont wanna get personal with me...trust me!

The Omega
Yeah, well, Alaba. WHATever. Who’s taking stuff personal now? Wipe your eyes. It's only a forum.

alaba
i thought you would have known that it's a forum..and the only crying i'm doing is for you chickening out! i love a good challenge.......OOHHHHHHHHH YYYEEAAHHHH....

BEST TRINITY
whats the matter with that beautiful scene i really really LIKED

The Omega
Absolutely nothing, BT. Nothing. What so ever.

DreamsinFire
Ok I think they shouldn't of had it. It pretty much killed (for a time) the philosophical overtones of the movie. Here it is going all serious, then the next moment they turn it into a large orgasm party. Fairly sad. I think they did it just because it had an R rating and they could "get away with it." It didn't have to be in the movie at all, everyone already knows Trinity loves Neo.


to equate sex with love is rediculous

alaba
true that, dreams infire

Ushgarak
I thought it was a great scene. Very powerful.

BEST TRINITY
yeah i really think that too it was necessary coz in M1 bothing ocered. So they had to put it in M2...and its the only sex scene in both movies

GordonSkywalker
||I see we have a long way to go. Several cooments made here are way too agressive. I have not even seen the scene in question so I do not know what was shown and what was left to our collective imagination.||

BEST TRINITY
So go a see it for your self and then u can tell us about ur opinion

GordonSkywalker
||Perhaps.||

Ushgarak
And alaba- cool down on that attitude.

GordonSkywalker
||This is a friendly forum after all.||

BEST TRINITY
yes its a friendly forum at all

GordonSkywalker
||Really though-what is the big deal with this scene?||

BEST TRINITY
i dont know

GordonSkywalker
||I don't think the scene was necessary.||

The Omega
Usgarak> Good phrase. ”Very powerful”. Indeed.

GordonSkywalker> I really recommend a visit to the movies then. As Ushgarak says, very powerful. It happens right after a strong speech given by Morpheus to all of Zion, while the last humans have a last-stand dance and ends with a plunge into despair at a nightmarish vision. From love to death.

alaba
sorry guys..my bad!

GordonSkywalker
Do not apologise my friend.....it is seen as a sign of weakness around here. I still remain opposed to this topic and now go on record as saying so.

BEST TRINITY
Hey its glad u fixed it, well im the one that thinks that scenes was very important, you'll c why in M3

GordonSkywalker
Who cares? Big Whoop!

alaba
no gord..i simply apologised for losing my hedge..i still stand on it that the scene is crap and unproffesional...

omgiluvdamatrix
I agree with Tevesh, I think it showed that humans aren't machines.
But I do reckon it went on for a bit too long and it kinda didn't fit in with the whole feel of the movie.

GordonSkywalker
Yes I agree with the both of you dudes.

Seraph
the scene is important for the story to understand that neo finally saved trinity instead off all humans.

GordonSkywalker
If you say so. I have not seen it.

BEST TRINITY
Yes that was really True Love, thats way they put it there in the movie. That was the best scene.

GordonSkywalker
OK OK I retract any earlier comments I may have had about the scene. I was led to believe it was full frontal nudity everyone was talking about here. If instead it only had their faces then maybe but I do not know.

BEST TRINITY
Yes good im glad ur opinion changed know u r cool

GordonSkywalker
Thanks. I am more understanding of it now then I was.

BEST TRINITY
See

GordonSkywalker
Yes.

BEST TRINITY
What???

GordonSkywalker
I was agreeing with you Trinity.

alaba
yeah but, we are smart arent we? it doesnt take a sex scene to prove that two people are in love now does it? i mean this is something we should have figured out ourselves...i mean if we can figure out all these great and intelligent stuff about the matrix world, then they don't have to go through all that lenght to prove a point....it's really downgrading.

happy kine
i thought the people grinding on each other showed that we still are human and have animal desires. the most basic instinct is to... get it on!

BEST TRINITY
Yes i think thats the most powerfull characteristics that describe us (pasion)

GordonSkywalker
Passion. I see what you mean.

GordonSkywalker
Actually now I have had time to think about it...I have changed my mind. I don't like it at all.

jarrowwx
Here's my theory...

First...the sex scene served one purpose: To build up the idea that Neo REALLY loves Trinity... They are CLOSE. That is to set up for the final decision that Neo is faced with. It is WHY the choice has already been made, he just needs to understand it...

And the rest of the party scene, well, I think that was to convey a message, too. I just think it went over most people's heads. You have to realize more in order to understand it. You have to see it in light of the end to understand this part...

Here are all the people in Zion, complacently basking in hedonism. It's no "zion" at all. That is YET ANOTHER hint that the city of Zion isn't what it is made out to be. But to understand that, you would have to know a thing or two about the 'mythological' zion. So if this "zion" is nothing like the mythical "zion" then perhaps this "real world" is not really the real world...

But that is a topic for another thread dedicated to the subject. smile

GordonSkywalker
I maintain my disgust at having a scene like that just to demonstrate their alleged love for each other. Just because two people do the deed does not mean they truly are in love. It is a more physical thing these days I am afraid. So I must disagree.

omgiluvdamatrix
I think the fact that it only showed their faces, makes it beautiful, not disgusting.
Yeah, it did go on for a bit too long, but it still needed to be there.

GordonSkywalker
This is getting absurd. Does the scene show anything more than their faces or not? Either way it does not matter as I am not interested in seeing the movies one bit. To each his(or her) own.

alaba
i agree gord...it doesnt take sex to prove love now is it? these days it's all about the physical...so what the brothers are saying is having sex with a whore automatically means you're in love with her?

alaba
h ha ha........

mah
so why are you posting comments on every post in this thread, if you do not care about the topic?


Anyways, it has to be said that the orgasm-cake was the best part of the film. fabulous!

GordonSkywalker
Now that is disgusting.

GordonSkywalker
That is what I have been trying to say here! People sure are perverted to get a thrill out of watching something like that. Sickening.

mah
why is it sickening?

GordonSkywalker
Think about what you just said in an earlier post and I am sure it will come to you mah.

mah
no. sex is a natural thing, I fail to see the sickening part of it.

GordonSkywalker
There is far more to a relationship and loving some one than doing the deed. I am so sorry you do not understand this simple fact. Movies like these twist us into thinking sex is the most important aspect in a relationship. That is an incorrect assumption.

IJWTL
But the sex scene is not the only relationship scene concerning them. The movie also shows Neo getting upset when he dreams of Trinity's death. It shows him choosing to save Trinity, rather than Zion. And there are other references about their relationship. The scene is also shown with the rave scene. Neo and Trinity are alone, not part of the crowd. Sending a message of monogamy and commitment, as opposed to what is going on a the party.

Then, there is also the who savior, messiah, god, "One" theme. Their union under an arch is a traditional sign of divinity. From corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm - add a www to the front:

>Neo and Trinity are shown making love beneath an arch. In religious
>iconography, being shown beneath an arch is a traditional sign of
>divinity. Masaccio's fresco at the right, for instance, shows the Holy
>Trinity beneath an arch.

>Neo and Trinity's kissy-face is cut in with the public-lewdness-in-a-
>cave of the decieved Zionites. The real meaning of the overlong rave
>scene is to contrast sacred and profane love.

The reason these movies are so good is that the work on so many levels action, romance, religion, philosophy, etc.

alaba
the programed cake was about orgasm? i thought it meant she farted...

GordonSkywalker
Doesn't matter guys, even if there was just the two of them it still doesn't make it right. Two people should be able to love ach other without the physical taking over the entire relationship.

Ushgarak
But to try and REMOVE the physical from the importance of a relationship is as flawed as thinking it is the only important thing.

The scene was perfectly valid in its own right.

Evy_O
I liked that scene. In fact that one and the multiple Smith were the only two I liked. The dance was cool... The only thing that was disgusting was that black dots on Neo's and Trinity's bodies... *sigh*

And IMO you have to have sex with somebody before you say you're in love... cool IMO, always.
But again, what do I know, I'm only 16 years old... roll eyes (sarcastic)

alaba
you guys still don't understand my point and gordon's. yes the sex may be necessary but tell me, if it wasnt included, wouldnt we still know they are in love? it's not about showing us how they feel for each other and all that, but we are talking about such scene in such a movie..it just doesnt fit in. the moment the party/sex sscene started, it killed all the juice i had for the movie.......it just wasnt necessary......

Ushgarak
But it still had valid power behind it. Not EVERY scene in a film is 100% necessary but that does not mean it doesn't enhance the film. I understood what you said just fine, thanks. Like I said, the scene is VALID. I didn't say it was essential.

IJWTL
I agree.

Another part of the it is that we are watching a movie.
How do you show love between two people in a movie. One seen alone doesn't do it. You need to do several things. Show them kiss, hold hands, sad that one has gone away, getting upset when something bad happens to the other. Etc.

Just like building suspense. Show a man walk into a room and shoot someone - there is no suspense. But, show him clean a gun and put it in his pocket. Then he starts spying on someone. He starts to follow the other person. First in a car, then on foot. He steps right up to the victim, puts his hand in his pocket, pulls out the gun, puts it into the small of his victims back and....there you have suspense.

alaba
evy, you're damn right about what you know and what you dont know...it doesnt take sex to prove love..sex is a form of knowing..it means you know more than that person than meets the eye...you don't fall for everyone you've had sex with do you?( er..have you?)

Evy_O
A movie has to include everything. Even sex.

Edit: Not that I should say that, but I haven't had sex yet. So I can't tell. But I do believe that, to say you're in love with someone you have to "match" in every aspect of your life. And that includes sex. I'd never fall in love with someone I haven't had sex with. And I haven't been in love yet, so that proves something... (Ok, ignore my sig! stick out tongue )

alaba
evy, trust me..it doesnt...

The Serpent
Good point.

Or you could say … was it necessary to show Neo’s ass for us to know they were in Love?

It seemed like nudity for the sake of an R-rating, but not to make an actual point or further the plot.



I also thought the whole rave scene was overdone.

Perhaps they (the Wachowski brothers) were trying to widen the appeal to the 20-something rave crowd?

But I think more likely they were just trying to establish Zion as a “real” place with “real people.

It seemed rather phony to me personally though. In my humble opinion both the rave scene and the sex scene could have been largely edited out without negatively affecting the overall quality of the film.

happy kine
hey sex is sex, you don't need love... that being said the sex scene was perfect, the machines don't have sex, animals do. we are after all animals. I thought the scene was a good repersentation of the animal instinct that seperates from the machines.
i find the people that didn't like the sex scenes are uncomfortable with sex... for the most part, of course.

Evy_O
Well, then explain that:
You meet someone, you say you're in love with him/her and then you have sex. And... nothing. Boring. No pleasure.
Would you still stay in love with him/her?
IMO, there *has* to be sexual chemistry.

Completely off topic, sorry... embarrasment

Ushgarak
The scene was NOT sex for its own sake. It was way short of that, whiuch is why I think it was valid as it showed a lot of power and emotion.

Saying you do not HAVE to show sex does not mean you should NEVER show sex. I think this scene was tasteful and entirely justifiable. And it should not be shied away from.

alaba
y'all still havent answered my question... do you fall in love with everyone you have sex with? y'all are saying it liken it's automatic..you have sex, then you fall in love...i still stand that it's wrong...and EVY, 99% of those who have started a relationship with sex, have split..it usually never lasts. what you call love, is pure desire for the other person's body, and thats it. love comes from the heart, pleasure from the ohysical and there's a great difference between the two.
this is getting out of context....but DAMN... showing neo's ass kinda removed the 'one' feel from it all...DAMN....

The Serpent
Evy, suppose someone was married for 20+ years and then their spouse became ill, or was injured and could no longer have sex … should the sex-able spouse dump the non-sex-able spouse because they can no longer have sex?

I agree with alaba:

Sex <> Love



Trinity’s boob on the other hand … hehe … wink

alaba
totally agree serpent..YOU'RE THE MAN...(er...snake)!

Stovenutts
I think the only reason they put the sex scene inthere is to show that neo had a love not just for mankind but a specific person in mankind.This was the reason that neo chose the door on the right to go back and save trinity.

Stovenutts
but, yea it does ruin the feeling

trav6612
I think the sex scene could have been less graphic to show the love, but who knows it could play apart in the next film. Maybe Trinity gets pregnant or something. I agree with Stovenutts, it was put in to show the link between Trinity and Neo, but yes, it could have been shown a little differently.

Captain REX
I thought it was boring. And that rave music and the cave... sick

omgiluvdamatrix
What is the point of this discussion anyway?
Everyone has their own views, and no ones changed their point of view yet.......

Evy_O
alaba- Nah, I didn't say you have to fall in love with every guy you have sex with. I said you can't fall in love with someone unless you have slept together. Or better, you may fall in love with someone but then prove they're not what you expected.

Serpent: That's a totally different thing. You're talking about an already built relationship. They already have feelings for each other. They have already have sex. I'm talking about a new couple, that hasn't had sex yet.

No point of the discussion, but I believe we shouldn't be narrow-minded and say: I have my own view, I'm not changing it.

alaba
evy, your strenght in this forum lies in making a point and sticking by it, and also finding believers to back you up, so it's not about being narrow minded...
sex DOES not tell you you're in love..it only makes you more attracted to your partner and true love is way stronger than attraction. sex does not define love, it is only a means of knowing. neo HAD

alaba
..DIDNT FINISH THAT..

alaba
...(kept pressing the damn shift button) as i was saying, neo had fallen for trinity way before they had sex. it was just a process of knowing themselves even more. now picture this..can you imagine in a superman movie, supes having sex with louis lane? i mean a lenghty scene as in the reloaded? you know the director could include that scene to prove to us that aliens too could get their freak on? just think how that sounds? it kills the immortality of the man of steel feel. so that's how it is here...the scene completely murdered the whole movie.

Nickydirtrider
i think that the sex scenes were pretty cool, because it shows the love between them two, i believe that all of the scenes are in their because it is going to explain something that happens in revolutions
we can only wait and see.....

Jackal
to be concluded... that is the end of M2. I believe none of you know the conclusion which is only available in M3. So why you all try to conclude M2?

Evy_O
Alaba, that I gave the definition of friendly debate. I did *not* imply you're narrow-minded or something, and I believe we're saying the same thing here...

Anyway, back on topic. It seems that we have different views. I didn't like the whole movie, I liked these two particular scenes. You think the opposite. That's a matter of taste. To me, the movie was destroyed by other things, like the boring philosophical discussions.
Also, you still haven't uderstood what I mean. I'm saying you might fall in love with someone before you've had sex (though that doesn't happen often) but then you might not match there. So, I (and I'm talking for myself) would not fall for someone until I've known him a long time and have had sex with him.
Your views approach the matter in a more romantic way. So I think that has to do with your character as well. I'm not that romantic, so my views are somewhat more cynical and realistic. It won't change.
Btw, are you male or female?

The Omega
IJWTL> Well said. I’m usually not a big fan of prolonged sexuality in movies. But I enjoyed the scene in Reloaded, as I did see it as more than that. As you say, what’s so enjoyable about the Matrix Movies is the many levels they work on. They’re “pure” in the sense that no matter where you go, you’ll find references to classic storytelling.

So, does sex equal love? No. No one here claims that. Is sex part of the love between man and woman. Yes. PART OF being the main issue here. I liked the rave-scene, and the love-making scene since it portrayed humans being humans. And it is a great contrast to the over-killer cool looks and attitudes IN the Matrix.
A quote being used many times in Reloaded in reference to Neo
“He is still only human.”
The elevator scene, where Neo and Trinity are finally alone, the worshippers, the kid, the entire having to sneak away, portrays a purity in the love between Neo and Trinity which also contrasts the usual feel in cyber-punkish movies and books. They don’t go around smooching and holding hands 24/7.

trav6612
I'll agree with you there, the way the love scene was portrayed was much better than alot of other movies have done.

jganz
i am not gonna sit here and lie to ya, the plug dealies down their spine creep me out a bit, but its ok i can handle it.

zameal999@yahoo
i thought the sex scene in matrix reloaded was fine for the reason of it. it was a tribal and primal kind of situation with the tribal dancing in the court yard the movie although very high tech in so many ways. is still so very much about human conciouness at its core. if the tribal dancing was not happening durring the sex scene the point would have been lost. by the way anyone hear of the fourth movie that has been eluded to called matrix forever

alaba
EVY, pardon me but but i didnt mean to personalise the whole thing..everyone has their views and if you say you're more cynical and realistic, then so be it. i respect you for that.
and if you must know, i'm male...

saleh
wink Hey, i totally agree with you all, that the sex scene could have been more subtle, i mean it resculputred the theme of the whole movie which was an extraordinary,action packed cyber thriller.Suddenly when NEO met trintity at the cave ,he goes i need uX" iMISSED u...trinity " ohh ican tell and i will enventually have to prove it come with me...then the DANCE engulfes the night and suddenly FROM FAR this explicit seen gets focus ---closer and closer over and OVER AGAIN i just coudnt bare it it was damn long ya'll and KEANU KEPT pushing and driving TRINITY to her climax--until the obvious and it was soo over and NEO remembers trinity falling --i mean ok the guy new he is going to LOSE trinity eventually so he wanted to give a sex she would never forget in hell, heaven or in between the matrix.Ok but still it was just DAMN LOOOOOOOOOONG here like until u become ashamed of what u expected the movie to be and what u can no longer watch with family and relatives because of that scene- it was necessary but shoulnt have been THAT long now cumon.i mean i hope they would have an edited version where they just SHOW the dancing all the way...that was FUNTASTIC cool

alaba
you're the man saleh....

A.T.
Well, what can I say. It seems to be the most important subject ever. If a movie doesn't have that kind of scenes it's not good, it has no value. In this case, I guess it shouldn't be given too much attention. (my opinion, don't hit me). It's just a secondary aspect, something to remind our origins. From my point of view the essence of the movie is way more subtle, more spiritual.

saleh
i agree AT its natural and SPIRITUALLL yes indeed BUT the LENGTH of that essence and i personally agree and i actually enjoyed when the scene commenced but the the intimacy within i mean U ALMOST THOUGHT u could see NEO's COQ there he really proved to be the ONE but perhaps he OVERDID and exxagerated that goes even for the W...SKI bros... BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS A MAGNIFICENT CREATION and MANIPULATION OF EVERY ELEMENT of ACTION-THRILL and out of this world accelerated fighting sequences!!greatest film ever made in MY OPINION well all credit to the W..SKI bros and the only EVENT that can replacce this one is the next sequel REVOULTIONS.HEY did u hear about a proposition to MAKE MATRIX FOREVER by the W>>SKI bros 2 years from now please tell me about it if u know anything..!

Evy_O
Oh, ok.
Me neither, didn't want to personalise it. Anyways, I suppose it's plainly a character matter stick out tongue

skittles546
the sex scene was just a part of da movie, something to spice things up, to show the reality of thr real world and humankind

Kes
Maybe they just wanted to kinda give a glinpse of Neo being deflower or what ever you call it! You now when he left the matrix he was a virgin, they all where! lol

alaba
evy, friends again?

Raz
I very much doubt it was the first time they "done it".

Kes
Yeh I didn't mean it was the 1st, just that all we saw in the 1st one was a kiss! don't really now how to explain myself.Just forget it. wink embarrasment confused

Evy_O
Sure, of course smile smile smile

Twin1.2
considering what the wachowski bros. have created I dont think that they would make a mistake like that, I think the sex scene could have something to do with a child in revolutions

or maybe they screwed up

Kes
Yeh it probably has somesort of meaning but still that doesn't make it necessary to be big, that didn't even need to show it but I don't think it ruined the movie in anyway. was surprised to see it considering the rating! probably gonne surprise lots of parents!

svicic
I thought it was amazing-ok it might have been SLIGHTLY unnecessary but it added to the whole "love thing" between Neo and Trinity.GOD he's fit!(I would add in a quote cos I just saw it for the second time but that might be slightly sad....!)The music in that scene is also really good and for those of us who can't wait to fall in love and have a crush on Keanu, it truly was amazing! I thought it was amazing how they were so in Love and that made Neo different to all the other "Ones"-anyone else agree or am I loner?!

Kes
Iagree with the fact that it does make Neo different from the others and thats the key. cool

snazzypants
svicic i totally disagree with you, the sex scene was TOTALLY over the top. i just saw it today and i thought it ruined a potentially romantic scene... what with all that sweat and boobs flashing up all over the shop i felt sick... AND i fancy keanu reeves too!!

Kes
the plugs are kinda freaky! roll eyes (sarcastic)

alaba
you guys talking about a neo and trinity having a baby in revolutions think this, the whole movie ends in 24 hrs....i never heard about any form of technology in the movie about making babies in 24 hrs....

Kes
Not a baby but made some part of neo rubes (sp) into Trinity. she could already be pregnant of course no baby will come of that either but maybe just knowing that she is could cause another evolution in neo.

Kes
i'm not saing that she is, just an idea.

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