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Battle takes place on Lothal.

Fisto wins

Kit comfortably

Fisto.

Kas'im.

Fisto has a poor style for one-on-one duels. Kas'im would recognise that and exploit it.

Hasn't seemed to affect him so far :/

Kas'im's encyclopedic knowledge on Shii-Cho and mastery of Makashi would at least make it a good fight.

Kas'im slaughters in him sabers. Fisto probably wins in the force.

How does Kas'im slaughter him in sabers? Lmfao

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
How does Kas'im slaughter him in sabers? Lmfao

Being a master of all 7 lightsaber forms generally does the trick. How does Fisto beat Kas'im in sabers? "lmfao".

So mastering some forms automatically just means a stomp. Yeah mate

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
So mastering some forms automatically just means a stomp. Yeah mate

Yes, mastering ALL, not SOME, forms means a stomp. Notice how you haven't provided anything resembling an argument for why fisto would win. That's that

Then I have no idea why you would think Kun is more than a match for Sidious in sabers when the latter is a master of all 7 forms and the former is not.

Pretty shit logic there, my friend.

Originally posted by Trocity
Then I have no idea why you would think Kun is more than a match for Sidious in sabers when the latter is a master of all 7 forms and the former is not.

Pretty shit logic there, my friend.

Because Kun is also a saber prodigy who is a master of form Sidious has never seen. That's a far cry from Kas'im's saber mastery compared to Fisto's mediocrity. Pretty spot on logic I think, just a terrible comparison from you.

Umm maybe because Fisto has better feats than being owned by POD Bane, better accolades...

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Umm maybe because Fisto has better feats than being owned by POD Bane, better accolades...

Wonderful, so you have absolutely nothing. Understood

Has the potential to be a decent fight. But Kasim could simply switch to Makashi and end it there.

Not sure if speed makes any difference?

Raping General Grievous, managing to somewhat contend with Asajj Ventress despite her having knowledge of his style and Makashi being a perfect counter to Shii-Cho, curbing AOTC Kenobi in sparring etc.
Kas'im being 'the best in the brotherhood' who are almost all below TCW Ashoka level is nothing when Mace and Obi-Wan regard Fisto as among the best the order has ever seen.

Nice assumption.

So nothing that would put Fisto on the level of one of the greatest swordsman in the mythos? Good to know.

Nah, it was pretty much just shit logic, I'm afraid.

Either way, leaning Kas.

Greatest swordsman in the Mythos? Because POD Bane said so...?

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Nice assumption.

So nothing that would put Fisto on the level of one of the greatest swordsman in the mythos? Good to know.

So you tell me then. Where are the brotherhood in terms of skill?

Ching's right tbh.

losing to straight up kids in NSW...

He was the best of the best. Bane was a saber prodigy and he was beaten. Remind me who fisto beat of note? AOTC Obiwan in a training battle? Lol.

Saber prodigy eh? and Bane won last time I checked. Kas'im pulled out two sabers, something Bane was not familiar with and still lost

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Saber prodigy eh? and Bane won last time I checked. Kas'im pulled out two sabers, something Bane was not familiar with and still lost

Yes. Kas'im pulled out something Bane was familiar with, Bane admitted he was beaten (as per the novel), and used the force. Not to mention, the novel explicitly states that Bane was ONLY able to keep up due to his force powers.

He pulled out something Bane was unfamiliar with, because in a contest of sheer skill, Bane was winning. The novel doesn't state anything about Bane "only being able to keep up due to the Force", it states that Kas'im was outmatched because Bane was too strong in the Force. Ergo, Bane was better. Kas'im had to resort to unorthodoxy to gain the upper hand. After that, yes, Bane was losing and needed to gather Force energy during Kas'im's speech to knock down the Temple on Kas'im in order to win.

Someone get the novel. It states that Bane was keeping up because of his force abilities. Kas'im preached to him throughout the book that one with force talent could always defeat one who is superior in saber combat. That fight was the manifestation of that teaching. Kas'im was being backed up due to Bane's force connection. Kas'im changed tactics and force Bane to improvise. Bane WAS losing.

And Fisto takes force so what's your point?
Kenobi, Grievous and Ventress are all well above any of the brotherhood fodder in skill...

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
And Fisto takes force so what's your point?
Kenobi, Grievous and Ventress are all well above any of the brotherhood fodder in skill...

Prove it.
I never argued about Fisto taking force.
Also lol@ Grievous and Ventress being above brotherhood fodder. That's cute.

Are you kidding me? You think ****in Sirak is gonna take Grievous
You reckon Githany would pwn Kenobi?
Hehe this shit is actually funny

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Are you kidding me? You think ****in Sirak is gonna take Grievous
You reckon Githany would pwn Kenobi?
Hehe this shit is actually funny

Yea it's hysterical. I think the likes of Kas'im and Bane would own the aforementioned without much difficulty.

I'm talking about the people Kas'im has defeated, why defeating the brotherhood isn't that impressive. Kas'im > Grievous you reckon? Lmfao

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
I'm talking about the people Kas'im has defeated, why defeating the brotherhood isn't that impressive. Kas'im > Grievous you reckon? Lmfao

Yea most people that aren't braindead would reckon that, lmfao

I'm done with KMC.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
I'm done with KMC.

Rofl. Ok you win, you comedian you.

Please, tell anyone with a brain on KMC that Kas'im > Grievous and you'll die

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Please, tell anyone with a brain on KMC that Kas'im > Grievous and you'll die

I thought you were done with KMC? That is the mother of all overreactions. Bravo.

Stalemating Windu > Losing to pre-prime Bane
Grievous has better speed feats, strength feats and more jedi kills to his name.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Someone get the novel. It states that Bane was keeping up because of his force abilities. Kas'im preached to him throughout the book that one with force talent could always defeat one who is superior in saber combat. That fight was the manifestation of that teaching. Kas'im was being backed up due to Bane's force connection. Kas'im changed tactics and force Bane to improvise. Bane WAS losing.

I have the novel and I'm practically citing it, lol. Bane was too strong in the Force, hence Kas'im was losing. This is when they are both using styles that the other is familiar with - no tricks. After this, Kas'im uses Jar'kai Ataru, which Bane doesn't know anything about, and exploits its unpredictability and Bane's lack of knowledge to drive the latter back (with him still knowing Bane's style inside-out). Bane was winning until Kas'im reverted to a form that Bane didn't know of and couldn't counter. So with respects to technical skill, Kas'im was better. Sheer combative ability? Bane was winning.

And no, Kas'im told Bane the opposite of what you said - that someone skilled with a blade can defeat someone stronger in the Force.

More Jedi kills to his name is about all he has. He doesn't hold a candle to Bane or Kas'im.


That's what I said lol. Bane wasn't winning a saber battle, he was winning a force battle during saber combat.


Please provide quotes since you have the novel.

Fisto wins, yeah.

MS, so you reckon Kas'im and POD Bane could take Mace?

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
MS, so you reckon Kas'im and POD Bane could take Mace?

Uh, yea lol. I'd argue they stand a reasonable chance (at least Kas'im does in sabers) by themselves. It's overkill adding both.

Sunrazer you're right. He says someone well trained in saber combat can defeat one better in the force.

I didn't mean both at a time you ****.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
I didn't mean both at a time you ****.



Lol

Poor wording. You still think they have a chance individually right? Why don't you say that shit to Nova...

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Poor wording. You still think they have a chance individually right? Why don't you say that shit to Nova...

Wtf are you talking about? Why would I say anything to Nova? Were we in the middle of a discussion? You're a mess. It's been fun.

Mace defeating Palpatine is far beyond anything Bane and Kas'im have done. Windu has Vaapad (something Bane and Kas'im no nothing about) plus dark side channeling and shatterpoint. Several quotes putting him in the same league as Yoda who is laughably above the other two, should be enough.

Fisto probably wins despite Kas'im's mastery of all forms. He's just too much of an unknown for me to be fully convinced he can take down someone as skilful as Kit.

Kas'Im would be stomped by Windu. He's - at best, which I personally doubt - at the same level as Fisto. Even if he will beat Kit, it will be the hardest fight he ever had.
But it's much more possible in my opinion, that Kit would be him with medium or high difficulty.

Fisto.

Kas'im would leave Fisto's smiling severed head sprawled out across the ground like a dead squid.

Fisto has been recognized by his contemporaries as one of the greatest duelists in the Order's history.

Kas'im...is the best duelist in the weakest sith order of all time, whose best feat is almost not dying against a trainee Bane.

As for Kas'im having mastered all forms, so had all the Jedi Order's blademasters, many of who are below Kit. It's not as impressive at this level as you'd think.