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No BFR.
Pre DCnu.

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Marvel should beat a standard Atom every time

Given Mary Marvel beat Cap Atom with ease there's no reason to believe her brother couldn't do it also.

I believe Cap. Marvel wins it without much trouble.

Is atom that weak?

Atom can definitely put up a damn good fight *see his battle with Majestic*. His immunity to all magic would help here as well.

More times that not, though, Billy edges him out.

Originally posted by Galan007
Atom can definitely put up a damn good fight *see his battle with Majestic*. His immunity to all magic would help here as well.

More times that not, though, Billy edges him out.


how does that work exactly? like primes where he didn't feel teths punches?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is atom that weak? I see standard Atom as being low end mid-herald

Originally posted by Sin I AM
how does that work exactly? like primes where he didn't feel teths punches? All we know is that his skin/shell is impervious to magic:
http://i.imgur.com/QbCKCRN.jpg

I can only assume that magical energy just cannot permeate through it or whathaveyou. Said immunity would only play a factor if Billy used his esoteric abilities, like Lightning or w/e. Atom would obviously still be affected by his physical strikes(even though they are charged with magic.)

he was def affected by mary's punches...

Hence my statement.

Originally posted by Cogito
I see standard Atom as being low end mid-herald

ok

Originally posted by Cogito
I see standard Atom as being low end mid-herald It's just DC comics doesn't know what to do with him and therefore undervalues him most of the time. As in his NDCU series he had the potential to be the most powerful hero in the DCU. But it would require an extremelly talented writer

Originally posted by Galan007
All we know is that his skin/shell is impervious to magic:
http://i.imgur.com/QbCKCRN.jpg

I can only assume that magical energy just cannot permeate through it or whathaveyou. Said immunity would only play a factor if Billy used his esoteric abilities, like Lightning or w/e. Atom would obviously still be affected by his physical strikes(even though they are charged with magic.)

Due to the fact mages Like Arion and Merlin are shown in the DCU to be less powerful around science i always figured that Atom's immunity was due to the quantum field being pure science at its peak.

If you look at the DCU mystics specifically NOT weakened by magic their power comes as much from a knowledge of science or cosmic power as straight out magic. (Dr Fate for example was taught the secret of molecular control by Nabu. Phantom stranger has a vast knowledve base and so on)

Originally posted by Galan007
All we know is that his skin/shell is impervious to magic:
http://i.imgur.com/QbCKCRN.jpg

I can only assume that magical energy just cannot permeate through it or whathaveyou. Said immunity would only play a factor if Billy used his esoteric abilities, like Lightning or w/e. Atom would obviously still be affected by his physical strikes(even though they are charged with magic.)
Originally posted by beatboks
Due to the fact mages Like Arion and Merlin are shown in the DCU to be less powerful around science i always figured that Atom's immunity was due to the quantum field being pure science at its peak.

If you look at the DCU mystics specifically NOT weakened by magic their power comes as much from a knowledge of science or cosmic power as straight out magic. (Dr Fate for example was taught the secret of molecular control by Nabu. Phantom stranger has a vast knowledve base and so on)

The Quantum Field is also called the Chi in the DCU and he is the base of Magic too as Magic fuels itself from Nature.

Originally posted by beatboks
Due to the fact mages Like Arion and Merlin are shown in the DCU to be less powerful around science i always figured that Atom's immunity was due to the quantum field being pure science at its peak.

If you look at the DCU mystics specifically NOT weakened by magic their power comes as much from a knowledge of science or cosmic power as straight out magic. (Dr Fate for example was taught the secret of molecular control by Nabu. Phantom stranger has a vast knowledve base and so on) Given the ambiguity of his magical immunity, that is as good a reason as any.

Nate's containment vessel is suspect in my opinion; especially when considering just how strong CM is. Speed goes to CM as well. I'm near or on the verge of saying that he pummels him, if not for the Majestic showing.

If Atom cuts loose, he could definitely make it fight. But yeah, he ultimately loses.

Really informative!

But how did Crimson Avenger manage to shoot him with her bullets?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But how did Crimson Avenger manage to shoot him with her bullets?

Happened a while ago, so I forgot some things. Are you talking about the run-in that they had in JL Europe?

JSA 35. His magic immunity was only introduced in Action Comics 880 so its not present in the older comics.

Thanks. Never had much of a chance to check out the JSA.

Atom's a case is such where you have a character that by logic should be herald level powerful - but instead you get a pansy ass - cos most writers only use him in their stories cos he's just there and they probably don't really have any knowledge of how his powers work - I've only seen him really shine in Injustice - but then - Wonder Woman slashed his throat - and he had to explode - .::

Uh, thanks for the bump and ban.

Originally posted by AonForge
Atom's a case is such where you have a character that by logic should be herald level powerful - but instead you get a pansy ass - cos most writers only use him in their stories cos he's just there and they probably don't really have any knowledge of how his powers work - I've only seen him really shine in Injustice - but then - Wonder Woman slashed his throat - and he had to explode - .:: I know this guy I banned, but that IS a common opinion.

Nathaniel actually does have some VERY impressive feats -- especially in his first solo series under DC, as well as Armageddon... But he does have quite a few low-end showings as well.

We did, however, see what Atom is capable of at full potential when he assumed the mantle of Monarch. Remember, the suit did not amp his Quantum powers -- it just contained them.

This was first mentioned when his armor was originally fashioned by the scientists/engineers of Bludhaven:
http://i.imgur.com/BGK20N6.jpg

And Atom himself corroborated this fact during his battle with Prime:
http://i.imgur.com/xKU48Yx.jpg

*IOW, everything he did during Countdown was all accomplished under his own power.


Heck, Nathaniel was preforming uber feats when he was originally Monarch as well(back in Extreme Justice.) The guy is an absolute BEAST when he wants to be.

Uh, Hank Hall was Monarch in Armageddon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, Hank Hall was Monarch in Armageddon. Uh, I'm obviously talking about the Armageddon mini from Wildstorm:
http://i.imgur.com/SZJ1wT9.jpg

He was amped on a shard of Void in that series though.

Oh was he? Actually thought he was weakened.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was amped on a shard of Void in that series though. I used to think that, but I no longer do.

The premise of that series was all about the Void shard making Atom's energies unstable, and his imminent detonation threatening to destroy the universe. At the end of the story Void finally removed that imperfection from Atom, which made him stable again. However, it wasn't stated that the Void shard made Atom more powerful(that I can recall), just that it started a chain reaction within him -- it essentially turned him into a universal bomb... A fact mentioned multiple times:
http://i.imgur.com/1Jr26L7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ScwuB7H.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MbpdZPe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HUBAYjC.jpg


However, we know that causing universal destruction when he detonates is part of Atom's 'standard' powerset, because that is exactly what happened when he detonated in Countdown... So unless you have a scan explicitly stating such, I just can't follow the logic that he was 'amped', per se.

In countdown he had absorbed the power of Major Force and 52 other captain atoms.

He was certainly amped there.

Only if you assume he didn't expend that power during the war he waged against the Monitors(and Prime) during Countdown itself... Not to mention the energy that Lord Havok was secretly siphoning from him little by little.

Also, even when Captain Atom thought he'd been cured in Armageddon, he was still confident that his death(at the hands of the Authority) would destroy the Wildstorm universe. Aside from that, his universal power(that of the Quantum Field) has been mentioned quite a few times in CA's history.

I know. Its just that he was amped in Countdown and Armageddon.

You're welcome to your opinions, but I disagree.

Monarch expended quite a bit of power from the time he absorbed the alternate CAs, to the time he detonated. He also had Lord Havok secretly absorbing power from him little by little the entire time. That said, him still being amped after his confrontation with Prime is questionable, at best... Especially since it was never stated that he was amped in the first place. /shrug

Same coin, his powers also weren't stated to have been amped in Armageddon -- just destabilized. /shrug x2

Yup. Weakened. Likely holding back as well.