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No bfr.

does AM get his trident? if this is pre nu i'd take the team i think. cm alone would be a hell of a battle. AM would tip scales i think. nu i'd prolly take hulk....

CM solos (billy

HULK DIES!!!!!

No tribent.

Originally posted by golem370
No tribent.

Cho?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cho?

"Hulk is Hulk"

- Derrick

Yeah not Cho

Originally posted by golem370
Yeah not Cho

Banner is dead. Let cho get his limelight

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Hulk is Hulk"

- Derrick

I messed up.

Hulk wins. Hulk fight teams of Heralds. Cap is good but not Hulk good and Aquaman gets creamed by the most powerful brick alive. They need a partner. Cho would win as well. The guy is shaking planets with his fist. That's not common for characters in DC to do.

I think that the Hulk would or could win, if he is allowed to get a full head of steam behind him before CM is able to gain the momentum advantage. Arthur is up there, but when talking about a brick of the Hulk's level, he becomes less and less of a factor as the seconds tick away.

Hulk tend to start off with a head of steam and ramps up instantly after that. The chances of him winning this is huge.

Originally posted by Stoic
I think that the Hulk would or could win, if he is allowed to get a full head of steam behind him before CM is able to gain the momentum advantage. Arthur is up there, but when talking about a brick of the Hulk's level, he becomes less and less of a factor as the seconds tick away.

maybe. thing with hulk is--we really don't see him grow grossly stronger during most fights. seems weird. think of all his lengthy battles. he doesn't usually grow noticeably stronger in fights. his greatest battles rarely have him suddenly dwarfing his opponents in strength and power as a fight progresses. i mean honestly--can anyone show me a couple classic or newer hulk fights where he is fighting a powerful opponent evenly at the start, then shows a dramatic increase in strength as the fight goes on to the point he is easily beating his opponent at the end? legit question. i think the whole 'hulk gets stronger as the fight goes on' gets assumed in most cases. i'd challenge that assumption and happily concede it the norm if i could see a couple fights that clearly display the ability to suddenly overwhelm someone as a fight progresses.

iow--i don't see him getting to the point where he easily surpasses (classic) CM or AM. otoh, i've seen what thor's lightning is capable of doing to the hulk. a couple magic bolts from CM and i think the team could def take him out for a solid majority.

I can post a lot of Hulk fight's where he grew in power. Give me a few, at work.

Cryptoman is one. Cryptoman started off as double Thor power and received 2 amps after that while fighting Hulk and got his head punched clean off. Onslaught and Hulk was fighting evenly until. The list goes on. His fight against Abomination who started off 2 times stronger than Hulk. His last fight against Abomination whowas stated as being stronger. I'm sure you've seen all of these battles.

Captain Marvel's combination of superior speed, strength(At default) and ranged attacks prove too much for puny Banner or Cho.

The fish-man is there to watch the spectacle.

Lightning ⚡ can ko Hulk.

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe. thing with hulk is--we really don't see him grow grossly stronger during most fights. seems weird. think of all his lengthy battles. he doesn't usually grow noticeably stronger in fights. his greatest battles rarely have him suddenly dwarfing his opponents in strength and power as a fight progresses. i mean honestly--can anyone show me a couple classic or newer hulk fights where he is fighting a powerful opponent evenly at the start, then shows a dramatic increase in strength as the fight goes on to the point he is easily beating his opponent at the end? legit question. i think the whole 'hulk gets stronger as the fight goes on' gets assumed in most cases. i'd challenge that assumption and happily concede it the norm if i could see a couple fights that clearly display the ability to suddenly overwhelm someone as a fight progresses.

iow--i don't see him getting to the point where he easily surpasses (classic) CM or AM. otoh, i've seen what thor's lightning is capable of doing to the hulk. a couple magic bolts from CM and i think the team could def take him out for a solid majority.


Well if you want to go with a classic showing of the Hulk increasing in strength, look no further than his epic struggles against the Abomination. You literally see how much stronger the Abomination is compared to the Hulk as he threw him around, and pummeled him. Then you see how the Hulk dramatically shifts the fight into his favor due to the sudden increase in strength that he gains within seconds allowing him the defeat the Abomination.

You also have to take CIS into account. The Hulk has always held his strength in check due to the innocent lives that would be at stake, or lost if he went all out like Doomsday. In a forum fight he doesn't have to worry about innocents, because unless stated otherwise, the battles are waged in a neutral setting so as to not hamper the abilities of the combatants involved. This means that the Hulk could go apeshit without the guilt of killing civilians. I fully agree with your conclusion if there were pedestrians running around in the streets. So no need to concede on anything, because your argument is valid under a certain light.

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe. thing with hulk is--we really don't see him grow grossly stronger during most fights. seems weird. think of all his lengthy battles. he doesn't usually grow noticeably stronger in fights. his greatest battles rarely have him suddenly dwarfing his opponents in strength and power as a fight progresses. i mean honestly--can anyone show me a couple classic or newer hulk fights where he is fighting a powerful opponent evenly at the start, then shows a dramatic increase in strength as the fight goes on to the point he is easily beating his opponent at the end? legit question. i think the whole 'hulk gets stronger as the fight goes on' gets assumed in most cases. i'd challenge that assumption and happily concede it the norm if i could see a couple fights that clearly display the ability to suddenly overwhelm someone as a fight progresses.

iow--i don't see him getting to the point where he easily surpasses (classic) CM or AM. otoh, i've seen what thor's lightning is capable of doing to the hulk. a couple magic bolts from CM and i think the team could def take him out for a solid majority.

I think his power level fluctuates to the strength needed to get the job done considering he has enough motivation or rage. I cant think of any fight though where he dwarfed someone in power though

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lightning ⚡ can ko Hulk.

Classic Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Classic Hulk.

Divine lightning=

French fried Hulk!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Stoic
Well if you want to go with a classic showing of the Hulk increasing in strength, look no further than his epic struggles against the Abomination. You literally see how much stronger the Abomination is compared to the Hulk as he threw him around, and pummeled him. Then you see how the Hulk dramatically shifts the fight into his favor due to the sudden increase in strength that he gains within seconds allowing him the defeat the Abomination.

cool. figured that would be raised. but....that's one fight. in any match against thor (just one example) he never ended up far surpassing thor--arguable he surpassed him at all most of the time....



you think cis keeps his strength in check? when hulk is hulk, he's not typically all that concerned about civilians.... i think it's more along the lines of he gets strong enough to match most enemies. maybe that's pis, but for it to be pis, we'd need some instances of where he just went nuts and his strength went nuts with it. even mindless hulk seemed to have a limit before he burned out.

i just think it more of a forum myth that as a battle goes on hulk will surpass an opponent in strength--or far surpass them. i can't see him surpassing classic marvel in strength--at least not by very much. i agree AM wouldn't be much of a factor. i thought he may have his trident which would help some, especially given his own lightning powers with it.....

if this is classic CM, i still would take the team probably. current hulk is more powerful than classic hulk though so it's not an easy call.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Divine lightning=

French fried Hulk!!!!!!!!

Nope.

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. figured that would be raised. but....that's one fight. in any match against thor (just one example) he never ended up far surpassing thor--arguable he surpassed him at all most of the time....



you think cis keeps his strength in check? when hulk is hulk, he's not typically all that concerned about civilians.... i think it's more along the lines of he gets strong enough to match most enemies. maybe that's pis, but for it to be pis, we'd need some instances of where he just went nuts and his strength went nuts with it. even mindless hulk seemed to have a limit before he burned out.

i just think it more of a forum myth that as a battle goes on hulk will surpass an opponent in strength--or far surpass them. i can't see him surpassing classic marvel in strength--at least not by very much. i agree AM wouldn't be much of a factor. i thought he may have his trident which would help some, especially given his own lightning powers with it.....

if this is classic CM, i still would take the team probably. current hulk is more powerful than classic hulk though so it's not an easy call.

He thrashed Thor in one or their classic fights which lead to the Author bringing up Hulk increase in power. It was also brought up in their Antarctica fight. Thor is just a talented fighter. Look at his last fight against Kurse who was said in the same comic to be 4 times more powerful.

This is the Thor and Hulk fight I'm talking about.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/1.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/2.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/3.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/4.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/5.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/6.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/7.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/8.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/9.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/10.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/11.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/12.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/13.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/14.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/15.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/16.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/17.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/18.jpg

In this fight he had Thor outright tell us Hulk is the strongest being he has ever faced.

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/2.jpg.html
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg.html

I can post this stuff all day but at the end of the day, Hulk has the most showings on marvel earth of fighting teams. It's his thing and yes, the teams he fight consist of Heralds. Dynamic strength plays a huge factor in this and it doesn't have to be announced in all of his fights.

Originally posted by golem370
No bfr.


Current versions?

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. figured that would be raised. but....that's one fight. in any match against thor (just one example) he never ended up far surpassing thor--arguable he surpassed him at all most of the time....



you think cis keeps his strength in check? when hulk is hulk, he's not typically all that concerned about civilians.... i think it's more along the lines of he gets strong enough to match most enemies. maybe that's pis, but for it to be pis, we'd need some instances of where he just went nuts and his strength went nuts with it. even mindless hulk seemed to have a limit before he burned out.

i just think it more of a forum myth that as a battle goes on hulk will surpass an opponent in strength--or far surpass them. i can't see him surpassing classic marvel in strength--at least not by very much. i agree AM wouldn't be much of a factor. i thought he may have his trident which would help some, especially given his own lightning powers with it.....

if this is classic CM, i still would take the team probably. current hulk is more powerful than classic hulk though so it's not an easy call.

Please read...

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/12.jpg.html

Also...

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ic09cj.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2a8j67d.jpg

And yes, he was losing this battle but as shown (and stated), Hulk became mad and became stronger. Jesus, there are so many Classic fights I can post with this like his fight with G. He was shrunk down to the size of a mouse and was getting stomped in the beginning of the fight. He gets pissed and not only trounce his opponent but his rage made him grow back to his normal size.

Originally posted by carver9
Also...

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ic09cj.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2a8j67d.jpg

And yes, he was losing this battle but as shown (and stated), Hulk became mad and became stronger. Jesus, there are so many Classic fights I can post with this like his fight with G. He was shrunk down to the size of a mouse and was getting stomped in the beginning of the fight. He gets pissed and not only trounce his opponent but his rage made him grow back to his normal size.

Captain Marvels power> that pathetic Gobot!

He was also gaining more power against the In Betweener to the point IB was struggling and using most of his power to hold the Hulk. Given time, Hulk would've overpowered him (Abstract). It's also stated in the scans that Hulk amping had a lot to do with it.

Originally posted by carver9
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17094436_Longshot_Saves_The_Marvel_Universe_002-014.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17094438_Longshot_Saves_The_Marvel_Universe_002-015.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17094439_Longshot_Saves_The_Marvel_Universe_002-016.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17094441_Longshot_Saves_The_Marvel_Universe_002-017.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17094442_Longshot_Saves_The_Marvel_Universe_002-018.jpg

In-betweener.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Captain Marvels power> that pathetic Gobot!

Lol...a prepped robot by one of the smartest beings on the planet that was hitting Hulk with power that could melt adamantium. I disagree. Cap would've died.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...a prepped robot by one of the smartest beings on the planet that was hitting Hulk with power that could melt adamantium. I disagree. Cap would've died.


Hmm. You dont think Billy is a challenge for Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...a prepped robot by one of the smartest beings on the planet that was hitting Hulk with power that could melt adamantium. I disagree. Cap would've died.

Marvel wouldn't be touched due to his incredible speed.

This pretty much nips it in the bud. This is Grey Hulk by the way. Please read the words.

Originally posted by carver9
There has never been anything measure on how angry he can get (which means his anger us immeasurable) and there has never been a measurement on his strength (incalculable). What I'm getting from this is, Hulk power, including his rage is limitless. Thanks for the scans Jax.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAbomination38.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmm. You dont think Billy is a challenge for Hulk?

I think Billy would do amazingly good against the Hulk or any other foe tbh.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Marvel wouldn't be touched due to his incredible speed.

Despero has touched him though.

Originally posted by carver9
I think Billy would do amazingly good against the Hulk or any other foe tbh.

Good. Quit scan dumping.

Hulk first lick did jack crap to Abomination. When Hulk got pissed (after receiving a beating), he takes Abomination out with 2 hits.

Originally posted by carver9
Good fight.


http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19446964_Savage_Hulk_002-006.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19446978_Savage_Hulk_002-007.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19446993_Savage_Hulk_002-008.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19447009_Savage_Hulk_002-009.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19447026_Savage_Hulk_002-010.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19447042_Savage_Hulk_002-011.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19447071_Savage_Hulk_002-012.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19447092_Savage_Hulk_002-013.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good. Quit scan dumping.

Nope...Leo will never make that statement again.

Hulk face an amped Ironman and walk through his attack. Anger is being mentioned here.

Originally posted by carver9
Hands that can Juggles SUNS. Hulk is literally toying with an amped Ironman. Ripping through his tech and armor with ease. Hulk is operating at insane levels these days. This version or Hulk needs to stay. An absolute beast.


http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644404_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-002.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644345_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-003.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644349_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-004.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644357_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-005.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644364_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-006.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644369_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-007.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644377_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-008.jpg

Lol, Ironman thought he was weaker because he was smart. This version of Hulk is as powerful, if not, more powerful than his dumb, brute, always angry self. Loving it.

I'm done posting scans. Hope I made my point.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good. Quit scan dumping.
No.


Carver. Pls continue.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk face an amped Ironman and walk through his attack. Anger is being mentioned here.



I'm done posting scans. Hope I made my point.
U haven't..

Originally posted by carver9
Nope...Leo will never make that statement again.

Leo has a point. Hulk does have set limits

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Leo has a point. Hulk does have set limits

No he doesn't.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No.


Carver. Pls continue.


U haven't..

Originally posted by carver9
No he doesn't.

Zeus beat that ass so id beg to differ.

Originally posted by carver9
Despero has touched him though.

Despero>>>Hulk

NO ONE BEATS DESPERO!

Hulk fighting Superman back in the day once Superman braces himself he takes Hulk with no problem but every hit after start building in power to where Superman starts to struggle holding his ground.

Originally posted by carver9
This is the Thor and Hulk fight I'm talking about.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/1.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/2.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/3.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/4.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/5.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/6.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/7.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/8.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/9.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/10.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/11.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/12.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/13.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/14.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/15.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/16.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/17.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/18.jpg

i've discussed that fight a hundred times. he never gets to the point where he far surpasses thor--he seemed to be stronger than thor from the start there. even when he got REALLY po'd he couldn't ko' thor.... so, not a great example.

Originally posted by carver9
In this fight he had Thor outright tell us Hulk is the strongest being he has ever faced.

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/2.jpg.html
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg.html

huh? that has nothing to do with what i asked.... there is nothing showing him getting far stronger than thor as the battle went on....

i could show thor fighting hulk for HOURS and STILL stalemating him in strength, even after all that time....

Originally posted by carver9


And yes, he was losing this battle but as shown (and stated), Hulk became mad and became stronger. Jesus, there are so many Classic fights I can post with this like his fight with G. He was shrunk down to the size of a mouse and was getting stomped in the beginning of the fight. He gets pissed and not only trounce his opponent but his rage made him grow back to his normal size.

this one is solid, and one i'd forgotten since it was against a no body....

the first abom fight is one i recalled and is pretty good, shows what i was looking for. the second one really doesn't. hulk basically dominated him from the start and didn't even appear to get angry in the fight.

the other IM scans at the top of this page don't show anything either--he didn't get angry and surpass tony. tony was outclassed from the start.

so, for all the thousands of fights hulk has had, it would seem there are very few where he can clearly be shown to surpass, let alone FAR surpass, an opponent in strength. he is rarely shown to be a lot weaker than someone at the start, and far superior at the end. lately it seems more like his strength just starts at a lot higher level than it did before.

golem mentioned maybe the single best example in that non-canon superman/hulk meeting, but that seems to rarely happen in comics. please post others though that clearly show him becoming much greater than an opponent at the end of a fight.

there are some examples, true, but it would seem they are the exception, as opposed to the norm in hulk battles. nothing i saw in those scans would convince me hulk would surpass CM by any great margin. i think a fight between classic CM and hulk could go either way if it's classic hulk. i haven't followed cho hulk, or even banner hulk too closely for the last couple years, but i know he was operating at a higher level, seemingly. still, i could see classic cm doing what sun god was able to do. lightning speed and flight, along with superman level strength tell me CM would make this really really tough....

I think it is a writers intuition to only able to over power someone. One I remember seeing in respect thread is Hulk fighting an alien on their planet but there gravity is so strong that he is no match fof them but grows in strength where he either holds his own or wins I forget.

i don't recall that but that would be a good one. i think you're right though. but that alone us enough to do away with the assumption that hulk will simply runaway with fights because he'll just keep getting stronger and stronger and end up just overwhelming an opponent. that type of strength increase is not shown very often. more often hulk is either as strong or stronger from the start in fights, and his increases rarely seem to reach the point that he overwhelms an opponent. in this match, if he wasn't as strong as marvel at the start, he would almost immediately become as strong, perhaps a little stronger, but not so much stronger that he would overwhelm billy. with his speed and lightning i see no reason to think cm couldn't at least split by himself in this match (admitting again that i've less knowledge of the most recent depictions of hulk after indestructible hulk....)

Originally posted by leonidas
i've discussed that fight a hundred times. he never gets to the point where he far surpasses thor--he seemed to be stronger than thor from the start there. even when he got REALLY po'd he couldn't ko' thor.... so, not a great example.



huh? that has nothing to do with what i asked.... there is nothing showing him getting far stronger than thor as the battle went on....

i could show thor fighting hulk for HOURS and STILL stalemating him in strength, even after all that time....



this one is solid, and one i'd forgotten since it was against a no body....

the first abom fight is one i recalled and is pretty good, shows what i was looking for. the second one really doesn't. hulk basically dominated him from the start and didn't even appear to get angry in the fight.

the other IM scans at the top of this page don't show anything either--he didn't get angry and surpass tony. tony was outclassed from the start.

so, for all the thousands of fights hulk has had, it would seem there are very few where he can clearly be shown to surpass, let alone FAR surpass, an opponent in strength. he is rarely shown to be a lot weaker than someone at the start, and far superior at the end. lately it seems more like his strength just starts at a lot higher level than it did before.

golem mentioned maybe the single best example in that non-canon superman/hulk meeting, but that seems to rarely happen in comics. please post others though that clearly show him becoming much greater than an opponent at the end of a fight.

there are some examples, true, but it would seem they are the exception, as opposed to the norm in hulk battles. nothing i saw in those scans would convince me hulk would surpass CM by any great margin. i think a fight between classic CM and hulk could go either way if it's classic hulk. i haven't followed cho hulk, or even banner hulk too closely for the last couple years, but i know he was operating at a higher level, seemingly. still, i could see classic cm doing what sun god was able to do. lightning speed and flight, along with superman level strength tell me CM would make this really really tough....

Wait a minute. Were you expecting Hulk to kill Thor because as stated on so many of occasions... Banner prevents Hulk from doing things like that so what youre expecting just will not happen. He beat Thor until he was blue in the face. Cant recall anything similar like that happening. You thinking Hulk was suppose to rip him in half doesn't take away from Hulk dynamic showing against Thor. Thats like me saying Thor and a angry Celestial is equals due to Thor still being physically able to fight back, even after the Celestial dished everything he had at him. Thats not a low showing for either the Celestial or Hulk, its a high showing for Thor.

you can post Thor stalemating Hulk for hours if you want too but when you post that scan, make sure you type right beside it Hulk not having dynamic strength during that era. Everyone knows this... hell, ABHI even knows this.

LOL... a nobody? That doesn't take away from it happening.

Tony hits during the beginning, Hulk wasn't brushing them off. After this, Ironman amps up further and Hulk walks through it. Yes, the showing is legit.

The thousand fights Hulk has had, he grew stronger in all of them. I see no reason along with the writer doesn't see a reason to announce this in every fight when everyone and their grandma knows Hulk capabilities.

Question Leo...

Whos stronger, WWH or Savage Hulk (can you please explain why you chose your answer)?

Whos stronger, Mindless Hulk or Professor Hulk?

Whos stronger, WBH or WWH?

Then we have this...

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Powers/SavageHulkAmping01FF025.jpg.html

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Powers/SavageHulkAmping02FF026.jpg.html

This seals the deal.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Powers/SavageHulkAmping04141.jpg.html

Im sorry, this seals the deal...

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Powers/SavageHulkAmping05270.jpg.html

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Powers/SavageHulkAmping06CaptainMarvelv32.jpg.html

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Zeus beat that ass so id beg to differ.

You might want to read the Zeus and Hulk fight.

Originally posted by carver9
You might want to read the Zeus and Hulk fight.

lol so much butthurt. Leo is just debating carver don't take it personal

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol so much butthurt. Leo is just debating carver don't take it personal

LOL.. I'm not angry at this. I said that because you missed some context to that fight. I like Leo. I think he has an agenda here but overall, he is a good guy.

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. figured that would be raised. but....that's one fight. in any match against thor (just one example) he never ended up far surpassing thor--arguable he surpassed him at all most of the time....



you think cis keeps his strength in check? when hulk is hulk, he's not typically all that concerned about civilians.... i think it's more along the lines of he gets strong enough to match most enemies. maybe that's pis, but for it to be pis, we'd need some instances of where he just went nuts and his strength went nuts with it. even mindless hulk seemed to have a limit before he burned out.

i just think it more of a forum myth that as a battle goes on hulk will surpass an opponent in strength--or far surpass them. i can't see him surpassing classic marvel in strength--at least not by very much. i agree AM wouldn't be much of a factor. i thought he may have his trident which would help some, especially given his own lightning powers with it.....

if this is classic CM, i still would take the team probably. current hulk is more powerful than classic hulk though so it's not an easy call.

I think it all boils down to whether or not the Hulk would be willing to dig deep, or allow these guys to chip him up in a neutral setting by knock out. In my opinion, this is the Hulk's fight to lose, because Captain Marvel can not hope to match his raw strength, and the Hulk can punch him in the face like he did to Robert Reynolds. The Sentry at that time was always moving at 2 seconds into the future, he likely exceeds that these days, and he was punched in the face. Moving on.

It's the Hulk's durability that's amazing, his defenses actually allow for his toughness at certain levels, to take up to 70-80% of the hit, while his healing factor mitigates the 20-30% practically in that instant. Wait a sec, I'm not done yet, as his strength increases, his damage resistance climbs as well to the point that he may not even feel the impact, and magic isn't his weakness, he takes it as normal damage, and that damage is then mitigated by his innate abilities (healing factor) which had already increased by his level of strength thus mitigating the damage done in accordance to how suped up his healing factor is. The Hulk regenerated from being reduced to pieces of flesh and a skeleton. Neither of these guys are going to do that.

I have no doubt that his strength could far exceed Captain Marvels in a matter of seconds, because CM like it or not is in Gladiator's power tier, while the Hulk easily makes it into Annihli-Hulk's weight class at the moment of conflict (as seen on panel), while retaining the rights by trademark to exceed even that level of strength. How well do you think that CM would do against Annihili-Hulk, cosmic rod and all? He beat Gladiator like a slave. He wasn't able to drop the Hulk though, even while being slower than Gladiator.

Sorry man but the Hulk would stomp.

Annihi-Hulk was in Thanos' weight class in terms of strength, and Thanos was manhandling Captain Marvel in the Marvel vs DC crossover, so if I recall correctly, some of those matches that weren't fan voted were considered canon. It can't officially be used on KMC, but there it was all the same.

Is this current Aquaman? Seems a bit dickish to take away his trident. Unless it's pre52, who at least has really good TP feats.

I don't know if the team would win though, all things considered. Depends on a lot of factors.

I thought 2 on 1 makes up for no trident

As far as Thor is concerned which I noted as being Marvels closest answer to Captain Marvel. There are several things set these two apart when dealing with the Hulk. Banner knows who Thor is, and thus keeps his strength in check, because he has never been intent on killing Thor except for when he was in his mindless Bannerless state. As far as Thor vs Hulk is concerned, It was always a battle of who is stronger in both of their minds, as neither have ever poured it on to the point of a death match.

The art direction was also different those days than they are these days. In those days, huge displays of power were hitting a guy, and all of the windows in the surrounding buildings burst ( ref. Superman vs Doomsday DOS). These days, planets shake when a number of different Hulk's have poured it on. His set limits come down to situational settings in the comics, but this is neutral territory.

Originally posted by golem370
I thought 2 on 1 makes up for no trident

Aquaman just isn't in that league. He doesn't have the kind of speed someone like Diana or Clark does, and he's not as mobile as someone like Flash.

It's not a terrible thread or anything; just saying Aquaman had limited options to begin with, and now he's getting less.

You know who else doesn't have that kind of speed Hulk he is talking Superman lite charactet and Aquaman who is what Sasquatch level?

Originally posted by golem370
You know who else doesn't have that kind of speed Hulk he is talking Superman lite charactet and Aquaman who is what Sasquatch level?


Perhaps in initial burst speeds, but Arthur has better agility by a decent margin.

Team shit stomps. Cap could do it alone.

Originally posted by Stoic
I think it all boils down to whether or not the Hulk would be willing to dig deep, or allow these guys to chip him up in a neutral setting by knock out. In my opinion, this is the Hulk's fight to lose, because Captain Marvel can not hope to match his raw strength, and the Hulk can punch him in the face like he did to Robert Reynolds. The Sentry at that time was always moving at 2 seconds into the future, he likely exceeds that these days, and he was punched in the face. Moving on.

It's the Hulk's durability that's amazing, his defenses actually allow for his toughness at certain levels, to take up to 70-80% of the hit, while his healing factor mitigates the 20-30% practically in that instant. Wait a sec, I'm not done yet, as his strength increases, his damage resistance climbs as well to the point that he may not even feel the impact, and magic isn't his weakness, he takes it as normal damage, and that damage is then mitigated by his innate abilities (healing factor) which had already increased by his level of strength thus mitigating the damage done in accordance to how suped up his healing factor is. The Hulk regenerated from being reduced to pieces of flesh and a skeleton. Neither of these guys are going to do that.

I have no doubt that his strength could far exceed Captain Marvels in a matter of seconds, because CM like it or not is in Gladiator's power tier, while the Hulk easily makes it into Annihli-Hulk's weight class at the moment of conflict (as seen on panel), while retaining the rights by trademark to exceed even that level of strength. How well do you think that CM would do against Annihili-Hulk, cosmic rod and all? He beat Gladiator like a slave. He wasn't able to drop the Hulk though, even while being slower than Gladiator.

Sorry man but the Hulk would stomp.


LIES!

Billy getting the short stick here. Shame

Originally posted by Stoic
As far as Thor is concerned which I noted as being Marvels closest answer to Captain Marvel. There are several things set these two apart when dealing with the Hulk. Banner knows who Thor is, and thus keeps his strength in check, because he has never been intent on killing Thor except for when he was in his mindless Bannerless state. As far as Thor vs Hulk is concerned, It was always a battle of who is stronger in both of their minds, as neither have ever poured it on to the point of a death match.

The art direction was also different those days than they are these days. In those days, huge displays of power were hitting a guy, and all of the windows in the surrounding buildings burst ( ref. Superman vs Doomsday DOS). These days, planets shake when a number of different Hulk's have poured it on. His set limits come down to situational settings in the comics, but this is neutral territory.

True statement buddy. Hell, during Hulk and Thor fight in the artic, Thor was in a rage but Hulk was still trying to save the guy life. He warned Thor to run, Thor wouldn't listen and kept trying to pound at Hulk which lead to Hulk bfring Thor so that he wouldn't get hit by the nuke. He took the blast so that Thor wouldn't get hurt.

This is the scene I am talking about

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/8.jpg.html
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/9.jpg.html
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/10.jpg.html
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/11.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
Please read...

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/12.jpg.html

Whoa, did those people get smushed by the falling shelves? Its seems unlikely that they didn't bite it but what happened to Banner mitigating Hulk's damage, thus keeping him in check?

Originally posted by golem370
I thought 2 on 1 makes up for no trident

U still havent said which marvel and which am

I didn't realized you asked Pre-52 versions.

Either solo.

Originally posted by golem370
I didn't realized you asked Pre-52 versions.

Oh ok team stomps then. Good thread. I think it wouldve been more competitive with Nu Billy since he's not as high up...id place him in the low to mid herald class with nu Arthur providing some good assistance. Theyd get wrecked but i think theyd make hulk work for it.

Old billy though is a definite high herald. Je could stalemate or beat hulk on his own. Arthur just tips the scales

Originally posted by carver9
True statement buddy. Hell, during Hulk and Thor fight in the artic, Thor was in a rage but Hulk was still trying to save the guy life. He warned Thor to run, Thor wouldn't listen and kept trying to pound at Hulk which lead to Hulk bfring Thor so that he wouldn't get hit by the nuke. He took the blast so that Thor wouldn't get hurt.
Lol..


Temporary and questionable power up from Leader of all people.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol..


Temporary and questionable power up from Leader of all people.

We've been through this and Hulk had a piece of Sharpnel in his brain that was messing with his power and memories.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Oh ok team stomps then. Good thread. I think it wouldve been more competitive with Nu Billy since he's not as high up...id place him in the low to mid herald class with nu Arthur providing some good assistance. Theyd get wrecked but i think theyd make hulk work for it.

Old billy though is a definite high herald. Je could stalemate or beat hulk on his own. Arthur just tips the scales

Billy is good but he doesn't have the fts to say he would beat Hulk. Hulk at this point is the hardest puncher is comics and it has been consistent. Right now, during the new Era, it has been consistently mentioned that Hulk IS the most powerful being on the planet and he is.

Originally posted by carver9
Billy is good but he doesn't have the fts to say he would beat Hulk. Hulk at this point is the hardest puncher is comics and it has been consistent. Right now, during the new Era, it has been consistently mentioned that Hulk IS the most powerful being on the planet and he is.

Wayment. Billy dont have the feats? If this way Nu Billy id cede but golem said old Billy. I know youre not saying hes not on hulks level?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wayment. Billy dont have the feats? If this way Nu Billy id cede but golem said old Billy. I know youre not saying hes not on hulks level?

He isn't Hulk level. What fts of Billy comes to mind for you to say he can beat Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
Billy is good but he doesn't have the fts to say he would beat Hulk. Hulk at this point is the hardest puncher is comics and it has been consistent. Right now, during the new Era, it has been consistently mentioned that Hulk IS the most powerful being on the planet and he is.

Marvel's battles with Superman and Captain Marvel prove he would DECIMATE the Hulk!!!

Originally posted by krisblaze
Either solo.

I'd agree with you if we were to replace the Hulk with Captain Britain.

Originally posted by carver9
He isn't Hulk level. What fts of Billy comes to mind for you to say he can beat Hulk?

Captain Marvel has fought Superman and remained conscious after each encounter.

Banner fought Superman on 2 occasions and was .........

KNOCKED OUT!!!!!!

Originally posted by golem370
No bfr.

Aquaman gets 3 shoted, maybe 2 shoted. After that, Hulk vs. Billy turns into one of the best fights in comics history. Billy has a hard time putting the finishing moves on top tiers, so I'm leaning with Hulk on a very close fight.

Hulks just hard to beat, especially if he goes shit crazy.

Originally posted by Facee
Aquaman gets 3 shoted, maybe 2 shoted. After that, Hulk vs. Billy turns into one of the best fights in comics history. Billy has a hard time putting the finishing moves on top tiers, so I'm leaning with Hulk on a very close fight.

Hulks just hard to beat, especially if he goes shit crazy.

YOUR IGNORANCE IS ONLY EXCEDED BY YOUR UGLINESS!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Captain Marvel has fought Superman and remained conscious after each encounter.

Banner fought Superman on 2 occasions and was .........

KNOCKED OUT!!!!!!

What two occasions was that? Pre Crisis, which is no longer canon, and hasn't been officially so since the Byrne era. And Merged Hulk? Wonder Man put the moves on Merged Hulk, as did a few other light weights in his later showings. The Hulk has gotten a lot stronger. It was after all his body that was pushed to be strong enough to rip adamantium netting like tissue paper. The Hulk can, and has brought it up, however it was always when another power or situation permited for him to reach his highs. In a forum match, he would not have to keep his power level in check, because this is actually a character that could destroy planets if his core personality were to be replaced, or appeased. When I say appeased, what I mean is that if the Hulk under optimal conditions (healthy, etc) is aware that no innocents are in harms way, and he is free to pour it on, he has the power to destroy entire planets as large or larger than the Earth to dust. When has CM ever shown that kind of power. I mean sure, I've seen him catch an aircraft carrier that an Eclipsed Superman threw at him with minimum difficulty, but how can you begin to compare that to punches that shake the planet? Sorry but that is why I'm mentioning that this is neutral territory.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Marvel's battles with Superman and Captain Marvel prove he would DECIMATE the Hulk!!!

LOL... that doesn't mean he can beat the Hulk though.

Originally posted by Stoic
What two occasions was that? Pre Crisis, which is no longer canon, and hasn't been officially so since the Byrne era. And Merged Hulk? Wonder Man put the moves on Merged Hulk, as did a few other light weights in his later showings. The Hulk has gotten a lot stronger. It was after all his body that was pushed to be strong enough to rip adamantium netting like tissue paper. The Hulk can, and has brought it up, however it was always when another power or situation permited for him to reach his highs. In a forum match, he would not have to keep his power level in check, because this is actually a character that could destroy planets if his core personality were to be replaced, or appeased. When I say appeased, what I mean is that if the Hulk under optimal conditions (healthy, etc) is aware that no innocents are in harms way, and he is free to pour it on, he has the power to destroy entire planets as large or larger than the Earth to dust. When has CM ever shown that kind of power. I mean sure, I've seen him catch an aircraft carrier that an Eclipsed Superman threw at him with minimum difficulty, but how can you begin to compare that to punches that shake the planet? Sorry but that is why I'm mentioning that this is neutral territory.

Marvel would land a myriad of punches before Banner can react. If Hulk withstands the initial onslaught there is still Marvel's flight, lightning strikes, and superior fighting ability that would allow him to outlast the Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL... that doesn't mean he can beat the Hulk though.

Here is proof of my argument.

Superman exists on ALL planes of existence!

Here he is in the Marvel Universe with a SLIGHTLY altered appearance!

BEHOLD!!!!!!!!

Superman(Known here as SUNGOD) ANNIHILATING The Hulk!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb208/juanmmaldonado/teh%20internets/IMAG0692_zpsaca6d4e7.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb208/juanmmaldonado/teh%20internets/IMAG0694_zpsc628775a.jpg

I now DEMAND your concession that Marvel wins!!!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. Were you expecting Hulk to kill Thor because as stated on so many of occasions... Banner prevents Hulk from doing things like that so what youre expecting just will not happen. He beat Thor until he was blue in the face. Cant recall anything similar like that happening. You thinking Hulk was suppose to rip him in half doesn't take away from Hulk dynamic showing against Thor. Thats like me saying Thor and a angry Celestial is equals due to Thor still being physically able to fight back, even after the Celestial dished everything he had at him. Thats not a low showing for either the Celestial or Hulk, its a high showing for Thor.

lol yeah, not the same thing....hulk and thor have fought LOADS of times, and the question of who is stronger has been an eternal one at marvel. and it completely detracts from your 'dynamic showing'. he wasn't strong enough to ko thor after multiple unprotected blows while raging at him...don't think he was thinking--uh-oh, gotta be careful and not get TOO mad here....lol really? calling PIS? good lord. it's simply not a good showing of what i asked for. still a good showing for hulk--not what i asked for.



well, that's a revelation that i need to see proof of.



true, which is why i said it was good.



legit in your mind? i agree. not in mine.



writers don't have to say it--they just have to clearly show it in the story.

Originally posted by carver9
Question Leo...

Whos stronger, WWH or Savage Hulk (can you please explain why you chose your answer)?

Whos stronger, Mindless Hulk or Professor Hulk?

Whos stronger, WBH or WWH?



the question is obviously loaded, but it's also worded incorrectly--it's also not relevant to what i was looking for. the question should be who has better feats, wwh or savage, and clearly savage/incredible has far and away better feats. savage also has better feats than mindless who burned out pretty quick. wbh has the best feat of them all, but is still just hulk who is more angry. now you're like--AH--HAH!! lol the question wasn't does hulk get stronger as he gets angrier--the question was does his strength in fights grow to the point where he just dwarfs opponents. totally different. your samson scan is a good one. i've noticed MOST of the really good ones are from a LONG time ago though.....classics like samson and abomination, that u-foes scan....all old stuff. and given the thousands of fights you say hulk has had, precious few seem to have him clearly surpassing an opponent in strength at the end of a fight--certainly he doesn't just dwarf opponents, and seemingly it happens even less in more recent times (now he just starts as the strongest).

i guess when i get the time i'll post an equal number of fights that show hulk seemingly NOT increasing his strength much from the start to the end, and i'll show a bunch of fights where he is clearly NOT a lot stronger than an opponent.

@ stoic--you could be right if we're talking the most recent banner (though he did have his lights punched out by sun god, and titannus ko'd him with a shot as well.... his durability IS a huge factor in this though. still, i could show a couple scans of lightning (from thor and storm even) doing really bad things to hulk. bad enough that i could easily see a couple huge bolts being enough to ko or nearly take him out. close enough that marvel could end him with changed punches or a blitz or huge blows. i don't see CM vs hulk as anything but close.

as for my original question: it seems there are times (carv showed a few\0 where it can be seen he gets stronger than an opponent--but RARELY does he far surpass a foe, to the point where he just easily overwhelms him. i really don't see that happening against CM, whose other powers (speed and magic) would still be enough to counter whatever strength edge hulk would gain.

oh and carver--wtf are you talking about when you say i have an agenda? my only agenda is to find proof of a very common belief that is rarely proven by anyone. you've shown some proof. enough to say he will simply grow far stronger than anyone he fights and overwhelm them in the end? not imo. but i'm only one guy. agenda? you're hilarious is you think i care about this stuff enough to have an agenda--whatever the hell it might even be. lol

Leo, PIS happens in comics, and I'm not one to immediately scream PIS on the drop of a dime, but when you have certain popular characters stalemating Thor or giving him a rough time, and then the Hulk comes in and overpowers them, PIS and CIS may certainly have something to do with it. Look at how each did against Gladiator for example. Whenever it comes to the Hulk as well, the people reading the comic should always realize that CIS really plays a part when it comes to his level of strength at any given time. CIS applies to all characters, but in the Hulk's case it becomes directly linked to how foul, or fair his mood has been over the years (which directly links to his strength level), he;s held himself in check many times as to not accidentally wind up killing everyone on the continent due to one of his meltdowns. Again this is neutral space, which allows him to take off the kids gloves. If I'm off the mark, why is it that he was exiled to Sakaar in the first place?

You're wondering when he has shown strength increases, and I'm surprised by this, because there are numerous showing of him doing so in his respect thread alone. As I mentioned, he came in fighting Annihilus amped up on his own power. Now Anni rated in as a physical threat to Thanos who would maul this team. Anni also took Gladiator out like he was a light weight, and Gladiator can hold Thor for a good while if not win against him on any given day. Anni was unable to KO the Hulk, which shows you that the Hulk rose in power. I mean, I don't think that you need the writer to tell you how much his strength increased every time it increased during every fight that he has had right? You just know, because it's one of his abilities, that can be played with based on plot setting.

when plot allowed, the Hulk has exceeded Captain Marvel's strength level, by leaps and bounds. bringing Superman into this is pointless, because he drastically holds back as well. Imagine if Superman went all out on Captain Marvel like he was able to during OWAW. It wasn't ever about Superman, or the Hulk taking it up to those levels, but more about their willingness to. So once again, I'd like to remind everyone that this is neutral territory.

Originally posted by Facee
Aquaman gets 3 shoted, maybe 2 shoted.

pr1983

@Leo

I...already...gave...you...examples...Leo...

An android that was 3 times as powerful as Thor was stalemating Hulk until Hulk got passed and punched his head off.

Onslaught was fighting evenly against Hulk until Hulk got pissed and punched him so hard that Onslaught body was turned into dust.

Genis dropped Hulk with a single blast. Tried the same thing again with a more powerful blast but Hulk gets 10 times as mad and tanks Genis blast and curb stomps him?

Just look at Hulk fights man.

Also, lol at you saying Savage Hulk is more powerful than WWH due to fts. It's obvious you are dodging or trooooooooo...

Anyways, WWH is far more powerful than Savage due to anger.

WBH is far more powerful than Mindless Hulk due to anger.

Mindless Hulk is far more powerful than Grey Hulk due to anger.

Originally posted by -Pr-
pr1983

Yea i know. Arthur is meta level now. Hulk is high trans

The way the hero's piss in their pants at the thought of fighting Hulk...I wouldn't think twice about calling him Trans tier.

Originally posted by carver9
The way the hero's piss in their pants at the thought of fighting Hulk...I wouldn't think twice about calling him Trans tier.

Banner didn't look trans against Elseworld's Superman...

SUNGOD

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Banner didn't look trans against Elseworld's Superman...

SUNGOD

I know because he took an antidote before facing Sun God.

Hulk is trans.





































Transgender that is.................................

vin

Originally posted by carver9
I know because he took an antidote before facing Sun God.

Which didn't affect the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
The way the hero's piss in their pants at the thought of fighting Hulk...I wouldn't think twice about calling him Trans tier.

nobodies wetting there pants over hulk but u carver.

anyway still team...if someone other than a fanboy can tell me y hulk wins id love a compelling argument

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which didn't affect the fight.

It affected Hulk, not the fight.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
nobodies wetting there pants over hulk but u carver.

anyway still team...if someone other than a fanboy can tell me y hulk wins id love a compelling argument

I already told you why he would win.

Originally posted by carver9
I already told you why he would win. Originally posted by Sin I AM
if someone other than a fanboy can tell me y hulk wins id love a compelling argument

Originally posted by carver9
It affected Hulk, not the fight.

So if it didn't change the outcome of the fight at all (i.e. Sun God would still have won), not sure what your jimmies are rustling for.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if it didn't change the outcome of the fight at all (i.e. Sun God would still have won), not sure what your jimmies are rustling for.

But the antigen that he took was meant to act as a kill switch if you read a particular issue before they ever fought. It was meant as a failsafe or killswitch for when and if the Hulk became too riled up. I do recall reading that, and once again it plays up the idea that in order for us not to see the Hulk unleashed, we see an inserted nerf or situation that calls for him to keep his power levels in check. This is neutral territory, without the PIS attached to it, because you can't sit there and say that it did not affect the Hulk with 100% justifiable certainty. He's been struck by similar force, or worse and remained awake. Arguing the Sun God run in as a clean win is outright sophistry.

CM can not match an unleashed Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
But the antigen that he took was meant to act as a kill switch if you read a particular issue before they ever fought. It was meant as a failsafe or killswitch for when and if the Hulk became too riled up. I do recall reading that, and once again it plays up the idea that in order for us not to see the Hulk unleashed, we see an inserted nerf or situation that calls for him to keep his power levels in check. This is neutral territory, without the PIS attached to it, because you can't sit there and say that it did not affect the Hulk with 100% justification. He's been struck by similar force, or worse and remained awake. Arguing the Sun God run in as a clean win is outright sophistry.

CM can not match an unleashed Hulk.

All the serum did was enable Banner to control when he becomes the Hulk, so that he didn't just Hulk out when he stubs his toe. That's all.

Nothing about him throttling back MID BATTLE. Which is what carver has always asserted.

Once he's Hulk, he's Hulk. But there were times when the Hulk was not needed...so he could throttle his anger back then.

There was no indication he was any weaker. Carver and others liked to...what, blame the artist error, or engage in mental gymnastics to find some shred of proof that he was weaker. When there wasn't any.

But there is a thread for that, which I created. We can argue it there?

Originally posted by Stoic
But the antigen that he took was meant to act as a kill switch if you read a particular issue before they ever fought. It was meant as a failsafe or killswitch for when and if the Hulk became too riled up. I do recall reading that, and once again it plays up the idea that in order for us not to see the Hulk unleashed, we see an inserted nerf or situation that calls for him to keep his power levels in check. This is neutral territory, without the PIS attached to it, because you can't sit there and say that it did not affect the Hulk with 100% justifiable certainty. He's been struck by similar force, or worse and remained awake. Arguing the Sun God run in as a clean win is outright sophistry.

CM can not match an unleashed Hulk.

What can an unleashed Marvel achieve in your opinion?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if it didn't change the outcome of the fight at all (i.e. Sun God would still have won), not sure what your jimmies are rustling for.

It did change the outcome of the fight. He wasn't close to his best.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All the serum did was enable Banner to control when he becomes the Hulk, so that he didn't just Hulk out when he stubs his toe. That's all.

Nothing about him throttling back MID BATTLE. Which is what carver has always asserted.

Once he's Hulk, he's Hulk. But there were times when the Hulk was not needed...so he could throttle his anger back then.

There was no indication he was any weaker. Carver and others liked to...what, blame the artist error, or engage in mental gymnastics to find some shred of proof that he was weaker. When there wasn't any.

But there is a thread for that, which I created. We can argue it there?

Nope.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by carver9
@Leo

I...already...gave...you...examples...Leo...

An android that was 3 times as powerful as Thor was stalemating Hulk until Hulk got passed and punched his head off.

Onslaught was fighting evenly against Hulk until Hulk got pissed and punched him so hard that Onslaught body was turned into dust.

Genis dropped Hulk with a single blast. Tried the same thing again with a more powerful blast but Hulk gets 10 times as mad and tanks Genis blast and curb stomps him?

never saw the genis scans...

and like i said, sure there are some examples, but not NEAR as many as it assumed there is, and, relative to his number of fights, almost no scans where he far exceeds an opponent by the end and just crushes someone....

i'm not really buying the pis/cis excuse for hulk though--dwarfing an opponent in strength just happens too infrequently in the middle of fights for it to be that. i can buy he'll match anyone, and maybe pass them by some small degree, but cintinually get angrier until he just smacks down anyone in a forum fight? i've not seen near enough evidence to support that stance as yet.



i've been looking. the best scans you showed are old ones, and frankly, relative to his fights, there are not very many good examples of what i was asking to see...



wut? you actually challenge this? name the five best wwh feats, i'll name the five best feats of hulk BEFORE the wwh arc and let's see whose feats are better shall we....? i'm game if you are.



by narration sure. by the intent of the plot, sure. but certainly not by feats. it's not even close tbh.



of course he was. by feats savage/incredible>mindless.

never did see scans that show hulk didn't have dynamic strength when thor stalemated him for hours though.

hulk's the strongest--that doesn't mean he auto amps to completely surpass and opponent--especially one who is nearly superman's equal in strength.

Originally posted by leonidas
never saw the genis scans...

and like i said, sure there are some examples, but not NEAR as many as it assumed there is, and, relative to his number of fights, almost no scans where he far exceeds an opponent by the end and just crushes someone....

i'm not really buying the pis/cis excuse for hulk though--dwarfing an opponent in strength just happens too infrequently in the middle of fights for it to be that. i can buy he'll match anyone, and maybe pass them by some small degree, but cintinually get angrier until he just smacks down anyone in a forum fight? i've not seen near enough evidence to support that stance as yet.



i've been looking. the best scans you showed are old ones, and frankly, relative to his fights, there are not very many good examples of what i was asking to see...



wut? you actually challenge this? name the five best wwh feats, i'll name the five best feats of hulk BEFORE the wwh arc and let's see whose feats are better shall we....? i'm game if you are.



by narration sure. by the intent of the plot, sure. but certainly not by feats. it's not even close tbh.



of course he was. by feats savage/incredible>mindless.

never did see scans that show hulk didn't have dynamic strength when thor stalemated him for hours though.

hulk's the strongest--that doesn't mean he auto amps to completely surpass and opponent--especially one who is nearly superman's equal in strength.

I posted part of it on the other page.

What examples do you need for Hulk dominating his opponents via strength amp. Let's put it like this, Hulk got pissed and literally mud stomped Jack of Heart. Hulk got pissed and mud stomps Goom. Hulk got pissed and ripped Onslaught to pieces. Hulk got pissed and punched Cryptoman head clean off. Hulk got pissed and mud stomped an amped Red Hulk. I can go with this all day but I'm trying to figure out which fights you are talking about where Hulk dynamic factor isn't a factor in combat. It usually plays a huge part and in the fights I've named, yes, they were doing good against Hulk in the beginning. If you need scans for any of these fights or if you need me to name more, let me know.

They are good examples.

Savage Hulk has better fts than WBH but no one with any kind of common sense would say Savage is above or even close to equal to Breaker, let alone WWH. You're troooooooo

Hulk dynamic strength wasn't mentioned during that Era against Thor and lol, since you're clinging to that single showing for Thor, I'm sure you'll accept this showing as well, unless you're trooooooooolllllllliiinnnnggggg....

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4675039-6054136511-stren.jpg

Posting this scan because this is either a high showing for Ironman or as you are trying to make it, this proves that Ironman and Thor are near equals in strength.

He has too many showings where he completely outclass his opponent in combat for it not to be true (and yes, it's due to his dynamic strength)...

Originally posted by carver9

you can post Thor stalemating Hulk for hours if you want too but when you post that scan, make sure you type right beside it Hulk not having dynamic strength during that era. Everyone knows this... hell, ABHI even knows this.


Originally posted by carver9
Hulk dynamic strength wasn't mentioned during that Era against Thor and lol,
Please explain.

Originally posted by carver9
I posted part of it on the other page.

What examples do you need for Hulk dominating his opponents via strength amp. Let's put it like this, Hulk got pissed and literally mud stomped Jack of Heart. Hulk got pissed and mud stomps Goom. Hulk got pissed and ripped Onslaught to pieces. Hulk got pissed and punched Cryptoman head clean off. Hulk got pissed and mud stomped an amped Red Hulk. I can go with this all day but I'm trying to figure out which fights you are talking about where Hulk dynamic factor isn't a factor in combat. It usually plays a huge part and in the fights I've named, yes, they were doing good against Hulk in the beginning. If you need scans for any of these fights or if you need me to name more, let me know.

They are good examples.

well, go ahead and show them then.



cool, so we're clear--savage has the better feats than wwh. and savage IS wwh. and wbh. so your comparison is utterly faulty. wbh's feat>savage's best though i think. no hulk ever did what wbh did.



what the hell are you talking about it wasn't mentioned?? define "era" first, but there was no point in time where hulk's strength didn't increase with anger so....no, i utterly don't believe that and you'll need to prove it.

as for thor vs hulk--the stalemate is pretty consistent with the majority of their battles throughout their careers. the fight where hulk beat him w/o hammer caused such a sh!tstorm among thor fans BECAUSE it was the first time hulk was shown clearly superior to thor. the debate raged for DECADES regarding who was the stronger of the 2. one ridiculous ironman/strawman doesn't change that basic marvel fact.



i remain unconvinced regarding my overall premise which has always been this: hulk will not consistently, and greatly, far surpass an opponent during a battle. he will rarely overwhelm an opponent. does it happen? yes. is it a given? no, not at all imo. he's failed to overwhelm juggernaut. failed to overwhelm namor. he looked terrible against ss h2h in the wwh arc. he's never overwhelmed hercules. he certainly didn't overwhelm sentry and forget the void.... will likely post a bunch of fights when i get time that show he doesn't just increase in strength and overwhelm foes. hell, even ben grimm had classic, epic battles with hulk. wasn't until recently the difference was driven home. and hulk did beat rulk--but rulk beat the hell out of hulk too....

all of that points to the fact that the team could def win this battle given how strong and versatile marvel is. i'd still call this a toss-up.

I'll post scans later but I honestly don't think it would matter looking at how you view this character. Sorry, I know what you're doing here but Hulk is still the strongest. Anyways...

We have a clear depiction that WWH>>>>Savage Hulk. You clinging to space cheese fts doesn't change this. Nothing against you Leo but your argument is kinda terrible. You might as well say Grey Hulk is stronger than Odin and no one will have a single showing to counter it. The guy destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth and yes, in the same comic it was referenced that strength is the reason it happened. This is the type or arguing you're doing here.

Now if we look at logic and common sense (especially for the people that has read WWH and HOTM) Savage Hulk fought Rulk 3 times and got steam rolled by him on every occasion. Rulk even kills him during one of their fights, choke him to sleep another fight, etc, etc... I'm sure you knew this Leo (giggles). Anyways, WWH/Green Scar shows up and not only treat Rulk like fodder. Rulk absorbs WWH power and still gets taken out with a casual thunder clap. What does this prove Leo? Here is common sense again. Savage Hulk gets worked and killed by Rulk but WWH treats Rulk like fodder. What does 1+1= ?

Also, Savage Hulk has destroyed a Universe, punched through time, over powered an Abstract, shook an infinite of dimensions in a fist fight and he is still a weakling compared to WBH. You can use cheese fts if you want but I'm not. You need to be consistent. If Savage is stronger than WWH based off of cheese fts, he is stronger than Odin, Zeus, Galactus, Darkseid, etc... let's not just limit this to versions of Hulks. Share the wealth Leo.

Like I've said, Hulk dynamic strength wasn't a commonly used ability during that Era and Hulk has always been stronger than Thor. Thor other abilities plus him just being a beast made their fights interesting. I'm sure you have other scans of Thor stalemating Hulk for hours in strength huh? Also, when I say Thor is a beast, he is a beast. Here he stalemate Kurse in a strength lock (in the same comic it was mentioned he was 4 times stronger than Thor).

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse08488.jpg

And Thor then defeats him in a physical brawl afterwards.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse09.jpg.html

Thor can hang with people stronger than him. It's what he does but again, using that showing is like me using the Ironman showing as a legit case.

He has consistently shown to overwhelm his opponents. You not being convinced or accepting this changes nothing. I know you're saying all of this because if Hulk trash Cap, he could probably trash Superman. This isn't Superman Leo so you don't have to worry. Hulk stomps.

Originally posted by carver9

Like I've said, Hulk dynamic strength wasn't a commonly used ability during that Era and
So you went from Hulk "not having dynamic strength in that era" to Hulk "dynamic strength wasn't commonly used ability during that era". Which is it? I want to see how far you walk this claim back. Plus where's the proof? Abhi is hardly a viable source for proof.

Originally posted by carver9
I'll post scans later but I honestly don't think it would matter looking at how you view this character. Sorry, I know what you're doing here but Hulk is still the strongest. Anyways...

We have a clear depiction that WWH>>>>Savage Hulk. You clinging to space cheese fts doesn't change this. Nothing against you Leo but your argument is kinda terrible. You might as well say Grey Hulk is stronger than Odin and no one will have a single showing to counter it. The guy destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth and yes, in the same comic it was referenced that strength is the reason it happened. This is the type or arguing you're doing here.

Now if we look at logic and common sense (especially for the people that has read WWH and HOTM) Savage Hulk fought Rulk 3 times and got steam rolled by him on every occasion. Rulk even kills him during one of their fights, choke him to sleep another fight, etc, etc... I'm sure you knew this Leo (giggles). Anyways, WWH/Green Scar shows up and not only treat Rulk like fodder. Rulk absorbs WWH power and still gets taken out with a casual thunder clap. What does this prove Leo? Here is common sense again. Savage Hulk gets worked and killed by Rulk but WWH treats Rulk like fodder. What does 1+1= ?

Also, Savage Hulk has destroyed a Universe, punched through time, over powered an Abstract, shook an infinite of dimensions in a fist fight and he is still a weakling compared to WBH. You can use cheese fts if you want but I'm not. You need to be consistent. If Savage is stronger than WWH based off of cheese fts, he is stronger than Odin, Zeus, Galactus, Darkseid, etc... let's not just limit this to versions of Hulks. Share the wealth Leo.

Like I've said, Hulk dynamic strength wasn't a commonly used ability during that Era and Hulk has always been stronger than Thor. Thor other abilities plus him just being a beast made their fights interesting. I'm sure you have other scans of Thor stalemating Hulk for hours in strength huh? Also, when I say Thor is a beast, he is a beast. Here he stalemate Kurse in a strength lock (in the same comic it was mentioned he was 4 times stronger than Thor).

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse08488.jpg

And Thor then defeats him in a physical brawl afterwards.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse09.jpg.html

Thor can hang with people stronger than him. It's what he does but again, using that showing is like me using the Ironman showing as a legit case.

He has consistently shown to overwhelm his opponents. You not being convinced or accepting this changes nothing. I know you're saying all of this because if Hulk trash Cap, he could probably trash Superman. This isn't Superman Leo so you don't have to worry. Hulk stomps.

superman?



are you kidding me....? THAT is the "agenda" you so cleverly sniffed out?

and i love how you say hulk has always been stronger than thor, but say in the same instant thor can hang with anyone.... do you even know the history of the characters?? lol for DECADES it was a question in marvel and asked in comics who was the stronger. recent depictions and your denial don't change that fact in the slightest. it was a question partly because of scenes like this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98379/2070381-3a3a071a9d58c8738618bff9.jpg

so in all those defenders issues he never got stronger?? lol yeah, right.

anyway, given your detective skills and your obvious ability to ferret out agendas, it's not surprising your take on this issue. scans coming when i get the chance,

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So you went from Hulk "not having dynamic strength in that era" to Hulk "dynamic strength wasn't commonly used ability during that era". Which is it? I want to see how far you walk this claim back. Plus where's the proof? Abhi is hardly a viable source for proof.

It wasn't a commonly known ability back then and I'm not using ABHI as a reference for this either.

Originally posted by leonidas
superman?



are you kidding me....? THAT is the "agenda" you so cleverly sniffed out?

and i love how you say hulk has always been stronger than thor, but say in the same instant thor can hang with anyone.... do you even know the history of the characters?? lol for DECADES it was a question in marvel and asked in comics who was the stronger. recent depictions and your denial don't change that fact in the slightest. it was a question partly because of scenes like this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98379/2070381-3a3a071a9d58c8738618bff9.jpg

so in all those defenders issues he never got stronger?? lol yeah, right.

anyway, given your detective skills and your obvious ability to ferret out agendas, it's not surprising your take on this issue. scans coming when i get the chance,

I have the nose of a tiger Leo. Trust me, I know bro, I know.

He has always been stronger than Thor. Hell, back then he was referenced (and still is) as the most powerful being on the planet. I know versatility had little to no reason to be the cause of that.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't a commonly known ability back then and I'm not using ABHI as a reference for this either.
So basically you have no proof to back your original claim of Hulk not having dynamic strength during the stalemate...

Your stance is highly dubious considering Hulk is synonymous with having dynamic strength no matter what era. If Superman fought someone and he didn't use heat vision,is the claim that Superman did not have hv during that era viable?

I have seen the writer state he didn't consider Hulks dynamic strength during that scene, and that it was purely him viewing Hulk and Thor as strength (and stamina) peers in that moment. Not Hulks "ever increasing strength" and against Thors.

Link it

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I have seen the writer state he didn't consider Hulks dynamic strength during that scene, and that it was purely him viewing Hulk and Thor as strength (and stamina) peers in that moment. Not Hulks "ever increasing strength" and against Thors.
Did his dynamic strength disappear during "that era"?


Btw that supposed statement doesn't actually help Hulk's case here.. That actually is worse for him considering that the writer as you claim didn't even consider his "dynamic strength" and basically put both of them on equal footing when it comes to strength/stamina.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I have seen the writer state he didn't consider Hulks dynamic strength during that scene, and that it was purely him viewing Hulk and Thor as strength (and stamina) peers in that moment. Not Hulks "ever increasing strength" and against Thors.

ODG posted it a while back but I can't find the link.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did his dynamic strength disappear during "that era"?


Btw that supposed statement doesn't actually help Hulk's case here.. That actually is worse for him considering that the writer as you claim didn't even consider his "dynamic strength" and basically put both of them on equal footing when it comes to strength/stamina.

How does that hurt Hulk if he was able to stalemate Thor for hours without using his amping capabilities?

Originally posted by carver9
How does that hurt Hulk if he was able to stalemate Thor for hours without using his amping capabilities?
Before you ask this question, how about you answer first. Where is your proof that Hulk did not have dynamic strength during "that era"?

If hulk has dynamic strength how does he ever get stalemated? Not saying he doesn't mind u...jus curious

Originally posted by Sin I AM
If hulk has dynamic strength how does he ever get stalemated? Not saying he doesn't mind u...jus curious

Thor keeps trying harder and harder.

But realistically Hulk's strength would be up and down.

It's impossible to get angrier infinitely. At some point your anger abates or you suffer some sort of breakdown.

This, to me, has always been the greatest lie that Hulk maniacs tend to tell themselves. The Hulk doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier, no, he is inifinitely strong.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor keeps trying harder and harder.

But realistically Hulk's strength would be up and down.

It's impossible to get angrier infinitely. At some point your anger abates or you suffer some sort of breakdown.

This, to me, has always been the greatest lie that Hulk maniacs tend to tell themselves. The Hulk doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier, no, he is inifinitely strong.

Good post...i honestly dont mind the dynamic thing. It actually makes him a contender against those with varied power sets. I just dont like the whole infinite thing. It doesnt make sense even given the fan service of HOTM. But then again this is comics a gls willpower can do wonderous things so i dont see y anger cant be as constant.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good post...i honestly dont mind the dynamic thing. It actually makes him a contender against those with varied power sets. I just dont like the whole infinite thing. It doesnt make sense even given the fan service of HOTM. But then again this is comics a gls willpower can do wonderous things so i dont see y anger cant be as constant.

I liked the approach in Planet Hulk where, as I understood it, meditation helped him retain his anger. It felt like a natural evolution for the character.

But then we ended up with the shitfest that was WWH, and it kept getting worse and worse.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Before you ask this question, how about you answer first. Where is your proof that Hulk did not have dynamic strength during "that era"?

I already said I'm trying to find that source and yes, it exists because it has been posted before.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good post...i honestly dont mind the dynamic thing. It actually makes him a contender against those with varied power sets. I just dont like the whole infinite thing. It doesnt make sense even given the fan service of HOTM. But then again this is comics a gls willpower can do wonderous things so i dont see y anger cant be as constant.

It has been outright said in comics that Hulk anger is limitless along with his strength. It's comics so things like this might not be accepted in real world but again, this is comics.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
If hulk has dynamic strength how does he ever get stalemated? Not saying he doesn't mind u...jus curious

Who stalemated him?

Originally posted by krisblaze
I liked the approach in Planet Hulk where, as I understood it, meditation helped him retain his anger. It felt like a natural evolution for the character.

But then we ended up with the shitfest that was WWH, and it kept getting worse and worse.

Yea it was briefly explored in the live action with Norton hulk. I thought that was some damn good research. It's always cool to see him going all out. Splash pages are what drives revenue these days. But it's nothing like character development and a fluent plot. Which seperates events from good stories.

But on topic though. Billy has consistently been portrayed as a peer to Clark. Dont want to make this a superman thread but it is what it is. He has the feats to compete especially when he doesn't have to power share. He's also a character who rarely ever "cuts loose". Add in AM (whose being lowballed to non existence in this thread) they should take a solid majority

Originally posted by carver9
It has been outright said in comics that Hulk anger is limitless along with his strength. It's comics so things like this might not be accepted in real world but again, this is comics.

You should know by now that "limitless" should be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone from Iceman to Ryu has limitless potential.

S/n i was actually making an argument FOR hulk fyi

Not based off Hulk punching fts they are not stalemating. Cap is good but he has never stood up to the power Hulk dishes out in his blows.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You should know by now that "limitless" should be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone from Iceman to Ryu has limitless potential.

S/n i was actually making an argument FOR hulk fyi

How many times should it be said that Hulk power is limitless before we can accept it. Especially given we have as of yet to see a limit for the character. We just don't place an established Cap on a character if it has never been displayed.

Being potentially limitless with power is different than having limitless power. Hulk has limitless power.

Yes, back on topic.

CM has an advantage in almost every field.

He has speed far beyond anything the Hulk can muster up.

His strength and durability outperforms most incarnations of regular Hulk.

He has "superhuman" fighting skill, which we rarely get to see but are still decidedly there as displayed in trials of shazam.

Cosmic awareness/planning/whatever through wisdom of solomon.

There is no way Captain Marvel loses this.

And then there's Aquaman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111230790/4702011-the+planet+shake+when+the+hulk+fights.jpg

Within the past 1 and a half, Hulk has shaken the planet in battle 4 times. Cap is getting knocked the he'll out in this battle.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, back on topic.

CM has an advantage in almost every field.

He has speed far beyond anything the Hulk can muster up.

His strength and durability outperforms most incarnations of regular Hulk.

He has "superhuman" fighting skill, which we rarely get to see but are still decidedly there as displayed in trials of shazam.

Cosmic awareness/planning/whatever through wisdom of solomon.

There is no way Captain Marvel loses this.

And then there's Aquaman.

You're the same guy that said Ironman could pull a majority against Hulk. Of course you'll think Cap could beat Hulk. Also, Hulk knows Martial arts and has used it recently in combat.

Originally posted by carver9
I already said I'm trying to find that source and yes, it exists because it has been posted before.
Hmm.. Interesting that there's actually proof of Hulk having no dynamic strength during that era.... This I gotta see.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hmm.. Interesting that there's actually proof of Hulk having no dynamic strength during that era.... This I gotta see.

You should always believe in me.

These days Hulk doesn't generally run into people as strong as himself, and fights like those epic battles with Thor from decades ago don't come along very often.

Hulks last big fight was probably against Red Hulk as Doc Green? It was back and forth until Hulk got angry and overpowered Red Hulk stomping him. His amping generally comes into play in long, drawn out fights, or when he performs feats of strength. This will be a long fight and Hulk WILL amp, when that happens chances of team winning get slimmer by the second.

Originally posted by carver9
Not based off Hulk punching fts they are not stalemating. Cap is good but he has never stood up to the power Hulk dishes out in his blows.

Read more Captain Marvel and if you are familiar with the character try being less biased.

Originally posted by carver9
How many times should it be said that Hulk power is limitless before we can accept it. Especially given we have as of yet to see a limit for the character. We just don't place an established Cap on a character if it has never been displayed.

Being potentially limitless with power is different than having limitless power. Hulk has limitless power.

Tons of character have limitless power. The phrasing changes nothing.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Read more Captain Marvel and if you are familiar with the character try being less biased.



Tons of character have limitless power. The phrasing changes nothing.

Read everything with Captain in it. I'm guessing you can tell me some of those fights that proves Cap can beat an unleashed Hulk? Per ABHI, Cap fights against Superman was a Superman holding back his power.

Name me these characters that have unlimited strength? Also, do you have scans of these characters being said to have unlimited power? Talking about Heralds and below. You can include Trans tiers as well if you want.

Also, you said Hulk doesn't have unlimited anger in which I corrected since he does have that. You also said Hulk have a strength Cap. I'm just asking you for evidence instead of you saying "no he doesnt" or "yes he does".