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Take it from a staunch Dooku fanboy, but something that I was just shown on my Dooku RT was, well, this:



It's a 2010 quote, for reference.

Thoughts?

There are quotes like this in Dooku's favour I'm pretty sure.

Mace > Dooku was a thing for me since I joined CV around 2014.

They might have been equal before Dooku went Sith, but their comparative showings and Mace's real power surfacing in Palpatine fight was all I needed to believe Mace > Dooku most definitely. Mace was quite clearly the superior one for me for a long time.

Palpatine fight is obviously a very specific case, but either way, Mace didn't have an external amp, a nexus, connection with somebody else, or anything like that. It was something that came within him, even though he would probably never replicate that showing to such an extent.

The quote is not much news for me. I always held Mace in a higher regard.

Hell, Thame Cerulian believes Dooku to be the greatest duelist ever, despite witnessing Yoda in action.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Hell, Thame Cerulian believes Dooku to be the greatest duelist ever, despite witnessing Yoda in action.

Bondara's students claimed the same of him despite possibly witnessing Yoda as well. I think it's fair to say that these sorts of impressions are flawed.

Yoda's canonically the best duelist in the Order, bar none.



And no, I haven't found any quotes after 2010 in Dooku's favor... yet.

I love Mace and Dooku so I honestly don't care which is better. But ehh I'm gonna stick with them as equals, it's better that way.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
I love Mace and Dooku so I honestly don't care which is better. But ehh I'm gonna stick with them as equals, it's better that way.

pretty sure this only confirms mace as the superior lightsaber duelist. their force abilities are still debatable.

Nova, what kind of source is this? Trading cards, sourcebook, visual guide, insider article, fact file?

@ aaylasecura. Look, their force abilities are pretty equal too. Dooku has more variety, but Mace's augmentation is arguably better

Originally posted by aalyasecura95
pretty sure this only confirms mace as the superior lightsaber duelist. their force abilities are still debatable.

Of course.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nova, what kind of source is this? Trading cards, sourcebook, visual guide, insider article, fact file?

It's a magazine, so something to the effect of Insider, I suppose.

The same magazine published a quote in 2009 claiming that Dooku could equal Mace, but this being a later source would be a retcon of that. Unfortunately.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nova, what kind of source is this? Trading cards, sourcebook, visual guide, insider article, fact file?

can u even google, type in the name of the source from OP

Your link came up as an error, you mountebank.

because kmc adds some retarded </br> if the link is too long

Not my problem. Don't fail me again.

instead of asking questions like you dont know how to use google.com

I'm lazy. Sue* me.

then kill self no help will be given if u're too lazy for ****ing google but can type shitpost instead

actually wait, i can offer help in going an

Shitposts are effortless.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Take it from a staunch Dooku fanboy, but something that I was just shown on my Dooku RT was, well, this:



It's a 2010 quote, for reference.

Thoughts?

This looks like it's referring to Jedi Dooku tbh.

what happened to mr idgaf about quotes

Wait..... People thought Dooku was greater or equal to Windu ??

Originally posted by NewGuy01
what happened to mr idgaf about quotes

Contradicted quotes. For uncertain issues such as Vitiate and Nihilus a quote will sway me as will a quote regarding Mace and Dooku given they're peers.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
This looks like it's referring to Jedi Dooku tbh.
I think so too.

Brb, getting a cup for Wollf's tears.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait..... People thought Dooku was greater or equal to Windu ??




People thought Maul was greater or equal to Vader?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait..... People thought Dooku was greater or equal to Windu ??




Haha remember when Maul got beaten by a padawan, twice.

Originally posted by Kurk
People thought Maul was greater or equal to Vader?




Maul is. The evidence supports my claims. Your butthurt is legendary.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Haha remember when Maul got beaten by a padawan, twice. Who did Vader beat that is impressive ? Let's hear it, nerd.

Not inclined to believe this source takes precedence over Dark Rendevous or various other sources, but Mace probably is the better duelist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who did Vader beat that is impressive ? Let's hear it, nerd.
Ben Kenobi, Ashoka, Muur-empowered Celeste Morne. And he statlemated RotJ Luke in Sabers.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Ben Kenobi, Ashoka, Muur-empowered Celeste Morne. And he statlemated RotJ Luke in Sabers. Ben dropped his guard. He was well past his prime and Vader was unable to penetrate his defenses.

Tano wrecked his face. Facially ****ed him. That's a win to you ?? Pathetic.

Who ??

Luke crushed him in sabers. You're obviously a liar and a Vader fanboy since I've corrected you on the context multiple times in one post.

Not news to me at all. Mace >Dooku should be obvious, lal.

Razer, that is Jedi!Dooku.

If it's Jedi Dooku it's pre-Haruun Kal Windu.

Well it's Jedi Dooku because it's talking about Jedi that the Order produced. Assuredly it's not referring to Dooku as a Sith Lord who was stated to have grown far more powerful.

It makes no mention of Windu's incarnation and since RotS had come out 5 years before it can be assumed it's referring to his prime in RotS.

Dooku would've been experiencing a considerably larger and more continuous power-growth than Mace, however, seeing as how by AotC as per Insider he's outclassing Mace(along with any other Jedi besides Yoda), and then later gaining even more power by RotS.

This is further backed up by Mace and Dooku have basically been confirmed as having a similar aptitude and talent, but Dooku had more time to hone it and with more resources, hence he would've improved more.

Your denial is unhealthy.

You looking in a mirror, Zoltan?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Well it's Jedi Dooku because it's talking about Jedi that the Order produced. Assuredly it's not referring to Dooku as a Sith Lord who was stated to have grown far more powerful.

It makes no mention of Windu's incarnation and since RotS had come out 5 years before it can be assumed it's referring to his prime in RotS. No lol, pick a context and stick with it. If its referring to Dooku within the contexts of being a Jedi, then it must be referring to Windu within those same contexts. And what has the release date of RotS got to do with anything? Lmao.

Beni...

Originally posted by MythLord
Dooku would've been experiencing a considerably larger and more continuous power-growth than Mace, however, seeing as how by AotC as per Insider he's outclassing Mace(along with any other Jedi besides Yoda), and then later gaining even more power by RotS, I don't think Mace would be his rival/superior without a seriously substantial power increase, that negates Dooku's completely... which isn't really the case.

This is further backed up by Mace and Dooku have basically been confirmed as having a similar aptitude and talent, but Dooku had more time to hone it and with more resources, hence he would've improved more.

As I say, there are plenty of conflicting statements on this matter, but Windu just appears to be better.

In Disney canon, perhaps, but in the EU the sources seem to favour the Count.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No lol, pick a context and stick with it. If its referring to Dooku within the contexts of being a Jedi, then it must be referring to Windu within those same contexts. And what has the release date of RotS got to do with anything? Lmao.

IIRC Mace was still a Jedi in RotS...

At which point Dooku as not, right. I mean the context in which they were both Jedi.

Windu has always been better.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
At which point Dooku as not, right. I mean the context in which they were both Jedi.

Yoda taught many pupils throughout his years, including Dooku, who became one of the finest sword masters the Order EVER produced - eclipsed ONLY by Mace Windu and Yoda himself.

It doesn't seem to be limiting the accolade to Dooku's time in the temple.

Then it's referring to him in his prime as a Sith Lord, and Windu as of RotS.

Checkmate, you losur.

I think what Syndicate is getting at would be something along the lines of: "A was one of the most powerful Jedi ever, eclipsed only by B" but B lives in another era than A.

Like only beings like Mace and Yoda, in their primes, eclipsed Jedi Dooku. mmm

But nah, it's probably just Jedi!Dooku and pre-Haruun Kal Mace, but my point about their respective power-growths still stand.

Except that would imply Dooku does not exist within said era, he does. It just wouldn't make sense for the statement to apply different contexts to each character.

And within Legends perhaps, but when you account for Canon sources i.e. TCW and the PT trilogy. Mace is better.

Windu's position in the new Canon is still uncertain. It's a great pitty, that SoD wasn't a part of TCW. His duel with Maul on screen could be very helpful.

Dooku on the other hand, is somehow supported by SoD itself. Sidious states, that Talzin has not Dooku's skills short before he stomps her. Mace on the other hand, was unable to do that. I also feel, that Sidious had far greater advantage over Maul then Mace.

Strongest argument for Mace always was - in my opinion - the fact, that lucas said, that you have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with Sidious. But Lucas also said, that Vader and Kenobi were just a shadows of their former selfs, which should put Vader below most of PT's combatants. And there are those Gillard's levels. But if we are going to accept them, we should also accept, that Kenobi was "aggressive" type of duelist, which would ruin that concept of him as The Master of Soresu.

In that new canon, I would say that only one thing is sure: Sidious and Yoda are far above the rest. Mace, Dooku, Anakin, Vader and Talzin are inferior at some points.
Vader for example, has a lot of hype, but his showings against other Force users are not that impressive.

Originally posted by MythLord
seeing as how by AotC as per Insider he's outclassing Mace(along with any other Jedi besides Yoda).

Are you talking about this?

http://puu.sh/r7P66/8db175c132.jpg

If you do then lmao.

Laugh all you want, it's an official source

Originally posted by McP
But if we are going to accept them, we should also accept, that Kenobi was "aggressive" type of duelist, which would ruin that concept of him as The Master of Soresu.

He told, that if anything would be the downfall of Kenobi, it would be his aggression. Pretty legitimate considering his true mastery resided in Soresu and going on the offensive would be terrible for him.

By AotC, Dooku doen't need quotes that put him above Windu. His feats are enough

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Windu has always been better.

What has AotC Windu, what makes him >AotC Dooku?

Originally posted by MythLord
Laugh all you want, it's an official source

Yes, but it doesn't even begin to imply what you think.

"Outclass almost any opponent, except for Yoda" Seems pretty clear cut.

Nearly any =/= every. Which Anakin proven when he ****ed Dooku nonconsensually.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Nearly any =/= every. Which Anakin proven when he ****ed Dooku nonconsensually.
This quote is from AotC Time
@CharlieJolson Why and who?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Nearly any =/= every. Which Anakin proven when he ****ed Dooku nonconsensually.

This quote is as of the time of AotC, so I have no idea why you bring up Skywalker beating Dooku in RotS mmm

And Yoda's listed as an exception to it; I'd assume it'd be "aside from Yoda and Mace" or "Yoda and Anakin" or just leaving it at "nearly any" if it was the case that he isn't, by AotC, superior to any Jedi besides Yoda.

Really, leaving it at "equals" seems like the best decision.

Originally posted by MythLord
This quote is as of the time of AotC, so I have no idea why you bring up Skywalker beating Dooku in RotS mmm

And Yoda's listed as an exception to it; I'd assume it'd be "aside from Yoda and Mace" or "Yoda and Anakin" or just leaving it at "nearly any" if it was the case that he isn't, by AotC, superior to any Jedi besides Yoda. Guess he beats Sidious then yeah.

Yeah, equals is the best. Or feats -in which Dooku is better -

Why do people even take Jack seriously when he has more socks than Footlocker, lmao.

Originally posted by MythLord
This quote is as of the time of AotC, so I have no idea why you bring up Skywalker beating Dooku in RotS mmm

And Yoda's listed as an exception to it; I'd assume it'd be "aside from Yoda and Mace" or "Yoda and Anakin" or just leaving it at "nearly any" if it was the case that he isn't, by AotC, superior to any Jedi besides Yoda.

Lmao. Right...that's why his death is referenced at the start of the paragraph.

Is there any more reaching you'd like to do?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Then it's referring to him in his prime as a Sith Lord, and Windu as of RotS.

Checkmate, you losur.

But it's referencing the sword masters that the Order Dooku was no longer apart of the order post TPM.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Lmao. Right...that's why his death is referenced at the start of the paragraph.

Is there any more reaching you'd like to do?

Huzzah, it references what age he died... The article itself mostly focuses on the events of AotC, though. Not that this accolade is really that key an accolade for Dooku being better than Mace.

Still, to assume that one character > another only due to one quote is a bit dumb.
In that way of thinking, we could argue, that Vader > Sidious. He's - as I remember - stated to be the best "red saber wielder" and there is a quote, that is saying that Ahsoka can match Vader and Sidious blow to blow.
There are just better and worse sources. Movies/TCW/Rebels are the most reliable sources in the new canon at this moment.

Originally posted by MythLord
Huzzah, it references what age he died... The article itself mostly focuses on the events of AotC, though. Not that this accolade is really that key an accolade for Dooku being better than Mace.

So you want more reaching then, nice. At least try to be better at it. The article is about his whole life, starting from pre-AotC until his death in RotS.

Out of 10 paragraphs 2 is about AotC. But sure it mostly focuses on AotC

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Windu has always been better.

Love how everything comes down to semantics.

Well. DR kinda confirmed that Mace would win yes?

However in a place where the count can draw on the Dark Side he would solidly outclass Mace, correct?

Well I think that while Mace be the superior duelist due to his mastery of this new form and his own refinement of the Seven Styles does give him an edge against the Count in a neutral setting., this of course being all due to Vaapads mechanics of constant movement and drawing on the energies of others. The count would nevertheless press him in every engagement they would have, mostly due to Counts own mastery of Combat.

That said, Mace being the last living practitioner of Vaapad, a form Dooku has no real knowledge of, does give him a significant edge when dueling an equally refined but far older adversary like Dooku.

Tl;dr

Mace is >Dooku because of game mechanics

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Well. DR kinda confirmed that Mace would win yes?

No?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No?

Ya sure? I remember reading Yoda saying something about a fight on neutral grounds would end in windus favor?

Dark Rendezvous? Pretty sure it says that on neutral ground Windu "might" be Dooku's equal.

Which the Dooku cocksuckers think means that perhaps not even Mace can beat Dooku, instead of perhaps not just Mace can beat him. The latter is more likely since I'm pretty sure half a year before RotS Anakin can arleady murk Dooku.

Well, the fallout here has been.... interesting.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
That said, Mace being the last living practitioner of Vaapad, a form Dooku has no real knowledge of, does give him a significant edge when dueling an equally refined but far older adversary like Dooku.

Wut now? Dooku knows Vaapad, this is confirmed lol.

Well, Dooku was familiar with Vaapad when he fought with Sora Bulq.

Very true. I also don't see why Mace suddenly being ahead of Jedi!Dooku means that he's better by RotS, but hey... Mace supporters need something :shrugs:

It doesn't. I'm just putting the quote up.

One could argue that they both improved after TPM, which is fact, but of course, not necessarily in the same quantity. Which is why in Y: DR, Yoda claims that Mace was only an equal of Dooku, not better.

DarthDuelist9 just brought up a point on Comic Vine - there's a way of looking at this. The quote kind of implies that Dooku, as a Jedi, was the best duelist ever in the history of the Order, bar Yoda and Mace. Ergo, he's the third best duelist, Mace is second, and Yoda was the best ever.

Actually, sources only say that they're "considered" equals. And people "consider" Anoon Bondara to be unparalleled, "consider" Cin Drallig to be unparalleled, etc.

Regardless, your point is fair.

Originally posted by SunRazer
DarthDuelist9 just brought up a point on Comic Vine - there's a way of looking at this. The quote kind of implies that Dooku, as a Jedi, was the best duelist ever in the history of the Order, bar Yoda and Mace. Ergo, he's the third best duelist, Mace is second, and Yoda was the best ever.
Interesting...which is it?

The very quote I posted in the OP of this thread, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
DarthDuelist9 just brought up a point on Comic Vine - there's a way of looking at this. The quote kind of implies that Dooku, as a Jedi, was the best duelist ever in the history of the Order, bar Yoda and Mace. Ergo, he's the third best duelist, Mace is second, and Yoda was the best ever.

Well we know that can't be true because Anakin beat him, right?

Depends on what it means in the context of "swords master".

'K then xD

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, Dooku was familiar with Vaapad when he fought with Sora Bulq.

Ah good point.

Well the point still stands, Maces loop kinda gives him an edge.

These Retcons confuse me tbh

A loop that only worked once in his life, in a hightened state of being against the very essence of the Dark Side...

I feel Sidious is more an exception, not the rule.

Dooku > Windu.

Originally posted by Nephthys


Dooku > Windu.

I don't mind either mentality Tbh lol both would still kick the ass of mid carders