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Both at peak.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/TH_zpsurdmynfo.jpg

vs

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/LN_zpswzidlz6p.jpg

Tim.

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It's tied 1-1. Be interesting on the reasoning.

Timothy Hunter from DC? Should be a interesting fight. Based on what little I know about him, he can be quite the hax.

Yeah, he was creating like thousands upon thousands of universes without even knowing it. I'd like to hear what Op thinks. He has a lot of knowledge on him.

Harry Potter and Hedwig win

Originally posted by Zack M
Yeah, he was creating like thousands upon thousands of universes without even knowing it.
scans?

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I've never seen those feats you posted, Id. Can't view the scans atm, but if indeed Legion destroyed/remade the 616 multiverse that easily, he does win.

Originally posted by Zack M
Yeah, he was creating like thousands upon thousands of universes without even knowing it. I'd like to hear what Op thinks. He has a lot of knowledge on him. That wasn't even peak Tim, yet he still spawned a thousand different universes/realities as a subconscious afterthought.

Peak Tim is when he became the Merlin.

Was the Merlin an artifact?

The Merlin is a status/role.

http://i.imgur.com/0xlVJGD.jpg

OP stated that as the song of creation, he was able to unmake/remake all of creation. Is that just universal or multiversal?

Originally posted by Galan007
The Merlin is a status/role.

http://i.imgur.com/0xlVJGD.jpg

Harry poter got an upgrade.

It could be interpreted as the multiverse, sure. Vertigo tends to use the terms universe and multiverse interchangeably, anyway.

Or Omniverse. Just like when Phantom Stranger fought Spectre and God said their fight could have destroyed ALL of creation, which equaled an Omniverse.

That's DC... More specifically, DCnU.

The Books of Magic = Vertigo = multiverse.

Originally posted by operator616
I remember that i initially disagreed wit your interpretation of Legion's last feat in a previous thread. The way i read it was that Legion simply erased himself and all his influence from existence, it just didn't make sense to me that he destroyed/re-created the whole multiverse just to erase himself. But i do keep an open mind, upon re-looking at the scene, i can see how you reached that conclusion and on panel illustration do seem to support your view.

Anyway, here's the timothy scans.

http://i.imgur.com/cpIaSXf.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/8NA6oQY.jpg?1

as the 1st scan shows, tim creates alternate worlds/universes, by splitting off his emotions, creating an alternate tim which represents this emotion, and an entire universe in the process.......second scan shows that there are thousand of worlds that he spawned.

Im assuming you'll want confirmation that these are universes and not merely worlds/planets, because it was never directly stated that tim created a thousand universes, it was always referred to as worlds.

name of magic: confirms that tim saved not just one dimension (the main one) but many others (which were his creations):

http://i.imgur.com/gN3UCTw.jpg?1

proving that what tim created, is dimensions, which are = universes.

On panel, an alternate tim, destroys an entire reality (proving that those alternate worlds, are in fact whole realities):

http://i.imgur.com/dcY7KVP.jpg?1

the impressive part about this is also that each of those alternate tims have a portion of the real tim's magic, and the real tim never even noticed that his power diminished. So it's reasonable to say that tim created those universes with a small fraction of his power.

Also, i remember that Tim also nullified a spell that was creating universes out of paintings.

Thanks, but can Tim (As Merlin) unmake/make all of creation? Is all of creation just ONE universe or ALL universe within the DC/Vertigo Multiverse?

Originally posted by Zack M
Thanks, but can Tim (As Merlin) unmake/make all of creation? Is all of creation just ONE universe or ALL universe within the DC/Vertigo Multiverse?

Yes he can, potentially. Remember that he created all those realities unknowingly, and a part of his power was torn from him with each reality created. Yet, he didn't even feel the difference. That speak volumes about his power level.

It's like Galan said and what we've said multiple times previously -- Vertigo doesn't use the multiverse terminology. But it is a multiverse nonetheless. For example here, the white school is stated to spread across many worlds and dimensions (as in, universes).

http://imgur.com/qOL0gqo

But then when referring to the whole of creation (which God/Logoz created) the very next issue, it is referred to simply as "the universe".

http://imgur.com/QQPzDWC

Hey,

Do you have the scans of Tim owning the Spectre? I read that Evil Tim destroyed all the mages across the world.

Also, who are you going with here?

He did destroy all the mages in a potential future in the original books of magic, issue #4 iirc. The Spectre was also shown to have been destroyed by Tim in a brief panel. And at the time the potential future was shown without Tim ever becoming the merlin. So Tim is even more powerful than that. Ill put up the scan later on.

It could go either way, an argument can be made on either side. Their feats are on the same level imo.

Originally posted by operator616
He did destroy all the mages in a potential future in the original books of magic, issue #4 iirc. The Spectre was also shown to have been destroyed by Tim in a brief panel. And at the time the potential future was shown without Tim ever becoming the merlin. So Tim is even more powerful than that. Ill put up the scan later on.

It could go either way, an argument can be made on either side. Their feats are on the same level imo.

The Books of Magic happens in the same DCU, right? Especially with Phantom Stranger and Constantine in the books.

Originally posted by Zack M
The Books of Magic happens in the same DCU, right? Especially with Phantom Stranger and Constantine in the books.

Sometimes it appears it does, other time it doesn't. Vertigo is very inconsistent when it comes to that sort of thing.

Anyway, the scan you requested.

http://imgur.com/dZMiiCq

Originally posted by Zack M
The Books of Magic happens in the same DCU, right? Especially with Phantom Stranger and Constantine in the books. Lucifer and Sandman also featured characters explicitly from 'mainstream' DC, but they still very much took place within the Vertigo-verse. This is also the case with The Books of Magic, imo.

Bump

Vertigo verse is the DCU.