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An interesting article:

http://townhall.com/columnists/davidlegates/2016/09/21/the-experiment--capitalism-versus-socialism-n2221242

The Experiment: Capitalism versus Socialism

This is a lie.

Anyone with half a mind knows that eastern Germany was absolutely starved for money and resources compared to western Germany.

The US actually funneled money into Germany and used that together with the marshall "aid" to get a financial foothold in Europe. Russia, however, completely starved eastern Germany.

You don't really have to do a comparison. One is inherently better than the other.

Originally posted by krisblaze
This is a lie.
LOL
Originally posted by krisblaze

The US actually funneled money into Germany and used that together with the marshall "aid" to get a financial foothold in Europe.
Marshall's plan is well-known. However, Erhards capitalist reforms are given the credit for the economic miracle that made West Germany a success.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Russia, however, completely starved eastern Germany.
Yet, each economy in the satelite Soviet states was on its own. They simply could not sustain an economy based on the socialist standards.

Also, if that was indeed the only reaoson why Eastern Germany's socialism failed, then all the more proof that centralized economy (where Russia is the center and East Germany is the periphery) is a mess.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
You don't really have to do a comparison. One is inherently better than the other.

Originally posted by Stigma
LOL

Marshall's plan is well-known. However, Erhards capitalist reforms are given the credit for the economic miracle that made West Germany a success.


Yet, each economy in the satelite Soviet states was on its own. They simply could not sustain an economy based on the socialist standards.

Also, if that was indeed the only reaoson why Eastern Germany's socialism failed, then all the more proof that centralized economy (where Russia is the center and East Germany is the periphery) is a mess.

It's an idiotic comparison.

One had a surplus of resources, another did not.

Russia also made off with a large part of Germany's infrastructure (some of it went to Poland even) and made a list of sweeping changes that were neither capitalistic nor communistic.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It's an idiotic comparison.

One had a surplus of resources, another did not.

Russia also made off with a large part of Germany's infrastructure (some of it went to Poland even) and made a list of sweeping changes that were neither capitalistic nor communistic.

This is all true.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It's an idiotic comparison.
Not at all. It just makes socialism look like a failure it is.

Originally posted by krisblaze
One had a surplus of resources, another did not.
Then you probably do not know a lot about the state of post-war Europe.

Also, West Germany retained it's economic independence, so they had to think for themselves and do with their own resources.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Russia also made off with a large part of Germany's infrastructure (some of it went to Poland even)
To be precise, Russia also took Poland's infrastructure (which went to it's puppet, Ukrainian SSR) and 1/3 of Polish pre-war territory.

Then imposed their puppet governmnets all over East Europe. In short, socialists were jerks.

Originally posted by krisblaze
and made a list of sweeping changes that were neither capitalistic nor communistic.
That's a peculiar statement. The governing principles of the East block were socialist, while in the West, capitalist.

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Not a funny one, unless you count how bad it makes Obama look by comparison...

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Originally posted by Flyattractor
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Owned.

You could say East Germany was as bad as Poland.

One of the key criteria behind a successful scientific experiment is the control for confounding variables. Of course, there are immeasurable confounding variables with respect to comparing these two economies that neither you nor the article you probably couldn't understand adjust for. Strike one.

Another key criteria? Consistent replicability. It's interesting that you forgo trying to do a more holistic comparison of the two and instead cherry pick one of the most chaotic, with respect to the number of meddling variables involved, dichotomies to try to bolster your pathetic argument. I could just as easily pick France and compare it to Mexico - I mean, France is a lot more socialist than Mexico, and it happens to be much more prosperous, so that must mean there's causation there, right?

Just stop it. You're embarrassing by example the cerebral abilities that allow articles like these to exist in the first place.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
One of the key criteria behind a successful scientific experiment is the control for confounding variables. Of course, there are immeasurable confounding variables with respect to comparing these two economies that neither you nor the article you probably couldn't understand adjust for. Strike one.

Another key criteria? Consistent replicability. It's interesting that you forgo trying to do a more holistic comparison of the two and instead cherry pick one of the most chaotic, with respect to the number of meddling variables involved, dichotomies to try to bolster your pathetic argument. I could just as easily pick France and compare it to Mexico - I mean, France is a lot more socialist than Mexico, and it happens to be much more prosperous, so that must mean there's causation there, right?

Just stop it. You're embarrassing by example the cerebral abilities that allow articles like these to exist in the first place. What?

Originally posted by Its2016
You could say East Germany was as bad as Poland. Indeed. One could also argue that the further East you'd move, the worst it was during the Soviet socialist regime.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
One of the key criteria behind a successful scientific experiment is the control for confounding variables. Of course, there are immeasurable confounding variables with respect to comparing these two economies that neither you nor the article you probably couldn't understand adjust for. Strike one.

Another key criteria? Consistent replicability. It's interesting that you forgo trying to do a more holistic comparison of the two and instead cherry pick one of the most chaotic, with respect to the number of meddling variables involved, dichotomies to try to bolster your pathetic argument. I could just as easily pick France and compare it to Mexico - I mean, France is a lot more socialist than Mexico, and it happens to be much more prosperous, so that must mean there's causation there, right?

Just stop it. You're embarrassing by example the cerebral abilities that allow articles like these to exist in the first place.
^ This is what happens when you try to sound smart, but you aren't too bright.

Originally posted by Stigma
^ This is what happens when you want to try smart, but you aren't too bright.

Trying to wiggle out of your incompetence by throwing out a one-liner instead of actually responding to my points? How original.

Originally posted by Stigma
Indeed. One could also argue that the further East you'd move, the worst it was during the Soviet socialist regime. Ukraine is like Poland's Poland.

I imagine the baltics are pretty cool. How bad was Russia? I find it hard to believe the country had next to **** all.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Trying to wiggle out of your incompetence by throwing out a one-liner instead of actually responding to my points? How original. Never before on KMC did one post say so much that meant so little.

Hint: Check my location.

To put it more succinctly for Stigma, so he doesn't get confused:

There were potentially thousands of meaningful differences between West and East Germany that could have impacted their economic performance. Stigma decides to cherry pick the capitalist/socialist divide, and just assumes that this contributed to west germany's better performance, with no justification whatsoever.

It's a simplistic, intellectually lazy move, but appealing to your typical Trumpite.

Originally posted by Stigma
Hint: Check my location. well, i know its early morning, but its still dark here. It must be 8 am there, right?

Socialism owned again.:

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Go look at what's happening in Venezuela, huge article in the WSJ yesterday. They don't have food..

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Go look at what's happening in Venezuela, huge article in the WSJ yesterday. They don't have food..

Which works out for them because they don't have toilet paper either.

YAY for SOCIALISM/MARXISM!!!!

Great insights from a legend of economics:

Milton Friedman Tells Phil Donahue Why Socialism Fails

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