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Extant.

really??

jamie braddock has multiple universal feats under his belt. i dont know too much about extant.

Originally posted by ghostman
jamie braddock has multiple universal feats under his belt.

If only the dude wore an actual belt instead of a white thong.

Any reasoning, guys?

Originally posted by Zack M
Any reasoning, guys?

He just looks awkward in a thong.

Lol

Originally posted by Zack M
Any reasoning, guys? Standard Extant used Entropy itself as his play-thing. Aside from that, the pic you posted in the OP = 'cosmic' Extant, who possessed the Worlogog as well. IOW, he essentially possesses some of the most powerful force(s) of destruction/creation DC has to offer. Aside from the sheer power at his disposal, Extant also possesses literal omniscience thanks to the 'gog.

Braddock hasn't a chance in hell.

Originally posted by Galan007
Standard Extant used Entropy itself as his play-thing. Aside from that, the pic you posted in the OP = 'cosmic' Extant, who possessed the Worlogog as well. IOW, he essentially possesses some of the most powerful force(s) of destruction/creation DC has to offer. Aside from the sheer power at his disposal, Extant also possesses literal omniscience thanks to the 'gog.

Braddock hasn't a chance in hell.

Shit, how the he did they even take him out?

Originally posted by Zack M
Shit, how the he did they even take him out? Hourman still possessed a fraction of the Worlogog, which enabled he and the JSA(with which he shared his fraction of the 'gog) to exploit Extant's only weakness: the fact that he didn't quite possess a complete Worlogog... IOW, it was infinitesimally 'flawed'. Here is a better in-universe explanation:
http://i.imgur.com/jBmKpqg.jpg
ie. only the 'gog can beat the 'gog.

Had Extant sapped Hourman of his fraction of the 'gog as well, he would have quite literally been unbeatable... But writers always need to build in a plot-device with characters on this level, after all.

What if this was Extant without Worlogog?

more impresive is the fact that Mordru went Loki 2.0 and manipulated everyting.

Jamie is a beast!

Jamie is one of the most powerful cats ever to appear in Marvel.

Jamie has monstrous featS under his belt. I'm talkin God-like high showings.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jamie is a beast!

Jamie is one of the most powerful cats ever to appear in Marvel.

Jamie has monstrous featS under his belt. I'm talkin God-like high showings.

post the comic book one please... thats my favorite.

Originally posted by Surtur
What if this was Extant without Worlogog? Base Extant absorbed Waverider's chronal energies in their totality, thus possessed all of the abilities that go along with that(he literally became Waverider, in fact):
http://i.imgur.com/7g9KKAz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zvcEhaF.jpg
*Though said energy is very uber, it is not beyond Jamie, however.


Base Extant's best option would be throwing Entropy rifts at Jamie, imo. He generated them en gros during Zero Hour, in order to unmake universes/timelines. Here are a few examples:
http://i.imgur.com/XeHtfde.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aZUWr0q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PLB1xsw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aCIr6zS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ogLgmyX.jpg

Even Extant's bio(released several years after ZH) credits him with the ability to generate Entropy rifts:
http://i.imgur.com/zzkSFBv.jpg

And remember, Entropy is such a destructive force that it utterly erases time/space/matter/energy... And even concepts. In DC, it is the ultimate destructive force:
http://i.imgur.com/ZH0ibHx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YUHLR3R.jpg



However, with the Worlogog(which Zack seems to be using), Extant stomps.

Ill see if I still have jamies appearances after work

Interesting. Thanks for bringing me up to speed on this topic guys.

Jamie twitches a finger ... and drops a universe on top of his head.

Jamie ftw!

Originally posted by Galan007
Base Extant absorbed Waverider's chronal energies in their totality, thus possessed all of the abilities that go along with that(he literally became Waverider, in fact):
http://i.imgur.com/7g9KKAz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zvcEhaF.jpg
*Though said energy is very uber, it is not beyond Jamie, however.


Base Extant's best option would be throwing Entropy rifts at Jamie, imo. He generated them en gros during Zero Hour, in order to unmake universes/timelines. Here are a few examples:
http://i.imgur.com/XeHtfde.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aZUWr0q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PLB1xsw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aCIr6zS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ogLgmyX.jpg

Even Extant's bio(released several years after ZH) credits him with the ability to generate Entropy rifts:
http://i.imgur.com/zzkSFBv.jpg

And remember, Entropy is such a destructive force that it utterly erases time/space/matter/energy... And even concepts. In DC, it is the ultimate destructive force:
http://i.imgur.com/ZH0ibHx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YUHLR3R.jpg



However, with the Worlogog(which Zack seems to be using), Extant stomps.

Nice scans. Extant was a beast.

Originally posted by Surtur
He just looks awkward in a thong.

lmao!

post jamie braddock scans ****

Originally posted by Galan007
Hourman still possessed a fraction of the Worlogog, which enabled he and the JSA(with which he shared his fraction of the 'gog) to exploit Extant's only weakness: the fact that he didn't quite possess a complete Worlogog... IOW, it was infinitesimally 'flawed'. Here is a better in-universe explanation:
http://i.imgur.com/jBmKpqg.jpg
ie. only the 'gog can beat the 'gog.

Had Extant sapped Hourman of his fraction of the 'gog as well, he would have quite literally been unbeatable... But writers always need to build in a plot-device with characters on this level, after all.

That's right, the Warlogog is pretty much never in one piece. I think only the Hourman android ever possessed the entire thing, and he's the one who split it up in the first place. Because Batman was just being a dick about how stupidly overpowered he is, and Rex took him seriously.

But the entire 'Gog is so powerful, it takes an equally omnipotent plot device to fight it, like an Infinity Gauntlet, or Lucifer and Archangel Michael, or a 5d imp, or Superman.

The only characters to ever hold a complete Worlogog for any notable amount of time are Hourman Android, Metron, and Darkseid(Rock of Ages.)

Anyway, even at his base level Extant still had control over the most powerful destructive energy in DC which, like I mentioned earlier, he used to destroy several universes/realities/timelines on panel during ZH -- not even concepts like Death can survive Entropy.

And in this thread Extant ALSO has the Worlogog, which gives him...for all intents and purposes...unlimited power(even an incomplete 'gog can casually create universes ex nihilo, and permanently freeze universal big bangs in time.) On top of that, he ALSO gains the omniscience that goes along with possession of the 'gog:
http://i.imgur.com/XOkfjeJ.jpg
ie. he literally knows ALL.

Lastly, most of these 'all-powerful' artifacts(like the IG, for example) require the user to naturally acclimate/adjust to the omnipotence they gain from it. The 'gog doesn't work that way. When a character obtains the 'gog, they receive automatic upgrades and can fully comprehend/perceive its totality:
http://i.imgur.com/Gf9I3D0.jpg
IOW, even a n00b with the 'gog can use it to its full potential.


This is Extant's fight to lose.

I seem to recall Jamie's reality warping abilities being resisted by (even pre-upgrade) Meggan's shape shifting powers. Given that the Worlogog also grants omniscience it shouldn't be hard for Extant to replicate that.

Originally posted by ghostman
post jamie braddock scans

Jamie was treating other realities like they were mere comic books, is this what you were looking for?

http://imgur.com/ahGWGWr

Meggan is quite exceptional though.

Jamie's powers extend to space/time, as he displayed when he resurrected psylocke, and he had no problem manipulating the white hot room so I'd say he can operate on universal + stuff.

That said he doesn't have the output/destruction feats of Worlogog, and a few low-end durability showings.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Meggan is quite exceptional though.

Jamie's powers extend to space/time, as he displayed when he resurrected psylocke, and he had no problem manipulating the white hot room so I'd say he can operate on universal + stuff.

That said he doesn't have the output/destruction feats of Worlogog, and a few low-end durability showings.

Jamie's powers do extent to space/time of course, he can literally toy with entire universes and was seemingly above Alfie, who is another reality warper capable of beating universal beings (John w/ Alfie's powers was able to take out M'Gubgub).

However, this all doesn't change the fact that he manipulates reality by the strings which make up the universe (which Jamie can percieve and manipulate), Meggan's ability to resist his warping was directly attributed to her shape-shifting abilities. Extant's omniscience would make him aware of that and replicate it if needed. Although now that you mention Betsy, he was able to endow her with immunity to reality warping, but i don't recall that being tested against any major reality warpers.

Betsy's immunity supposedly made her immune against the powers of the foursaken, which seemed quite powerful but lacked showings.

I don't know if Extant is capable of replicating powersets from Marvel.

I doubt any ol' shapeshifter could resist him.

As far as power output is concerned, the 'gog is very similar to the IG, and also grants its user automatic omniscience... And that is aside from Extant's natural ability to generate Entropy rifts.

So yeah, that trick should be well within his ability, imo... Though I don't think he would really need to go that route. /shrug

Originally posted by operator616
I seem to recall Jamie's reality warping abilities being resisted by (even pre-upgrade) Meggan's shape shifting powers. Given that the Worlogog also grants omniscience it shouldn't be hard for Extant to replicate that.



Jamie was treating other realities like they were mere comic books, is this what you were looking for?

http://imgur.com/ahGWGWr

ahh yes, thats the one!!

Originally posted by Galan007
As far as power output is concerned, the 'gog is very similar to the IG, and also grants its user automatic omniscience... And that is aside from Extant's natural ability to generate Entropy rifts.

So yeah, that trick should be well within his ability, imo... Though I don't think he would really need to go that route. /shrug Wait isnt entropy like in its own dimension ? So how does extant even use entropy? does he like tap into the entropy force or something lol?

^ Entropy isn't confined to its own dimension per se. Entropy represents the force that eventually consumes the whole of existence at the end of time. Here are a few examples:
1.) http://i.imgur.com/ZH0ibHx.jpg
2.) http://i.imgur.com/YUHLR3R.jpg
3.) http://i.imgur.com/5JOpAZe.jpg
*That's why it destroys absolutely everything it touches: time, space, matter, energy, concepts, etc. etc... Without special circumstances/plot-devices in place, nothing can survive it.


Extant can channel that force because he is literally composed of pure Entropic/chronal energy. He radiates it naturally -- to the point where the essence of time itself actually breaks down around him:
http://i.imgur.com/Cg9WGLm.jpg

What's more, he also has very fine-tuned/precision control over his Entropic powers. For example, he can use them to instantly age beings to near-death, like he did to the JSA:
http://i.imgur.com/sPwdyCk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pk4Tr5O.jpg

Or de-age beings to a protoplasmic state, like he did to the Atom:
http://i.imgur.com/14b9a3X.jpg

Or simply unmake specific groups of characters, like he did to the Leymen:
http://i.imgur.com/ZXJYQNH.jpg

Or make different types of energy burn-out/expire, like he did to Alan's ring:
http://i.imgur.com/rCj2jUV.jpg

But of course, Extant can also release Entropy in a very broad range and unmake entire universes/realities/timelines:
http://i.imgur.com/XeHtfde.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aZUWr0q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PLB1xsw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aCIr6zS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ogLgmyX.jpg

Proof that Extant was releasing those Entropy rifts:
1.) http://i.imgur.com/zzkSFBv.jpg
2.) http://i.imgur.com/vPID9o1.jpg


*And again: that is Extant's base level. None of the above even factors-in the omnipotence/omniscience gained from Worlogog.

So, it's basically like the Ultimate Nulifier?

"shapeshiffting" ... that's kinda funny.

Jamie survived and perhaps defeated (off-panel) an abstract concept called, the "First Fallen."
The First Fallen, in the story it was portrayed with Jamie,
was the embodiment of the fire that burns all reality via the Big Bang.

Jamie has proven to be more powerful than the most powerful reality warper in a universe. (Alfie)
Jamie can control universes (Alfie's reality) via real world comic books. (4th wall powa in affect)
Jamie can create universes ... AND ...
... Jamie can create alternates of himself that are absolute universal powers, and then control the alternate's actions.
Jamie withstood his consciousness being spread instantly across the omniverse, then stomped his opponent.
Jamie was manipulating events across the omniverse in HOM.
In fact, Jamie orchestrated the salvation of reality during HOM.
Jamie seemed to be the only thing truly un-affected by the Chaos Wave.
Jamie merged Jaspers and the Fury.

Jamie (with his index finger and thumb) warped a multiversal/omniversal Nexus.

616 Jamie's future-self, (Goat-Monk) became the Omniversal-God!
(a stipulated indirect circumstance was needed to de-throne his God status)

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Just a little perspective off the top of my head on Jamie.

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Who wins?

My unprovable opinion in this cross-company match is pointless.

I submitted earlier that Jamie wins in jest, but really, who the hell knows.
These cats have established histories/powersets/and understandings in their respective companies,
these details clash in contradiction when we pit them against each other.
Which is why I'm not so eager to suggest who wins when cats are separated by comic lines.

Originally posted by Zack M
So, it's basically like the Ultimate Nulifier? Entropy is akin to Marvel's UN/Oblivion, yes.

Wait a minute so is Galan and Master arguing different characters without actually addressing each other? Or is Extant = Jaime?

I'm not arguing anything with anyone. I simply gave my opinion on the outcome of this battle, along with a slew of reasons why.

My sentiments almost exactly. Only I could care less about who supposedly "wins."

For the onlookers though, I just added the many reasons why Jamie should.

I guess it comes down to durability, weakness, and first to act.

For example, if Jaime has a durability weakness or can be drained or power snuffed then Extant (with Gog) will know before the bell and be first to act.
If Jaime doesn't have any weaknesses and Extant does (durability or he can be reality warped) then it's possible for Jaime to win if he acts first.

So again, this fights deals with who acts first and who is susceptible to what type of attack.

Question: Does Jaime have human durability? Meaning, can he be shot in the head from a sniper if he's isn't aware?

No.

Brian hit him three-four times as hard as he could to no effect.

Jamie Braddock has a weakness to getting his neck snapped by Brian.

Only Brain can do this.

No other character can do it.

This is a specific power that Brain has, as the Captain of the Corps.

And then there was that.

Brian stopped Jamie from becoming god of the omniverse by snapping his neck...

If Extant has the complete Worlogog, he does not have any exploitable weaknesses -- Metron made this abundantly clear. As I've mentioned several times, he becomes omnipotent/omniscient. So even if you'd like to assume he and Jamie's powers are equal, Extant is still literally all-knowing. Jamie is not.

IOW, any weaknesses Jamie has...every move/decision he's going to make...Extant would know it all. Obviously, that is a HUGE advantage.

Originally posted by krisblaze
And then there was that.

Brian stopped Jamie from becoming god of the omniverse by snapping his neck...
So Henry Cavill will beat him?

Yeah but he'd at least cry like a b*tch afterward, as though he wasn't just involved in a battle that killed thousands of humans via collateral damage... So it's okay.

Like him reading the comics of excalibur he would be watching the movie.

So he would definitely be the loser

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah but he'd at least cry like a b*tch afterward, as though he wasn't just involved in a battle that killed thousands of humans via collateral damage... So it's okay.

...and then did it again.

I know they went out of their way to point out that such and such area was abandoned, or that such and such area was empty because it was night or whatever, but please.

Originally posted by krisblaze

Brian stopped Jamie from becoming god of the omniverse by snapping his neck...
... that is funny PIS to end a story.

But seriously, Brian sometimes is special when it comes to Jamie.

That aside:

Even Jamie's alternate (which 616 Jamie personally created including his alternate universe) is able to weather shit like this:

Survives and keeps on going after having his torso blown clean out by a shot that exploded the moon:

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29951123_J1.jpg
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29951124_J2.jpg

Survives and keeps on going after getting his head/body fried by Storm's lightning, followed by a haymaker by Colossus:

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29951125_J3.jpg

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I would guess those attacks are far more ferocious than a neck snap.

I only had that issue at hand, later, I'll post some more durability feats.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Extant has the complete Worlogog, he does not have any exploitable weaknesses -- Metron made this abundantly clear. As I've mentioned several times, he becomes omnipotent/omniscient. So even if you'd like to assume he and Jamie's powers are equal, Extant is still literally all-knowing. Jamie is not.

IOW, any weaknesses Jamie has...every move/decision he's going to make...Extant would know it all. Obviously, that is a HUGE advantage.

Small issue.

In the comic Extant never had the complete gog.

To make arguments with him having so, would be a spectacularly speculative.

For the purposes of this thread, it really doesn't matter -- Extant may as well have a complete Worlogog. Remember, the only thing that made Extant /w/ his 'gog vulnerable, was the fact that Hourman still retained a tiny portion of it, thus was able to use it against him. As I said earlier: only the 'gog can beat the 'gog... And since Jamie obviously cannot make a "counter-'gog" or w/e, him using that sort of plot-device to defeat Extant is completely out of the question.


But more on point: does Jamie have any defense against temporal attacks? For example, can he prevent Extant from simply deleting the exact moment in time when he first learned to access his Mutant abilities? I ask because that is yet another option at Extant's disposal -- he's actually done that on panel with a gesture:
http://i.imgur.com/X0uXbXq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oVyLiZp.jpg
And with the omniscience he gains from the 'gog, Extant would instantly know the precise moment(s) in Jamie's timeline to target/delete.

Since he can manipulate spacetime I would assume he could at least shield himseld from such an attack.

There are a lot of things I can *assume* with Extant as well.

However, just because Jamie can manipulate spacetime doesn't automatically give him the ability to defend against having key moments in his personal timeline gesturely deleted by Extant.

No, I suppose the Zoom - Intertia fight is an example of that.

Jamie doesn't just control space-time friends, he controls reality, he makes reality what he wants it to be.

His power can, and has defied logic on several occasions.

But, like all would be all-powerful characters they come with a plot to lose, or at-least be contained.

Jamie's plot is, he's crazy, well, sorta, see,
Jamie thinks that everything else around him is part of a dream, his dream.
But he's also a functioning nut-case cause he's able to be cunning,
and even a calculating strategist in several major events he's manipulated, directly or indirectly

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That aside, is this fight taking place inside the DC or Marvel universe?
If not, I'm not sure Extant can jump to Jamie's "past" before he awaken his power,
there is no "past" here, it's just the here and now, neutral universe.

I thought that was the default setting for forum vs battles.

The battle taking place in a neutral universe doesn't mean a character's personal timeline ceases to exist.

But again: Extant doesn't *have* to go that route. It's just one more option at his disposal... And frankly, it seems like a valid one. /shrug