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Time for a rematch. Fight takes place in the fields of Naboo.

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-out

Who wins?

Bane hate aside, it's a good enough match but Dooku being somewhat able to meet Anakin head on who was described as having the force of a meteor strike is beyond Bane. Dooku is just better

Dooku
Probably Bane
Either way, tbh

I might entertain a debate in Force only. Tyranus should take sabers, though.

Dooku outclasses and stomps

Originally posted by SunRazer
Time for a rematch. Fight takes place in the fields of Naboo.

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-out

Who wins?

1. Dooku without question.

2. Dooku's cruisers feat and ragdolling of Obi Wan give him the win.

3. Dooku, naturally.

How do people think Bane's Force feats compare to Dooku's cruiser-throwing?

Ehh I mean they're impressive but it's not like they haven't been replicated by others :/

Bane dies.
I am willing to back Dooku in all now, tbh.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Ehh I mean they're impressive but it's not like they haven't been replicated by others :/
But by Bane?

Bane collapsed the Temple of the Ancients on Kas'im.

....while heavily amped.

Its his best feat though.

He's been stated as far more powerful than he ever was before in Rule of Two, though. So that means RoT Bane > Lehon, Temple-busting Bane.

Then you add the fact that Bane became even more powerful by Dynasty of Evil and he should be launching the temple into orbit. Then of course there's shielding a drexl and himself for an extremely lengthy period of time while it flew from one planet to another.

Said drexl is larger than normal drexls that can be anywhere from 3 to 5 meters in height, and are even longer.

When has Bane replicated the hurling of several 215m cruisers in rapid succession with ease? And then the compression of their remnants together to block the hangar entrance, also with ease?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
But by Bane?
I'm talking about Bane.

What proof is there that DoE Bane > Orbalisk RoT Bane in the Force?

Dooku
Bane, barely
Dooku

Stop asking difficult questions Nova and accept the ground realities of Bane.

Dooku in all, with moderate difficulty

Dooku wins the first in a semi-decent fight and might loose the first in a tough battle and wins again in the 3rd.

Dooku in all.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I might entertain a debate in Force only. Tyranus should take sabers, though.

Dooku takes sabers and all out.

Force, by scaling, can be debated.

Dooku 10/10 sabers, Force 5/10, 8/10 all out

No arguments for Bane? That's disappointing.

DMB, Neph?

Since you're on DMB, care to give some arguments?

He doesn't like to talk about Bane here.

But he just did in Bane vs Ti

He was referring to the inconsistencies in the video not who would win the fight itself otherwise carth would've come down on him like that temple in PoD.

I'm sure two Orbalisks will make him feel more powerful than ever before.

( I'm sorry Emp. I don't mean to derive so much pleasure from your pain but... It's pretty funny you gotta admit. :3 )

You're weak.

Teach me how to be strong Noviekin. :6

I couldn't possibly comment.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Teach me how to be strong Noviekin. :6
I can tech you that.

KK... K.

First, you must admit that Jacen Solo>Exar Kun.

Caedus or Jedi Jacen?

Caedus.
You can also say Jedi Jacen>Kun, tho

Originally posted by SunRazer
How do people think Bane's Force feats compare to Dooku's cruiser-throwing?

Well. He has a comparable, perhaps even greater command of the Force than Dooku due to his giant reservoir of knowledge and power he's amassed over the years.

His fest on Lehon is often considered the best one he has, but imo it's far more impressive to me that he did this at a relatively low level and then continued to grow in power as he aged.

Originally posted by SunRazer
What proof is there that DoE Bane > Orbalisk RoT Bane in the Force?

He's grown more powerful, studied various Holocrons and has impressively retooled his style to make up for being a mere fraction slower. Regardless of what you may believe, Bane at this stage is leaps and bounds above his RoT(maybe not in speed/strength) and PoD incarnations. He's far more experienced, fights smarter and less like a tank.

Merely from looking at the book, its pretty clear Bane remains a force to be reckoned with. As for your proof, I do believe Zannah states that Bane was far more powerful in DoE than when she faced him in his Orbalisks. One of the others can share the quote, I'm sure.

Forgive any grammatical errors, i just woke up and am heading to work

I'll respond tomorrow.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I'll respond tomorrow.

I expect it to see it in English AND Spanish

No quiero hacerlo.

Originally posted by SunRazer
No quiero hacerlo.

Y yo no quiero defender a Bane. Hazlo o si no voy a empezar a ser mas coqueto contigo. :3

You might think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

Don't be gay Nova lol

I assure you that there is no risk of that.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I assure you that there is no risk of that.

That can be corrected.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
That can be corrected.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You might think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

Originally posted by SunRazer


Eso no es un "No" Novahkiin

すぺいんごは だいきらい。uhuh

しんでください。

Dooku considers replacing Ventress with a new apprentice, but then decides against it. After seeing how easily he prevails in the battle, he thanks the force he didn't second guess his decision.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
LOL only if it's a challenge.

What's with all this less folk speak?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Nein.

That wasn't directed at you, fool.



Google translate is shit and can't Japanese. Although admittedly my line there was slightly incorrect grammatically anyways.

Look at these fools thinking they can speak Japanese.

Konichiwa.

JEBAĆ POLSKĘ
NAJGORSZY KRAJ NA ŚWIECIE KURWA

Originally posted by JKBart
**** POLAND
WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHORE

Nova~


Originally posted by SunRazer
Look at these fools thinking they can speak Japanese.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Eso no es un "No" Novahkiin

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That wasn't directed at you, fool.

I love it when you talk down at me

Originally posted by SunRazer
Look at these fools thinking they can speak Japanese.

Oh, I definitely can't. I can construct simple sentences on internet forums though. shifty

http://67.media.tumblr.com/0abbfc1fbeab75052271cf3434f30d3c/tumblr_ms1eb9adPX1s89mq8o1_500.gif

@Fated - Don't rush me. I've been trying to get something set up for Anakin. And dealing with a lot of other walls of text.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Well. He has a comparable, perhaps even greater command of the Force than Dooku due to his giant reservoir of knowledge and power he's amassed over the years.

Perhaps, but not enough to overcome Tyranus' advantage as a fencer, I don't think.



It's not that impressive, and certainly not better than Tyranus' showings.



Yes.



Fair enough. But even if Bane was more powerful Tyranus could certainly contend per his showings with the cruisers and other scaling methods. Likewise, I'm inclined to believe that his superiority as a swordsman should see him through. In a contest between two combatants where one holds the slight edge with the blade and one holds the slight edge in the Force, the former tends to triumph. I'm inclined to believe that would be the case here as well.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's not that impressive, and certainly not better than Tyranus' showings.

Would you like me to post images for the size of the temple Bane destroyed?

He destroyed the supports after gathering energies on an incredibly powerful nexus during Kas'im's speech, and gravity did the rest.

Not true, thats just fanon bs. He destroyed the temple. Nowhere does it say he only destroyed the supports.

Not at all. The text explicitly notes that he shattered the walls and archway, and the roof of the Temple came tumbling down a second later, and that the Temple continued to implode afterwards. He set up a chain reaction that imploded the Temple - he didn't bring 100% of it down.

Granted, the supports were very large nevertheless, but as I said, that isn't a showing that eclipses Dooku's, especially not when Bane has to gather energies on a potent nexus during someone's speech to do it.

Destroying the walls of the temple is the same thing as destroying the building. A building is 80% walls and interior, especially this one. Even if he didn't destroy literally every single part of it its still the same feat.

And the wave wouldn't hit all parts of the temple at the same time so your highlight is irrelevant.

It is beyond Dooku.

He didn't destroy that giant spire, though. Which makes up a lot of the Temple.

Also, I doubt he destroyed the rear portions of the Temple, just the proximate walls and archway.

What, lol? It doesn't say that at all. Like I said, you're just spinning a ton of fanon bs to diminish a feat you don't like.

Your doubts are noted. Unfortunately the text doesn't support them remotely.

Yo back the **** off this mein debate lol.

Also Nova I thought we were doing a force only debate?

I thought it was all-out. Ah, my bad.

Dooku stomps, it's no contest

Bane wins.

Bane wins a free coffin which he gets buried in

Make it a feeb like Meetra and it's probably a fair fight

DoE Bane + Lehon + Orbalisks probably wins.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I thought it was all-out. Ah, my bad.

I'll respond regardless. Will respond in five years time

Bane gets stomped.

/shrug.

Nova asked for someone to spar with. I wanted to spar too so lol whatever.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Perhaps, but not enough to overcome Tyranus' advantage as a fencer, I don't think.

Force Fight only, so I'm gonna ignore dis






Perhaps battering down the tattered remains of the Lehon temple isn't as comparable as throwing around ancient cruisers, but thanks to logical assumption and Bane's growth in power, we can correctly estimate that Bane should be able to achieve the same feat without the need of a nexus.

Now his telekinetic ability shouldn't be entirely dismissed, he has been able to break the defenses of Qordis, who was stated by Palpatine to be among the strongest of BoD. A kindly reminder to you, Nova, that this Bane before his prime.




I dont doubt that the Good Count could contend with Bane in an epic battle.

ah, but is that slight edge enough to give Bane the majority win? Curious what you have to say. The floor is yours, Novahkiin.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Perhaps battering down the tattered remains of the Lehon temple isn't as comparable as throwing around ancient cruisers, but thanks to logical assumption and Bane's growth in power, we can correctly estimate that Bane should be able to achieve the same feat without the need of a nexus.

Don't forget that Bane gathered his energies whilst Kas'im talked.



Not particularly special. Dooku's routinely shown the ability to break the defenses of more powerful figures. His ability to wreck vastly more powerful beings in Ventress gives him the edge in any comparison of characters dominated.



Depends. I'm honestly reconsidering whether Bane has the Force edge now, to be honest. Anything to convince me?

Since Bane in DOE stated he's stronger than any other point in time in the past that means he could wipe out a planets surface. Coupled with the fact that he's stated to have surpassed all Sith before him including Vitiate and Nihilus who could also life wipe a planet the scaling fits. This all depends however much you think Dooku benefits from the RO2 scaling.

How does Bane stating that he's stronger than ever before mean that he can wipe out a planet's surface?

I would assume that statement of his includes his Ruusan ritual which really was just him getting his power amp'd by 30+ Sith. If we're including his Lehon feat as him being ampd to his statement of being stronger than before I don't see why we can't extend that to the Ruusan Ritual X3.

Accept the ground realities of Bane boys n gals

Originally posted by The Merchant
I would assume that statement of his includes his Ruusan ritual which really was just him getting his power amp'd by 30+ Sith. If we're including his Lehon feat as him being ampd to his statement of being stronger than before I don't see why we can't extend that to the Ruusan Ritual X3.

The quote about Bane more powerful than ever doesn't mean that he could do the ritual on a whim

It wasn't really even a ritual though, it was just him getting his power amplified by 30+ Sith just like how Lehon a DS nexus would amplify his power unless there's more info to that "ritual" I have yet to see. There's also how he surpassed all other Sith before him and how his power was the greatest Dark Side energy Cognus has ever seen who witnessed the destruction of Ambria, another life wiping event. Of course this doesn't mean Dooku is out, but it depends how much you think the followers of Palpatine benefit from the RO2 scaling.

It was a ritual. He pretty much says that right in the book.

Bane in DoE couldn't even suck the life out of a dozen cultists without drawing on Andeddu's Keep. He's not wiping the life off entire planets.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It was a ritual. He pretty much says that right in the book.

Bane in DoE couldn't even suck the life out of a dozen cultists without drawing on Andeddu's Keep. He's not wiping the life off entire planets.

Pretty sure Merchant is messing with you lol.

Perhaps.



That's not what I said. I said dominating Ventress > dominating Qordis, which it is. I also said that Dooku's record of dominating Force users surpasses Bane's, which is also true.



No, I'm just curious as to how Qordis is supposed to be special when Dooku's done better.



Since when did I ever apply Banite Sith scaling for Tyranus? Your herrings are redder than Tyranus' blade, lol.



Hurl 215m cruisers with ease? Kill people who were relatively unharmed by rancors falling on them with Force Lightning whilst mortally injured?

Isn't it better to mention how Ventress endured and survived being choked by Anakin, and then getting electrecuted via several of Coruscant's power cables(which, IIRC, hold a significant deal of energy in them) before falling down?

I mean, that blows getting sat on by a rancor out of the water.

Also, getting smashed by a pillar.

Forgot about that. Yeah, she survived being electrocuted and then falling from Coruscant skyscrapers. Pretty insane that a mortally injured Dooku could kill her with Lightning, then.

Originally posted by SunRazer

That's not what I said. I said dominating Ventress > dominating Qordis, which it is. I also said that Dooku's record of dominating Force users surpasses Bane's, which is also true.

The point is conceded, then. However we will yield no result if we merely compare the combatants foes and not their own ability.

I'll begin.



I merely drew a comparison between the two, both have been considered powerful by Sidious, no? Why should Bane's feat of utterly destroying Qordis be any less impressive when both are clearly strong in Sidious' eyes?




You mentioned that Dooku is above Bane through scaling methods, I figured Banite scaling was what you had in mind.



Destroying the temple while greatly amped by both Lehon and the Temple, then becoming more powerful than that iteration of him and the iteration that was encased in the Orbalisks suggest he is capable of the same Telekinetic power, if not more so.

As for your lightning feat.



As well as this.



Bane's lightning is equally as powerful as that of Tyranus. So I doubt that the Count has any edge in this department.

Your move.

Dooku in a near stomp.

I'll respond later, but this is going nicely.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Dooku in a near stomp.

Bane couldn't beat a battle meditation amped Rastka when his body was covered in lightsaber proof armor.

If it wasn't for Farfalla, Lsu would've been splattered on the walls.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I'll respond later, but this is going nicely.
Hm? Am I providing an adequate challenge? Or not a challenge at all?

Curious is all

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I merely drew a comparison between the two, both have been considered powerful by Sidious, no? Why should Bane's feat of utterly destroying Qordis be any less impressive when both are clearly strong in Sidious' eyes?

The fact that Sidious considers them both "strong" doesn't mean they're near each other by any metric. That's an incredibly flawed comparison.

Ventress shits on Qordis in every way.



No, scaling off people like Ventress. Who are more powerful than beings who can dominate Anakin a few months after his dreadnought feat.



It's not just that he was amped, but he also gathered energies on such a potent nexus whilst Kas'im was talking. And he didn't even destroy the temple, just the walls and archway.



Your first quote isn't impressive. Bane smoking a few soldiers over several seconds and making them dance with Lightning doesn't compare to killing Ventress whilst mortally injured, given Ventress' own durability showings.

Your second quote compares, but hardly equalizes it. Ventress is infinitely more durable than some drexl riders.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The fact that Sidious considers them both "strong" doesn't mean they're near each other by any metric. That's an incredibly flawed comparison.

Ventress shits on Qordis in every way.


She may very well be his superior. But regardless of what you think both the PoD book, Guides and the ever omniscient narrator all state that Qordis is a powerful lord.



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That fact that several Lords, the likes of which include Kasim, and Sith such as Kaox Krul, all held him in a high regard does speak of his ability.





Which is nice, but not like it is impossible for Bane to achieve the same results against Anakin



Which still takes raw Force ability and strength, even then his DOE iteration is still canonically superior to all others, amped or otherwise.



I see.




Very well.



Yet again. We have an example were Bane's lighting is enough to Blacken and ashen the Orbalisks. I trust i needn't say anything about these Orbalisks yes?



Lastly. We have Bane doing this, in a weakened state.



Regardless of whatever Ventress has, Bane is still her superior, I dare say he would even have an easier time killiing her. His lightnin is evidently more potent than Dooku's and his strength in the Force has continuously grown over the past decades, not diminished in any significant way. So I'm not seeing how this feat of Dooku's is impressive in the slightest. Bane has greater strength in the Force, a deadlier FLS and better durability feats.

I look forward to your response.

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The Count still sweeps.