Originally posted by The Ellimist
You just powerscaled Krayt off of Abeloth. Where is Valkorion's power scaling? Beating up Arcann and Darth Marr? And the question is whether Krayt > Revan, not Valkorion.
You are entertaining the idea that Darth Krayt could defeat Valkorion. This is a ridiculous assumption on your part.
Revan is on par with Darth Krayt, if not better.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Regardless, I don't think he stops at Krayt; my point was that because Krayt doesn't have direct era-comparisons with Valkorion, the Krayt vs. Valkorion debate is less precise than the Revan vs. Valkorion one, independent of whether Krayt > Revan.
See above
Originally posted by The Ellimist
So? See, it's like teaching an old dog tricks; every. Single. Time. You make random statements and refuse to explain how they prove your point. Here you at least elaborate on Exar Kun's point, but everything else is just stated randomly, and you expect people to make the link to Vitiate's superiority because you say so.
BTW, all of this is just based off of the in-universe citation of the TOR encyclopedia, which is apparently factual while the LotF: Invincible blurb is not. Because you say so of course.
Saying that it's a "marketing" statement doesn't magically make your opinion on what constitutes official literature, well, official.
Do the likes of Karness Muur, Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun and Darth Nihilus need any introduction? I thought you are aware of their capabilities.
Revan's inferiority to Vitiate should tell you one thing: that the likes of Darth Krayt and Darth Caedus stand no chance against Vitiate either.
Revan's command of the Force is implied to be superior to even that of Darth Nihilus - a Force-user who could lift and move massive Starships and ravage entire worlds with his powers. Do Darth Krayt and Darth Caedus have anything above that or even on par?
There is another way to look at Revan's raw power. How easily he disposed off Darth Nyriss in a confrontation - a Sith Lord who defeated Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik simultaneously earlier. You want me to expand on the exploits of Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik now?
You underestimate Vitiate's raw power, as of 3560 BBY, way too much. He was stronger than any Jedi or Sith in the galaxy (and galactic history) at that point in time as well. This observation is self-explanatory if you are familiar with other developments in galactic history. Centuries later, only Palpatine matched him in strength.
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We had a similar discussion in another thread some days ago: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=632075&pagenumber=1
My arguments fell on deaf ears back then, right?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Holy sh*t, it's like talking to a brick wall. Whenever we ask you why, if the prep and forewarning he had on his turf played no role in these victories, Vitiate never replicated any of these attacks when faced with strike teams again, your response is...well, nothing. Usually that's when you run away and call the other side a troll. Then you come back in another thread a week or two later and repeat the same tired old argument.
The arguments that I have put forth in support of Vitiate in this forum are collectively greater than the sum of arguments from other members combined. I have shared every bit of information (at my disposal) with fellow members regarding this character in so many threads that it is difficult to count them. Either some information escaped your attention or you tend to forget and/or overlook my points. Then you come back weeks later and complain that I repeat same shit again and again. Proof right above.
Then you wonder why I call you a troll? Because you behave like one. A debater is expected to pay attention to presented information, learn from it and contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way. You mostly complain, overlook, troll and insult others.
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Coming back to the argument at hand; give me solid evidence of any sort of preparation in that case.
And take a look at following examples:-
Example 1: https://i.imgur.com/15dEtT9.mp4
Vitiate one-shotted a large group of Knights of Zakuul and droids with a single wave of Dark Side energy. That Strike Team had the upper-hand before Vitiate's intervention; the Outlander and his allies were in trouble.
In this example, Vitiate outperformed other Force-users by miles.
Example 2: https://i.imgur.com/wQ7QCJM.mp4
Vitiate unleashed a wave of Dark Side energy (of apocalyptic proportions) that eliminated every living being in its path and also destroyed the environment of the planet as a side-effect.
This example represents the epitome of Vitiate's AoE offensive capabilities. Vitiate recovered his strength on Ziost and went all-out afterwards.
For details, kindly check this blog: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-of-planet-ziost/105050/
Example 3: http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111138626/4544926-2216048301-15gru.jpg
Vitiate engulfed the entire Jedi Strike Team with Force lightning on a moment's notice.
Example 4: https://i.imgur.com/Hgmi2ap.mp4
Vitiate expanded his FLS to such an extent that it knocked out scores of Starships in the surroundings.
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We have ample on-screen evidence of Vitiate's AoE attacks and how lethal he can be with his powers. I am not sure what kind of evidence you continue to seek that will satisfy your curiosity.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Again, you're barking up the wrong tree. Plagueis, for example, changed the weather of Naboo just by being there; Sidious did this to Vjun by presence of his hologram.
This matter has been discussed at great lengths in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=632075&pagenumber=1
Conclusion is that Darth Plagueis's (supposed) weather manipulation doesn't compares in scale and scope to Vitiate's showings on Dromund Kaas. And the former development can also be interpreted as a omen.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
That was never confirmed, and it's a point against Vitiate. The fact that Scourge and Meetra are relevant in such a fight is hilarious.
Pay attention and memorize it:
Scourge had eagerly accepted, knowing his new position would give him both time and opportunity to find another way to stop Emperor Vitiate before his madness and hunger consumed the galaxy.
"Open yourself to the dark side," the Emperor said, and Scourge felt the air around him begin to swirl with power.
Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless. At least this way Scourge was still alive to carry on their cause.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
That is why victory of the implied Strike Team was suspect.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, way to pretend that was Luke in his prime.
Luke was extremely powerful by that point. And it is better showing than anything under Darth Caedus have under his belt.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
You keep repeating them because you never grasp the rebuttals given, such as the fact that you are incapable of doing comparative analysis and just spew out random factoids without bothering to organize them in a coherent or intelligible way.
See above
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well, thanks for amping Krayt for me. Yep, he did take on Abeloth before his prime; and this is actually more impressive than any foe Valkorion has ever faced.
Right.
I suppose Bobba Fett, Ben Skywalker, Saba Sebatyne and Vestara Khai are also stronger than Valkorion.
