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*Rebels - the epitome of failure - Darth Maul
*Prime oppress

Starting distance 30 meters

Maul and Savage.

Savage fights valiantly but can't make up for his lackluster brother.

Dooku wins.

The brothers.

Tyranus

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Maul and Savage.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The brothers.

Be serious.

Dooku wins

Maul probably dies within seconds if he tries to duel, and Dooku can hurt Savage with lightning and then stomp him 1 v 1 after Maul gets destroyed.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Be serious. Sry, Maul solos.

Maul trips and impales Savage.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sry, Maul solos.

Care to venture any arguments for the bros? The Proton Torpedo vs The Loss...

Well let's be serious, Ziggy. Dooku was barely able to overcome pre-prime Savage in Witches of the Mist, throw in Maul, who presumably remains even more powerful than his brother, and it becomes overkill.

"The loss" as in he'd always lose?

@Beni
In S3 Savage was a beast, overhelmed Dooku along with Asajj, bested Jedi Master while not even having a lightsaber, and held his own/overhelmed Anakin and Obi-Wan twice.

So he should stomp Obi-Wan in 1v1... but in S5, when he cannonicaly became more powerful, he lost. Savage's feats were retconed twice, in S4 and then even more in S5.
S5 Savage is the most stable version of him, and cannonicaly his prime.

S5 Savage + OM Maul wont beat Dooku, Count takes this

"Retconned" lmao.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Maul trips and impales Savage.

A likely outcome.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well let's be serious, Ziggy. Dooku was barely able to overcome pre-prime Savage in Witches of the Mist, throw in Maul, who presumably remains even more powerful than his brother, and it becomes overkill.

Past hardships can prepare even the most ordinary person for an extraordinary circumstance, as such Dooku, was able to separate the guy who single handily overcame the Brothers from his more powerful apprentice, while isolating the latter - despite being on the loosing end of the battle. Just replace whichever brother suits you fancy for Obi Wan in this match.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The brothers.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Past hardships can prepare even the most ordinary person for an extraordinary circumstance, as such Dooku, was able to separate the guy who single handily overcame the Brothers from his more powerful apprentice, while isolating the latter - despite being on the loosing end of the battle. Just replace whichever brother suits you fancy for Obi Wan in this match. Overcame the Brothers? Kek. Savage and Maul had him dead to rights, but through cunning and opportunity Kenobi exploited a hole in Savage's defence, forcing his opponents to retreat (though only after Maul TKO'ed him.) But I understand that this skewed reading is necessary to make your comparison work. That said how your conclusions on a contest of lightsabers has any bearing on Dooku's telekinetic prowess is beyond me. Because the Count isn't ragdolling anyone lol, rather if anything it will be the opposite.

Ill go with the brothers.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Overcame the Brothers? Kek. Savage and Maul had him dead to rights, but through cunning and opportunity Kenobi exploited a hole in Savage's defence, forcing his opponents to retreat (though only after Maul TKO'ed him.) But I understand that this skewed reading is necessary to make your comparison work. That said how your conclusions on a contest of lightsabers has any bearing on Dooku's telekinetic prowess is beyond me. Because the Count isn't ragdolling anyone lol, rather if anything it will be the opposite. And in canon, Jar'Kai always amps a saber users' skill for some reason.

Like Anakin vs Dooku in AOTC, Kanan vs The Grand Inquisitor, Barriss vs Ahsoka, and even Obi-Wan vs Maul and Savage.

"Opponents too powerful? Better give em an extra saber!"

Originally posted by Jmanghan
And in canon, Jar'Kai always amps a saber users' skill for some reason.

LOL now thats the TRUTH

Originally posted by Dread Dark
Originally posted by Jmanghan
And in canon, Jar'Kai always amps a saber users' skill for some reason.

LOL now thats the TRUTH Are you new here or are you a previous member that joined?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Overcame the Brothers?

Yes, funnily enough, running away with your armless brother counts as a loss, admitted failure is just an added Bonus, and you want to accuse people of skewed reading?



Translation - Savage and Maul had Kenobi in an advantageous position, his back to the wall with little space to maneuver... they still failed to kill him and come home with only a few more limbs to spare.



Well this is an all out battle, so lightsabers and Force power is the norm and the two can go hand-in-hand baring the handler is skilled enough to make it so. Maul was incapable of handling Kenobi for much longer than two seconds - click - unable to to simply incapacitate him, or simply draw him to his blade. While Dooku on the other hand is just fine knocking out Kenobi in-spite of the latter's considerable durability feats, and was able to do so with Anakin breathing down his Kneck. Now either of the brothers fit this position fine. They are both weaker than Dooku in the force, neither have shown even a scrap of a Force defence - Maul struggles with lightning from a rando nightsister and that's not accounting for the number of times Maul trips over in this battle.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Are you new here or are you a previous member that joined?

Why?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Yes, funnily enough, running away with your armless brother counts as a loss, admitted failure is just an added Bonus, and you want to accuse people of skewed reading?You get a point for meeting the dictionary definition, but as far as it's relevance to the fight at hand goes, no, Kenobi being overpowered by the Brothers in a lightsaber contest and in the Force does little for Dooku certainly.Through oppurtunism and cunning yeah, but you seem to be attempting to argue this as proof Dooku will straight up overpower his opponents. To begin with considering that Maul has both sustained a Force grip and TKO'ed Kenobi in separate instances, I'm inclined to believe that particular comparison to be splitting hairs. But more to the point for some reason you've decided to treat these characters as existing in a vacuum, when in reality Dooku is outnumbered and subsequently outgunned by a level of Force ability that will most likely blow him away.

And as far as Force defenses are concerned, I wonder what Dooku has to him name aside from deflecting his own lightning and, oops, having been ragdolled by one of his opponents. On the other hand considering the likes of Kenobi and Anakin picked up the art of neutralising Dooku's sparkle hands rather quickly, I'm inclined to believe Savage and Maul will manage in that department, or otherwise endure.Or the number of times Dooku gets knocked on his ass.

The brothers dominate ---- Maul potentially solos.

Maul solos.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
And in canon, Jar'Kai always amps a saber users' skill for some reason.

Like Anakin vs Dooku in AOTC, Kanan vs The Grand Inquisitor, Barriss vs Ahsoka, and even Obi-Wan vs Maul and Savage.

"Opponents too powerful? Better give em an extra saber!"

Anakin vs Barriss was embarrassing, honestly. Anakin looked retarded with two sabers and much less effective.

Maul, who lost to Kanan, was nearly killed by a dog, couldn't end disarmed bounty hunter's life, lost to Obi-Wan while having Savage on his side, got cut in half by padawan Obi-Wan and nearly lost to padawan Assant would beat Dooku? Laguhtsabe, Dooku never will be beaten by looser such as Maul XD

Maul blinded Kanan and Tano had to save his life. You keep leaving that part out. Kenobi couldn't even best Jango Fett so what's your point ? Kenobi lost to Cad Bane as well yet he bested Vader. Look how easy this is. A force push out of harm is a win when you talk to Vader fans but hypocrites such as yourself view that as a win for Kenobi because.....

Dooku was held in captivity by Hondo.


A more shameful showing I cannot think of.

Ah, and Maul lost his leg when he tried to confront Hondo and his men. Kanan was catched off-guard by Maul, but it's quite natural. Maul woudln't dare to challange his superior in a fair fight. Such a pitty, that blinding him wasn't enough to be able to beat him in a fair fight.

What's your point with Cad Bane? Perhaps he was better or Kenobi tried to catch him alive. Ah, one more thing. Maul was unable to stomp Vizsla in a lightsaber fight, something that Kenobi did with ease. He's inferior to Kanan, and Kenobi is like a God to him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A more shameful showing I cannot think of.

I can: Losing to Ezra.

Originally posted by McP
Ah, and Maul lost his leg when he tried to confront Hondo and his men. Kanan was catched off-guard by Maul, but it's quite natural. Maul woudln't dare to challange his superior in a fair fight. Such a pitty, that blinding him wasn't enough to be able to beat him in a fair fight.

What's your point with Cad Bane? Perhaps he was better or Kenobi tried to catch him alive. Ah, one more thing. Maul was unable to stomp Vizsla in a lightsaber fight, something that Kenobi did with ease. He's inferior to Kanan, and Kenobi is like a God to him. Maul was busy protecting both himself and his wounded brother against Hondo and his men. Kenobi was also in pursuit. Maul escaped ? Did Dooku escape on his own ?

He took on Palpatine. So you believe Vader is better than Palpatine ? Really ??

That a bounty hunter beat Kenobi. Did that bounty hunter beat Maul ? Your hypocrisy is really obvious.

Maul killed him. Kenobi Sint beat Vizsla. Maul made Kenobi leave a fight against him one on one. Maul also captured him later on. Your refusal to be objective is really telling.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I can: Losing to Ezra. Ezra would kick the shit out of Hondo.



Hondo is a joke.

The brothers can outlast Dooku, but Savage dies more often than not.

Dooku stomps.

Originally posted by Azronger
Dooku stomps. Based on ?