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- Dooku is poisened with a nightsister dart. All his senses are fcked
- Kenobi is pissed (like against Maul & Savage)

Kenobi's already on par with Dooku as a swordsman. Add some factors for him and against Dooku, and he's obviously taking that.

I imagine Dooku still obviously wins Force and all out, though.

Kenobi destroys.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Kenobi's already on par with Dooku as a swordsman. Add some factors for him and against Dooku, and he's obviously taking that.

He's not exactly equal, and that's based on one extreme of a portrayal only. In the graphic novel, Dooku one-shots him with a kick whilst dueling Anakin. It's better to take the average of the two depictions (well, skew it in favor of the RotS novel, since it's much more reliable, but still).

And in the junior novel, Dooku's perfectly even with Anakin, who's better than Obi-Wan. Not to mention Tyranus holding his own against Yoda, which I doubt Obi-Wan could do.

Besides, Dooku is inherently at an advantage against Obi-Wan since he's familiar with his technique. Soresu doesn't allow Obi-Wan to make much offensive headway against a duelist like Dooku, and Tyranus knows how to counter everything Obi-Wan can do with Ataru.

Obi-Wan is just a small notch below Dooku as a duelist, with these two elements I'm confident he has the clear advantage in lightsaber combat.

Dooku is still a league above Obi-Wan, though, in the Force, and in this area Obi stands no chance.

All out - Kenobi would win again if not for a relatively passive combat style. He can't do much to prevent Dooku from more extensive usage of Force power.

It usually wouldn't matter, as it rarely dictates the fight, but Dooku is powerful enough for the Force to matter (as seen always when Dooku fights; ragdolling Kenobi, overpowering TCW Skywalker with Lightning), is incredibly masterful in using it in combat (as the whole TCW and RotS shows, especially RotS fight and fight against Asajj+Savage, or fight against Skywalker in Crisis of Naboo), and really, really likes to do it (as seen everywhere). In case of Dooku, the Force edge seals the deal.

Dooku dominating Ventress. Kenobi + Anakin fighting roughly even with Ventress.
Dooku and Kenobi aren't even, I know that's a shit example but seriously?

Originally posted by JKBart
Obi-Wan is just a small notch below Dooku as a duelist, with these two elements I'm confident he has the clear advantage in lightsaber combat.

Dooku is still a league above Obi-Wan, though, in the Force, and in this area Obi stands no chance.

All out - Kenobi would win again if not for a relatively passive combat style. He can't do much to prevent Dooku from more extensive usage of Force power.

It usually wouldn't matter, as it rarely dictates the fight, but Dooku is powerful enough for the Force to matter (as seen always when Dooku fights; ragdolling Kenobi, overpowering TCW Skywalker with Lightning), is incredibly masterful in using it in combat (as the whole TCW and RotS shows, especially RotS fight and fight against Asajj+Savage, or fight against Skywalker in Crisis of Naboo), and really, really likes to do it (as seen everywhere). In case of Dooku, the Force edge seals the deal.

So he throws in some Ataru...

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So he throws in some Ataru...
Dooku already schooled Qui-Gon, a superior Ataru duelist

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Dooku dominating Ventress. Kenobi + Anakin fighting roughly even with Ventress.
Dooku and Kenobi aren't even, I know that's a shit example but seriously?

Its the worst example tbh.

Shouldn't have even made it in the first place, because its pointless, honestly.

They're very even.

At most, you can argue (without the debilitating effects) that on an equal playing field, Kenobi take 3/10 wins.

With the debilitating effects, Kenobi is taking Dooku. in 6/10

The Count should still sweep, but a duel is going to be hard for him.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Dooku dominating Ventress. Kenobi + Anakin fighting roughly even with Ventress.
Dooku and Kenobi aren't even, I know that's a shit example but seriously?

Yes it is shit. Kenobi stomped Ventress in the TCW movie.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Dooku already schooled Qui-Gon, a superior Ataru duelist

Qui-Gon is not a superior Ataru duelist lmao.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Qui-Gon is not a superior Ataru duelist lmao.

Jinn is very much so a superior Ataru duelist than Obi-Wan.

Dominating Savage and Maul>losing to TPM Maul

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Dominating Savage and Maul>losing to TPM Maul Jinn got worse over time.

Theres "apparently" a quote floating around somewhere that Jinn was a match for Mace in his prime.

Yeah, but some said that Bondara was the best Swordsman in the Order.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Jinn is very much so a superior Ataru duelist than Obi-Wan.

Lel Kenobi was almost his equal by TPM.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Lel Kenobi was almost his equal by TPM.

He may be a touch faster than an ageing TPM Qui-Gon but he was nowhere near his master's equal.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
He may be a touch faster than an ageing TPM Qui-Gon but he was nowhere near his master's equal.
Ther was an quote that said that, iirc.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yeah, but some said that Bondara was the best Swordsman in the Order. It wasn't a quote from a person, it was a narration, IIRC.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
It wasn't a quote from a person, it was a narration, IIRC.

Yes it was a narration which said people regarded him as one, not that he actually was.

And what was the quote that Jinn was an equal to Windu?

There's none iirc.

Yeah there is. But it's not exactly clear cut.

"Renowned for his skill with the lightsaber, Jedi Master Anoon Bondara is regarded by many of his peers and all of his apprentices as a role model whose combat prowess is unmatched in the Jedi Order. Bondara would disagree with this assesment. During his tenure at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, he spars with superior lightsaber duelists such as Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. Although he humbles himself when compared to their skill, Bondara's prowess is nontheless considerable."

Yeah, that doesn't even begin to imply they are equals.

LOL. That just means that Jinn and Windu are Anoon's superiors, not that they're equal.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Yeah, that doesn't even begin to imply they are equals.

Sorry ching.

I know. I'm just giving them the quote they're talking about?

Sabers: Dooku one-shots

Force: Dooku one-shots

All-out: Dooku either one-shots, or one-shots

Lmao.

That was actually pretty great Azzie.

Thank you.