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Superman Prime:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/Superman-Prime.jpg

Phoenix Five:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/7/70/Avengers_vs._X-Men_Vol_1_6_Textless.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120607064204

Who wins?

Superman Prime KILLS them all.

prime's good. he might even kill most of them until the last one or 2 share the full power, then, even he isn't that good.... p5 win in the end.

Originally posted by leonidas
prime's good. he might even kill most of them until the last one or 2 share the full power, then, even he isn't that good.... p5 win in the end.
You have more faith in the PF than I do. SMP wins.

Phoenix Five eventually.

P5.
The more he beats,the worse it gets

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman Prime KILLS them all.


What!?

Prime so powerful!


Will there really be no stopping point before that?

Will he kill them even unto death?!?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
What!?

Prime so powerful!


Will there really be no stopping point before that?

Will he kill them even unto death?!?

UNTO DEATH AND BEYOND!!!!

http://orig00.deviantart.net/bd8e/f/2015/306/8/9/prime_win_by_water_frez-d9fcbes.jpg

Thats Guardian amped Prime he wins imo

It should be P5. But Prime sh*ts all over logic sometimes, explicitly so as he was originally written. So who knows.

seriously? this is SBP on steroids. he will murder them very badly. they will call him kid and thats it. heads will be torn off and shoved up different asses...

P5 wins.

didnt gladiator give them some fight? also they all jumped gladiator but couldnt kill him. now this is superman prime. he will tear their heads off IMO.

Originally posted by Dareangel
didnt gladiator give them some fight? also they all jumped gladiator but couldnt kill him. now this is superman prime. he will tear their heads off IMO.

Tearing their heads off doesn't do anything. Emma was shattered into pieces and she simply reformed. The only thing that put them down was Wanda and Hope.

Originally posted by Dareangel
didnt gladiator give them some fight? also they all jumped gladiator but couldnt kill him. now this is superman prime. he will tear their heads off IMO.

What do you mean they "couldn't kill him?"

well superman prime can just hit them with his heat vision and vaporyze them. nothing to reform from. aside of that, striking power that can break dimension and time? i believe he can punch them so hard he will destroy their mulecular level. superman prime with punches alone broke to the fifth dimension. the fifth dimension is a magical dimension that has many uber defences. prime just broke into that dimensions with pure punches. i think people dont completely realize the beast superman prime is. average SBP would be a nice fight. but on the guradian amp... monitors didnt even bother to resist him and were slapped by him left and right because it was no use to even try and resist him. also Prime took a universal blast while already losing a good portion of the guardian amp. took on monarch busted him and ripped his suit open. he toyed with mxy and annataz but then again he is imune to magic. overall i see superman prime as a whole different level and league than the phoenix 5.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What do you mean they "couldn't kill him?"

well they all ganged up on him and beat him up but he wasnt dead. so if someone on gladiator level can survive being beat up by all 5 of them, and he is what herald in durability, someone that took a universal blast wont be effected too much IMO. not that they will have the chance to do much considering his speed and strength. i just dont see them beating someone like superman prime.

Depends on who he wrecks first. If he saves Scott for last i think hell have a good fight on his hand. Everyone was pathetic ESPECIALLY Colossus who iirc had the cytorrak amp

Originally posted by Digi
It should be P5. But Prime sh*ts all over logic sometimes, explicitly so as he was originally written. So who knows.

And as the OP pic seems to indicate: this is Guardian-amped Prime, who was WAY more haxx than normal. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he ripped all of their heads off right out of the gate. /shrug

Originally posted by Dareangel
well they all ganged up on him and beat him up but he wasnt dead. so if someone on gladiator level can survive being beat up by all 5 of them, and he is what herald in durability, someone that took a universal blast wont be effected too much IMO. not that they will have the chance to do much considering his speed and strength. i just dont see them beating someone like superman prime.

That's a ridiculous conclusion my friend. If someone beats you down to where you are completely incapacitated and chooses not to finish the job and end your life, that by no means doesn't mean they could not have done so. In top of that, Namor (who had the most one on one with him) looks completely superior throughout the fight.

Originally posted by Galan007


And as the OP pic seems to indicate: this is Guardian-amped Prime, who was WAY more haxx than normal. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he ripped all of their heads off right out of the gate. /shrug

hmm, if it's GA prime that might be different. still, can't see i don't think. he'd likely kill all of them til the last one though and it's possible he could take the final host... seemed clear to me that the last host was considered in that arc to be beyond cyttorak in his own realm though, so....that says a lot to me. i'd still take the p5 but yeah, it's not impossible to see prime winning.

Originally posted by leonidas
seemed clear to me that the last host was considered in that arc to be beyond cyttorak in his own realm though,

Is there an issue i missed

See, I thought Cyttorak implied that he was well beyond the PF in its entirety(while in his own realm, at least):
http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/30022329_Uncanny-Xmen-15-pg-006.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/30022330_Uncanny-Xmen-15-pg-007.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/30022332_Uncanny-Xmen-15-pg-008.jpg

see, when he says even with a FIFTH of the great power you're not more powerful, seems to me he's implying that a fifth isn't enough but a fifth is a LONG way from the whole..... guess different strokes but to me he was comparing himself only to a fifth of it. the whole thing seems like it would be well beyond him imo. makes sense since it IS a universal level force while cyttorak isn't even definitively above guys like odin or dormmamu--if he is he likely isn't far above them. /shrug

I see where you're coming from. Makes sense, just never looked at his statement that way. I read it as "Yeah, b*tch we're in my realm. Wouldn't even matter if you had the full PF.... Here I'm God."

srug

Originally posted by Galan007
I see where you're coming from. Makes sense, just never looked at his statement that way. I read it as "Yeah, b*tch we're in my realm. Wouldn't even matter if you had the full PF.... Here I'm God."

srug

This

lol

Originally posted by leonidas
see, when he says even with a FIFTH of the great power you're not more powerful, seems to me he's implying that a fifth isn't enough but a fifth is a LONG way from the whole..... guess different strokes but to me he was comparing himself only to a fifth of it. the whole thing seems like it would be well beyond him imo. makes sense since it IS a universal level force while cyttorak isn't even definitively above guys like odin or dormmamu--if he is he likely isn't far above them. /shrug

cool. thought i was losing my mind for a second there.....

You're both sort of right imo

He did say "even with a 5th...", which basically shows that it's a respectful power upgrade even to the mind of a creature like that but to him it's simply not enough to challenge him in his own realm made up and full of his own mystical energy, but he also started that by saying that even in a dream 1/5 isn't enough.

Looks to me like going over just how different the power is between 1/5 and 2/5 etc makes a host to see if the full force would still be less than ideal to deal with him in his realm, unless that happens you kinda have to think that the casual dismissal was because 1/5 is so utterly beneath him that you'd need the full power to challenge him based on Phoenix feats in similar conditions

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's a ridiculous conclusion my friend. If someone beats you down to where you are completely incapacitated and chooses not to finish the job and end your life, that by no means doesn't mean they could not have done so. In top of that, Namor (who had the most one on one with him) looks completely superior throughout the fight.

i see your point. i was just thinking if gladiator took the beating from all of them and survived it means more or less that means they will have to break a sweat to kill a high herald durability level being. however regardless of that showing, i simply see superman prime as a whole different level being. destroying planets for fun. minotrs are too scared to even try and resist him. breaking fifth dimension walls and owning mxy and annataz. overpower monarch and open his suit something several superman failed to do combined. then while losing a good amount of the guardian amp he is taking a universal blast. duting his very limited arc i saw him as skyfather level he was too uber. i dont see the phoenix 5 winning against this guy. his strength speed and durability are just on whole other levels. but thats my opinion.

The Phoenix could create a Universe, chances are she could destroy one, and than some.

Prime gets curbed.

Originally posted by t0sh
The Phoenix could create a Universe, chances are she could destroy one, and than some.

Prime gets curbed.

Prime rips them apart. only some of them like cyclops were impressive. namor and colossus werent at all. eventually the last one will get destroyed by prime. on the guardian amp he was too powerful. please show me phoenix destroying a universe or as you said "and then some".

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. thought i was losing my mind for a second there..... Not the first time this has happened.

I don't even see a full powered member of the P5 being able to move planets around ftl like toys. They wouldn't have that type of power. Or would they?

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't even see a full powered member of the P5 being able to move planets around ftl like toys. They wouldn't have that type of power. Or would they?
Yeah but then people would have to be consistent in their own logic plus have an objective deriving mindset. Given the feats barring conner and the titans Prime would most likely win. Given the feats he has would even make the whole of the phoenix force itself think twice before getting into a confrontation with him. Prime is Precrisis the implications fluctuate but the upper bound is almost uncapped because said character can even manipulate the plot structure directly ie beast boy. Prime is a meta plot device.

it probably should be p5.

id give it to demonic juggernaut phoenix force colossus

Originally posted by staxamillion
it probably should be p5.

id give it to demonic juggernaut phoenix force colossus

are you for real? do you even know who superman prime is or you just googles their pictures and chose who looks cooler?

Prime wins

prime dismantles them

Reality distorting punch ftw. Phoenix best feat, big bang level GASP survives those!