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This is for Legends combatants, based on their general ability in a one vs. one match-up with a 15 or so meter starting distance.

New lines that aren't run-ons delineate gaps; other than that, no ordering within a tier.

Mortis tier:
The Father, Mortakin
The Daughter, The Son
Full power Abeloth

(big gap)

Entity tier:
Zonoma Sekot, FotJ Abeloth

Oneness tier:
Oneness Jacen
Oneness/super-saiyan Luke

Luke tier:
post-pool Soresu Taalon, DN-FotJ Luke
TUF Luke
Lord Nyax (amp)
Star by Star Luke
DE Sidious, Vector Prime (beginning of NJO) Luke

Yoda tier:
Black Fleet Crisis Luke, RotJ Sidious, Zonakin
RotS Sidious, Yoda
TPM Sidious (post-Plagueis death)
(modest gap)
Plagueis, Valkorion
SWTOR Vitiate


Vader tier:
novel Vitiate, Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt, Darth Tenebrous, DE Luke
RotJ Vader, Exar Kun, SoR Revan, Anakin Skywalker
Revan Reborn, Galen Marek, Jacen Solo, Kyp Durron
KotOR Revan

Dooku tier:
Freedon Nadd, Mace Windu
Dooku, Naga Sadow, Arcann, Darth Revan, RotJ Luke
TCW Anakin, Darth Malak, Shaak Ti
Jaina Solo

Obi Wan tier:
HoT, Darth Malak, Darth Jadus
Obi Wan, Darth Maul
Barsen'thor, Darth Bane, Kyle Katarn
Darth Zannah, Satele Shan

B-team tier:
Kit Fisto, TPM Maul, Ventress, Grievous, ESB Luke
Darth Thanaton, Agen Kolar, Qui Gon, Scourge, AotC Anakin
PoD Bane
Kas'im, Rastka Lsu

Council tier:
Ki-adi Mundi
Lord Hoth, TPM Obi Wan
Aayla Secura, Tahiri Veila

Brotherhood tier:
Kaan
Qordis, Kopecz
Tionne

Sirak tier:
Average PT era Jedi master, novel Scourge
Sirak

This is tentative, of course. The Vader-Dooku tiers are relatively close together, as are Obi Wan and B-team.

What do you people think?

"Council tier". Also, you think Qui-Gon's up there with the B-team?

Exar's in Yoda tier.

Nope, he is absolutely right where Ellimist has him, in Vader's tier.

I'd put Revan in Yoda tier.

I'd put Kylo in Obi-Wan tier

I'd put Tholme in Kenobi tier

I would put UnuThul in Luke tier.

Originally posted by Trocity
Nope, he is absolutely right where Ellimist has him, in Vader's tier.

Trocity, I'm sorry friend - for all your time on here - you've never contributed much to this board other than statements of opinion. You can't call this, you're not qualified, as someone so biased that you would try to wriggle Vong Krayt above his obvious superiors - Murr/Pall. Exar Kun has one shotted someone stronger than Vader, and if that doesn't make him Yoda tier than nothing else should. You can try to argue this, but I know that's not your MO. Revan and possible Reborn Krayt should be raised too.

Having Nadd and Shaak Ti in the same tier is an insult to SW. Disgusting.

Nadd is a solid Vader Teir as someone who soloed an army of Beast Riders.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Nadd is a solid Vader Teir as someone who soloed an army of Beast Riders.

Quote?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Trocity, I'm sorry friend - for all your time on here - you've never contributed much to this board other than statements of opinion.

Yeah, that's kind of my thing.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
You can't call this, you're not qualified, as someone so biased that you would try to wriggle Vong Krayt above his obvious superiors - Murr/Pall.

oo, I dunno about biased, but yeah, Vong Krayt's fairly underrated; as someone who was at one point arguing he's as fast(or faster) as(than) Palpatine, not sure why you're trying to flip the script on me here. If you mean the Vong Krayt vs Pall thread, I, like Nova, thought it was peak Krayt. After realizing it wasn't, I didn't correct myself, because again, who really gives a shit? All I do is post one-liners on this dumpster fire site, anyway.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Exar Kun has one shotted someone stronger than Vader, and if that doesn't make him Yoda tier than nothing else should.

I thought you had finally acknowledged in another thread Kun was much closer to the Vader's of the world than Palpatine. What changed?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
You can try to argue this, but I know that's not your MO.

Pretty much.

Woah. The dumpster fire of KMC just got a little bigger with the roast you just laid down Troc.

Id put Revan in Yoda tier he isnt far behind him.

Also what about Ancient Sith Lords

Karness Murr

Tulak Horde

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
I'd put Kylo in Obi-Wan tier You're gross.

Dooku's tier shouldn't exist. Dooku, Mace and Arcann in the same tier with Shaak Ti or Malak? Darth Revan >> Malak tbh.

Dooku, Mace, Arcann and Darth Revan should be in Vader's tier, the rest should be in Kenobi's tier

Originally posted by SunRazer
"Council tier".

Didn't know what else to call it, tbh.



I'd say so. I think in his prime he's probably on par with TPM Maul; didn't the novelization hint that his age was a major factor in his loss?

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I should also adjust Kyp upwards, at least when he's acting competently.

Originally posted by McP
Dooku's tier shouldn't exist. Dooku, Mace and Arcann in the same tier with Shaak Ti or Malak? Darth Revan >> Malak tbh.


I think the Shaak Ti in The Force Unleashed is on a whole different level from the one in OCW. That would explain why she is able to gain the upper hand against Galen Marek on multiple occasions; Galen by this point already has many of his most spectacular feats on his resume.



Maybe. I don't get the impression that Arcann is anywhere near a full powered Valkorion though, and it's difficult to fit all of the incarnations of Revan in that way while still maintaining his officially supported inferiority to Yoda (and Vitiate).

Maul should be lowered.

"Sarasu Taalon," but whatever (and why isn't KotOR Revan on the same tier as Darth Malak? Bias much? Or did you put him on Vader's tier just to please the crowd?).

Weakened, tired KotOR Revan beat a double amped Malak. How are they on the same tier?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Weakened, tired KotOR Revan beat a double amped Malak. How are they on the same tier?


D'oh! Thanks for reminding me.

Bump
What's your list?

Tier 10:
Top
Some cosmic entity shit

Low
Luke
Sidious

Bottom
?

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Tier 9:

High
Valkorion
Yoda
Plagueis
SWTOR Vitiate

Mid
Novel Vitiate

Low
Revan

Bottom
Krayt
Exar Kun/RotS Anakin
Caedus

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Tier 8:
Top
Vader
Mace/ The Uberlander

High
Dooku
Starkiller/Marek/Arcann/Malgus
Cade Sky

Mid
Obi Wan
Jaina
Kyp
Maul
Ahsoka
SoR HoT/Wrath/Nox/'thor
KotOR Meetra Surik
Malak
Holistic Cin Drallig

Low
Mara Jade
Traya
Nyriss
Katarn

Bottom
Ventress
Savage Oppress
TFU Shaak Ti
SWTOR Meetra

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Tier 7:
Top
Kit Fisto
Scourge
Darth Maar
Senya
TCW Grievous
Satele Shan
Aryn Leneer
Sora Bulq

High
Jinn
Ven Zallow
Nomi Sunrider
Darth Baras

Mid
Saesee Tin
Bastila Shan
Darth Sion

Low
Atris
Atton Rand/Brianna

Bottom
Fodder KotOR Masters
S3 Kanan Jarrus
Grand Inquisitor

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Tier 6
Top
Seventh Sister

Caedus, Krayt, NoVitiate etc. aren't in the same tier as Sidious and Luke.
Also lmao @the Weaklander being so high.

Tier 1:
-GM Luke
-DE Sidious

Tier 2:
-RotJ Sidious
-RotS Sidious
-EoTPM Sidious
-Yoda

Tier 3:
-BoTPM Sidious
-Plagueis
-Tenebrous
-Tenebrous' Master
-Valkorion
-TOR Vitiate
-Nihilus

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Caedus, Krayt, NoVitiate etc. aren't in the same tier as Sidious and Luke.
Also lmao @the Weaklander being so high.

The Tier 9 is a bit convoluted, yeah. Outlander is around Mace. His position in the list is leftover from a sketch.

Tier 1
- Sarasu Taalon
- FotJ Luke
- DE Sidious / DN Luke
- RotJ Sidious / TUF Luke

Tier 2
- RotS Sidious
- Yoda
- EoTPM Sidious / Zonakin
- Valkorion / Plagueis / TPM Sidious / Dathomir! Talzin
- Vitiate / UnuThul
- Vaapad! Mace

Tier 3
- Tenebrous
- Nihilus / Novel Vitiate
- DE Luke
- Focused! Anakin
- Darth Krayt / Darth Caedus / Revan / Dathomir! Gethzerion
- Exar Kun
- Vader / Standart! Anakin
- Starkiller
- Vaylin / Reborn! Revan
- Marka Ragnos

Tier 4
- Freddon Nadd / Ajunta Pall
- Karness Muur
- Mace Windu / Darth Tyranus
- Galen Marek / Vong! Krayt / The Outlander
- Arcann
- Darth Malgus

I wouldn't put Krayt and Caedus that high or Starkiller for the matter. Suit Vader is highly unlikely to be there. I more or less find your placements acceptable except for Tier 3.

Zonakin is also probably lower.

Also, what's your average tier gap? (give me two characters for comparison)

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
I wouldn't put Krayt and Caedus that high or Starkiller for the matter. Suit Vader is highly unlikely to be there. I more or less find your placements acceptable except for Tier 3.

Zonakin is also probably lower.

Also, what's your average tier gap? (give me two characters for comparison)
Anakin should definitely be higher

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Anakin should definitely be higher

Zonakin doesn't need to up there with TPM Sidious to stomp a tired Dooku.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
I wouldn't put Krayt and Caedus that high or Starkiller for the matter. Suit Vader is highly unlikely to be there. I more or less find your placements acceptable except for Tier 3.


Possibly?
Why tho?
Anyway, forgot Knightfall! Anakin.



Arguably?
Trashing Dooku is mad impressive tho.


Not that big.
Between the Bottom of one tier, and the top of the next tier is usually only a small gap.

Starkiller and Vaylin can be downgraded to top 4, IMO. Vader can be 3 but at the bottom. Exar Kun above Krayt/Caedus and Revan above Kun.

Vaylin and 'killer- ehhh...I need to rethink their ranking.

Vader is near the bottom.

Nah.

People within the same tier are listed in order of strenght

God Tier:
The Ones,Abeloth, Full Power Anakin, Bedlam Spirities,Force priestesses

Demi-God Tier:
Grand Master Luke Skywalker, Sidious (any iteration from RotS to DE), Valkorion,UnuThul,Saarasu,Yoda, Snoke (likely)

Top Tier:
Darth Plagueis, PT Sidious, Darth Tenebrous, Darth Vader, Exar Kuun, Tulak Hord,Darth Krayt, Karness Muur,Ajunta Paal, Darth Tyranus, Prime OutLander, Mace Window, Arcann, RotS Anakin, Revan,Darth Jadus, Darth CAedus. Starkiller

Elite Tier:
Obi Wan Kenobi,Emokin, Darth Traya,Darth Malak,DD Quinlan Vos, DD Assaj Ventress, Savage Opress, General Grevious, Darth Nox, Emperor's wrath II, Darth Thanaton, Darth Marr, Satele Shan,Cade Skywalker,Mara JAde, Jaina, Katarn, TFU Shaak Ti, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Darth Wyyrlock, Saba Sebatyne, Darth Nihl, Kyp Durron, Ahsoka Tano, SOD/TPM Maul

Councilor Tier:
B Team (Windu excluded), RotS Shaak Ti, Aotc Ani, AotC Kenobi, Sora Bulq, EU Vos, Dread Masters (individually), Darth Mortis and other dark councilors, Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi, Lord Kaan, Ven Zallow, Cin Drallig, Vrook Lamar, Vodo Siosk Baas, Rebels Maul, Krell

Above Average Jedi masters:
shado vao, K'kruhk, Aayla Secura, Darth Stryfe and other Hands, Pablo Jill, weaker jedi councilors or dark councilors, Bastila Shan, Atris, Kanan Jarrus, Kylo Ren, Volvin Moor, Jocasta Nu (post-prime), Chilgal, Rororn Corobb and his partner,Tsui Choi, Bultar Swan, The Dark Woman, Beyghor Sahdett. tcw 5 ahsoka

Average Jedi Master:
Tera Sinube, Coleman Trebor, Daakman Barek, Kai Hudorra, Dass Jennir, Koffi Arana, Kai Justiss, S3 Ezra, Sirak, Ky Narec

Jedi Knight:
Ma-kis shaalas, sian la weez etc

Jedi Padawan:
S1/2 Ezra, Sha a Gi, etc

So much cancer.

Originally posted by AncientPower
So much cancer. good thing we have chemo

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Zonakin doesn't need to up there with TPM Sidious to stomp a tired Dooku.
No he needs to be higher because he is a better duelist, is stronger, and has more raw power than anyone save for rots sods and yoda up until rots

Entity Tier:
Abeloth
The Ones
Waru
The Force Priestesses
Zonama Sekot

Amped Tier:
Oneness!Jacen
Oneness!Luke
Valley!Kyle
Valley!Jerec
Sarasu Taalon

Luke Tier:
NJO-FotJ Luke Skywalker
TFU-DE Darth Sidious

Yoda Tier:
Vaapad!Mace
DE-YJK Luke Skywalker
Knightfall!Vader
EoTPM-RotS Darth Sidious
Yoda
Valkorion

Plagueis Tier:
Talzin
Darth Plagueis
BoTPM Darth Sidious
Darth Nihilus (discounting Avellone's statements)
Darth Krayt
Raynar Thul
SoR Revan
Kyp Durron
SWTOR Vitiate

Caedus Tier:
The Dread Masters
Starkiller
Dark Apprentice
Exar Kun
Novel Vitiate
Darth Caedus

Vader Tier:
Gethzerion
RotJ Luke Skywalker
RotJ Darth Vader
Galen Marek
Jacen Solo?
Cade Skywalker
Soa / Adelade / Tassar
Novel Revan
The Hero of Tython
RotS Anakin Skywalker

Tyranus Tier:
Darth Tyranus
Mace Windu
Arcann
Darth Malgus
Ulic Qel-Droma
Darth Malak
Darth Revan
Darth Wyyrlok III
Jaina Solo Fel
Prime!Jaric
Belth Allusis
End-Deceived Malgus
Exarchs
Kyle Katarn
Jerec
Darth Nox
The Empire's Wrath
Tagriss
TCW-RotS Obi-Wan Kenobi
TCW Darth Maul
TFU Shaak Ti
Darth Nyriss
Darth Traya
Meetra Surik
TCW Anakin Skywalker

Satele Tier:
Celeste Morne
TPM Darth Maul
Ciphas / Heirad / Kel'sara / Kurse
Jaric Kaedan
Return-Deceived Malgus
Ven Zallow
Aryn Leneer
Adraas
Kao Cen Darach
The Third Barsen'thor
The First Son
Tol Braga
Scourge
Novel Meetra Surik
Saba Sebatyne
Kenth Hammer
Satele Shan
Darth Marr
Darth Mortis
Darth Arkous
Heskal
Senya
Ood Bnar
Vodo-Siosk Baas
Cin Drallig
Asajj Ventress
Savage Opress
Kit Fisto
Saesee Tiin
Luminara Unduli
Goh
Jensyn
Darth Soverus
Oric Traless
Bastila Shan
Darth Arho
Darth Serevin
Darth Cognus
Darth Zannah
Darth Bane
Darth Thanaton
Darth Baras
Darth Tormen
Draahg
Fulminiss
Darth Sion
Atton Rand
Darth Ekkage
Ardun Kothe
Nomen Karr
Darth Jadus
Darth Angral
Wyellett
Xerender
Bengel Morr
Orgus Din
Bela Kiwiiks
Jun Seros
Kellian Jarro
Jaesa Willsaam
Kas'im
Nomi Sunrider
Sylvar
Darth Ikoral
AotC Anakin Skywalker
AotC Obi-Wan Kenobi
Blaesus
Darth Andeddu

*Hamner

Forgot Streen, too.

You forgot the Ben Tier above the entities.

Originally posted by Geistalt




Luke Tier:
NJO-FotJ Luke Skywalker
Jaina Solo
TFU-DE Darth Sidious