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JKBart
I make this thread out of personal interest, because of something I do.

All within their primes. When rating Force, I don't give a damn about someone's skill in using the Force within combat, that's something different.

Force power
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron
3. Jacen Solo
4. Streen
5. Leia Organa Solo
6. Kenth Hamner
7/8. Jaina Solo | Cilghal (possibly, she can be anywhere, her skillset is more fugged up than Corran's)
9/10. Mara Jade Skywalker | Corran Horn
11/12. Kyle Katarn | Anakin Solo
13. Alema Rar
14/15. Jaden Korr | Ganner Rhysode
16. Tenel Ka Djo
17. Raynar Thul
18. Ikrit
19/20. Octa Ramis | Tahiri Veila


Lightsaber combat
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Jacen Solo
3. Jaina Solo
4/5. Kyle Katarn | Mara Jade Skywalker
6. Tresina Lobi
7. Saba Sebatyne
8/9/10. Corran Horn | Anakin Solo | X2
12. Alema Rar | Leia Organa Solo
13/14. Kam Solusar
15. Kyp Durron
16. Kenth Hamner
17/18. Raynar Thul | Tahiri Veila
19. Cilghal
20. Ganner Rhysode | Bazel Warv | Zekk

Ursumeles
Hm...
Nice list! I would say that Mara is >/= Kenth, tho, and Leia > Streen in the force.
For sabers, Jaina > Mara > Kyle >/= Saba >/= Tresina, imho.

Jmanghan
You forget to rank X2 in the Force Power list, but he'd probably be in the lowest part.

JKBart
Originally posted by Jmanghan
You forget to rank X2 in the Force Power list, but he'd probably be in the lowest part. Yeah, not rating him or Tresina; while great combatants, they have little Force showings so I decided it's best to leave them.

Ursumeles
But, you ranked Cilghal, lol ^^

JKBart
X2 and Lobi either have no Force showings or pretty low ones (for the top at least).

Cilghal has feats demonstrating Sense of impossible scale, mastery, demonstrating incredible in-depth knowledge, etc. She's impossible to rate properly, but she's surely great.

Ursumeles
Yeah. That's the reason, why I make a RT for her smile

Jmanghan
Originally posted by JKBart
X2 and Lobi either have no Force showings or pretty low ones (for the top at least).

Cilghal has feats demonstrating Sense of impossible scale, mastery, demonstrating incredible in-depth knowledge, etc. She's impossible to rate properly, but she's surely great. X2 force pushed a Rancor off-balance while on a DS Nexus, Force choked an Imperial Saboteur, and also used the Force to bring a Sith Holocron to him on a DS Nexus.

But thats about it.

Raptor22
U have Mara below streen, leia, kenth and cilghal? A woman who caught and held an entire large, underground chamber collapsing on top of her, while weakend from the Vong virus, and cracking jokes while holding it.

"Three retorts like richocheting projectile shots sounded overhead. Startled, she glanced up. A crack opened in the stoney ceiling. It branched, branched again, and again.

She waved jaina toward the tunnel, crying Run! A chunk of stone hit the floor beside her.

Jaina reached the doorway. All around them ceiling, walls of soft rock crumbled. Mara pushed Jaina ahead if her, reaching deep inside herself, trying to divert each stone as it fell. She split a dozen with her lightsaber.

But they fell too thickly. As rock dust choked off the light ahead and behind her, she pushed Jaina down, fell on her, and pushed out with the force. She kept the presence of mind to extinguish her lightsaber.

The noise went on, like a powerful waterfall, for several age long seconds.

Jaina rolled out from under her. She'd killed her lightsaber too. In utter darkness, mara couldnt see what Jaina was doing, but she did hear a plaintative ow!.

Hit your head? Mara asked quietly.


"Slightly" Momentary silence. "Your re keeping that up with the force?"

No. Just my radiant personity. She softened her voice. Do u still have the rebreathers?"

-Balance Point.

Im not sure if even Jaina has any force feats that would surpass that, never mind kenth.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Raptor22
U have Mara below streen, leia, kenth and cilghal? A woman who caught and held an entire large, underground chamber collapsing on top of her, while weakend from the Vong virus, and cracking jokes while holding it.

"Three retorts like richocheting projectile shots sounded overhead. Startled, she glanced up. A crack opened in the stoney ceiling. It branched, branched again, and again.

She waved jaina toward the tunnel, crying Run! A chunk of stone hit the floor beside her.

Jaina reached the doorway. All around them ceiling, walls of soft rock crumbled. Mara pushed Jaina ahead if her, reaching deep inside herself, trying to divert each stone as it fell. She split a dozen with her lightsaber.

But they fell too thickly. As rock dust choked off the light ahead and behind her, she pushed Jaina down, fell on her, and pushed out with the force. She kept the presence of mind to extinguish her lightsaber.

The noise went on, like a powerful waterfall, for several age long seconds.

Jaina rolled out from under her. She'd killed her lightsaber too. In utter darkness, mara couldnt see what Jaina was doing, but she did hear a plaintative ow!.

Hit your head? Mara asked quietly.


"Slightly" Momentary silence. "Your re keeping that up with the force?"

No. Just my radiant personity. She softened her voice. Do u still have the rebreathers?"

-Balance Point.

Im not sure if even Jaina has any force feats that would surpass that, never mind kenth.

Kenth TK'ed Kyp Durron.

An angry Kyp Durron.

Raptor22
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Kenth TK'ed Kyp Durron.

An angry Kyp Durron. by surprise iirc.

chingchangwalla
Luke, Kyp

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Raptor22
by surprise iirc. Kyp still shoulda been able to defend himself.

Raptor22
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Kyp still shoulda been able to defend himself. why?

Kyp and corran were in a heated argument, and wasnt even paying attention to kenth, and there was no mention of kyp putting up a defense, bracing himself for the hit, or even knowing he was being attacked.


"He flicked his wrist, and Corran went sailing across the hangar back toward Kenth and the other Jedi. It was a particularly insulting dismissal, since Corran could not respond in kind, having never been able to master the skill of Force telekinesis.

The same was not true of Kenth Hamner. He extended his arm, and Kyp flew back against the hull of his StealthX and remained there, pinned."

Not seeing how that puts him above mara, jaina, kyle, etc...

Hell saba completly tooled on him in Vortex, while he was going for the kill the whole time and she was holding back, trying not to kill or seriously injure him, even passing up open kill shots she had several times.

If he had tk that could throw around a prepared kyp, shouldn't he have been able to ragdoll saba? Especially in the mind set he was in during theri fight.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Raptor22
why?

Kyp and corran were in a heated argument, and wasnt even paying attention to kenth, and there was no mention of kyp putting up a defense, bracing himself for the hit, or even knowing he was being attacked.


"He flicked his wrist, and Corran went sailing across the hangar back toward Kenth and the other Jedi. It was a particularly insulting dismissal, since Corran could not respond in kind, having never been able to master the skill of Force telekinesis.

The same was not true of Kenth Hamner. He extended his arm, and Kyp flew back against the hull of his StealthX and remained there, pinned."

Not seeing how that puts him above mara, jaina, kyle, etc...

Hell saba completly tooled on him in Vortex, while he was going for the kill the whole time and she was holding back, trying not to kill or seriously injure him, even passing up open kill shots she had several times.

If he had tk that could throw around a prepared kyp, shouldn't he have been able to ragdoll saba? Especially in the mind set he was in during theri fight. That doesn't put Kenth above them.

Raptor22
Originally posted by Jmanghan
That doesn't put Kenth above them. i guess i misunderstood.i thought when u mentioned that kenth tk'd and angry kyp in response to my post that u were saying he superior to mara and others in tk because of that feat.

Ursumeles
Streen/Leia > Mara in the force.

MythLord
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Streen/Leia > Mara in the force.

Maybe Leia, but not Streen.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by MythLord
Maybe Leia, but not Streen.
Raw power wise? Yes, he is. Combative wise she is above both, but Bart's list isn't combative.

Ursumeles
My list:

Force Power
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron
3. Jacen Solo
4. Leia Organa Solo
5. Streen
6./7. Jaina Solo Fel/Mara Jade Skywalker
8./9. Kenth Hamner/Cilghal
10./11./12. Corran Horn/Kyle Katarn/Anakin Solo
13. Alema Rar
14. Jaden Korr
15. Ganner Rhysode
16. Kam Soulsar
17./18. Tenel Ka Djo/Gantoris
19. Raynar Thul
20. Ikrit

Sabers
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Jacen Solo
3. Jaina Solo
4. Mara Jade Skywalker
5./6. Kyle Katarn/Saba Sebatyne
7. Tresina Lobi
8./9. Anakin Solo/Corran Horn
10. X2
11. Leia Organa Solo
12./13./14. Alema Rar/Tahiri Veila/Kam Soulsar
15./16. Kyp Durron/Kenth Hamner
17. Raynar Thul
18./19. Cilghal/Ganner Rhysode
20. Valin Horn

BazookaMaster
Force
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron
3. Caedus
4. Streen, Leia
5. Kenth Hamner
6. Jaina Solo, Mara Jade
7. Corran Horn
8. Kyle Katarn
9. Anakin Solo
10. Alema Rar, Jaden Korr

Sabers:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Jacen Solo
3. Jaina Solo
4. Tresina Lobi, Mara Jade
5. Kyle Katarn
6. Saba Sebatyne
7. Corran Horn
8. Anakin Solo
9. X2
10. Kam Solusar

The Ellimist
I usually place the higher tier NJO masters not named Luke, Kyp or Jaina in the season 1-5 TCW Obi Wan tier.

Luke - DE Sidious on Malachor in Force, past that in sabers
Caedus - Krayt (between Vader and Yoda) in Force, post Plagueis death Sidious in sabers
Kyp - post-Nathema Vitiate/slightly above Vader in Force (Yoda+ in raw power), TCW Obi Wan/Galen Marek in sabers
Jacen - Galen Marek in Force, Dooku in sabers
Jaina - SoD Maul in Force, RotS Obi Wan in sabers
Kyle - RotS Obi Wan in Force, TCW Obi Wan in sabers

Ursumeles

Fated Xtasy
Bart you ranked ****ing Zekk and not Jaden?

GM Yoda
Force power:
1. Kyp Durron
2. Luke Skywalker
3. Jacen Solo
4. Jaina Solo
5. Mara Jade Skywalker
6. Kenth Hamner
7. Anakin Solo
8. Ganner Rhysode
9. Leia Organa Solo
10. Ganner Rhysode/Jaden Korr

Lightsaber combat:
1. Luke Skywalker

2. Jacen Solo
3. Jaina Solo
4. Mara Jade Skywalker
5. Kyle Katarn
6. Saba Sebatyne
7. Kyp Durron
8. Tresina Lobi
9. Corran Horn
10. Kenth Hamner.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by GM Yoda
Force power:
1. Kyp Durron
2. Luke Skywalker
8. Ganner Rhysode
10. Ganner Rhysode

Lightsaber combat:
7. Kyp Durron
8. Tresina Lobi
9. Corran Horn
10. Kenth Hamner.
Kyp > Luke?
Ganner two times? xD
And what about Streen?

Kyp > Lobi|Corran dueling wise?
And why is Kenth > Kam|Leia?

GM Yoda
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Kyp > Luke? For creating a mini controversy. big grin
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Ganner two times? xD That was a mistake.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
And what about Streen? I don't know much about Streen's power, so I didn't put him in the list.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Kyp > Lobi|Corran dueling wise? Kyp was described as being an "expert swordmaster" by Luke in Backlash ; he was also able to duel evenly with Luke in Fury.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
And why is Kenth > Kam|Leia? Kenth was able to contend with Saba quite well( with circumstances, though).

DarthAnt66
Just a note: The LOTF series makes clear that Saba is *at least* equal to Kyle Katarn based on Darth Caedus' comments, but I'd wager she's actually better by a fair margin.

SunRazer
Admitting you could only take someone in a difficult fight > claiming that they're a threat.

DarthAnt66
thumb up

MythLord
Originally posted by GM Yoda
Kyp was described as being an "expert swordmaster" by Luke in Backlash;

So was Daeshara'Cor... It's a generic accolade.

Originally posted by GM Yoda
he was also able to duel evenly with Luke in Fury.

Luke in spars tends to hold back drastically. Even Leia beat him in a spar during the Corellian Trilogy.

Durron is an insanely talented swordsman, but I don't think these things are what put him so high up there. Instead: slaughtering Vong, being an exotic weapons specialist, having the raw power to carry his physicals and wield his blade more effectively, and holding some form of parity with Kyle K is what places him so high up.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Just a note: The LOTF series makes clear that Saba is *at least* equal to Kyle Katarn based on Darth Caedus' comments, but I'd wager she's actually better by a fair margin.
Yuhs.
Saba is da best smile

SWfan101

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