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So now that it's established that Dooku is clearly Vader's superior at this point - possibly being slightly inferior by ROTJ - how would Maul fair in his prime against Vader as of A New Hope ?

Scenario : A band of ultra-zealot Sith acolytes revive Maul to battle Vader on the Jungle Moon of Yavvin. Neither can use the temples for external power, but both are well rested and uninjured. Can Vader win, or are his his crippling handicap's too much of burden, making this look more like the Resurrection comic?

Round 1: Sabers only
Round 2 : Everything permitted

Maul in both.

Anyone care to venture anything substantial other than Vader's defeat of the Dark Woman?

Vader sweeps.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did this happen in continuity ?
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Originally posted by Ursumeles
In legends in canon maul fears vader like a pussy should Canon only. Legends never occurred. Fanfic.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vader sweeps.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
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Eh, you do that good enough alone
Also, why did you think I was trolling you?

an quality thread this

Weirdo.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Darth Thor, would you like to continue our little debate here?


I'm sure we're in the middle of a couple of debates all involving Vader. Can have them Wherever you want. But you're getting a bit ahead of yourself claiming you've proven Dooku is superior to ANH Vader. Just post ANH Vader is crushing AT-AT's. That's a level beyond anything we've ever seen from Dooku.

Actually boys and girls, Dooku may have had some better feats in Jedi Quest involving some rather large cruisers he rag-dolled. It sounds a bit nebulous, and i don't have the feat to hand, but if it's true it does surpass the AT AT feat by a large margin.

That's been disproved apparently though I wasn't here for it I heard about the fallout upon my return.

It wouldn't matter, because the best comparison one can draw between Dooku and ANH Vader is laid out in spades, and that is in Obi Wan Kenobi. It's also possible that TPM Maul can be scaled by this vector, as it's arguable that Old Ben might not even be better than Kenobi as a Padawan.

In other words a pile of crap, kek.

I understand your frustration

I won't lie, I'm getting tired of waiting for you to kys.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I won't lie, I'm getting tired of waiting for you to kys.



It's interesting to see what makes certain people tick, I can make all the alt-righty jibes in the direction of modern liberalism faggotory, or use the big mean racists shivs in my utility belt, yet it is only when I start knocking a peg or three off Vader that the true butt hurt rears it's prolapsed head. Let's just say I find it amusing that a debate on fictional characters can inspire such impotent rage.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Actually boys and girls, Dooku may have had some better feats in Jedi Quest involving some rather large cruisers he rag-dolled. It sounds a bit nebulous, and i don't have the feat to hand, but if it's true it does surpass the AT AT feat by a large margin.


Well first you have to properly post the feat. 2nd that'd be Legends only.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust


It's interesting to see what makes certain people tick, I can make all the alt-righty jibes in the direction of modern liberalism faggotory, or all use the big mean racists shivs in my utility belt, yet it is only when I start knocking a peg or three off Vader that the true but hurt rears it's prolapsed head. Let's just say I find it amusing that a debate on fictional characters can inspire such impotent rage. Your facists rants where at least amusing yeah, but this is just painful.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Your facists rants where at least amusing yeah, but this is just painful.

Then perhaps something for the pain will make it better?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/81/39/58/8139585abd5d0358c12eb1116704e396.jpg

Originally posted by Ziggystardust


It's interesting to see what makes certain people tick, I can make all the alt-righty jibes in the direction of modern liberalism faggotory, or use the big mean racists shivs in my utility belt, yet it is only when I start knocking a peg or three off Vader that the true butt hurt rears it's prolapsed head. Let's just say I find it amusing that a debate on fictional characters can inspire such impotent rage. That has always been the most effective way to attack a passionate fan. Attack their characters and watch their nerd tears stream. If you notice D. Thor doesn't ever get upset because he doesn't give a shit about Star Wars for the most part.

If only Quan could apply such perception to himself.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
If only Quan could apply such perception to himself. I care about the merits of debating. I care about objectivity. I care about principles. I am kmc. Just be aware this is my kingdom and I intend on it remaining that way.

Whatever you say Quan. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2570579909.png

Good lad.

Some (ancient) Sith cruisers are enormous, other ships are decidedly smaller, for example 75-meter long vessels like this that more closely fits what's described.

Are they noted to be Sith cruisers?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Some (ancient) Sith cruisers are enormous, other ships are decidedly smaller, for example 75-meter long vessels like this that more closely fits what's described.

It said cruiser not gunship.

Indeed, and he's a vastly better duelist.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
It said cruiser not gunship. The author also called a speeder a cruiser, and various other non-capital ship sized vessels, she uses the term liberally.

On the other hand the vessels in question are noted to have afterburners (a feature purposed for fast moving attack craft) and jagged wings, in that respect the vessel I cited fits the description best; the cruiser Azronger is referring to bearing none of those attributes.

Bias sees what bias sees.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The author also called a speeder a cruiser, and various other non-capital ship sized vessels, she uses the term liberally.

And that's fair which is why I asked if they were referred to as SITH cruisers.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Bias sees what bias sees. Quite, whereas objective folk like myself read the text.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And that's fair which is why I asked if they were referred to as SITH cruisers. See my edit. And I don't know, but seeing as they discover these warships on Korriban in an ancient hangar its obvious they are of Sith origin.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Quite, whereas objective folk like myself read the text. I have seen bias creep into your soul before this. It isn't as bad as sunrazer but I bet he was a lot more objective years ago. I'm trying to help you.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The author also called a speeder a cruiser, and various other non-capital ship sized vessels, she uses the term liberally..

Quote?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
See my edit. And I don't know, but seeing as they discover these warships on Korriban in an ancient hangar its obvious they are of Sith origin.

Alright.

When you say

"the cruiser Azronger is referring to bearing none of those attributes."

Is that because there's a specific description of the ships noting they are without this feature or is your stance coming from the basis that they're not described to possess aforementioned feature.

It's because he's referring to this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Derriphan-class_battleship

Which are slow moving capital ships with no wings.

If they don't have wings does that mean they can't have afterburners?

Legitimate question. I'm no mechanic.

Those were separate clauses, as in they do not have afterburners (because they are slow moving craft, afterburners are for jet engines), nor do they have wings (which the 'cruisers' are also described as having.)Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Quote? http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15813959#post15813959

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Those were separate clauses, as in they do not have afterburners (because they are slow moving craft, afterburners are for jet engines), nor do they have wings (which the 'cruisers' are also described as having.)http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15813959#post15813959

I need you to simplify that for me to a "yes" or "no."

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I need you ti simplify that for me to a "yes" or "no." EDIT: Probably, jets tend to have wings. I don't know why you are asking though.

If they don't have wings does that mean they can't have afterburners?

"Probably."

Can someone who's got mechanical experience give me a yes or no?

Why is this an important question? Lol.

Answer the question, buttface.

Because it's the basis of your argument for them not being the ships depicted in the quote.

Also you should know if I'm not responding to you in multiple threads I'm offline.

No its not, lol, I explained why and your response was "hurr durr I'm stupid". Well, too bad for you.

You said they probably wouldn't have it for that reason. I'm asking someone more knowledgeable on engineering to confirm that it would be unlikely that they would have them.

F*ck off. Just because I don't know which machine parts would appear on which fictional machine doesn't make me stupid. You calling me stupid for asking makes you an ass though.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You said they probably wouldn't have it for that reason. facepalm

I didn't say that, I then explained what I meant and you ignored it, because for some reason basic words Syn can't do.

Which is why you are ****ing stupid. Sorry, but it's just the case.

You explained that you meant they "probably would not be on there" for the reasons you stated above. I asked for confirmation on that from somebody else and then you called me stupid when I said:

"Because it's the basis of your argument for them not being the ships depicted in the quote."

@sshole.

Unless you called me stupid for saying:

"Because it's the basis of your argument for them not being the ships depicted in the quote."

Rather then:

"Because it's the basis of your argument for them probably not being the ships depicted in the quote."

Which makes you a petty @sshole if that's the case.

Stupid thread. Vader

Originally posted by Rebel95
Stupid thread. Vader Based on ?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
facepalm

I didn't say that, I then explained what I meant and you ignored it, because for some reason basic words Syn can't do.

Which is why you are ****ing stupid. Sorry, but it's just the case.

I missed the part of your post about the wings that you just edited in. Can you quote me the passage the cruisers are described as having wings?

Why does this wing thing matter?

Because it's the difference between assuming the ships are 215 meters long ( as those Sith cruisers don't have wings ) or a much smaller 75 meter ship.

.

Yeah assuming the ships are multi-hundred meter ships is so cringey.

This way!" he yelled, as the first vehicle suddenly flipped over. It would have crushed them if Obi-Wan hadn't dashed to the side with Anakin on his heels. He flattened himself against the wall as another vehicle moved, its jagged wing a lethal weapon, capable of slicing them to ribbons. A cruiser suddenly zoomed toward the wall, straight at them.

I don't care if they're 50 meters, the control Dooku poised over them demonstrates a remarkable level of skill and power that can be considered on level with Vader, and the Ben Kenobi comparison seals the cap.

Honestly I think I have a bias towards putting Vader above Dooku just because it would be pretty lame if the apprentice Palpatine basically played all his cards for turned out to be weaker than the last one.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Because it's the difference between assuming the ships are 215 meters long ( as those Sith cruisers don't have wings ) or a much smaller 75 meter ship.

....Ok the Derriphan battleship is 215 meters according to the Dark Side Sourcebook.

The Sith Escort gunship is 75 meters according to Gamer 5.

Ok? You and Beni both good now?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
This way!" he yelled, as the first vehicle suddenly flipped over. It would have crushed them if Obi-Wan hadn't dashed to the side with Anakin on his heels. He flattened himself against the wall as another vehicle moved, its jagged wing a lethal weapon, capable of slicing them to ribbons. A cruiser suddenly zoomed toward the wall, straight at them.

Do you see my problem here?

Down Syndrome?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Do you see my problem here? Yes, that you are a retard wasting away my evening.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
....Ok the Derriphan battleship is 215 meters according to the Dark Side Sourcebook.

The Sith Escort gunship is 75 meters according to Gamer 5.

Ok? You and Beni both good now?

We're trying to establish if the ships he manipulated were that large.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, that you are a retard wasting away my evening.

It says that one of the ships had wings. There's nothing suggesting that the other ships Dooku manipulated were the same type.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, that you are a retard wasting away my evening.

Time spent having is never time wasted

If they were small by cruiser standards, why were they described as "monstrous"?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
On the other hand the vessels in question are noted to have afterburners (a feature purposed for fast moving attack craft) and jagged wings, in that respect the vessel I cited fits the description best; the cruiser Azronger is referring to bearing none of those attributes.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Down Syndrome?

Dmb. I'm not arguing in favor of the ships being 215 meters long. I'm trying to establish if it suggests that's the case or not as I've never read the novel myself.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
If they were small by cruiser standards, why were they described as "monstrous"?
The word "monstrous" doesn't appear a single time in that book lmao

Originally posted by The Ellimist
If they were small by cruiser standards, why were they described as "monstrous"? A 75 meter ship is over twice the length of the Millenium Falcon.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Dmb. I'm not arguing in favor of the ships being 215 meters long. I'm trying to establish if it suggests that's the case or not as I've never read the novel myself.
I know, you just said "Do you see my problem here?" and I couldn't resist

So these vessels could be regular starships ?

Originally posted by Beniboybling


I don't care about Azronger and I didn't start my conversation with you based on any previous conversation you may have had with him. I'm asking whether or not the text suggests the other ships had wings.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I know, you just said "Do you see my problem here?" and I couldn't resist

Cool.

That felt strangely passive aggressive.

Edit: Nice edit Syn.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I don't care about Azronger and I didn't start my conversation with you based on any previous conversation you may have had with him. I'm asking whether or not the text suggests the other ships had wings. That's not the point I was making, the point was that there are multiple attributes missing here, not just the wings but the afterburners too. Which instead align with a different ship. That said I'll look at the source again to get some more clarity.

Tommorow.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That's not the point I was making, the point was that there are multiple attributes missing here, not just the wings but the afterburners too. Which instead align with a different ship. That said I'll look at the source again to get some more clarity.

Tommorow.

The only attribute missing in regards to the addition of the wing is for a single ship Dooku manipulated. Not the rest of them.

That's fine.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The word "monstrous" doesn't appear a single time in that book lmao

They were described as being very large in one capacity or another.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
They were described as being very large in one capacity or another.
Provide the quote then.

"like dark, giant phantoms.

Whoopeee, they're significantly larger than a human.

Didn't you and Xtasy already go over this in the thread and he provided a bunch of quotes regarding the ships one of which said it was "enormous?"

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Didn't you and Xtasy already go over this in the thread and he provided a bunch of quotes regarding the ships one of which said it was "enormous?"
He provided a quote calling the hangar bay "enormous" :/

And LOL at the implication that Fated Xtasy actually beat me in a debate.

Mind linking me to that thread then because I distinctly remember him providing you multiple quotes regarding the ships size which you are apparently aware of despite asking for them again here...

LOL at you assuming I made any such implication.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Mind linking me to that thread then because I distinctly remember him providing you multiple quotes regarding the ships size which you are apparently aware of despite asking for them again here...

LOL at you assuming I made any such implication.
I honestly don't remember which thread it was. I'm pretty sure it didn't even have anything to do with Dooku.

But the only quotes I can think of are:

1. "Cruisers" (which Jude Watson uses to refer to practically every ship in the book)

2. The hangar being "enormous" (which immediately afterwards is attributed to the fact that there so many service bays, ergo it's huge due to the number of ships it's meant to handle)

3. The metaphor saying the ships were lined up like "giant phantoms" (which only proves that they're large relative to the traditional phantom, which is generally human sized)

4. The afterburner tanks being "huge" (which again was relative to modern afterburner tanks, since it was describing how outdated the technology was, and wasn't a comment on the size of the whole ship)

5. And the ships being "clunky" (again, a comment on the outdated technology)

I'll ask Xtasy.

Unless one of you can definitively prove it wasn't a Sith battle cruiser, it remains as one. It's the simplest conclusion.

Well, Beni proved that one of the ships Dooku moved wasn't a Sith cruiser as it had wings but he he hadn't done so with the other ones.

Originally posted by Azronger
Unless one of you can definitively prove it wasn't a Sith battle cruiser, it remains as one. It's the simplest conclusion.
No the burden of proof is on the people trying to claim Dooku can ragdoll multi-hundred meter ships.

You can't rely on the word "cruiser" to prove that when the word has been used in the same novel to refer to ****ing speeders.

Does anyone have the passage?

Originally posted by Azronger
Unless one of you can definitively prove it wasn't a Sith battle cruiser, it remains as one. It's the simplest conclusion.

Unfortunately, the trump card of parsimony comes up against a few obstacles that make it a not so simple conclusion, the author referring to everything and anything as cruisers being the main culprit. Cruiser is simply a designation given to ships of varying sizes and there are no specifications in the Novel, meaning the subject remains unclear.

I can see Maul defeating Vader in sabers. Let's see, both have about the same stamina, Maul has superior speed, but Vader has superior strength. It seems similar to Malgus vs Maul but with Vader having less mobility than Malgus.

I think that one comic with Vader vs Maul is a pretty accurate depiction of what might happen.

In all out, Maul would be hard-pressed to win. Vader will just resort to his force powers if Maul gains any type of saber-skill advantage.

A very well thought-out and balanced view on the matter, Kurk. I agree.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Provide the quote then.

"hulking wrecks of ships still littered the floor.

Here are the passages, parts where the ships are described highlighted:First of all we are dealing with a large landing hangar lined with service bays in which to repair and refuel ships, presumably something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/pcdxZo1.png

Not necessarily in size but certainly in design.

More to the point it is likely to be something uniform, it beggars both reason and belief that we would be dealing with a hangar designed to service both capital ships hundreds of meters in size, and vessels less than of that. Obviously they'd have separate hangars, with one hangar servicing similar sized ships.

Point being, the sizes of the ships in this hangar are unlikely to vary by much, the size of one ship is likely to be similar to the size of the rest.

So with that in mind I'll go over again why I believe the vessel(s) in question to be Sith escort gunships:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/15/SithShuttle.JPG

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_escort_gunship

And/or vessels of similar size and purpose.

1. One of the ships is described as having "huge" "afterburner tanks". Simply by looking at that image you can see it has big fat engines. More to the point afterburners are for jet engines, and jet engines are, in RL, for vessels typically travelling at supersonic speeds i.e. fighter aircraft. As an attack gunship this certainly fits that criteria, a massive, slow-moving capital ship does not.

2. One of the ships is described as having a "jagged wing", again, you can see the above ship has just that. The larger capital ships of the Sith Empire did not.

So we have two different ships bearing features that can be tied to this vessel, and this vessel alone, in terms of known Sith warships. And again I refer back to the logic that the hangar is likely designed to service vessels of a similar size, not ones varying widely in dimensions.

Now what is the evidence we are dealing with 200+ capital ships.

They are described as big, or rather "huge" "hulking" "giant" - except the above vessel I listed, though not as large, remains 75 meters in length. Or rather more than twice as big as the Millenium Falcon. Which is already pretty ****ing big:

http://i.imgur.com/Th4VVog.png

Anything twice that length qualifies as "huge" "hulking" "giant" in every way. On the other hand they are not quite so big that the characters can't get a full sense of it from a single perspective, in a dark space no less. But besides that no, there is no proof we are dealing with capital ships of the aforementioned size, but rather vessels in the sub 100m range.

This addressed to Emp or me?

This is my general analysis.

I'll hop back in after my chem exam.

I generally agree with it except you assuming the hangar was made to hold multiple large uniform ships rather then a varied numbers of ships with various sizes and shapes as there's nothing to indicate that.

Generally good analysis though.

Common sense indicates that, no surprise its eluded you.Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'll hop back in after my chem exam. I hope u fail.

How does it indicate that? There are plenty of hangars that hold ships of various sizes throughout the lore. Why is this one in particular made to hold uniform ones?

Ain't so.

Please explain.

Is college chem as difficult as cucks make it out to be DMB?

It'd still be his best feat if it were the 75m ones, given the ease with which he hurled them and smashed them together.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
There are plenty of hangars that hold ships of various sizes throughout the lore.Ain't seeing them.

That picture of the 75m ship isn't what I'd describe as "hulking", but I'm not the author, so, eh.

@Beni - The RotJ movie alone has an example of a hangar with differently-sized ships: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/63/b4/a6/63b4a6a2acdc72547c06cbe2e6887940.png

Originally posted by Kurk
Is college chem as difficult as cucks make it out to be DMB?
College chem is ridiculously easy. I got a 99 on the first test and I've been halfassing the class.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ain't seeing them.

Um...

http://i.imgur.com/FShvQbv.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/EO38KPh.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/AYYe3KR.jpg?1

Beni, are you... Are you ok?

Originally posted by SunRazer
That picture of the 75m ship isn't what I'd describe as "hulking", but I'm not the author, so, eh.

@Beni - The RotJ movie alone has an example of a hangar with differently-sized ships: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/63/b4/a6/63b4a6a2acdc72547c06cbe2e6887940.png Eh, I was more talking about the repair bays, as you can see in that picture they are uniform. But sure, it could be argued that larger ships could be fit in the hangar proper, but presuming the hangar dimensions are fairly relative to the size of the service bays, probably not that large. Indeed in that photo, there are no more than dozens of meters of difference in dimensions.

A 200m capital ship seems unlikely, and more to the point would need completely different kinds of equipment to be serviced.

Well, even the Derriphan-class battleships would have to be placed in hangars. It's not that unreasonable.

Besides, weren't the mere wrecks of them on the floor also described as hulking?

However, KotORCG claims that it was thought that all of these battleships were destroyed by the GHW, although it goes on to say that we do know that at least one survived (the Corsiar) and Revan reconstructed dozens of them with the Star FOrge.

I'm sure they were, but it would be impractical to have them all in one hangar. Especially considering that the hangar proper is described as a landing area, not a housing space. But yeah, I doubt they had very large vessels left anyway.

Maul wins

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm sure they were, but it would be impractical to have them all in one hangar. Especially considering that the hangar proper is described as a landing area, not a housing space.

I didn't say they were all in one hangar. Perhaps there were only a couple, with the rest being the 75m ones as you said.

I also edited my post with a bit more info, if you'd care to look at it.

Well yeah my point is that the hangar they were in likely housed ships of similar dimensions.

And yeah in regards to them being "hulking", as I say a vessel twice the size of the Millenium Falcon certainly qualifies. The KOTOR CG would also suggest they didn't have any larger vessels left anyway.

If there were any surviving 215m ships, they'd still have to be housed somewhere.

The KotORCG claims that Revan rebuilt dozens of them with the Star Forge. It's entirely possible that some remained.

Either way, the ease with which Dooku threw the ships, and them smashed them together, would make the feat his best and very impressive, even if it were the 75m cruisers.

I think it's easier and more encompassing to just say "he threw 75m+ cruisers".

I thought Revan built more modern cruisers, these ones appear to be a lot more ancient, and I doubt any of them were housed at Korriban.

And yeah, I agree, the alternative only leaves us with ambiguity, we can at least be certain that some of the ships he threw were of those dimensions.

KotORCG outright states that he rebuilt dozens of Derriphan-class battleships, as well as others.

Ah I see, still no guarantee they were brought to Korriban.

Originally posted by SunRazer
KotORCG outright states that he rebuilt dozens of Derriphan-class battleships, as well as others.

Y he build a bunch of junk ships fer?

He's stupood.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
College chem is ridiculously easy. I got a 99 on the first test and I've been halfassing the class.

At my school it's a weeder.

Vader

Originally posted by relentless1
Vader Based on ?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
College chem is ridiculously easy. I got a 99 on the first test and I've been halfassing the class.
Great . I'm was debating with my ego whether or not I should go to a competitive school, but I decided I would rather be a big fish in a small pond.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Y he build a bunch of junk ships fer?

Because he had the plans? The Star Forge can replicate things pretty quickly, and it's much faster than coming up with new plans (which they still did).

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ah I see, still no guarantee they were brought to Korriban.

We know the Sith Empire established a base on Korriban and cultivated their apprentices there, which would suggest that they needed a measure of protection. It'd be pretty unwise if they had nothing there. After all, wasn't Korriban their primary base, since the Star Forge was more of a "secret location"?

Sure but that would take the form of a space presence, in fact storing/repairing capital ships on planets was rare, they normally use orbital dockyards instead.

Most capital ships were far larger than the Derriphan-class battleships, though. You're forgetting that Darth Revan's Empire created even larger vessels to serve as their capital ships. The Derriphan-class battleships were the capital ships during the Great Hyperspace War, not the Jedi Civil War. By then, they had better, larger, and more powerful ships - they just kept the Derriphan-class battleships around since they had the plans for them and could easily mass produce them with the Star Forge.

And Korriban had no orbital dockyards during the Old Sith Wars that I recall.

Originally posted by Kurk
Great . I'm was debating with my ego whether or not I should go to a competitive school, but I decided I would rather be a big fish in a small pond.

It depends on what you want to do and how much money you have to spare. You don't wanna overdo it though and go to like Devry or something.

Some careers like Investment Banking would really prefer if you went to a top tier school, while others dont really care.

Originally posted by Kurk
Great . I'm was debating with my ego whether or not I should go to a competitive school, but I decided I would rather be a big fish in a small pond.
Well I'm hardly in a small pond tbh

Fair enough, I do not know enough about ships to make a good counter, so I'll just concede. It's still an enormous feat, ragdolling a 75m ship and levitating multiple ones. Dooku is still on Vader's level.

That's not Vader level.

bit above Vader tbh.

Originally posted by Azronger
Fair enough, I do not know enough about ships to make a good counter, so I'll just concede. It's still an enormous feat, ragdolling a 75m ship and levitating multiple ones. Dooku is still on Vader's level. He didn't ragdoll or levitate anything, he flipped over one vessel and dragged a couple of others across the hangar, on a dark side nexus. It's an impressive feat but I wouldn't say it even puts him above Starkiller who can toss walkers, ragdoll TIE's in mid flight, hurl massive towers as missles and manipulate an ISD. Vader himself being capable of pulling freighters out of the sky some dozen years before his prime and casually launching upward massive metal platforms.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He didn't ragdoll or levitate anything, he flipped over one vessel and dragged a couple of others across the hangar, on a dark side nexus. It's an impressive feat but I wouldn't say it even puts him above Starkiller who can toss walkers, ragdoll TIE's in mid flight, hurl massive towers as missles and manipulate an ISD. Vader himself being capable of pulling freighters out of the sky some dozen years before his prime and casually launching upward massive metal platforms.

Looking at the text, it seems like he was levitating them:

They were nearing the end of the hangar. He sensed it rather than saw it. The corroded vehicles were more numerous now, lined up like dark, giant phantoms.

Like phantoms..

Phantoms that move...

And despite it being on a a nexus, I doubt RotS Dooku wouldn't be able to do this, since Korriban has lost its potency in modern times, and Dooku was four years pre-prime.

None of that stuff really impresses me more than this. Unless someone does accuarate calcs, I'll consider Dooku and Vader equals as telekinetics.

Ragdolling 75 ships vs Ragdolling a guy who pulverizes 150 ships mmm

Yeah, we gona need calcs for that.

75+

Starkiller blew everything on that, whereas Dooku did his feats with ease, and he threw several in rapid succession, IIRC.

Tyranus did also throw them (or their wreckage?) together to create wreckage to block the hangar entrance.

With ease?

Dooku is a legit beast, the diminished Nexus on Korriban is obviously nothing like Vjun, and it's more than possible that his learned-power after that point could make up the difference.

He gained power from using holocrons, and his potential in the Force was enigmatic for even Yoda, so it's not hard to imagine that he grew in power in the four or so remaining years of his life, which would be enough to (more than) make up for the pathetically weak nexus of Korriban at the time.

Originally posted by Azronger
Looking at the text, it seems like he was levitating them:

They were nearing the end of the hangar. He sensed it rather than saw it. The corroded vehicles were more numerous now, lined up like dark, giant phantoms.

Like phantoms..

Phantoms that move...

And despite it being on a a nexus, I doubt RotS Dooku wouldn't be able to do this, since Korriban has lost its potency in modern times, and Dooku was four years pre-prime. Because? The fact they were moving doesn't mean they were levitating.

And for someone of his age, not convinced four years would make that much of a difference, though its probably worth doing more research into the potency of the planet. The most damning point against the Count here being that he's never replicated it anywhere else, certainly he doesn't unleash anything remotely comparable against Yoda.I think they are all in the same league when you consider the weight manipulated, forces counteracted, and distance from prime. For example the communications tower Marek launched:

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By eyeballing alone I'd say is entering the same size range, and in the same title Vader ragdolls him.

Then we have Marek manipulating an ISD, a vessel infinitely larger than the ones Dooku is playing with. And Vader pulling down a freighter, which are typically 30-40m long, rather than just shifting one, a dozen years before his prime. Personally I find Vader's superiority to a telekinetic powerhouse like Marek in general to be more compelling evidence of power.

Those towers don't look 75m plus, and Dooku was doing it with (much) greater ease.

Also, you can't debunk someone's best feat by saying they've never done anything as good, lol. By that logic, you can strip anyone of their best showing.

Likewise, claiming that he's never displayed it in combat is pretty flawed. Vader doesn't show anything close to cathedral busting and his other environmentally destructive showings in fights as well. Likewise, Yoda never displays anything close to his top TK feats against Sidious in the Senate with the pods, etc., etc. - the movies just don't depict telekinetic potency anywhere near the EU, obviously.