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*Tenebrous gets 10 minutes prep*
1. Force
2. Sabers
3. All-out

Can Tenebrous use complex mathematics to get the drop on Vitiate?

Tenebrous wins sabers because, you know

Vitiate stomps all else

Not sure. Leaning Vitiate.
Tenebrous.
Not sure.

How does Vitiate circumvent red lightning that leaves residual electrical bolts?

If one subscribes to the notion that Plagueis > SWTOR Vitiate, then Tenebrous wouldn't be particularly far off novel Vitiate in the Force, if at all.

Obviously Rugess creams him in sabers.

Originally posted by SunRazer
If one subscribes to the notion that Plagueis > SWTOR Vitiate, then Tenebrous wouldn't be particularly far off novel Vitiate in the Force, if at all.

Obviously Rugess creams him in sabers.

1. Prob Vitiate
2. Tenebrous
3. Tenebrous

Originally posted by JKBart
Tenebrous wins sabers because, you know

Vitiate stomps all else

I still haven't seen a quality reason to take novel blurbs/publisher summaries as gospel.

Nothing is ever "gospel", bar the films themselves. But it's something nevertheless.

Novel Vitiate isn't very good.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I still haven't seen a quality reason to take novel blurbs/publisher summaries as gospel.

I mean, the Publisher's Summary needed to be LucasArts approved and, unless something in our out of universe contradicts it(besides the "feats only" mindset) there's no reason to assume it's wrong.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Nothing is ever "gospel", bar the films themselves. But it's something nevertheless.

I pretty much take most sourcebook statements gospel, yeah. Like, if a Star Wars encyclopedia says Maul is more powerful than Dooku, or something along those lines, then I'm inclined to believe it until contradicted.

Then you don't have to take these blurbs as gospel for them to serve as the tipping point. It's not as though the notion is preposterous that Plagueis, one generation removed from Sidious himself, can't be stronger than Vitiate when he unbalances the Force by meditating.

Originally posted by MythLord
I mean, the Publisher's Summary needed to be LucasArts approved and, unless something in our out of universe contradicts it(besides the "feats only" mindset) there's no reason to assume it's wrong.

So are the Insiders vs series, and that one book that has Vader beating Yoda, and Plo > Talzin.

Sorry if I'm a bit skeptical by something that is strictly there to grab attention, and sell books.

Not sure
Tenebrous
Tenebrous

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Not sure
Tenebrous
Tenebrous

Responses in this thread are mindbogglingly rich.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Novel Vitiate isn't very good.
Ever wonder why a debate with you is a useless exercise?

Vitiate.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Vitiate.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Responses in this thread are mindbogglingly rich.


Ever wonder why a debate with you is a useless exercise?
Including yours

Because he always wins?

Originally posted by Ursumeles

Because he always wins?

Holy shit

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Holy shit
Why? Lol.

Legend just got burned more badly than Revan

LMAO

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Including yours

Because he always wins?
Really now?

Vitiate (Revan) defeated Revan (Reborn) in single combat. That in itself is an accomplishment greater than any of Darth Tenebrous.

OMFGROFL

Originally posted by The Ellimist

Win again, for me

Vitiate dominates, honestly.

Even in sabers?

No, because that isn't his thing.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vitiate dominates, honestly.

Bump for reasons.
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Vitiate fries him with lightning.

Vitiate, comfortably

Tenebrous. Vishitiate isn't winning this without his nexus.

Vitiate>Revan>>Tenebrous

Kek.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Vitiate>Revan>>Tenebrous

Tenebrous > Vitiate > Revan

Deronn, should we make a spearate thread or do it here?

Here would be fine.

I'll have my legit, troll free, case up for Vitiate later today.

The first and the last post he will do in this debate

Maybe two post. I usually get lazy around the time of the second reply, but we'll see.

My inbox on CV is full of half written drafts for debaters I was in, but never replied, lal.

Please, tell us more about all the debaters you were inside.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
for debaters I was in.

http://i.imgur.com/RjeOl29.gif

You gay f-uck.

F-uck you, this is the second time you ninja me phag. One more and there will be consequences.

The Freudian slip.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Here would be fine.

I'll have my legit, troll free, case up for Vitiate later today.

Sounds good

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Please, tell us more about all the debaters you were inside.

Ugh. >_<

Deronn, do you have your argument done soon?

Yesh, been gradually working on it all day in fact.

Tenebrous scales over 30 featless Sith Lords, he stomps

Don't forgets about the red lightning and complex mathematics.

Don't forget to make an actual case this time.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Here would be fine.

I'll have my legit, troll free, case up for Vitiate later today.

Originally posted by carthage
Tenebrous scales over 30 featless Sith Lords, he stomps

Petrus, DC and others still with their brains in the gutter, sad.

lal, I'm just messing around tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Petrus, DC and others still with their brains in the gutter, sad.

I like to believe I'm the only sane man in a world full of retards.

With you leading the pack of the mentally impaired course.

tenebrous coz screw walk

Oh, and Az, I'll have my post up in a few hours, so sit tight.

az wreck this

Last time I made a post conceding Vitiate v Tenebrous, he failed to respond.

Step back and let the master debate.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Step back and let the master debate. Nova is here? Or even Tempest?

Nah, but good luck.
I will see fowards it. I hope you both will respond, KEK.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nova is here? Or even Tempest?

Again, a crackhead calling Kate Upton homely. You can take Az's place here if you want.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Again, a crackhead calling Kate Upton homely. You can take Az's place here if you want.
Damn Any reason you see all shit I post as Insult?
Nah, Az is a fine debater. He will do it

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Last time I made a post conceding Vitiate v Tenebrous, he failed to respond.

Step back and let the master debate.

Lack of motivation and other debates took the precedence. This time, I will respond. I already have a rough draft of Tenebrous' case ready.

Vitiate wins easily.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Damn Any reason you see all shit I post as Insult?

Because you do? Or at least attempt to, lmao.

Post your f*cking argument already.

Vitiate

Alright, let's start with a holistic/logical inference side of the argument, then move on from that to the power scaling/showings side. Logically, Vitiate, even at this stage, should be Tenebrous', superior. Tenebrae, by the age of 13, had already:

- Mind dominated his father and powerful Sith who governed over the entire planet in Lord Dramath

- He was also knowledgeable/masterful enough in the Force to make complex Holocron's and even trap the essence of Dramath in one.

- Made short work of any Sith that got in his way, and took over an entire planet by the time he was 13.

_______________________________

The dominance Vitiate displayed at such a young age is unprecedented by nearly anyone in the mythos. Even before the Nathema ritual, his potential in the Force was phenomenal and his intrinsic aptitude in using it, even better. So,I think it goes without saying, that Vitiate's raw power is utterly unholy, as his accolades back. With sources listing him as a"Force prodigy", while others call him "supremely powerful". Even Marka Ragnos recognized his great"incredible" power in the Force and personally bestowed onto him the name Lord Vitiate. Albeit, out of all these accolades, the one I find the most interesting is the supreme quote, mainly because it can potentially entail:

1. By it's most technical definition, supreme and by extension, the adverb supremely, meansthe highest of rank, the best, or the greatest. So,one way it could be read it as Vitiate being the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy, even at the tender age of 13.

2. Supremely strong -- could have been referring to his potential rather than actualized power --- which makes sense given what he later accomplished. Also, the fact that many characters who had top-tier potential, but relatively lacking actualized power, has been afforded hype/accolades similar to the above, despite not being at the level vaunted level bestowed on them at. If this proposed hypothesis is true, it would meanever before he vastly increased his capacity as a Force user, his Force potential superseded the likes of Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow - two of the most powerful and revered Sith Lords to ever live.

3. The supremely powerful bit could have been strictly used as a hyperbolic term used to say Vitiate is very powerful. This seems to be the most likely and logical conclusion, but number 2 at least gives you food for thought.

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Over the next decade or so, Vitiate gained moreknowledge and mastery of the Force, as evidenced by the fact he personally applied the aforementioned mastery and understanding of the Force to concoct, by far, the most complex Ritual the galaxy had ever seen and further honed his skills until the end of the HyperspaceWar where he was, to quote, stronger than ever:http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/5666126-vitiate%27s+power+1.jpgVitiate then reached the pinnacle of his power when he orchestrated the ritual of Nethama, anact of Sith sorcery stated to be more complex than anything that came before, with the help of 8,000 other Sith Lords. In the aftermath of it all, Vitiate consumed all life on the entire planet, extending his life, vastly increasing his capacity as a Force user, and fueling his powerand forever leaving Nethama a complete and utter void in the Force:http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/5666038-5568066-untitled.jpg--Excerpt taken from The Old Republic
Encyclopedia

To summarize this all, even before devouring all life on Nethema - Vitiate was an exceptionally powerful Sith Lord having seemingly draining/severing his father from the Force, and dominating an entire planet at the age of 13, afterward, his strength only increased majorly - afterward. He further increased multiplied his power via draining an entire planet of the Force, brimming with life and filled with 8,000 fully Sith Lords. Even afterall this, Vitiate still had 1,000 years to further increase his power, as evidenced by experimenting and draining the knowledge/power of his captives over a thousand year span:
---Excerpt from Star Wars: Old Republic Encyclopedia

Having said all that, I can safely say, emphatically, that there is no way possible that Tenebrous has more Force power at his disposal than Vitiate.

Knowledge/Mastery? Vitiate absolutely has that in spades. Even as nothing more that a neophyte, Tenebrae was able to construct complex Holocron that could trap powerful Sith Lords in metaphysical prison, at the age of 8. He only honed his mastery even further and design the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery the galaxy has even seen, capable of defying the omnipresence of the Force itself by completely stripping its presence from an entire planet. He would further increased his knowledge over a thousands year period, including draining knowledge from The Dark Temple's captives, among other things.

Potential? He arguably set in this more than he is in knowledge. Not only was he pulling off showings that would be impressive to the likes of Darth Maul as a 10-years-old, while sporting accolades hailing him "supremely" powerful" he exponentially increased this by swallowing up planet, including 8,000 Sith Lords.

Intrinsic aptitude? The dude was pulling of feats at 10 that most Sith Lords couldn't at their peak.

Time? Vitiate had literally had a thousand years to grow and maximize the colossal potential highlighted in the paragraphs.

I just don't see am argument for Tenebrous being superior in the Force. Tenebrous being vastly above Bane? So what? I'd argue pre-Nethama Tenebrae is Bane's superior by virtua of what we know of his raw power, mastery knowledge - and peak novel Vitiate is so far above his pre-ritual self it ceases to be funny.

The feat game? Don't make me laugh. Nothing Tenebrous has done supersedes Vitiate - demolishing the DC, mind dominating Revan and Malik, frying Revan with lightning, among other things.

Holistically? In the novel, Vitiate was painted as the biggest threat the galaxy ever seen - more-so than even the capital ship raiser/planet eater in Darth Nihilus. I don't think an argument can really be made for Tenebrous being the bigger deal here either.

All in all, I see Vitiate taking it 10/10 every time based on being better in everything sans, martial combat and maybe barrier .

That's all for now - ball's in your court.

Feats for Vitiate that rival supposition based off of powerscaling bereft of any actual evidence from feats?

walking into someone's blade, being totally inept with a lightsaber, and getting scared of some girl with anger issues comes to mind

Originally posted by carthage
Feats for Vitiate that rival supposition based off of powerscaling bereft of any actual evidence from feats?

AP/Neph could have made a better case, and I still would have got cancer.

Looks decent. I'll have a response up either today or tomorrow.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
AP/Neph could have made a better case, and I still would have got cancer.

get out ta mah thread, or i'll report u for trolling.

>Makes fun of Tenebrous mainly relying on hype & powerscaling
>Makes a case for Vitiate that is almost entirely compromised of hype & powerscaling

KEK.

Decent opener for Shitiate, tho

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate wins easily.

Oh let them have their fun Anticus.

This is entertaining.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
>Makes fun of Tenebrous mainly relying on hype & powerscaling
>Makes a case for Vitiate that is almost entirely compromised of hype & powerscaling

It would have been a rather boring debate if one side used only scaling/hype while the others was just accolades and showings. Which is why most shied away from really using Tenebrous in CAV-type settings from the start. So I'm gonna beat Tenebrous - or, at least try to - at his own game.

How thoughtful of you.

Keep your sardonic attitude to yourself. >

It was a bad move.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
*Tenebrous gets 10 minutes prep*
Tenebrous wrecks.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It was a bad move.

Stop h8ing on my supreme skills.

supremely powerful?

Okay, I probably was a stretching a bit too far with the supremely powerful quote. :P

Not as far as Tenebrous stretches Vititate's anal cavity.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Not as far as Tenebrous stretches Vititate's anal cavity.

Always so delightful, little phag.

Not here to make you feel good, c-unt.

kek.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Not here to make you feel good, c-unt.

It's exactly what you're here for, ****face.

this isn't an escort hire, petrus. u took a wrong turn.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
this isn't an escort hire, petrus. u took a wrong turn.

Twice too. I don't swing that way. He could ask Joker, but he's a minor so...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
this isn't an escort hire, petrus. u took a wrong turn.

Nah. There are other ways to entertain me other than sexual pleasing.


Zoltan being the little **** he is is one of them.

LMAO how in the seven gates of hell is this shit debate-worthy?

The topic itself doesn't seem bad tbh. I think Plagueis would take Novel Vitiate, the same guy who Revan put up a fight against, so going one back in the Banite line to Tenebrous doesn't seem like a bad fight.

It gets retarded when you get to Azronger suggesting Vitiate gets stomped by Tenebrous.

This seems all the more retarded when you consider that Azronger is saying Tenebrous stomps Vitiate... yet he also obviously has Plagueis above Tenebrous... and he thinks ROTS Sidious can blitz Plagueis... and he thinks ROTJ Sidious is 1000X stronger than ROTS Sidious.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
LMAO how in the seven gates of hell is this shit debate-worthy? I'll open one up your ass if you keep talkin like that boi.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'll open one up your ass if you keep talkin like that boi.

Not sure if threat or motivation mmm

Goddamn... is FatedXXXBeni swooping in to fill the void FatedXXXAurbere left behind?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Goddamn... is FatedXXXBeni swooping in to fill the void FatedXXXAurbere left behind?

I Feel like FatedXXXDmb has more shippers tho.

Cuz the fans love the hate/rival dynamic ya know?

Fated x Zoltan
Beni x Ant
DMB x LSD

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Not sure if threat or motivation mmm He heh.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Beni x Ant

Also great post Az, very intriguing approach.

Lol.
Jk.
Actually Beni x Wollf tbh.

Decent response, Az!

Honestly after Ant flirting with Neph and Aurbere flirting with Ant... Ant seems to have a tendency to get involved with older men.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He heh.



Lol did you forget that I'm Bisexual xD


Originally posted by Ursumeles
Fated x Zoltan
Beni x Ant
DMB x LSD

Nope. Lol. Zoltan is just a rad dude.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Honestly after Ant flirting with Neph and Aurbere flirting with Ant... Ant seems to have a tendency to get involved with older men.

Lol you haven't changed. I make a remark about us and you awkwardly ignore it. Brings back memories lol

Thanks, Beni and Urs!

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Lol did you forget that I'm Bisexual xDNot with your texts still on my phone.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not with your texts still on my phone.

http://pa1.narvii.com/5707/608ff93e2a9d1757e489af5b40e172c645a58e8a_hq.gif

I'm done spamming this thread now

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Nope. Lol. Zoltan is just a rad dude.
And you're a Mexican.

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How does Tenebrous prep changes this battle?

Because he can mathematically calculate the ****ing future, lol. 10 minutes should be enough for him to write an equation that reveals all of Vitiate's weaknesses.

Tenebrous stomps.

AZ be wrecking

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Because he can mathematically calculate the ****ing future, lol. 10 minutes should be enough for him to write an equation that reveals all of Vitiate's weaknesses. Hilarious, but true.

Darth Tenebrous Chair of Dynamical Systems.

That hilarious circular logic.

I'll get to this when I can. I have a few tournaments on CV that takes precedence other this debate, unfortunately.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I'll get to this when I can.It begins.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It begins.
No. DC has failed us.

That RoT Sith grew stronger with each generation? Yeah. About the Sidious thing he said? Nah.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
That RoT Sith grew stronger with each generation? Yeah. About the Sidious thing he said? Nah. i was referring more so to the each one gets all the feats of every previous member, but in greater magnitude line of thought.

Well, if Tenebrous is more powerful he should be able to do better feats than the Sith before him. So, yeah.

Except the fact that, some people are blatantly better at some Force abilities than others, no matter the power gap that exist between the two - E.I. guys like Mara Jade, Streen, and Corran Horn.

But I'll get to that whenever I write up my response.

Yes, and I am not saying that Tenebrous is better in everything - just that his general power is better.
But I'll leave that for Az and you to debate.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yes, and I am not saying that Tenebrous is better in everything - just that his general power is better.

TK and such? Sure.

Force Phantoms, though? You have got to be ****ing kidding me.

Yeah, we don't know if Tene can use them, kek.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
general power
unparalleled child prodigy who ate a world has less general power than tenebrous?

damn kek

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
unparalleled child prodigy who ate a world has less general power than tenebrous?

damn kek
I am talking about prior-RoT Sith kek.

u prolly think he has more general power than tenebrae too tho

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Except the fact that, some people are blatantly better at some Force abilities than others, no matter the power gap that exist between the two - E.I. guys like Mara Jade, Streen, and Corran Horn.

But I'll get to that whenever I write up my response. exactly. It would be silly to think that each successor to Cognus would have superior force dampening abilities or abity to see the future just because each generation becomes more powerful in general.

I also dont see how someone like venemis would even be mentioned with him being a failed apprentice and not a true successor.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
u prolly think he has more general power than tenebrae too tho
SWTOR Vitiate is obviously above 'brous.
I will see how I rank Novel! Vitiate after this debate.

Tenebrae killed supremely sith lord and ruled over peasants, he is so strong.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yes, and I am not saying that Tenebrous is better in everything - just that his general power is better.
But I'll leave that for Az and you to debate. so then u disagree with Azronger and u dont think they get all previous feats and in greater magnitude?

Originally posted by Raptor22
so then u disagree with Azronger and u dont think they get all previous feats and in greater magnitude? You mean like Tenebrous having better Force Phantoms like Vectivus? Yeah. But I don't remember him implying that. Then again, I am tired af kek.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
whenever I write up my response. He be droppin hints folks.

Another dead debate, KMC is becoming a parody of itself.

More like Deronn is becoming a parody of himself.

But if anyone wants to take his place, feel free to.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Another dead debate, KMC is becoming a parody of itself.

lmao.

As I stated before, I have multiple tournament matches over on CV that takes absolute presidence over debating Az on this, or any subject really lal.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
lmao.

As I stated before, I have multiple tournament matches over on CV that takes absolute presidence over debating Az on this, or any subject really lal.

At least finish one of those, hon. :3

Zorc Necrophades
Emperor Vitiate
Jacen Solo

Noice Team, Deronn