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Rules
*Shimrra as he was amped by Onimi
*The opponents have basic knowledge on Yuuzhan Vong
*Full heal after each round
*Fight takes place where Onimi fought Jacen

The Gauntlet
1. Sirak|Scrouge
2. Darth Wyyrlok|Darth Krayt
3. Mace Windu|Darth Tyranus
4. Darth Caedus|Jaina Solo
5. Revan|Valkorion
6. Darth Krayt|Darth Caedus
7. TUF Luke Skywalker|TUF Jacen Solo
8. Darth Sidious(pre-Plagueis death)|Darth Plagueis
9. Darth Sidious(RotS)|Yoda(RotS)
10. TUF Luke|Darth Caedus
Boss: TUF Luke|Yoda(RotS)

9.

5.

2 or 4.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
2-4.
How?

Krayt and Caedus are in that zone between Vader and Palpatine. Jaina is relevant too. But they definitely stop at 6.

Tbfh, Jaina and especially Wyyrlok lose decievsly against either.

I still chuckle at Caedus > Vader, lmao. Or the notion that he's in Krayt's tier.

You know nerfing Caedus also nerfs Kyp right?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
You know nerfing Caedus also nerfs Kyp right?
Why?


BTW, Caedus not in Krayts tier? Really? Lmao.

Not really.

I rank Vader in the top 5 most powerful Sith Lords, lmao. And Krayt, on Plagueis' tier.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Why?


BTW, Caedus not in Krayts tier? Really? Lmao.

I'm totally willing to hear arguments then random LMAO. No longer will Jacen Solo get by strictly off rep, and unfounded hype.

Caedus > Kyp by the opinion of like every character in LotF.

Anyway, even ignoring the blurb you're dismissing on no grounds but your own personal preferences, Caedus has fooled Luke with illusions, mortally wounded Katarn who was aided by a strike team in like seven seconds, fought off a Luke-amped (equivalent?) Jaina while only having one arm, deflected turbolasers and put Luke in a bacta tank for days following their fight.

In comparison, Vader was stalemated by a Luke forty years from the one Caedus would face. And he would get close to oneshotted by Sidious.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Caedus > Kyp by the opinion of like every character in LotF.
Caedus has fooled Luke with illusions
And he would get close to oneshotted by Sidious.
I never thought that I would argue against Caedus, lol.
1. Probably because Caedus is a vastly superior duelist.
2. Wat, when?
3. Sidious would also come close to oneshotting Caedus, tbfh.

As a combatant, sure. I mostly praise Kyp for his prowess in the Force, which he outstrips Jacen Solo in honestly.



We should also except the Star Wars Insider vs Series, as well as the head-to-head books since they were authorized and licensed by Lucasfilm, too. They were also considered C-canon since the books/magazine they were in were as well. And even written by respectable figures within Lucasfilm group. They happen to state peak Vader > Yoda, which, by your logic, is totally canon.

Give me an actual reason, or an authoritative statement that novel blurbs are considered canon then I'll entertain whatever you is you have to say.



So has Corran Horn, color me impressed.



The strike team was nigh-featless as the time, as Katarn was the only one actually worth while. The Katarn showing is a nice one, but then again I've never put Vader over Caedus as a duelist either. But Vader's advantage holding an advantage over Starkiller, before becoming a "far more formidable" foe, is enough to suggest he isn't lagging far behind.



Given a large body of Jaina's praise comes from her showings against Caedus, I'm not overly impressed as I used to be by this.


Been debunked, as it never happened.



With numerous factors and such in his favor, against a Luke that was highly inconsistent during the series?


A conflicted Vader as pointed out by various sources.



Your arbitrary fan fiction is noted, but can't be proved either way. Regardless, Luke treated Jacen like a ***** without showing any notable strain, and having casual conversation, so go phucking figure man.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
As a combatant, sure. I mostly praise Kyp for his prowess in the Force, which he outstrips Jacen Solo in honestly.


I'm actually not so sure if nobody in LotF said such a thing directly about his Force prowess. But now we agree that he's > Kyp as a combatant, which does set a lower limit for his Force abilities. Realistically I'd say it makes it unlikely that he isn't at least Galen Marek tier in the Force, not unless if you think he can barely hold a lightsaber.



I never said the blurb was infallible, but you haven't provided any evidence to actively counter it.



What you just said; they're authorized by Lucasfilm. Again, nobody's denying you the right to come up with countervailing evidence.



Yeah, and Corran is one of the best illusionists ever; it's like his specialty, and he's probably > Vader in it.




The impressive part is in how quickly he does it; the narrator keeps track of the time that transpired and it was only somewhat longer than the B-team. This is the Katarn who was hanging with >B-team tier combatants like Jerec when he had like a week of training.



Jaina was being amped by Luke. I'd even argue that her strength in the Force was effectively equal to Luke's, given that Caedus thought it was him and didn't think his Uncle was weaker than usual.



Jaina said it did, to Boba.



Yep. But the inconsistency factor is sort of moot given Luke's anger and desire to kill (which is almost never replicated through the rest of LotF), and no, I don't think Vader would last very long against Palpatine even if the latter had an injured knee and there were some Vong traps.

We should note that Luke was put into a bacta tank for several days following the fight, as C3PO would later note in LotF: Invincible. Caedus lost, yes, but he still put up a hell of a fight, and even given the advantages he had, he pulled off something that I couldn't imagine Vader doing, not when Vader couldn't even beat a Luke with like a few months of training.



It's suggested in various sources that they were equals with a blade, and suggested by exactly zero that Vader was under-performing. In fact, Luke was the one very visibly holding back throughout the fight, to the point of putting his lightsaber away and literally refusing to fight him.

Then when Luke goes into rage mode he overwhelms Vader to the point that the latter can barely walk around or stand even when Luke isn't touching him. Do you think a pissed off RotJ Luke ~ LotF Luke?



Luke caught him off guard. The fact of the matter is that Caedus is a legitimate challenge to a Sidious tier foe, while Vader is basically terrified of Palpatine in every capacity. The two aren't in the same tier.

Stops at 3.

When did Caedus fooled Luke with illusions?

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Also:
Originally posted by Ursumeles
When did Caedus fooled Luke with illusions?

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7-9.

5 is way better than 6.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
5.

I see Valkorion soloing round 5, tbh.

Do you think that they could beat 6 or even 7?

Nah, lightning would do them in. Though, honestly, too little is truly known about the Vong to properly place them.