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Fight to ko or death on the streets of Hells Kitchen.

Elektra has her sais, Daredevil has his billy club, and Shang Chi has his nunchuks.

No other weapons or gear, besides regular costumes.

Who wins?

DD. Best fighter here + home field advantage.

I don't believe Matt has anything quite on the level of crippling an Aleph, surviving a direct hit from a Hulk level being, defeating a Doombot (twice), or surviving against a warrior fast enough to cut a bullet in half (Though not beat him, but simply last long enough for it's animating force to burn out.)

If any of those things were in this battle I might consider Shang Chi. But since it's just martial artists, I'm more interested in their performances against such. I believe DD has the best record here against other street level martial artists.

i'd take matt too i think, but each could get some wins here.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
If any of those things were in this battle I might consider Shang Chi. But since it's just martial artists, I'm more interested in their performances against such. I believe DD has the best record here against other street level martial artists.

He's lost to Frank Castle.

Sure, stun gun, but that's fair game.

If you want to compare similar opponents, for my money Shang looked better against Spidey the one time they faced off, against most of the many times Matt did.

They both also fought Danny Rand. And while Matt looked decent, if you consider Danny was handicapping himself by copying Matt's style, while Shang outright held his own and looked a tad better...?

Yeah. Frank's a cool dude.

Danny threw an Iron Fist pretty quickly so I'm not sure how long he kept up copying Matt's style.

I didn't know Iron Fist had fought Shang Chi. Can you elaborate please?

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Danny threw an Iron Fist pretty quickly so I'm not sure how long he kept up copying Matt's style.

I didn't know Iron Fist had fought Shang Chi. Can you elaborate please? I'm not sure about Danny having fought shang, but the cat did really well against him.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
DD. Best fighter here + home field advantage.

Not too sure about that. Fighting in Hell's Kitchen didn't stop Elektra from beating Matt down recently over a "misunderstanding."

Originally posted by thanos-prime
I believe DD has the best record here against other street level martial artists.

I believe the records are close with a slight edge to Elektra.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Not too sure about that. Fighting in Hell's Kitchen didn't stop Elektra from beating Matt down recently over a "misunderstanding."



I believe the records are close with a slight edge to Elektra. I'm not so sure about it being a slight edge to her. Even when Matt went all out against her, he got wrecked when she stopped holding back.

Yeah, I was talking about their records overall, and not just against each other.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm not so sure about it being a slight edge to her. Even when Matt went all out against her, he got wrecked when she stopped holding back.
That's never happened.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Not too sure about that. Fighting in Hell's Kitchen didn't stop Elektra from beating Matt down recently over a "misunderstanding."



I believe the records are close with a slight edge to Elektra.
Eh? She ambushed him and he was trying to reason with her while she was bloodlusted.

That's far from her beating him down.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh? She ambushed him and he was trying to reason with her while she was bloodlusted.

That's far from her beating him down.

Not an ambushed because it was a previously agreed upon meeting, and DD knew she was there.

It was exactly a beatdown b/c Elektra almost killed him twice. And even if Matt was holding back in the beginning, he got very serious quickly thereafter. After Elektra was going in for the killing strike and Blindspot stop her, then she broke his arm.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's never happened. I recall one instance in which elektra showed up in matt's bedroom, he tries to beat her (even though she was trying not to fight) and when she got serious, she laid him out.

Yep. Elektra's kind of left Matt in the dust.

Heck, even Ennis played her up as the definitive badass martial artist opposite Frank Castle.

That said, Shang has the best performance against Gorgon of any martial artist (Except maybe Danny, though his fight was so short.)

Originally posted by cdtm
I don't believe Matt has anything quite on the level of crippling an Aleph

Ultron...

Originally posted by deathslash
I recall one instance in which elektra showed up in matt's bedroom, he tries to beat her (even though she was trying not to fight) and when she got serious, she laid him out.

Yeah, Matt went crazy on her as if she was responsible for killing Harambe, landed some good all-out hits... and she still put him in a hold.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ultron...

O_o I need to read that. Sounds too stupid and awesome not to have read it.

It was a shared feat, as he had Karnak's help... but Murdock's part in it was still considerable.

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Originally posted by Supermutant
Not an ambushed because it was a previously agreed upon meeting, and DD knew she was there.

It was exactly a beatdown b/c Elektra almost killed him twice. And even if Matt was holding back in the beginning, he got very serious quickly thereafter. After Elektra was going in for the killing strike and Blindspot stop her, then she broke his arm.
That's because he wasn't expecting her to attack him. Originally posted by deathslash
I recall one instance in which elektra showed up in matt's bedroom, he tries to beat her (even though she was trying not to fight) and when she got serious, she laid him out.
She ambushed him again and he was distracted by news on TV. Before that he was beating her ass down.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was a shared feat, as he had Karnak's help... but Murdock's part in it was still considerable.

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i loved that book....

daredevil wins this

Originally posted by Dareangel
daredevil wins this ......no he doesn't

Originally posted by deathslash
......no he doesn't

thats your opinion.

Originally posted by Dareangel
thats your opinion. it's actually an established fact. Matt has been taken down by elektra on more than one occasion and no matter how many high showings Matt has, nothing will change that.

Originally posted by deathslash
it's actually an established fact. Matt has been taken down by elektra on more than one occasion and no matter how many high showings Matt has, nothing will change that.

a fact is an ultimate proof and reality which cant be argued. the sun is shining its a fact. i posted this post its a fact. please present the undenied and unarguable evidentual fact that daredevil simply cant beat his love elektra. again, his LOVE, he holds back against her. i can bring bullseye besting and beating elektra, gorgon beating elektra, then daredevil defeating them to already make it arguable if she can beat him or not. top of the cake is taskmaster beating up elektra using matts style. therefor, it cannot be a fact. had to waste some time on educating you about facts and showings, but hey, i understand your urge to get back at me after all this ownage i dropped on you previously. so...

Originally posted by Dareangel
a fact is an ultimate proof and reality which cant be argued. the sun is shining its a fact. i posted this post its a fact. please present the undenied and unarguable evidentual fact that daredevil simply cant beat his love elektra. again, his LOVE, he holds back against her. i can bring bullseye besting and beating elektra, gorgon beating elektra, then daredevil defeating them to already make it arguable if she can beat him or not. top of the cake is taskmaster beating up elektra using matts style. therefor, it cannot be a fact. had to waste some time on educating you about facts and showings, but hey, i understand your urge to get back at me after all this ownage i dropped on you previously. so... How about the time that Matt fought the ghost maker and was getting his ass beat until elektra came and helped him? It's also worth noting that shang chi did better against the ghost maker than matt did. You mean her showing against bullseye when she's poisoned and he's amped by the magic of the hand with the backup of some of the hand's finest and he outright says that if she were at her best, she'd beat him every day and twice on Sunday? Funny how you bring up a singular fight from around 30 years ago but you magically manage to ignore the fight that literally happened around two years ago. You mean when Matt got in a suckershot? How about this, prove that he did that of his own power. Prove that Luke cage or spider-man didn't give him a fastball special. Also, you yourself said that using ABC logic is wrong. Guess that proves that you're a hypocrite. Oh, you mean when it's outright noted that taskmaster using matt's style was affecting her emotionally? Yeah, she beat the crap out of him the second time that they fought. God, even when you try to post evidence, you just prove how wrong you really are. Crawl back under your bridge troll. You couldn't beat me on your best day and you're not going to beat me now.

Originally posted by deathslash
How about the time that Matt fought the ghost maker and was getting his ass beat until elektra came and helped him? It's also worth noting that shang chi did better against the ghost maker than matt did. You mean her showing against bullseye when she's poisoned and he's amped by the magic of the hand with the backup of some of the hand's finest and he outright says that if she were at her best, she'd beat him every day and twice on Sunday? Funny how you bring up a singular fight from around 30 years ago but you magically manage to ignore the fight that literally happened around two years ago. You mean when Matt got in a suckershot? How about this, prove that he did that of his own power. Prove that Luke cage or spider-man didn't give him a fastball special. Also, you yourself said that using ABC logic is wrong. Guess that proves that you're a hypocrite. Oh, you mean when it's outright noted that taskmaster using matt's style was affecting her emotionally? Yeah, she beat the crap out of him the second time that they fought. God, even when you try to post evidence, you just prove how wrong you really are. Crawl back under your bridge troll. You couldn't beat me on your best day and you're not going to beat me now.

again, a wall of ranting and moaning wont change the fact that you thinking elektra wins is simply and opinion. it cant be a fact because it can be argued due to context and other events. you realized that and decided to post a scroll of text trying to crawl out of this. but anyone will tell you that spamming the thread with walls wont change the fact you are simply wrong. do you understand that? not to mention some of your post contains again, your personal opinion. i will repeat myself again. elektra was beat up several times by bullseye. she was defeated by gorgon. matt beat them. taskmaster used daredevils style to defeat elektra. matt is inlove with elektra he holds back against her. therefor taking all this into consideration, it cant be a fact anyone of them is beating up the other. you are trying to drag me into debating feats and topping this and that. i dont need to top anything because my argument is simple. you cant present anyone out of them as the winner by a fact. do you understand this? i see plenty of cool people on those boards. but i also see there are couple ego maniacs like you and this abhi guy that just never let go even when they are blanatly wrong. how childish can you be?

Originally posted by Dareangel
again, a wall of ranting and moaning wont change the fact that you thinking elektra wins is simply and opinion. it cant be a fact because it can be argued due to context and other events. you realized that and decided to post a scroll of text trying to crawl out of this. but anyone will tell you that spamming the thread with walls wont change the fact you are simply wrong. do you understand that? not to mention some of your post contains again, your personal opinion. i will repeat myself again. elektra was beat up several times by bullseye. she was defeated by gorgon. matt beat them. taskmaster used daredevils style to defeat elektra. matt is inlove with elektra he holds back against her. therefor taking all this into consideration, it cant be a fact anyone of them is beating up the other. you are trying to drag me into debating feats and topping this and that. i dont need to top anything because my argument is simple. you cant present anyone out of them as the winner by a fact. do you understand this? i see plenty of cool people on those boards. but i also see there are couple ego maniacs like you and this abhi guy that just never let go even when they are blanatly wrong. how childish can you be? *complains about a wall of text*
*creates a wall of text full of complaining*

Seriously? You're still using ABC logic to prove your personal opinion? Elektra on her best day has beaten Matt on his best day. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by deathslash
*complains about a wall of text*
*creates a wall of text full of complaining*

Seriously? You're still using ABC logic to prove your personal opinion? Elektra on her best day has beaten Matt on his best day. Plain and simple.

i am not complaining. i am simply answering you and once again showing that you are wrong. and by wrong i mean completely wrong. this is not ABC logic but a very valid base. if there is an enemy that faced both combatants in a fight, and it wasnt PIS or some special context behind it, then it can give some ground for speculations. if we exclude all fights vs other characters, and valid only the ones where the characters are strictly fighting each other, we will be left with very little to almost non base to speculate. again, i already pointed out why anything that you say is your own opinion. claiming otherwise will be stupid.

CIS is still in play; Matt's love for Elektra is still there, no?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
CIS is still in play; Matt's love for Elektra is still there, no?

well normally she also doesnt want to hurt him. if CIS will be on, they will team up on shang and then it will be sex all over the place

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Is that Shadowland Daredevil?

That whole run is basically Matt out of character. Even though it does appear he's seriously holding back on Elektra.

Originally posted by cdtm
Is that Shadowland Daredevil?

That whole run is basically Matt out of character. Even though it does appear he's seriously holding back on Elektra.

New Series this year #6 see first scan. Matt was holding back until Elektra broke his sidekick's arm.

Originally posted by cdtm
Is that Shadowland Daredevil?

That whole run is basically Matt out of character. Even though it does appear he's seriously holding back on Elektra.

- 100 credibility points

Are you living in a cave with no Internet?

That's DD's new look... and Shadowland, even with all tie-in issues, was so ridiculously short, you should've learned it by heart by now It was never intended to be an actual event, but editors were bent on spamming those.

Cover was also posted; back then, Diggle was writing DD solo book, not Soule.

You could make this Shang-Chi and Elektra vs Daredevil, and he'd still win. Anyone who thinks otherwise is trippin' and a fool.

That DD fanboy act got old, MM. Think of something new

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That DD fanboy act got old, MM. Think of something new


Act?

Yes. It's just an act, you didn't fool anyone.

Your J'onn obsession, on the other hand... seems pretty real

Long as he knows Danny pwn's Matt, we're good.

Hell nah. Matt drops Danny like the chump he is.