Rank the Most Powerful Beings of Whatever Category You Want

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Geistalt
Unamped Force-Sensitives with Definitive Feats:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Valkorion
4. Yoda
5. Darth Plagueis
6. Darth Caedus
7. Darth Venamis
8. Revan
9. Starkiller
10. Darth Krayt

SWTOR NPCs:
1. Ancient Threat
2. Worldbreaker Monolith
3. Lance Squadron Command Unit
4. Colossal Monolith
5. Revan
6. HK-47
7. The Underlurker
8. Malaphar the Savage
9. Lucky
10. Dreadtooth
11. The Dread Masters
12. The Terror from Beyond
13. Golden Fury
14. Styrak's Kell Dragon
15. Corruptor Zero
16. Grob'Thok
17. Gate Commander Draxus
18. Nefra
19. Thrasher
20. Titan 6
21. Dash'Roode
22. Kephess the Undying
23. Operator IX
24. The Writhing Horror
25. Soa
26. Colonel Vorgath
27. Gharj
28. Annihilation Droid XRR-3
29. Other World Bosses
30. Darth Malgus
31. Arcann
32. Exarchs
33. Senya
34. Vaylin
35. Lord Tagriss
36. Corrupted Sithspawn Experiment
37. Shield Squadron Unit 1
38. Commander Mokan
39. Satele Shan
40. Darth Marr
41. Darth Mortis
42. Shae Vizla
43. Commander Rand
44. Ortuno
45. M2-AUX Manaan Foreman
46. Lord Goh / Commander Jensyn
47. Darth Soverus / Oric Traless
48. Liam Dentiri / Lord Renning / Riilna
49. Kuat Drive Yards Bosses
50. The Vigilant
51. Tol Braga
52. Darth Arkous / Colonel Darok
53. Darth Serevin / Queneth Li
54. Darth Baras
55. Lord Scourge
56. Lord Draahg
57. Lana Beniko / Theron Shan
58. Darth Jadus
59. Jaric Kaedan
60. Darth Thanaton

I refuse to rank any of the characters from Karagga's Palace, characters from event Operations, characters from The Ravagers, or Emperor's Voices.

Sithspawn:
1. Anakin Skywalker
2. Monolith
3. Sea Leviathan
4. Dark Side Horror
5. Sith Wyrm
6. Massassi
7. Leviathan
8. Terentatek
9. Rakghoul
10. Whatever Gharj is.

Force-Sensitives (with Amps):
1. Abeloth
2. Anakin Skywalker (Mortis)
3. Jacen Solo (Oneness)
4. Luke Skywalker (Oneness)
5. Kyp Durron (Possessed)
6. Sarasu Taalon (Pool of Knowledge)
7. Darth Sidious
8. Valkorion
10. Mace Windu (Vaapad)

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by Geistalt
Unamped Force-Sensitives with Definitive Feats:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Valkorion
4. Yoda
5. Darth Plagueis
6. Darth Caedus
7. Darth Venamis
8. Revan
9. Starkiller
10. Darth Krayt
?????????????????

Emperordmb
Yeah, Venamis doesn't even get Banite scaling lmfao

The Ellimist
Tenebrous is prob > Vader.

FreshestSlice
Anakin isn't sithspawn, and obviously Mortikin is greater than anything else in the list he's in.

Ursumeles
Venamis>Krayt and co. and Possesses Kyp>Sidious? LMFAO

Azronger
Yeah, what the hell?

Ursumeles
Most powerful non-entity females, Legends only:

1. Gethzerion
-Darth Gean-
2. Darth Traya
3. Yaddle
-Cognus-
4. Leia/Zannah
5. Nomi Sunrider
6. Jaina
7. Vaylin
8./9. Exile/Mara
10. Darth Nyriss

chingchangwalla
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Most powerful non-entity females, Legends only:

1. Gethzerion
-Darth Gean-
2. Darth Traya
3. Yaddle
-Cognus-
4. Leia/Zannah
5. Nomi Sunrider
6. Jaina
7. Vaylin
8./9. Exile/Mara
10. Darth Nyriss

Christ. This is a joke right?

Ursumeles
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Christ. This is a joke right?
y

Geistalt
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Anakin isn't sithspawn, and obviously Mortikin is greater than anything else in the list he's in.

He was birthed through Sith alchemy, and I'm ranking them by potential; he's more like the 4th on the list purely in terms of unamped showings.

SunRazer
Soa nineteen spots below HK-47? LMFAO.

Geistalt
Originally posted by SunRazer
Soa nineteen spots below HK-47? LMFAO. You're right; I should resonsider where I rank him and Styrak's Kell Dragon.

Geistalt
Most Powerful Female Force-Users by Feats and Inferential Data:

1. Gethzerion
2. Jaina Solo
3. Darth Nyriss
4. Shaak Ti
5. Darth Gean
6. Darth Cognus
7. Darth Zannah
8. Vaylin
9. Darth Traya
10. Meetra Surik

Geistalt
Vaylin's well above Nyriss now (probably Nyriss, as well).

SunRazer
What is your obsession with Venamis, lol?

Also, that list of most powerful females is just...

Originally posted by Geistalt
Vaylin's well above Nyriss now (probably Nyriss, as well).

And Nyriss as well?

Deronn_solo
Vaylin at her peak is > Gethzerion, honestly.

Geistalt
*Jaina

And I know I left out Yaddle and Vergere.

These lists of mine are the epitome of Idiot Ball hang

btw, do you think Anakin could kill a Sith Wyrm?

Who am I kidding? Of course he couldn't.

And I know it was retarded to rank Venamis that high without including Tenebrous, but Plagueis literally mistook him for Tenebrous at first, so go fvck a duck if you still want to whine about it.

Droids:
1. IG-88
2. ARIES
3. Z0-0M
4. HK-47
5. G0-T0
6. SCORPIO
7. Titan 6
8. 4-LOM
9. R2-D2
10. HK-51

Let me know if you have any better suggestions.

SunRazer
So what if Plagueis at a distance mistook a Bith who was using Concealment for Tenebrous?

Are you ranking those droids on combat feats? G0-T0 looks pretty high. Don't know what ARIES is. I might just be having a memory lapse.

Kurk
Individuals who were victims of Sai cha:
1. Dooku
2. Lumiya
3. Warb Null
4. Valenthyne Farfalla
5. Vindican
6. Pre-Vizsla
7. Jango Fett

NewGuy01
Originally posted by SunRazer
Don't know what ARIES is. I might just be having a memory lapse.

The new KOTFE droid... thing.

SunRazer
Oh. I probably wouldn't know, then.

Geistalt
Originally posted by SunRazer
So what if Plagueis at a distance mistook a Bith who was using Concealment for Tenebrous?

Are you ranking those droids on combat feats? G0-T0 looks pretty high. Don't know what ARIES is. I might just be having a memory lapse. I'm ranking them based on their lethality and sum control of the galaxy.

Geistalt
And that was based explicitly on their Force power. Besides, Tenebrous gave up his clairvoyance and never had a proper fight.

Geistalt
Furthermore, rather.

3rd-Faction Force-Users:
1. UnuThul
2. Talzin
3. Revan
4. Gethzerion
5. Tassar
6. Sterla
7. Soa
8. Tau
9. Vaylin
10. Arcann

Female Force-Sensitives:
1. Abeloth
2. Gethzerion
3. Tassar
4. Adelade
5. Vaylin
6. Jaina Solo Fel
7. Darth Nyriss
8. Shaak Ti
9. Darth Gean
10. Darth Cognus
11. Darth Zannah
12. Darth Traya
13. Meetra Surik

Non-Force-Sensitive Strategists:
1. IG-88
2. SCORPIO
3. Mitth'raw'nuruodo
4. Gilad Pellaeon

Anyone got any suggestions (other than "kill yourself"wink?

Ursumeles
Banite Sith:
1. Darth Sidious
2. Darth Plagueis
3. Darth Tenebrous
4. Darth Ramage
5. Darth Gean
6. Darth Gravid
7. Darth Vectivus
8. Darth Cognus
9. Darth Zannah
10. Darth Bane

Not ranking "failed" apprentices, and unnamed Sith.

Rockydonovang
would yaddle be yoda level?

cs_zoltan
No. Mace > Yaddle.

Ursumeles
Mace > Yaddle > Vitiate.

MythLord
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
would yaddle be yoda level?

In-canon, she is. In Legends, she's more Mace's level.

cs_zoltan
What does she have in canon that would put her above Mace? The TPM novel says Mace > Yaddle.

Ursumeles
I guess Wollf means that:


-Ultimate Star Wars

cs_zoltan
Affinity =/= realized potential.

Ursumeles
Affinty =/= power either, tbh.
Especially considering that Mace shared parity with dooku, who could grow as powerful as Yoda himself.

MythLord
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
What does she have in canon that would put her above Mace? The TPM novel says Mace > Yaddle.

The novelisation are confirmed as not being canon.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
I guess Wollf means that:


-Ultimate Star Wars

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Affinity =/= realized potential.

Affinity is an understanding, connection or ability with something. If her ability and understanding of the Force is on Yoda's level, then it's ahead of Mace's, who's canonically below Yoda.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Affinty =/= power either, tbh.
Especially considering that Mace shared parity with dooku, who could grow as powerful as Yoda himself.

Dooku could've grown as powerful as Yoda in the EU, not in-canon.

cs_zoltan
No, affinity still doesn't mean she's just as powerful as Yoda laughing out loud

Rockydonovang
given that mace was a decade or so younger than dooku, and was more powerful as a jedi, windu should have>potential than dooku and hence yoda if we're taking the dooku could become yoda level thing seriously

cs_zoltan
As per TPM Yoda had the most midi-chlorians before Anakin, so nah to all this bullshit.

Rockydonovang
maybe medichlorian testing isn't reliable

Ursumeles
Originally posted by Geistalt

5. Tassar
6. Sterla
4. Adelade
Who the **** are these guys?

MythLord
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
No, affinity still doesn't mean she's just as powerful as Yoda laughing out loud

I never said as much, lol. She isn't as powerful as Yoda, given sources still place him as the greatest Jedi of his age, but she is within his general tier in-canon.

cs_zoltan
No lmao. You can't cherry pick what the quote means. On one hand you think it means power in the force, on the other hand you don't accept that it says "shares" aka equal to Yoda. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

It's simple, affinity for the force is a fancy way of saying potential (idk where you got that retarded definition you said earlier) in which case yes Yaddle shares Yoda's , but she's a far cry from actually being in the same tier as him.

Rockydonovang
Mace is factually>yaddle per fact files in actualized power anywhow, which would make him capable of her showings force wise. How about master fay and k'hruk?

MythLord

MythLord
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Mace is factually>yaddle per fact files in actualized power anywhow

That's the EU; we're discussing canon.

cs_zoltan
Anyone who has better english than 3rd grade knows what affinity implies in this context. Now stop trying to read things into the definition that still doesn't mean what you think it means.

I especially love how you failed to notice the natural part before the underlining, which exactly what potential means in Star Wars. Anyhow I'm not gona get into another linguistic debate so make whatever shit reply you want smile

Geistalt
Author's intent:

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor. If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."

Knightfallkin > RotS Sidious confirmed kek

Affinity means "relationship." Hell, maybe even "dependence upon" (in this particular case).

MythLord
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Anyone who has better english than 3rd grade knows what affinity implies in this context. Now stop trying to read things into the definition that still doesn't mean what you think it means.

I especially love how you failed to notice the natural part before the underlining, which exactly what potential means in Star Wars. Anyhow I'm not gona get into another linguistic debate so make whatever shit reply you want smile

I'm sorry I apply the actual definition of the word instead of making one up so it somehow just means potential. Yaddle's understanding of the Force, connection to it and ability to use it is up there with Yoda's in Disney canon. Don't blame me, blame Star Wars Ultimate.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Author's intent:

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor. If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."

Knightfallkin > RotS Sidious confirmed kek

Affinity means "relationship." Hell, maybe even "dependence upon" (in this particular case).

Affinity has multiple definitions, and every Force user depends on the Force, kek. And Knightfall Anakin was said to have "unparalleled" power(actualized) in the Force so... Huehuehue.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Geistalt
Author's intent:

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor. If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."

Knightfallkin > RotS Sidious confirmed kek

Affinity means "relationship." Hell, maybe even "dependence upon" (in this particular case).
Knightfall anakin is stilll yoda/sidious level

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by MythLord
I'm sorry I apply the actual definition of the word instead of making one up so it somehow just means potential.

That's the thing. You don't.

MythLord
And yet, I do. :3

Geistalt
Originally posted by MythLord
And yet, I do. :3 You misuse it. Horribly.

Appears to be your modus operandi from time to time.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Knightfall anakin is stilll yoda/sidious level It's really Knightfall Vader. And, since Caedus > Vader...

Ursumeles
Knightfall Vader > Caedus > RotJ Vader.

Geistalt
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Knightfall Vader > Caedus > RotJ Vader. Lolno.

Ursumeles
lolyeah

Geistalt

Geistalt
If it was "even that of his grandfather Anakin Skywalker," you might've had a point.

Might have.

MythLord
Originally posted by Geistalt
You misuse it. Horribly.

Appears to be your modus operandi from time to time.

Zoltan and you had inefficient counters. What can I say?

At least I don't have Soa below HK-47, lol.

Geistalt
Originally posted by MythLord
Zoltan and you had inefficient counters. What can I say?

At least I don't have Soa below HK-47, lol. Well, what do I know? I'm a SWTOR fan.

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by MythLord
Zoltan and you had inefficient counters. What can I say?

What counter one can make if you don't understand what a word means?

Geistalt
Fvcking finally.

Now I can get to my real response.

It's not "that of Darth Vader post-Mustafar." It's "that of his grandfather Darth Vader" period.

MythLord
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
What counter one can make if you don't understand what a word means?

I gave the actual definition and am applying it, Zoltan. What can I do if you wanna switch it around? :/

Ursumeles

cs_zoltan

MythLord
The "natural" part doesn't change anything lmao. If Yaddle's natural ability to use the Force rivals Yoda's, then she's in Yoda's tier.

The example the definition listed clearly implies you have skill in linguistics abilities and directly contradicts your counter-point since you can't have an ability to use something if you don't have that something to begin with, in this case a language someone learned.

In the Yaddle/Yoda case that something is the Force. Yaddle's natural aptitude/ability with the Force is on Yoda's tier by definition.

Geistalt
Originally posted by MythLord
The "natural" part doesn't change anything lmao. If Yaddle's natural ability to use the Force rivals Yoda's, then she's in Yoda's tier.

In the Yaddle/Yoda case that something is the Force. Yaddle's natural aptitude/ability with the Force is on Yoda's tier by definition.

affinity:
b. A natural tendency or ability to use or do something: an affinity with languages; an affinity for making money.

YOU. ARE. A. DUMBASS.

cs_zoltan
I wish I had better affinity for prose so I could express how f-ucking retarded Myth actually is. As it is all I can say: Myth, you are 10/10 retarded. That's not what affinity means, you can selective quote whatever the f-uck you want, it won't change a thing.

Geistalt
In the "ability" sense. Not "tendency" sense.

Don't demolish your own goddamn argument.

Rockydonovang
urs,
if caedus>knightfall anakin, then caedus is>plagueis/valk/ any sub yoda/sidious level dude

cs_zoltan
No, because I learnt to express myself, but because of the lack of affinity this is as far as I got smile

Ursumeles

Rockydonovang
geistalt, as anakin is a yoda/sidious level force user and duelist, you can either put him at the top and accept he's>revan or valk or you can baselessly rank vader above him and make it so that vader and anakin are>revan/valk, its up to you

Geistalt
It all depends on whether or not people believe RotJ Vader surpassed Knightfallkin in terms of Force power.

Rockydonovang
I can't quote for some reason, so I'll have to call out
urs, I never While anakin doesn't have yoda/sidious level mastery, him being on the level as a duelist, on their level physically, and being on their level in terms of raw power are 3 things that no one else up to that point in the mythos should have. I also never disputed caedus being above anakin(or vice versa). But it definitely applies to the valk's/revan's who are significantly below in all mentioned categories

MythLord
@Zoltan @Gietsalty

Ad hominems won't change the fact that a definition of affinity is the ability to use something, or a deep understanding/connection to something. :/

Concessions accepted, regardless.

Geistalt
Originally posted by MythLord
Ad hominems won't change the fact that a definition of affinity is the ability to use something, or a deep understanding/connection to something. :/

Concessions accepted, regardless. We ain't conceding sh!t.

It's not an ad hominem. The fact of the matter is that you used the wrong interpretation.

MythLord
You've done a poor job of proving it, then. smile

Geistalt
b. A natural tendency or ability to use or do something.


Are you satisfied with how stupid you look?

MythLord
And it also says "or ability", which is what I'm focusing on darling. Because Yaddle having the same "tendency" with the Force as Yoda isn't something I'd picture being placed into a Star Wars Sourcebook.

Also, that Mace/Yoda quote is referring to dueling, not Force power.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Are you satisfied with how stupid you look?
No, but your stupidity is giving me a laugh.

Geistalt
Apparently, Yaddle = Yoda now.

MythLord
Nice strawman. I admitted Yoda is superior based on several other canon sources saying he's the most powerful Jedi; Yaddle having a similar affinity with the Force suggests she's within the same tier as him.

DarthAnt66
Absolutely not.

MythLord
It does, though. :/

Geistalt
Originally posted by Geistalt
Apparently, Yaddle = Yoda now. It's not a strawman, 'cause that's what you're saying.

"Same ability as Yoda" my ass.

MythLord
And yet, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying she's up there with him, just not on par.

Geistalt
That's not what the quote says.

MythLord
The quote says she shares Yoda's remarkable affinity with the Force, thus placing the two as close/comparable in Force power. We know Yoda is still technically her superior given at least two other canon sources say he's the most powerful Jedi.

Instead of isolating one quote, we can take into account all of them and form something coherent outta that. Which is what I'm trying to do.

Geistalt
k. I might take it back.

Just where would you rank her, though?

MythLord
In-canon, I rank her within Yoda and Sidious' general range, but still an obvious inferior.

In the EU, I rank her below Dooku/Mace but capable of competing.

Rockydonovang
let the yaddle>valk movement begin

Ursumeles
thumb up

MythLord
smile

Rockydonovang
given mace>yaddle via fact files, and given yaddle's obvious general parity with yoda and his close parity with sidious who craps on plagueis who craps on valk, logically via powerscaling its fair to assume that mace>yaddle>valk>revan

I may be partially intoxicated with root beer

MythLord
It's more than rootbeer honey, I assure you.

Besides, Valk is > Canon Yoda. :/

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by MythLord
It's more than rootbeer honey, I assure you.

Besides, Valk is > Canon Yoda. :/
huh, canon yoda stalemated sidious(and the gap is even csmaller) who is canonically the top dog sith wise

regardless, I go by composite

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by MythLord
You've done a poor job of proving it, then. smile

Well excuse me. I have no experience explaining the meaning of simple words to retards, although Nova challenged me on that a few times.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
huh, canon yoda stalemated sidious(and the gap is even csmaller) who is canonically the top dog sith wise

regardless, I go by composite Composite Yaddle doesn't works, at least when you have her close to Yoda.
Legends Yaddle is below the likes of Dooku and Windu, so far away from Valk, Sidious and Yoda.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Composite Yaddle doesn't works, at least when you have her close to Yoda.
Legends Yaddle is below the likes of Dooku and Windu, so far away from Valk, Sidious and Yoda.
I'm mostly kidding
that being said, there's nothing statement wise at all putting dooku or windu far below valk, we only assume so by comparing feats and a feats only comparison would also have you drawing asinine conclusions like nihlus or plagueis>yoda

Zenwolf
Composite is dumb tbh.

cs_zoltan
Just to make it easier for Myth to comprehend, here are some of the synonyms of affinity:

Aptitude, genius, tendency, endowment, faculty, gift, talent, forte, speciality.

Here are things that aren't its synonyms:

Skill, ability.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/affinity

Do you see now how affinity with the force means potential?

MythLord
And an aptitude is a natural ability to do something. Talent is... well, self-explanetory. Endowment is a quality or ability someone possesses. And yeah, there's an actual definition of affinity that says it's an "ability to use something".

Stop tripping over your face, Zoltan. Just give it up already.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Composite is dumb tbh.
disney canon is dumb tbh

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by MythLord
And an aptitude is a natural ability to do something. Talent is... well, self-explanetory. Endowment is a quality or ability someone possesses. And yeah, there's an actual definition of affinity that says it's an "ability to use something".

Stop tripping over your face, Zoltan. Just give it up already.

And potential is the ability to use the force. Yet there's a fine line between one's potential and his actual realized power. Just like there's a fine line between affinity and ability. I can't believe someone this dense can actually form coherent sentences...

I'm amazed that you can look at these words: aptitude, genius, tendency, endowment, faculty, gift, talent, forte, speciality, and say "nah that doesn't mean potential, it means powaaaaahh!!!!"

MythLord
Potential isn't the ability to use the Force, lol. Potential is the capacity to develope and reach something higher. You don't have the ability to use something unless you've already reached a certain point where you can use it. Assuming it's only referring to potential, then Yaddle doesn't yet have the ability to use the Force in a way that's comparable to Yoda, but that's what the quote is implying.

The fact that endowment(an ability or quality of someone) is synonymous with affinity, the fact that aptitude means a natural talent at a certain ability and the fact that affinity was actually defined as a natural ability to use something(in this case the Force) means that it refers to actualized power.

Or we can just assume that affinity in this case means an empathy/unity/understanding/kinship and just say Yaddle's understanding of the Force is on Yoda's level, but her power isn't. I'm fine with whatever, really.

Geistalt
Affinity isn't the ability to use the Force.

At least, not as you understand it.

Originally posted by MythLord
In-canon, I rank her within Yoda and Sidious' general range, but still an obvious inferior.

In the EU, I rank her below Dooku/Mace but capable of competing. She ought to be below Mace, regardless.

Geistalt
If it was just her tendency to use the Force or potential (and you left it at that), I would've agreed.

Petrus
The lists are not in order.

Most powerful entities:

Abeloth
Bedlams
UnuThul
The Ones

Most skilled/impressive non-Force users:

Champ
Cipher
Meteor
Vong
Probably Boba
Durge

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Petrus
The lists are not in order.

Most powerful entities:

Abeloth
Bedlams
UnuThul
The Ones

Most skilled/impressive non-Force users:

Champ
Cipher
Meteor
Vong
Probably Boba
Durge
the father and the force priestesses should be above eabeloth

Geistalt
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
the father and the force priestesses should be above eabeloth Abeloth > TCW Son > TCW Father.

Petrus
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
the father and the force priestesses should be above eabeloth

Originally posted by Petrus
The lists are not in order.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Geistalt
Abeloth > TCW Son > TCW Father.
More like
Peak Father>Peak Abeloth>TCW Son>TCW Father>FOTJ Abeloth>Force Priestesses

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Geistalt
Abeloth > TCW Son > TCW Father.
no, its been confirmed the father is the most powerful force user, and the priestesses, being the representation of the cosmic force could be argued to be above all

Geistalt
Form V Practitioners:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron
3. Darth Caedus
4. Starkiller
5. Dark Apprentice
6. Darth Vader
7. Galen Marek
8. Darth Malgus
9. Jaina Solo Fel
10. Kyle Katarn / Ulic Qel-Droma

Sidious might belong right up there at #2, considering he used "Falling Avalanche" against Yoda and what appeared to be Djem So against the B-team.

cs_zoltan
Holy f-uck.

Geistalt
It appears I've caused some cancer.

What's the prognosis?

TenebrousWay
He put Starkiller in 4, zoltan. I thought you'd be happy. =/

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Geistalt
It appears I've caused some cancer.

What's the prognosis?

Slow, agonizing death.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
He put Starkiller in 4, zoltan. I thought you'd be happy. =/

Why would that make me happy when it's obviously wrong?

TenebrousWay
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Slow, agonizing death.



Why would that make me happy when it's obviously wrong?

'Cause the fact "muhh feelings" > objectivity. thumb up

EDIT: LMAO @ Caedus, though

Geistalt
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Why would that make me happy when it's obviously wrong? And what, pray tell, would be your rankings?

cs_zoltan
Don't have complete list. But Anakin is better than anyone but Luke on your list, so is Vader but below Anakin. Galen, Starkiller, and the Dark Apprentice only uses Shien against blaster-wielding foes, never in a duel so I wouldn't even put them on the list. Kyp is way to high, should be below Ulic.

Deronn_solo
Originally posted by Geistalt
Form V Practitioners:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron
3. Darth Caedus
4. Starkiller
5. Dark Apprentice
6. Darth Vader
7. Galen Marek
8. Darth Malgus
9. Jaina Solo Fel
10. Kyle Katarn / Ulic Qel-Droma

Sidious might belong right up there at #2, considering he used "Falling Avalanche" against Yoda and what appeared to be Djem So against the B-team.

Is this sabers only? Force, or all-out? Also, I'm pretty sure Jaina, and Kyp aren't Form V users. Malgus either for that matter.

Geistalt
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Don't have complete list. But Anakin is better than anyone but Luke on your list, so is Vader but below Anakin. Galen, Starkiller, and the Dark Apprentice only uses Shien against blaster-wielding foes, never in a duel so I wouldn't even put them on the list. Kyp is way to high, should be below Ulic. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/468548864224411648/bptgxEJb.jpeg

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Is this sabers only? Force, or all-out? All-out.

Deronn_solo
no offense, but that us a w.o.a.t. worthy list.

Geistalt
Then again, I tend to rank most things based on their Force strength.

Nephthys
Most powerful Ewok???

Geistalt
1. Treek
2. Grael

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Geistalt
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/468548864224411648/bptgxEJb.jpeg

Nope, just about everything he said is dead on.

Deronn_solo
no, Kyp is def > Ulic.

Rockydonovang
Save for yoda and sidious and Luke anakin has the most raw power, is the best duelist, and is physically the best. His relative lack of mastery isn't enough to put him below folks who he has beat in every other category

Ursumeles
Originally posted by Geistalt
Form V Practitioners:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron
3. Darth Caedus
4. Starkiller
5. Dark Apprentice
6. Darth Vader
7. Galen Marek
8. Darth Malgus
9. Jaina Solo Fel
10. Kyle Katarn / Ulic Qel-Droma

Sidious might belong right up there at #2, considering he used "Falling Avalanche" against Yoda and what appeared to be Djem So against the B-team.
You had worse lists....

SunRazer
Going to try another Sith list, lol. Using characters in their prime as a Sith.

1. Palpatine

2. Plagueis

3. Valkorion

4. Tenebrous

5. Nihilus

6. Kun

7. Krayt

8. Vader

9. Tyranus

10. Caedus

Something like that. 5-8 is murky. Don't think I'm missing anyone else,but feel free to remind me if I am. I've avoided Ragnos and Nadd since they're hard to rank, but Ragnos is probably roughly where Vader is and Nadd is probably between Vader and Tyranus. Muur/Pall etc. might be there as well. Haven't ranked the likes of Tenebrous' Master for obvious reasons.

EDIT: Not sure where Jadus lies; he might belong on the lower end of the list. Malgus doesn't cut it, Bane/Zannah don't cut it, and Darth Revan doesn't cut it.

EDIT 2: Forgot Ulic Qel-Droma, but I'm not fully sure where he lies either.

Ursumeles
Lol @Tyranus being 9.

SunRazer
Where should he be, then? smile

Ursumeles
Below Caedus, and possibly a few Ancients.
Also, why is Kun > Krayt?

SunRazer
Well, the feats that do put Caedus over him are in dispute. Out of the ones we can confirm, is there anything that really puts Caedus over Tyranus?

I addressed the Ancients. Most of them are too hard to rank concretely.

For Kun: being more powerful than Vitiate near the Revan novel is the main reason. I'm also beginning to question Nihilus' placing.

Ursumeles
I mainly meant having a greater command of the Force than Vader.

Wat. Did you edited that in, or why didn't I saw that? lol

Nihilus higher or lower?

SunRazer
Forgot about that accolade, actually. What's the specific wording of it? If Caedus is actually more powerful than Vader, then adjust my list accordingly.

I edited some things in.

I'm thinking Nihilus could be lower.

Ursumeles
Geistalt posted it here:

That should be the one.

Ursumeles
IMO:

1. Sidious
2. Plagueis
3. Vitiate
4. Tenebrous
5./6. Krayt
5./6. Kun
7. Caedus
8. Vader
9. Nadd
10. Pall
11. Muur
12. Tyranus
13. Jadus
14. Malgus
15. Malak/Wyyrlok

I am momentarily at this. Not sure what to make of Ragnos, Vol, Droma, Sadow, Kressh and Nihilus.

Edit: Forgot Darth Revan. He's prolly around Dooku.

SunRazer
Alright, then my list is:

1. Palpatine

2. Plagueis

3. Valkorion

4. Tenebrous

5. Nihilus

6. Kun

7. Krayt

8. Caedus

9. Vader

10. Tyranus

Again, the Ancient Sith have been excluded. So have Jadus and Qel-Droma (assuming they'd make the list at all).

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Geistalt
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/468548864224411648/bptgxEJb.jpeg

You made a list named Form V practitioners and I was suppose to know you mean all out? Who's the retard now?

You pretty much just made another most powerful list with a filter on. And even that you f-ucked up. Yoda, Sidious, and Mace as a master of Form V should be way ahead of some of these c-unts.

Vader is still well ahead of any of the Galens and even Kyp in all out.

Also crop you f-ucking images.

Ursumeles
Zoltan.
Geistalt has Kyle on Dooku's level (and IIRC Malak above that) and Dooku as equal in 'sabers to TUF Luke, Malgus as equal in sabers to ****ing DN Luke and Caedus as a equal to TUF Luke in all-out, lol.
What do you thought?

Beniboybling
>tells him to crop his awfully sized image
>reposts awfully sized image, ruining page
>uhuh

SunRazer
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Zoltan.
Geistalt has Kyle on Dooku's level (and IIRC Malak above that) and Dooku as equal in 'sabers to TUF Luke, Malgus as equal in sabers to ****ing DN Luke and Caedus as a equal to TUF Luke in all-out, lol.
What do you thought?

Malak is factually well below Dooku. smile

Ursumeles
Originally posted by SunRazer
Malak is factually well below Dooku. smile
Tell me more smile

SunRazer
Dooku and Mace are both factually more skilled and more powerful than Revan as a Jedi (ergo, the start of the Revan novel). And a year prior to that, Revan kicked Malak's ass under extremely one-sided circumstances (in Malak's favour).

Ursumeles
Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku and Mace are both factually more powerful than Revan as a Jedi (ergo, the start of the Revan novel).
Quote? smile
what do you think about Caedus now btw

SunRazer
I adjusted my list for you last page. Caedus is above Vader now.

For Mace being more powerful than Revan as of the last time Revan walked the Jedi Temple (start of the Revan novel):



For Dooku being more powerful than Mace (retconning the previous quote):



For Jedi Dooku being eclipsed by no Jedi in terms of fighting skill bar Mace and Yoda (therefore making Mace > start of novel Revan):





And we know Dooku improved in skill as a Sith Lord, so by then he's factually more skilled than Revan as of the start of the Revan novel also:

Beniboybling
That's some impressive finds, very nice.

SunRazer
Thanks.

In case there's any doubt, Revan is listed in the dramatis personae of the Revan novel as a Jedi Master, and is referred to as one in vanilla SWTOR. So Mace's quote definitely applies.

And since Dooku grows in power as a Sith Lord also, it's fair to rank him above Reborn Revan. smile

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