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So, who's in your top 3 most honest, righteous and ethically respectable politicians in history?

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I'm drawing a blank at any politician I would think of as "righteous" past or present.

Ethically respectable? Yikes. The funny thing is..the politicians that would fit in these categories probably aren't ones anyone has ever heard of. Those aren't the kind of politicians that become well known and popular.

Andrew Jackson
Adolf Hitler
Mao

Prince Vlad of Wallachia
Pol Pot
Joseph Stalin

Fidel Castro. There's reasonable proof that he actually cared about the well being of his people and his actions weren't just motivated by greed.

1. Obama
2.
3.

Cicero.

Gov. William J. Le Petomane.

Lincoln?

obama

Originally posted by Nephthys
obama

Obama is actually probably one of the most moral politicians in history. I mean, go back a few decades and pretty much everyone is disqualified by modern standards for like, their social views and stuff. And I honestly think he cares about the people he's serving.

Michelle is pretty admirable tbh, if she can be considered a politician.

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Jesus Christ
3. Donald Trump

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Michelle is pretty admirable tbh, if she can be considered a politician. Insider information from 4chan.

Michelle is going to be in the spotlight a lot recently to downplay attention from the Clintons. Michelle and Barack are going to do a lot of good PR things so people vote Democrat. Export more of the Obamas this week.

Originally posted by Its2016
Insider information from 4chan.
4chan, you say? Hot damn, that's some spicy insider scoop shit right here!

Originally posted by Nephthys
obama

Originally posted by Its2016
Insider information from 4chan.

Michelle is going to be in the spotlight a lot recently to downplay attention from the Clintons. Michelle and Barack are going to do a lot of good PR things so people vote Democrat. Export more of the Obamas this week. Shit man, 4chan be watching the news?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Obama is actually probably one of the most moral politicians in history.
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I don't have a problem with Obama because this is a list of the most honest, righteous, etc.

It isn't about people who are honest or righteous, merely the most honest people in a group where everyone is dishonest.

So when you think about it like that, I suppose it might make sense. If we're just talking overall about honesty and integrity then yes he belongs nowhere near that convo, but if we're talking about it in terms of which politicians come the closest to being decent? Eh.

Well, he certainly is not among the "most moral politicians in history" , that's for sure LOL.

But yeah, Obama might be one of those "honest believers" in truly terrible ideologies that the Left cherishes. That I can see.



Speaking of which, I'd say Sanders is possibly very honest in his belief in that deplorable socialism. I guess he earns some brownie points here.

Obama would be on a lot of top 3 lists. Like the top 3 best health care systems ever introduced, he is a shoe in.

Originally posted by Surtur
Obama would be on a lot of top 3 lists. Like the top 3 best health care systems every introduced, he is a shoe in.
Hahaha, I think you may be onto something.

Originally posted by Stigma
Well, he certainly is not among the "most moral politicians in history" , that's for sure LOL.

But yeah, Obama might be one of those "honest believers" in truly terrible ideologies that the Left cherishes. That I can see.



Speaking of which, I'd say Sanders is possibly very honest in his belief in that deplorable socialism. I guess he earns some brownie points here.

Obama is on the left?

News to me.

When it comes to Obama, I cant help but see anything other than a poster boy. In a way that Bush was or possibly Nixon when he was VP, but even moreso. The major Democratic powers found him, dusted him up, said to him, "youre going to run the country, do as we say"

Obama thinks for a moment, agrees, but silently plans to have his own ideas in as well. But whenever he tries the GOP dont show up to work and the dems say to him "we told you to do as we say!"

Obamas really lost his smile over the years too.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Obama is on the left?

News to me.
Many apparent things are news to you, it seems.

Originally posted by Its2016
When it comes to Obama, I cant help but see anything other than a poster boy. In a way that Bush was or possibly Nixon when he was VP, but even moreso. The major Democratic powers found him, dusted him up, said to him, "youre going to run the country, do as we say"

Obama thinks for a moment, agrees, but silently plans to have his own ideas in as well. But whenever he tries the GOP dont show up to work and the dems say to him "we told you to do as we say!"

Obamas really lost his smile over the years too.
Seems legit

"Hilary will say anything and change nothing"- Barack Obama.

Looks like..yeah, sometimes he DOES tell the truth.

Originally posted by Surtur
"Hilary will say anything and change nothing"- Barack Obama.

Looks like..yeah, sometimes he DOES tell the truth.

Originally posted by Its2016
Insider information from 4chan.

http://media.giphy.com/media/fGuqeA6PiXINa/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Stigma
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/195/646/1320529223886.jpg

Disqualify every major politician from more than, say, two decades ago for their views on social issues like gay marriage; disqualify basically every politician not in the first world; disqualify every social conservative; disqualify everyone else who's ever been involved in a real political scandal; disqualify those with serious criminal records, etc. - yeah, Obama's percentile relative to the set of all politicians is very good.

Do you have to try to be as linguistically inept as humanly possible, or does it just come naturally to you? Here, "disqualify" doesn't mean take out of the population under study, it means take out of those who could reasonably be more ethically agreeable than Obama. They're two entirely separate operations, and it's embarrassing that you conflated them so casually.



Oh I'm sorry, did I trigger your feeling or something? Appeals to the golden mean aside, history does take sides. It has taken sides on:

- Criminalizing marital rape
- Legalizing homosexuality
- Civil Rights
- Not persecuting Jews
- Not persecuting left-handed people
- Not owning slaves
- Letting women vote

And yes, the social conservatives, by both the literal definition of the term (.i.e. tending against social change) and any sort of attempt to guess their mapping to current ideologies via demographics, argumentative style, geographic location, etc., stood on the wrong side of history on all these issues. Churchill claimed that allowing women to vote would open the doors for "any liberal issue under the sun" - and he was right, but not in the way he thought he was.



Are you the type of person who is incapable of parsing people's arguments from one another, to the point where you literally repeat someone's statement back to them and claim that you're telling them something new?



You didn't actually respond to my analysis, probably because it far exceeded your abilities, so let me spell it out for you in a more succinct manner. Obama's percentile, which is what we're dealing with here, is represented as:

Politicinas more ethical than him / All politicians

How many times smaller is the numerator than the denominator? Well, since the numerator excludes virtually all politicians before the mid-late 20th century, and almost certainly every, say, Roman senator who held like fifty slaves, I'd say a lot. Given that the vast majority of people in the course of human history lived before the major social changes of the past century, even if the number of politicians is weakly linked, you're going to have Obama being one of the most ethical of all time. It's simple math.

If you want to compare his morality normalized by era, that's another question, which I was obviously not addressing (my use of "technically" made it clear that I was making a very unique statistical point). But you weren't capable of actually responding to anything, a cognitive performance measure very strongly linked with your ideological bent.

Speaking of righteous politicians, what do people think of how Obama kinda recently dicked over some Cubans? By getting rid of the "wet foot, dry foot" policy. Which said that if you're Cuban and you set foot on US soil you can stay. If you're caught by us in the water? F*ck off. But now that is gone. Meaning water or land it doesn't matter. Some were apparently a few feet away from land when this order went into place.

I can sympathize, but I do not object. Though I figured some on the left will.

Originally posted by Surtur
Speaking of righteous politicians, what do people think of how Obama kinda recently dicked over some Cubans? By getting rid of the "wet foot, dry foot" policy. Which said that if you're Cuban and you set foot on US soil you can stay. If you're caught by us in the water? F*ck off. But now that is gone. Meaning water or land it doesn't matter. Some were apparently a few feet away from land when this order went into place.

I can sympathize, but I do not object. Though I figured some on the left will.

I personally believe Obama is a project of positive publicity. He's done terrible things that, for some strange reason, nobody seems to care about. For example, his position on immigration wasn't exactly vastly superior to Trump's, as at least 3m were deported.

He wasn't the great and fantastic president everyone seems to think he was, imho.

He avoided personal scandals and came off as a Will Smith-esque charmer and all around cool guy. As always, people's emotional gut reaction to the person clouds legitimate criticism of the politician and his policies and orders.

Say what you will, but at least Obama knows how to shake someone's hand.

Originally posted by Robtard
Say what you will, but at least Obama knows how to shake someone's hand.

No doubt he shook many a hand in his travels to all 57 of our great states, so it doesn't shock me.

Ghandi and Mandela were good. George Washington too.

Muhammad hands down.

Originally posted by Robtard
Say what you will, but at least Obama knows how to shake someone's hand. lol only leftists criticize people's appearances rather than focus on making actual arguments.

3.) Bashar Al-Assad
2.) Ted Cruz
1.) Joe McCarthy

Originally posted by Robtard
Say what you will, but at least Obama knows how to shake someone's hand. Was that a King of the Hill reference, or did Trump do some weird shit to someone's hand recently?

NKmoze-hlXU

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He avoided personal scandals and came off as a Will Smith-esque charmer and all around cool guy. As always, people's emotional gut reaction to the person clouds legitimate criticism of the politician and his policies and orders.

Pretty much, yeah.

But I don't buy it. Obama started gaining a lot of power and support when the 2008 crisis was ongoing, promising to fix it and make it all better and punish the people responsible, etc.

He ended up silently appointing practically the same people to the same or similar positions, or at the very least people who were involved in the economic crash. He quite blatantly lied to the people regarding this particular matter, and nobody seemed to care.

He also advocated war in the Middle East.

Originally posted by Kurk
lol only leftists criticize people's appearances rather than focus on making actual arguments.

Have you seen Trump's Twitter account?

Originally posted by Kurk
lol only leftists criticize people's appearances rather than focus on making actual arguments.

Both sides do, but people flipped their shit when Trump insulted the appearance of people. But they continually insult his appearance.

But these people tend to focus on petty stupid shit(both sides do). I heard more about the way he shook Trudeau's hand than I did about what went on in their meeting. Oh the few articles I did read about the meeting itself said Trump was just using Trudeau. I think it was the Huff post that had the headline of "Trump pretends to care about women by sitting next to guy who cares about women" or something along those lines.

I know people are all "tee hee this will get the thin skinned bastard!" when they spread these type of stuff, but how do they not realize this is what Trump wants? He wants you focusing on stupid petty things.

This is what he and the Republicans do. It reminds me how when Jeff Sessions was getting confirmed in the end all people could talk about was poor Elizabeth Warren being silenced.

Anyone see the eye-fvcking Ivanka gave Trudeau?

A good eye f*ck or a bad eye f*ck? Like should her hubby be worried?!

William Wilberforce belongs on the list.

Originally posted by Surtur
A good eye f*ck or a bad eye f*ck? Like should her hubby be worried?! https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/831280292379910144/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Sucks for her hubby, though I'm assuming he just married her for her looks and money.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anyone see the eye-fvcking Ivanka gave Trudeau?

Can you blame her though? Trudeau makes dicks hard and pussies slick.

Originally posted by Kurk
lol only leftists criticize people's appearances rather than focus on making actual arguments.

I didn't criticize Trump's appearance, you sensitive ladyboy.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Have you seen Trump's Twitter account?

LolZ

Originally posted by NemeBro
Was that a King of the Hill reference, or did Trump do some weird shit to someone's hand recently?

Trump awkwardly yanks people down and towards him when he shakes hands. He tried to do it to Justin Trudeau recently, but Justin was prepared and out-manned Trump.

Google "Trump handshake".

Ah but did he out man Trump? I saw another article how about Trump was totally manspreading way more than Trudeau did as a sign of dominance or some stupid shit.

They even like drew a little line, showing how far spread apart Trumps legs were compared to Trudeau's.

You know, the important shit.

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah but did he out man Trump? I saw another article how about Trump was totally manspreading way more than Trudeau did as a sign of dominance or some stupid shit.

They even like drew a little line, showing how far spread apart Trumps legs were compared to Trudeau's.

You know, the important shit. Trump's weird and oddly aggressive handshaking isn't important; it is somewhat funny though. But do calm thyself, you're letting something trivial upset you, when even a Trumper like yourself should find it entertaining, if only a little bit.

Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't criticize Trump's appearance, you sensitive ladyboy.



LolZ lol you brought up the handshaking.

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah but did he out man Trump? I saw another article how about Trump was totally manspreading way more than Trudeau did as a sign of dominance or some stupid shit.

They even like drew a little line, showing how far spread apart Trumps legs were compared to Trudeau's.

You know, the important shit. ikr? the fact that one looks like orangutang and the other does not should have been comparison enough.

Originally posted by Kurk
lol you brought up the handshaking.

Handshaking isn't about someone's appearance; which is what you're whining about, sally. Besides, isn't it the liberals/SJWs/Lefties who are the ones who are supposed to get upset about someone commenting on looks?

The all-over-the-place squad went apeshit today. Lol.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump's weird and oddly aggressive handshaking isn't important; it is somewhat funny though. But do calm thyself, you're letting something trivial upset you, when even a Trumper like yourself should find it entertaining, if only a little bit.

Back to the "you mad bro" stuff? Okay. Do you do anything else but that and triggered?

Originally posted by Surtur
Back to the "you mad bro" stuff? Okay. Do you do anything else but that and triggered?

I never claimed you were mad. But I guess you need to pretend that in order to still reply while avoiding the point. Clever?

Originally posted by Robtard
I never claimed you were mad. But I guess you need to pretend that in order to still reply while avoiding the point. Clever?

I understand, not mad, just need to calm down. My mistake man.

As for clever? I don't know, no more so than when you or anyone else here uses the same tactic I suppose. Go on, I just gave you an opening for another phrase you love to shout.

Yes, do calm down. The Trump handshake thing isn't a serious attack on him, if anything it's humor. Relax; pick your battles better. Breath.

James Madison

Not a serious attack, but still yet another example of silly petty BS people focus on.

Originally posted by Robtard
Handshaking isn't about someone's appearance; which is what you're whining about, sally. Besides, isn't it the liberals/SJWs/Lefties who are the ones who are supposed to get upset about someone commenting on looks? I mean I was hoping to listen to the actual substance concerning what was discussed between President Trump and PM Trudeau, but when I turned on CNN all I saw was Jeanne moos mocking his handshake!

Programs like SNL really do show how people will resort to the same behavior seen in 4 year-olds when they can't find something policy-based to criticize.

Duterte is the best

Originally posted by Kurk
I mean I was hoping to listen to the actual substance concerning what was discussed between President Trump and PM Trudeau, but when I turned on CNN all I saw was Jeanne moos mocking his handshake!

Programs like SNL really do show how people will resort to the same behavior seen in 4 year-olds when they can't find something policy-based to criticize.

Interesting. I just googled 'CNN Trump Trudeau'; I see several links discussing politics, the travel ban etc., not focusing on Trump's awkward handshaking technique.

SNL is a comedy skit; they're supposed to be tongue-in-cheek humor, showing an absurd version of the truth. Getting bent out of shape over SNL is rather juvenile and whiny.

Originally posted by Robtard
Interesting. I just googled 'CNN Trump Trudeau'; I see several links discussing politics, the travel ban etc., not focusing on Trump's awkward handshaking technique.

SNL is a comedy skit; they're supposed to be tongue-in-cheek humor, showing an absurd version of the truth. Getting bent out of shape over SNL is rather juvenile and whiny.
The first time is funny
The second time is silly
The third time is a pain in the ass

Pretty accurate description of SNL's non-stop bashing of trump

It looks like you enjoy that pain in the ass.

Originally posted by Kurk
The first time is funny
The second time is silly
The third time is a pain in the ass

Pretty accurate description of SNL's non-stop bashing of trump

I disagree, I normally do not care for SNL, but Baldwin playing Trump is worth chuckles, as is McCarthy playing Spicer and I generally find her to not be funny. The thing about those skits is that it's always relevant, as they touch on things that are currently happening. Sure it's a distorted view, but there's truths behind the humor. What makes it even funnier (to me at least), is how Trump and Co. keep watching it and get annoyed. Every time Trump rant-tweets about SNL, it dignifies what they're doing.

You can always opt to not watch it, instead of watching it and getting annoyed.

Problem with SNL is it seems they have lcast some mystical spell. It gives them super funny material for Trump and his staff, but there is a trade off: it saps away the funny from everything else they do.

Originally posted by Robtard
I disagree, I normally do not care for SNL, but Baldwin playing Trump is worth chuckles, as is McCarthy playing Spicer and I generally find her to not be funny. The thing about those skits is that it's always relevant, as they touch on things that are currently happening. Sure it's a distorted view, but there's truths behind the humor. What makes it even funnier (to me at least), is how Trump and Co. keep watching it and get annoyed. Every time Trump rant-tweets about SNL, it dignifies what they're doing.

You can always opt to not watch it, instead of watching it and getting annoyed. I don't watch it at all except for when someone else mentions it or I see a thumbnail on Youtube

Originally posted by Petrus
Pretty much, yeah.

But I don't buy it. Obama started gaining a lot of power and support when the 2008 crisis was ongoing, promising to fix it and make it all better and punish the people responsible, etc.

He ended up silently appointing practically the same people to the same or similar positions, or at the very least people who were involved in the economic crash. He quite blatantly lied to the people regarding this particular matter, and nobody seemed to care.

He also advocated war in the Middle East. It's almost like he's just another politician who knows how to convince his electorate into thinking he'll solve all their problems.



Never saw that before or after.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's almost like he's just another politician who knows how to convince his electorate into thinking he'll solve all their problems.



Never saw that before or after.

It sounds like you're saying Obama..lied to us?

Next you'll tell ol' Surtur the dude has tried to circumvent the constitution in the past.

His personal charm aside, he has the current advantage of being compared to the most despised incoming president in the country's history. Even George W was looked on more fondly once Obama came in. People have an easily exploitable weakness for what they think was a better past.


Originally posted by Surtur
It sounds like you're saying Obama..lied to us? Next you'll tell ol' Surtur the dude has tried to circumvent the constitution in the past. No politician who covets power and influence can approach the Constitution as anything other than an obstacle to get around. Left or Right, Dem or Rep, blond or orange. When they hit the leagues of Federal power with coveted positions of Senatorial seats, or House Majority Leaderships, or the Presidency, the Constitution stops being a thing that protects them as people and starts becoming a roadblock that hinders them as a politician. None of them are to be trusted with our wellbeing.