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After Him

1. Who would beat doomsday
2. Zod and other superman enemies?

Captain Marvel or Diana.

1. God Of War Wonder Woman
2. Captain Marvel
3. Hal Jordan(Especially if he becomes The God of Willpower as it appears he will be)
4.Flash

Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel or Diana.

Let me correct something in my post. Diana is regular Wonder Woman without any amps.

Captain Marvel.

Lucifer, Michalel, Presence
etc

Didnt realize Supes was that high up there!

Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel or Diana.

No

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. God Of War Wonder Woman
2. Captain Marvel
3. Hal Jordan(Especially if he becomes The God of Willpower as it appears he will be)
4.Flash

No

Originally posted by carver9
Let me correct something in my post. Diana is regular Wonder Woman without any amps.

Qft um no

Originally posted by riv6672
Captain Marvel.

And no

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No



No



Qft um no



And no

And "no" actual opinion of your own. Shocking.

Originally posted by riv6672
And "no" actual opinion of your own. Shocking.

Noone can replace him. He's THAT unique. Especially not Diana or Billy or ANY of those mentioned

Way to miss the point of the OP.

Originally posted by riv6672
Way to miss the point of the OP.

Naw...op said if superman died who would be the top tier. There would be none. If doomsday continued his rampage all the other "top tiers" would ne wrecked. Nice troll attempt though

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Naw...op said if superman died who would be the top tier. There would be none. If doomsday continued his rampage all the other "top tiers" would ne wrecked. Nice troll attempt though
Damn. You are one STUPID ***********************.

Riv, you have some kind of problem with Sin?

Nope. I'm a big time Sinner.
I'll consider that question a warning and chill, though.

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Lucifer, Michalel, Presence
etc

Abi?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. God Of War Wonder Woman
2. Captain Marvel
3. Hal Jordan(Especially if he becomes The God of Willpower as it appears he will be)
4.Flash

God of Willpower?

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Lucifer, Michalel, Presence
etc
Originally posted by tkitna
Abi?

https://67.media.tumblr.com/8f1dc64ed367a12d5dc9952d5b27118d/tumblr_nsb3knTCt71re3x32o1_500.gif
BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

For me, Hal Jordan is the closest to Supes.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
For me, Hal Jordan is the closest to Supes.

U think Hal can fill his shoes?

Firestorm.


https://media.giphy.com/media/8oh42nM14t50Q/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U think Hal can fill his shoes?

Without calling you stupid, you're still missing the point.

With Superman gone some other character becomes number one, its pretty simple to understand.
Its not a matter of "filling his shoes", so much as taking the top spot regardless.

As for beating Doomsday?
He's gonna get beat, unless you think (which it sounds like you do) that he would have destroyed the earth or some shit, and that all of earth's heroes minus Supes would fail to stop him.
Doomsday faced a handful of characters out of what, low hundreds, of the metas on the planet in his first outing. None of which fought particularly smart.
So, again, not calling you stupid but, man you are being hilariously closed minded!

It would be Captain Marvel. He's the one character that gets consistent lip service to being the equal of Supes powerwise, and he's even "pure" enough to fill the role cause of him actually being a kid. One of my favorite parts in the JLU cartoon was when Batman called him the boyscout and Supes was like "I thought I was the boyscout" to which Batman responded "So did I... till I met Captain Marvel" lol

Originally posted by darthgoober
It would be Captain Marvel. He's the one character that gets consistent lip service to being the equal of Supes powerwise, and he's even "pure" enough to fill the role cause of him actually being a kid. One of my favorite parts in the JLU cartoon was when Batman called him the boyscout and Supes was like "I thought I was the boyscout" to which Batman responded "So did I... till I met Captain Marvel" lol
Ha, i remember that!

Still, i'm trying to avoid the abstract "filling his shoes" aspect here; no one can do that. This is more "the President's died in Office, swear in the VP". Its a matter of next in line and it will be a new, different, administration.

Originally posted by Galan007
Firestorm.


https://media.giphy.com/media/8oh42nM14t50Q/giphy.gif

http://i.imgur.com/8G43r.gif

Originally posted by riv6672
Ha, i remember that!

Still, i'm trying to avoid the abstract "filling his shoes" aspect here; no one can do that. This is more "the President's died in Office, swear in the VP". Its a matter of next in line and it will be a new, different, administration.
Yeah but filling the role is REQUIRED for having the top spot in DC, it's just the way the company works. No one is going to be put for to be THE go to guy in DC UNLESS he can fill the role of Supes. Now if you're just asking who's currently got the best feats other than Supes it'd prob be Hal, but even if Supes got permanently taken out he still wouldn't be portrayed as #1 because he's got too much blood on his hands and too many character flaws for DC to trust him weight of the whole company.

And actually, I don't see why CM couldn't fill Supes's shoes just fine given the lip service he's got going for him and his character. I mean yeah, he'd spend a year or two feeling inferior and have serious self esteem issues that cause him to come up short multiple times, but then DC would have a massive multiversal event and he'd step up to the plate and do something that could otherwise only be done by Supes, accept his position as the "go to guy" and then he'd start racking up the same kind kind of high level feats that Supes does. Basically the same thing that happened when Wally West took Barry Allen's spot.

dr fate?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but filling the role is REQUIRED for having the top spot in DC, it's just the way the company works. No one is going to be put for to be THE go to guy in DC UNLESS he can fill the role of Supes...
Again, abstract.
We've HAD "Who can replace Character X" threads, and i'll usually fall on the cant be done side, but this thread phrased the question differently, opening it up to a new train of thought.

Originally posted by riv6672
Again, abstract.
We've HAD "Who can replace Character X" threads, and i'll usually fall on the cant be done side, but this thread phrased the question differently, opening it up to a new train of thought.
Well as I said, if it's just a question of who currently has the best feats other than Supes then the answer is most likely Hal, but if the question is who'd be #1 with Supes out of the picture it'd be Captain Marvel because he'd get all of the feats that would otherwise go to Supes.

Yeah, i know i only hit up one small part of your post, i just wanted to clarify where i was coming from.
I'm sketchy on Hal but from what i've heard i agree with you, and your reasoning for Captain Marvel is spot on (for me).

Supergirl

Same powers only this time she would end up with the cheese feats. Feminism and all that.....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Supergirl

Same powers only this time she would end up with the cheese feats. Feminism and all that.....
There'd be too much overlap with WW with all the girl power stuff, DC wouldn't do something to throw the trinity outta whack like that. I doubt they'd bring in someone else with an S shield unless there were promoting some Superboy or using an alternate universe Superman. I actually could have seen them bumping up Kon-El pre flashpoint though.


If they make they replace Supes with a girl then they'd need to replace WW too, and if they got rid of two of the holy trinity they'd need to replace Bat's otherwise HE'D be perceived as the top spot by default... though I could actually see potential in that idea. Like Supes gets taken out so Bats build a permanent suit of power armor to fill the void and HE becomes DC's new #1. But that would be a big risk to revamp the whole trinity so I doubt DC would do it.

Batman

Kara would be the perfect vessel though. Same powers and I can see them going that route since in the end it's still a female character getting a bump. I don't see it overstepping Wondy much. It's more like now we have 2x the girl power.

She's always been relegated to being Supe's impetuous and impulsive understudy with only her attitude holding back her true potential.

Imo at least.

Originally posted by hutchy1345
God of Willpower?

It seems like Hal is on course to gain power that he has never possessed before.

The real answer is Orion. Basically clobbered Hal Jordan.

i can see DC pushing Wonder Woman into that role.

I think Supergirl would be a prime candidate. This sorta happened right before the reboot in JLA. She was the "Big S" on the team. And in Earth 2, she was personally being groomed by Superman to take his place.

I'd be ok with it. It makes some sense and it's easy to justify a power bump on her.

If we're strictly talking who has the next best feats, then I don't know.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Kara would be the perfect vessel though. Same powers and I can see them going that route since in the end it's still a female character getting a bump. I don't see it overstepping Wondy much. It's more like now we have 2x the girl power.

She's always been relegated to being Supe's impetuous and impulsive understudy with only her attitude holding back her true potential.

Imo at least.
Yeah but I still just don't see it. The reason Diana has endured in popularity all these years is because she's THE woman. Supergirl on the other hand... we've had like 4 or 5 of them now. Putting Kara in the top spot means splitting the relatively small female fangirl comic base between 2 characters. Honestly, you couldn't push Kara into the top spot without hurting WWs position. They could maintain both for a year or two, but ultimately I think it'd hurt sales(Kara wouldn't pull in as much as Supes does and WW would lose some of what she's got now) so I just don't think it's something DC would go for on anything close to a permanent/indefinite basis.

Not to mention the fact that between Kara and WW, which one is physically superior is kinda up in the air among fans. Clark has clear physical superiority which WW can offset to a degree with her gear, but Kara and Diana are so close that WW's gear should give her a definite advantage. To me, it would make more sense to bump WW to #1 and bring in someone else to fill the empty spot in the trinity than it would to try to push Kara into the top spot. The whole idea of the trinity is kinda dependent on the ideals, Clark is the TOP man in the universe, WW is the TOP woman, and Bruce is the TOP human. Too much overlap and the trinity is too unstable to support it's basic premise.

Originally posted by dynamix
i can see DC pushing Wonder Woman into that role. they would push her to head of the justice league

So If wonder woman becomes number 1 , who becomes number 2

Originally posted by riv6672
Without calling you stupid, you're still missing the point.

With Superman gone some other character becomes number one, its pretty simple to understand.
Its not a matter of "filling his shoes", so much as taking the top spot regardless.

As for beating Doomsday?
He's gonna get beat, unless you think (which it sounds like you do) that he would have destroyed the earth or some shit, and that all of earth's heroes minus Supes would fail to stop him.
Doomsday faced a handful of characters out of what, low hundreds, of the metas on the planet in his first outing. None of which fought particularly smart.
So, again, not calling you stupid but, man you are being hilariously closed minded!

Just seen this and though im tempted to respond in kind I'll be civil.

There has NEVER EVER been a suitable replacement for Clark. Just look at his rogues...Braniac, Darkseid, Luthor, Doomsday...wayyy above the likes of Captain Nazi and Bladam. Billy doesnt have the mindset or resolve, the leadership, nor does he set the inspirational example that Supes does. Problem is he's more than just super strength. He's also intelligent and is THE big guns out of a planet full of big guns. True Billy gets that lip service. But that's all it is...talk. Your thinking is too linear. Sure Hal and Diana can throw down..but leading? Inspiring? Nay. Batmans gonna follow a ten yr old with the wisdom of Solomon? Good luck. Orions gonna cede to the Big Cheese? Hardly. Hal cant even properly lead the corps and theyre space cops. And lol @ Diana...no comment

Your argument is that the characters didn't fight smart. Doomsday unfettered is a force of nature. Quips, constructs and lassos aren putting him down.

You can respond however you like, i dont give a shit.

And again you're droning on about replacing Supes in the abstract.
With him gone someone else becomes #1. Its unlikely that person'll match him power wise, so things will work differently from that point on.
No one else is having a problem understanding whatvthe OP's actually asking, so, i'm not gonna try and learn you no mo'.
Better luck to you understanding the next thread.

Lobo would be my pick or maybe Orion.

Originally posted by riv6672
You can respond however you like, i dont give a shit.

And again you're droning on about replacing Supes in the abstract.
With him gone someone else becomes #1. Its unlikely that person'll match him power wise, so things will work differently from that point on.
No one else is having a problem understanding whatvthe OP's actually asking, so, i'm not gonna try and learn you no mo'.
Better luck to you understanding the next thread.

Ahh so you're just being a queer. Got it

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Just seen this and though im tempted to respond in kind I'll be civil.

There has NEVER EVER been a suitable replacement for Clark. Just look at his rogues...Braniac, Darkseid, Luthor, Doomsday...wayyy above the likes of Captain Nazi and Bladam. Billy doesnt have the mindset or resolve, the leadership, nor does he set the inspirational example that Supes does. Problem is he's more than just super strength. He's also intelligent and is THE big guns out of a planet full of big guns. True Billy gets that lip service. But that's all it is...talk. Your thinking is too linear. Sure Hal and Diana can throw down..but leading? Inspiring? Nay. Batmans gonna follow a ten yr old with the wisdom of Solomon? Good luck. Orions gonna cede to the Big Cheese? Hardly. Hal cant even properly lead the corps and theyre space cops. And lol @ Diana...no comment

Your argument is that the characters didn't fight smart. Doomsday unfettered is a force of nature. Quips, constructs and lassos aren putting him down.
Wait so you're of the opinion that if Supes actually gets killed off then the next time someone like DD appears DC's going to write the story's ending as "then he slaughters the entire planet and proceeds to wreck the universe" and that's just going to be the end of all DC comics forever?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you're of the opinion that if Supes actually gets killed off then the next time someone like DD appears DC's going to write the story's ending as "then he slaughters the entire planet and proceeds to wreck the universe" and that's just going to be the end of all DC comics forever?
I asked/pointed out the same thing. Maybe you'll get an answer.
Should be interesting, if so.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you're of the opinion that if Supes actually gets killed off then the next time someone like DD appears DC's going to write the story's ending as "then he slaughters the entire planet and proceeds to wreck the universe" and that's just going to be the end of all DC comics forever?

Im saying if you replaced Supes with ANY other"peer" like during DOS they would've folded like tissue paper and been a footnote.

Jesus

Originally posted by carver9
Jesus

Yeah, Jesus would've stopped DD.

haw-som

I agree but eight now I'm asking him to save my eyes.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im saying if you replaced Supes with ANY other"peer" like during DOS they would've folded like tissue paper and been a footnote.
Sorry but I have to disagree, especially in regards to this thread. These aren't real beings that exist with levels of power and free will that transcends the desires of DC comics after all. All that's required for a character to defeat DOS DD is for a writer to put it in the script, and there's no reason they couldn't swap out characters change the name of that arc to "The Death of Captain Marvel". The writers aren't bound by battle boarders hang up on established feats. Regardless of who did it, SOMEONE was going to kill DD in that arc so there's no real reason the writers couldn't have settled on Captain Marvel being the one who ended the fight in a double knockout after he kicked everyone else's ass.

Now in regards to this thread, it's simply asking who's considered #1 if Supes gets taken out of the picture. Not "who's got already got on panel feats equal to Supes", just "who becomes top dog if they kill off Supes".

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Just seen this and though im tempted to respond in kind I'll be civil.

There has NEVER EVER been a suitable replacement for Clark. Just look at his rogues...Braniac, Darkseid, Luthor, Doomsday...wayyy above the likes of Captain Nazi and Bladam. Billy doesnt have the mindset or resolve, the leadership, nor does he set the inspirational example that Supes does. Problem is he's more than just super strength. He's also intelligent and is THE big guns out of a planet full of big guns. True Billy gets that lip service. But that's all it is...talk. Your thinking is too linear. Sure Hal and Diana can throw down..but leading? Inspiring? Nay. Batmans gonna follow a ten yr old with the wisdom of Solomon? Good luck. Orions gonna cede to the Big Cheese? Hardly. Hal cant even properly lead the corps and theyre space cops. And lol @ Diana...no comment

Your argument is that the characters didn't fight smart. Doomsday unfettered is a force of nature. Quips, constructs and lassos aren putting him down.

What Sin has said. There's not a replacement. None of these "big guns"are as powerful as Superman (and, depending on his mindset, they aren't even close to him) nor as inspirational.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you're of the opinion that if Supes actually gets killed off then the next time someone like DD appears DC's going to write the story's ending as "then he slaughters the entire planet and proceeds to wreck the universe" and that's just going to be the end of all DC comics forever? Of course they probably don't write that story, but that is generally what would happen according to the story.

Without Superman Doomsday rampages and kills everyone.


Without Superman a handful of probes take down Earth in OWAW.



Without Superman, the rest of them could barely slow down Black Adam.

Superman took a year off in 52 and it led to both WW3, and Final Crisis.
lol.

Without Superman due to falling to Doomsday and his body being stolen to be used as a battery for Eradicator, Mongol and Cyborg Superman destroy Coast City, which causes Zero Hour.

Without Superman, it is very consistent that the universe is ****ed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but I still just don't see it. The reason Diana has endured in popularity all these years is because she's THE woman. Supergirl on the other hand... we've had like 4 or 5 of them now. Putting Kara in the top spot means splitting the relatively small female fangirl comic base between 2 characters. Honestly, you couldn't push Kara into the top spot without hurting WWs position. They could maintain both for a year or two, but ultimately I think it'd hurt sales(Kara wouldn't pull in as much as Supes does and WW would lose some of what she's got now) so I just don't think it's something DC would go for on anything close to a permanent/indefinite basis.

Not to mention the fact that between Kara and WW, which one is physically superior is kinda up in the air among fans. Clark has clear physical superiority which WW can offset to a degree with her gear, but Kara and Diana are so close that WW's gear should give her a definite advantage. To me, it would make more sense to bump WW to #1 and bring in someone else to fill the empty spot in the trinity than it would to try to push Kara into the top spot. The whole idea of the trinity is kinda dependent on the ideals, Clark is the TOP man in the universe, WW is the TOP woman, and Bruce is the TOP human. Too much overlap and the trinity is too unstable to support it's basic premise.
Not sure I'd agree. Wonder Woman is neck and neck with Superman in sales. And Supergirl outsold both Superman and Wonder Woman the last two months, granted those were number 1s(which did about as well as SM/WW's recent #1s). Having a popular tv show keeps her on the tip of people's tongues.

Plus, we're talking about a world without Superman here. Some of his former readers would follow Kara/WW(or both), if they weren't already. I don't think there'd be as much conflict as you're thinking.

And to all the "World ends without Superman folks", c'mon. You think DC would just have everyone die and fold their company? Yeah, his role, currently is as the top dog. Were he removed, they'd push someone else. They'd literally have to.

Originally posted by Juntai
Of course they probably don't write that story, but that is generally what would happen according to the story.

Without Superman Doomsday rampages and kills everyone.


Without Superman a handful of probes take down Earth in OWAW.



Without Superman, the rest of them could barely slow down Black Adam.

Superman took a year off in 52 and it led to both WW3, and Final Crisis.
lol.

Without Superman due to falling to Doomsday and his body being stolen to be used as a battery for Eradicator, Mongol and Cyborg Superman destroy Coast City, which causes Zero Hour.

Without Superman, it is very consistent that the universe is ****ed.
That's what happens according to PAST stories, but as you admit that's not the story they're going to write if they kill him off. If he's gone, the world will be killed EXCEPT that Captain Marvel(or someone else) is there to stop it when no one else can. He was the "go to guy" because he was available and their flagship character, but this thread is based on the premise that he's NOT available anymore. The question for this thread is simply "Who's now #1 to handle the big threats once Supes is gone?".

Think of it like this, quanchi inherits several billion dollars and buys DC comics. He decides to leave all the editors and writers in place and let everyone do their current jobs as is except for one thing... he calls a meeting and tells the people "You're permanently killing of Superman next month. You can keep the rest of the Supes family if you want and pick whatever new flagship character you choose, but Clark Kent/Superman is never going to appear in another DC comic once we kill him off."....

...now who becomes DC's top guy to save the universe when everyone else fails?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Not sure I'd agree. Wonder Woman is neck and neck with Superman in sales. And Supergirl outsold both Superman and Wonder Woman the last two months, granted those were number 1s(which did about as well as SM/WW's recent #1s). Having a popular tv show keeps her on the tip of people's tongues.

Plus, we're talking about a world without Superman here. Some of his former readers would follow Kara/WW(or both), if they weren't already. I don't think there'd be as much conflict as you're thinking.

And to all the "World ends without Superman folks", c'mon. You think DC would just have everyone die and fold their company? Yeah, his role, currently is as the top dog. Were he removed, they'd push someone else. They'd literally have to.
WW(or Kara) can do a good job of matching up with any ONE Supes book, but Supes pushes a lot more titles than just his own. Their total just doesn't stack up to his total.

What about Sinestro

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im saying if you replaced Supes with ANY other"peer" like during DOS they would've folded like tissue paper and been a footnote.
I was wrong.





















That wasnt interesting at all.

Better

Originally posted by darthgoober
WW(or Kara) can do a good job of matching up with any ONE Supes book, but Supes pushes a lot more titles than just his own. Their total just doesn't stack up to his total.
Oh, I agree. Other than Batman, no one at DC moves books like Supes. But we're talking about a world without him. If you remove Kal, who could best fit the bill? Of that next level of hero, Supergirl seems like a solid bet. She is easy to justify in-story, has the same powers, and she's got a high profile right now. Give her a push, and I think she'd do better than most.

There's other people to consider too, like Hal, but Kara is definitely in the discussion.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Oh, I agree. Other than Batman, no one at DC moves books like Supes. But we're talking about a world without him. If you remove Kal, who could best fit the bill? Of that next level of hero, Supergirl seems like a solid bet. She is easy to justify in-story, has the same powers, and she's got a high profile right now. Give her a push, and I think she'd do better than most.

There's other people to consider too, like Hal, but Kara is definitely in the discussion. No one moves books like Bats period. Guy is in 6 of the top 10 books, and the top 3 are his solo titles and another one is largely a collection of his villains. lol.

Originally posted by darthgoober
WW(or Kara) can do a good job of matching up with any ONE Supes book, but Supes pushes a lot more titles than just his own. Their total just doesn't stack up to his total. Supergirl IS a Superman spinoff, so.. lol.
She is outselling right now because of TV show though.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's what happens according to PAST stories, but as you admit that's not the story they're going to write if they kill him off. If he's gone, the world will be killed EXCEPT that Captain Marvel(or someone else) is there to stop it when no one else can. He was the "go to guy" because he was available and their flagship character, but this thread is based on the premise that he's NOT available anymore. The question for this thread is simply "Who's now #1 to handle the big threats once Supes is gone?".

Think of it like this, quanchi inherits several billion dollars and buys DC comics. He decides to leave all the editors and writers in place and let everyone do their current jobs as is except for one thing... he calls a meeting and tells the people "You're permanently killing of Superman next month. You can keep the rest of the Supes family if you want and pick whatever new flagship character you choose, but Clark Kent/Superman is never going to appear in another DC comic once we kill him off."....

...now who becomes DC's top guy to save the universe when everyone else fails? I was just saying. That is what it is.


So we're just picking?

John ****ing Constantine.

Originally posted by riv6672
Didnt realize Supes was that high up there!

Well i just assumed this meant Spectre, Phantom stranger, Dr Fate etc had already left the universe.

Originally posted by Juntai
Of course they probably don't write that story, but that is generally what would happen according to the story.

Without Superman Doomsday rampages and kills everyone.


Without Superman a handful of probes take down Earth in OWAW.



Without Superman, the rest of them could barely slow down Black Adam.

Superman took a year off in 52 and it led to both WW3, and Final Crisis.
lol.

Without Superman due to falling to Doomsday and his body being stolen to be used as a battery for Eradicator, Mongol and Cyborg Superman destroy Coast City, which causes Zero Hour.

Without Superman, it is very consistent that the universe is ****ed.

Alot of this is from Superman centric arcs.

Batman could honestly fill his shoes. Batman was also gone during WW3

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Alot of this is from Superman centric arcs.

Batman could honestly fill his shoes. Batman was also gone during WW3
52 was a superman centric story?

Did Captain Marvel face the Probes? Did he fight Doomsday? Honest questions because maybe I missed something.

Originally posted by beatboks
Well i just assumed this meant Spectre, Phantom stranger, Dr Fate etc had already left the universe.
Again, didnt realize he was that high up there!

Hal Jordan

Two strands being argued here.

If, on an abstract level, Superman was removed from DC, then they would fill his boots with another character. Its DC, if they wanted to write that Superman has solar flare powers, or is WW's ***** in the kitchen, they can and they will. So a moot point. Probably Kara.

In universe, though? Imperiex Probes are coming, Final Crisis, Flashpoint? DC is doomed. Hell, we've seen what happened with the JLA when Doomsday attacked and Supes was elsewhere.....

Thats a silly argument because

This isnt an abstract question.
Again, its not a matter of "Oh, no one can replace Abe Lincoln; he did so much and was so inspiring".
Its "Abe Lincon's dead, swear in Andrew Johnson".
Pretty simple.
Its not "who can replace" its "who moves into the top spot".

yeah i'm not sure what the crux of this debate is. If writers and artists wants to make somebody achieve something, its done. There have been cases where superman achieved things from plot device. What's stopping writers from instilling that type of thing to other characters? I mean are we talking plot of story or legacy?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but I still just don't see it. The reason Diana has endured in popularity all these years is because she's THE woman. Supergirl on the other hand... we've had like 4 or 5 of them now. Putting Kara in the top spot means splitting the relatively small female fangirl comic base between 2 characters. Honestly, you couldn't push Kara into the top spot without hurting WWs position. They could maintain both for a year or two, but ultimately I think it'd hurt sales(Kara wouldn't pull in as much as Supes does and WW would lose some of what she's got now) so I just don't think it's something DC would go for on anything close to a permanent/indefinite basis.

Not to mention the fact that between Kara and WW, which one is physically superior is kinda up in the air among fans. Clark has clear physical superiority which WW can offset to a degree with her gear, but Kara and Diana are so close that WW's gear should give her a definite advantage. To me, it would make more sense to bump WW to #1 and bring in someone else to fill the empty spot in the trinity than it would to try to push Kara into the top spot. The whole idea of the trinity is kinda dependent on the ideals, Clark is the TOP man in the universe, WW is the TOP woman, and Bruce is the TOP human. Too much overlap and the trinity is too unstable to support it's basic premise.
For once cant u just agree with someone and not make whole paragraphs which forces them to write whole paragraphs themselves?



























Oh and Thor > Surfer

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
For once cant u just agree with someone and not make whole paragraphs which forces them to write whole paragraphs themselves?



























Oh and Thor > Surfer
Nope... to both lol

Originally posted by celeyhyga17



Oh and Thor > Surfer

LOL! With mjolnir, at his best, his barely at Surfer's level. Without it he's nowhere close to him.

facepalm

^^^lol

Spectre is pretty cool.

Never liked his outfit.

You don't dig the Robin Hood in his underwear look?

Not too much.
I always felt a redesign was needed.

I say Captain Marvel, Orion, Mr Majestic, IMO

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You don't dig the Robin Hood in his underwear look?
Seriously the guy needs pants.
http://i.imgur.com/3RCxRD3.jpg

Lobo can fill the void.........

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://i.imgur.com/8G43r.gif

****ing took a me second.

Originally posted by riv6672
Seriously the guy needs pants.
http://i.imgur.com/3RCxRD3.jpg

Is that suppose to be the new Spectre in Rebirth? Since I gave up reading DC since they both killed off New 52 Kal and destroy his relationship with Diana.

If that is indeed his new design, it's pretty legit.

^^^unsure on the Rebirth thing; it was a random link that came up when i Googled "Spectre redesign", as a lot of times fan art is better than whats being put out by the companies.