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Kal Kent

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VERSUS

Rune King Thor

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/12306/1241587-thorrlt_sleeps_super.jpg

RKT transmutes the field into Kryptonite. Game over.

Originally posted by Galan007
RKT transmutes the field into Kryptonite. Game over.

Too much solar energy reserves to save the Blonde whore in time!

RKT gets blitzed, punched a million times and then split in half before he could blink.

Time Stops Kal puts him in the trophy room as a living trophy.

Originally posted by golem370
Time Stops Kal puts him in the trophy room as a living trophy. I don't know if time-stops would even work on S1M. When Epoch used the Anti-Hourglass to place he and B1M in an eternal time-loop, Kal's 5th dimensional senses enabled him to perceive/act outside of mainstream time, and break free of the loop:
http://i.imgur.com/0Kbsyms.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MiofXEK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZEdjbUG.jpg

This is how Kal actually did so:
http://i.imgur.com/1c8cuRA.jpg


5D super-senses are just stupid...

Thor, easily.

Wouldn't stopping time then having them caught in a loop though?

Why are people arguing time stop for RKT? He never did such a thing.

Aside from smashing the Loom of Fate, RKT didn't really do... Anything at all. However, we still know that he possessed the Odinforce in-full, along with the intellect/perceptions that go along with it. If we don't apply a bit of logical power-scaling(based on what the Odinforce can/has done in the past), RKT wouldn't win any of these battles. He's nearly featless. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from smashing the Loom of Fate, RKT didn't really do... Anything at all. However, we still know that he possessed the Odinforce in-full, along with the intellect/perceptions that go along with it. If we don't apply a bit of logical power-scaling(based on what the Odinforce can/has done in the past), RKT wouldn't win any of these battles. He's nearly featless. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from smashing the Loom of Fate, RKT didn't really do... Anything at all. However, we still know that he possessed the Odinforce in-full, along with the intellect/perceptions that go along with it. If we don't apply a bit of logical power-scaling(based on what the Odinforce can/has done in the past), RKT wouldn't win any of these battles. He's nearly featless. /shrug

So, you would still go with RKT?

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from smashing the Loom of Fate, RKT didn't really do... Anything at all. However, we still know that he possessed the Odinforce in-full, along with the intellect/perceptions that go along with it. If we don't apply a bit of logical power-scaling(based on what the Odinforce can/has done in the past), RKT wouldn't win any of these battles. He's nearly featless. /shrug
Didn't he beat a Skyfather level Loki? Didn't he wtfpwn Sutur w/Twilight? Or were you being sarcastic?

He beat Loki. He didn't fight Surtur, though.

And again: I said "nearly" featless. He's got a few cool feats, but he only appeared in like 2 issues, so you can't expect too much...

Originally posted by Galan007
He beat Loki. He didn't fight Surtur, though.

And again: I said "nearly" featless. He's got a few cool feats, but he only appeared in like 2 issues, so you can't expect too much...
So why the phuck were people saying he TIERS above Odin?

Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't he beat a Skyfather level Loki? Didn't he wtfpwn Sutur w/Twilight? Or were you being sarcastic? Casually but I guess you need ten feats to qualify for a forum fight. Funny how the standards change from thread to thread.

Originally posted by zopzop
So why the phuck were people saying he TIERS above Odin? A few people LOVE applying no-limits fallacies onto him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Casually but I guess you need ten feats to qualify for a forum fight. Funny how the standards change from thread to thread. Originally posted by Galan007
A few people LOVE applying no-limits fallacies onto him.
Incredible. So wait, was Loki at least skyfather level? How did he get that level of power? Any skyfather level Loki feats worth mentioning?

I'm actually leaning toward Kal Kent for the majority now.

Originally posted by zopzop
Incredible. So wait, was Loki at least skyfather level? How did he get that level of power? Any skyfather level Loki feats worth mentioning?

I'm actually leaning toward Kal Kent for the majority now. Why would you lean towards Kal ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why would you lean towards Kal ?
5D Bloodline and powers.

Superman 1M.

this is a tricky 1 because kal kent is completely imune to magic. on the other hand like galan said, kal can be hurt by kryptonite and RKT will know it and simply create kryptonite or turn the whole battlefield into such. you know what would be interesting? we know that kal kent is hurt by kryptonite when he is not under the super sun, but what happens if he got kryptonite but he is under the super sun? maybe thats the reason his bio all over the internet says he is imune to kryptonite and has no weaknesses and basically invincible. because thats the situation under the super sun.

RKT was pretty ambiguous, but IMO the few feats he had put him very clearly above Odin.

Firstly, what he did to Mangog. Mangog is a proven peer to Odin, and Thor basically grabbed him by the scruff of the neck like an insolent puppy, vaporized his body, and ate his soul like a cookie.

Then there's Surtur, another proven peer (some might argue superior) to Odin, and he was just absolutely terrified of RKT, he basically shit his pants at the very sight of him and wouldn't even attempt to fight.

Then there's the stuff with Loki, the Fates, and Those Who Sit Above in Shadow and stuff.

damn i love this thread. i love both RKT and kal kent. its like no matter who people are voting for i love it. by the way, in hourman 1 million if i am not mistaken, kal kent is beasten by that enetgy ball called else man. the else man can copy their foe powers and become a better version of their opponents. 2 questions. first one were they fighting at the 853 centery and kal kent was empowered by the super sun? because he got wrecked and hurt and wasnt really healing. secondly, the else man seem to turn into the golden superman 1 million when he fought kal kent. kal kent even stated he became his hero or something. was it a copy of golden superman 1 million? it doesnt make much sense that the else man can turn into such powerful beings i mean hourman 1 million took them all down eventually.

Originally posted by TheLurkingFear
Firstly, what he did to Mangog. Mangog is a proven peer to Odin, and Thor basically grabbed him by the scruff of the neck like an insolent puppy, vaporized his body, and ate his soul like a cookie.

Then there's Surtur, another proven peer (some might argue superior) to Odin, and he was just absolutely terrified of RKT, he basically shit his pants at the very sight of him and wouldn't even attempt to fight. a.) Mangog was powerless -- Loki had been siphoning away his magics:
http://i.imgur.com/PzPb47o.jpg

b.) Surtur was NOT afraid of RKT at all. He actually looked forward to a battle with him:
http://i.imgur.com/tm2jPNv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WJFHD9f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LJos4mU.jpg

Thor was well above Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
So why the phuck were people saying he TIERS above Odin? he should be 1 solid tier above odin, he had full access ti the odinpower plus he had more knowledge of rune magic then Odin ever did as stated by the odinpower itself at 1 point.

now rkt easily defeated Loki who had absorb the magic of Asgard and had absorb mangog powers that itself is impressive.

I am of the opinion that RKT>Odin. However, I do not believe the difference between them was as vast as some believe. In fact, there were a few in-universe references to RKT being as powerful/knowledgeable as Odin himself, which certainly does need to be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by Galan007
I am of the opinion that RKT>Odin. However, I do not believe the difference between them was as vast as some believe. In fact, there were a few in-universe references to RKT being as powerful/knowledgeable as Odin himself, which certainly does need to be taken into consideration.
Interesting......

Originally posted by zopzop
Incredible. So wait, was Loki at least skyfather level? How did he get that level of power? Any skyfather level Loki feats worth mentioning? Sorry, zop. Just saw this question.

In that story, Loki was able to overtake Asgard in Odin's absence. He absorbed the power of Asgard + the magics of Mangog. He also wielded a Mjolnir-esque weapon. Aside from that, he had no real feats to speak of -- just implied power. As I'm sure you know, RKT did 'beat' him quite casually:
http://i.imgur.com/3VjD97A.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Sorry, zop. Just saw this question.

In that story, Loki was able to overtake Asgard in Odin's absence. He absorbed the power of Asgard + the magics of Mangog. He also wielded a Mjolnir-esque weapon. Aside from that, he had no real feats to speak of -- just implied power. As I'm sure you know, RKT did 'beat' him quite casually:
http://i.imgur.com/3VjD97A.jpg
Thank you for explaining that. IMHO, that COULD be a feat for the Odinforce (the defeat of Loki that is). I seem to recall that Odin has complete control over Asgard and the lifeforce of ALL Asgardians. Didn't he loan Thor the Odinpower to fight Surtur then absorb all of Asgard's power to take the fight to Seth?

Since RKThor had the full Odinforce in that arc............http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/think/m1703.gif

^ That, and smashing the Loom of Fate, are really RKT's only noteworthy feats

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Mangog was powerless -- Loki had been siphoning away his magics:
http://i.imgur.com/PzPb47o.jpg

b.) Surtur was NOT afraid of RKT at all. He actually looked forward to a battle with him:
http://i.imgur.com/tm2jPNv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WJFHD9f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LJos4mU.jpg

seriously.

wtf is it with this character that makes everyone think he's lt level of something?

i'm still not sure exactly how loki absorbed the power the asgard power (if that was really what he possessed). his own hammer was considerably weaker than mjolnir. magog would have given him a boost, but thor took him out by himself in that map of all-ending arc, so... meh. loki was amped for sure. i wouldn't put him past trans. at least not definitively. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
seriously.

wtf is it with this character that makes everyone think he's lt level of something?

i'm still not sure exactly how loki absorbed the power the asgard power (if that was really what he possessed). his own hammer was considerably weaker than mjolnir. magog would have given him a boost, but thor took him out by himself in that map of all-ending arc, so... meh. loki was amped for sure. i wouldn't put him past trans. at least not definitively. /shrug Agreed.

Had Loki siphoned the power/magic of Silver Age Mangog, it would be a different story. As it stands, I really don't think RKT beheading that version of Loki skyrockets him into this Supreme Being-esque tier of power, as some do. It is a great feat, sure, but it isn't something a decently-written version of Odin couldn't do, imo. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas

wtf is it with this character that makes everyone think he's lt level of something?
Galan busted the RKT myth like Branlor did SoK. Bookmark this thread!

Poor RKT. He doesn't stand a chance.

... RKT went far beyond Odin-power. He's not being represented properly in this thread.

Just my humble opinion. stoned

Loki must have stolen some of Mangog's powers, but he's far from powerless. There's also no indication that Thor depowered Loki before he took his head off. That's just speculating in the other direction.

Originally posted by leonidas
seriously.

wtf is it with this character that makes everyone think he's lt level of something?

i'm still not sure exactly how loki absorbed the power the asgard power (if that was really what he possessed). his own hammer was considerably weaker than mjolnir. magog would have given him a boost, but thor took him out by himself in that map of all-ending arc, so... meh. loki was amped for sure. i wouldn't put him past trans. at least not definitively. /shrug

Why would you say that Loki's hammer was weaker than the original?

The replicas were forged by Surtur and they even broke the original when they all struck together.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Loki must have stolen some of Mangog's powers, but he's far from powerless. There's also no indication that Thor depowered Loki before he took his head off. That's just speculating in the other direction.



Why would you say that Loki's hammer was weaker than the original?

The replicas were forged by Surtur and they even broke the original when they all struck together.

i don't think he depowered loki--i think he just killed him easily, because loki wasn't all that powerful. i don't see the feat as being beyond what a po'd odin would be capable of.

as for the weaker hammers:

http://imgur.com/a/3Kago

it took 4 of loki's hammers to break mjolnir--hyrim's, ulik (who had 2, one on each hand) and fenris'.

Yes, that's not a proof of either of them being counterfeit.

They were made by Surtur, and we know that two hammers connecting don't make them break.

counterfeit?

not sure what that means. they were made in the forge, but they were weaker. it's....in black and white.

"it could be used to spawn other great weapons, WEAKER than mjolnir but greater in number...." not sure what there is to disagree about. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
counterfeit?

not sure what that means. they were made in the forge, but they were weaker. it's....in black and white.

"it could be used to spawn other great weapons, WEAKER than mjolnir but greater in number...." not sure what there is to disagree about. /shrug

Completely missed that

Loki's Mjolnir seemed quite potent though, since he could still do energyblasts and shit.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Loki must have stolen some of Mangog's powers, but he's far from powerless. Thor outright says: "Your magic FAILS YOU, Mangog":
http://i.imgur.com/PzPb47o.jpg

Loki then states he had "siphoned the magics of Mangog":
http://i.imgur.com/g4eKlIS.jpg


So IF Mangog still had some power left, it was very minuscule(relative to his peak, of course.) IOW, RKT beating him really isn't that impressive...Certainly not beyond the ability of Odin himself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... RKT went far beyond Odin-power. He's not being represented properly in this thread.

Just my humble opinion. stoned So represent him 'properly', then. none

RKT appeared in exactly 2 issues, so I'm not sure what you saw that we didn't..? Though I would be more than happy to post the references that compare RKT's power/knowledge to that of Odin himself. I would also be happy to post the references to Thor's humanity(not raw power) being the key to 'one-upping' The Fates and TWSAIS. I would also be happy to post the reference to Odin himself engineering/masterminding all of the events that led to Thor overcoming the cycle of Ragnarok.


Again, I don't mind the notion that RKT>Odin. I simply cannot agree that Thor was "far" beyond Odin-level. No-limits fallacies aside, there is more evidence that disagrees with that assertion than there is to the contrary... Frankly, I'm being quite giving here. /shrug

How do you know that?

His magic failing him means that his magic isn't sufficient to beat on RKT.

We don't know how strong or weak he was.

^ You're just applying your own preconceived notion to the statements/scenes, me thinks. The context is quite clear -- Mangog's magics had been siphoned away by Loki, leaving him vastly depowered/nigh-powerless(whichever terminology you prefer.)

Point is: RKT certainly didn't beat a peak Mangog there. IOW, that feat certainly doesn't skyrocket him to Odin-level+++.

Originally posted by Galan007

So represent him 'properly', then. none

RKT appeared in exactly 2 issues, so I'm not sure what you saw that we didn't..? Though I would be more than happy to post the references that compare RKT's power/knowledge to that of Odin himself. I would also be happy to post the references to Thor's humanity(not raw power) being the key to 'one-upping' The Fates and TWSAIS. I would also be happy to post the reference to Odin himself engineering/masterminding all of the events that led to Thor overcoming the cycle of Ragnarok.


Again, I don't mind the notion that RKT>Odin. I simply cannot agree that Thor was "far" beyond Odin-level. No-limits fallacies aside, there is more evidence that disagrees with that assertion than there is to the contrary... Frankly, I'm being quite giving here. /shrug

Yup.


Cheers.

If RKT wasn't more powerful than those that sit above, then why didn't they just blast him?

Originally posted by Galan007

Point is: RKT certainly didn't beat a peak Mangog there. IOW, that feat certainly doesn't skyrocket him to Odin-level+++.

I agree with this at least.

This is a tough matchup for Thor with Kal's magic immunity.

Originally posted by zopzop
So why the phuck were people saying he TIERS above Odin?



He beat the ****ing Fates and effortlessly disintegrated Mangog.

*sighs*

I give up...

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Mangog was powerless -- Loki had been siphoning away his magics:
http://i.imgur.com/PzPb47o.jpg

b.) Surtur was NOT afraid of RKT at all. He actually looked forward to a battle with him:
http://i.imgur.com/tm2jPNv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WJFHD9f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LJos4mU.jpg

RKT still sonned him.

Originally posted by Galan007
*sighs*

I give up...

Do you agree that The Fates were > Odin?

Originally posted by Galan007
*sighs*

I give up...


Your point about Mangog is well taken- but he ****ing disintegrated him. How often does that happen on comics, to anyone? Then there's the fact than he treated the Ferris Wolf and Durok like mice. And Sky father Loki, and the Fates. He was WAY above Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galan busted the RKT myth like Branlor did SoK. Bookmark this thread!


Galan did not such thing. You were looking for an excuse to exercise your bias since your first post in the thread. Just because SOME of Mangog's power had been siphoned off doesn't change or negate all the other incredible feats shown by Thor in the arc. By the way, if Loki took some of Mangogs power, then Thor beheaded an amped skyfather Loki further amped by Mangog.

By the way, while you are hanging all sprawled out on Galans nuts, Galans simply gave his opinion as to Thor's power level, which he still put above Odin. So what exactly did he debunk again?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Galan did not such thing. You were looking for an excuse to exercise your bias since your first post in the thread. Just because SOME of Mangog's power had been siphoned off doesn't change or negate all the other incredible feats shown by Thor in the arc. By the way, if Loki took some of Mangogs power, then Thor beheaded an amped Loki further amped by Mangog.

Who said Kal would be immune to the highest level Asgardian magic, magic Odin didn't even know, from another universe?

He's immune because of his 5D heritage.

5D Imps >>>>>(continue forever) RKT

I hate when people apply no-limits fallacies, but it's just as bad to assume limits when none are warranted.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Then there's the fact than he treated the Ferris Wolf and Durok like mice. 'The fact'? RKT didn't even confront/fight either of them directly, lol.

This is a common trend I'm seeing with RKT: people just making up feats. I don't understand it at all.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And Sky father Loki Even IF you believe Loki was Skyfather-level, he was certainly at the lower-end of that tier... Below Odin-level, imo. If you have feats to the contrary, feel free to post them.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
and the Fates. He was WAY above Odin. RKT outright stated that he could not defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose.) He beat them, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting/smashing/cutting a cosmic flaw in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate. That's it.

It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings -- not his raw power.


RKT is only "WAY" more powerful than Odin if you ignore.... Pretty much every fact we were given in the issues. If you can prove me wrong with on-panel evidence, go right ahead.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Who said Kal would be immune to the highest level Asgardian magic, magic Odin didn't even know, from another universe? Watch how posters tell you how weak Loki is despite him siphoning Mangog's power as well as his own. Thor had the awareness to defeat the Fates as well which is demonstrated by the wisdom/increased power he demonstrated throughout the arc. I guess exploiting a weakness he was aware of doesn't count either. It's just another DC fanboy upset that Thor wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
'The fact'? RKT didn't even confront/fight either of them directly, lol.

This is a common trend I'm seeing with RKT: people just making up feats. I don't understand it at all.

Even IF you believe Loki was Skyfather-level, he was certainly at the lower-end of that tier... Below Odin-level, imo. If you have feats to the contrary, feel free to post them.

RKT outright stated that he could not defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose.) He beat them, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting/smashing/cutting a cosmic flaw in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate. That's it.

It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings -- not his raw power.


RKT is only "WAY" more powerful than Odin if you ignore.... Pretty much every fact we were given in the issues. If you can prove me wrong with on-panel evidence, go right ahead.

lol, wow.

Originally posted by Galan007
'The fact'? RKT didn't even confront/fight either of them directly, lol.

This is a common trend I'm seeing with RKT: people just making up feats. I don't understand it at all.

Even IF you believe Loki was Skyfather-level, he was certainly at the lower-end of that tier... Below Odin-level, imo. If you have feats to the contrary, feel free to post them.

RKT outright stated that he could not defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose.) He beat them, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting/smashing/cutting a cosmic flaw in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate. That's it.

It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings -- not his raw power.


RKT is only "WAY" more powerful than Odin if you ignore.... Pretty much every fact we were given in the issues. If you can prove me wrong with on-panel evidence, go right ahead.



this is why i use ignore so liberally..... you will NEVER get posted proof of anything from him. hilarious he thought it was rkt who beat durok though. and fenris ran from....captain america in that arc! before he got his sh!t pushed in my bill alone. i'm astounded by the fact that people get so defensive about a character who existed in 1.5 issues of a book. has rkt always precipitated this type of response...?

i never even said who i think would win this. ftr i'd take rkt which i guess flies in the face of the whole dc fanboy thing.... always hilarious when a fanboy of a company cries and b!tches like a child that someone else is acting like a fanboy of the other company. classic retard go-to move.

Galan is wrong. That is my final judgement.

Phuck proof; I just KNOW it

Originally posted by Cogito
He's immune because of his 5D heritage.

5D Imps >>>>>(continue forever) RKT

People seem to be forgetting this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Galan is wrong. That is my final judgement.

Phuck proof; I just KNOW it Leo seems really upset about this thing. So much so he isolates himself with the ignore button refusing to even listen to the opposition. Close minded fellas are odd.

Originally posted by leonidas
i never even said who i think would win this. ftr i'd take rkt which i guess flies in the face of the whole dc fanboy thing.... always hilarious when a fanboy of a company cries and b!tches like a child that someone else is acting like a fanboy of the other company. classic retard go-to move. ikr?

Hell, my very first response in this thread was giving RKT the win via transmutation of the battlefield. Direct magic wouldn't affect Kal, but indirect magic would... But I suppose it's just easier to ignore things like that and start trollishly flaming/bashing, because a certain preconceived rationale has been proven wrong.

Originally posted by Galan007
ikr?

Hell, my very first response in this thread was giving RKT the win via transmutation of the battlefield. Direct magic wouldn't affect Kal, but indirect magic would... But I suppose it's just easier to ignore things like that and start trollishly flaming/bashing, because a certain preconceived rationale has been proven wrong.

by the way, as far as i remember kal kent was hurt by the kryptonite outside of his solar system which means he didnt have the super sun. Lol i find it funny that 1 million is basically so dependant on the super sun, otherwise he is simply losing his powers over time. he should be traveling with the super sun attached to a string, something like this

fact of forum life nowadays.

Originally posted by Dareangel
by the way, as far as i remember kal kent was hurt by the kryptonite outside of his solar system which means he didnt have the super sun. Lol i find it funny that 1 million is basically so dependant on the super sun, otherwise he is simply losing his powers over time. he should be traveling with the super sun attached to a string, something like this

Without his power source he is quite weak.

Originally posted by zopzop
People seem to be forgetting this.

Originally posted by Dareangel
by the way, as far as i remember kal kent was hurt by the kryptonite outside of his solar system which means he didnt have the super sun. Lol i find it funny that 1 million is basically so dependant on the super sun, otherwise he is simply losing his powers over time. he should be traveling with the super sun attached to a string, something like this

That makes his punching through the time barrier, by strength alone, so uber.

Originally posted by Dareangel
by the way, as far as i remember kal kent was hurt by the kryptonite outside of his solar system which means he didnt have the super sun. Lol i find it funny that 1 million is basically so dependant on the super sun, otherwise he is simply losing his powers over time. he should be traveling with the super sun attached to a string, something like this His powers begin to fade after 36 hours away from the Super Sun:
http://i.imgur.com/2RLG9HR.jpg
So it's not like he becomes insta-depowered when he ventures away from the Sun... But it really does make sense. After all, Superman Prime 1M granted the Dynasty these massive powers as long as they remained the loyal protectors of Earth. You can't really defend Earth properly when you're on the other side of the universe. Hence their powers waning as they move away from the Super Sun. Hence them being at their most powerful ON/NEAR Earth.

But again, you have to think of said depletion in relative terms. After all, when Kal is vastly depowered(relative to his peak), he is still able to one-shot mid/high-heralds with his phucking breath alone. So...

It's absurd how someone so powerful is so reliant on a "direct" power source.

Not really. He has a 36 hour window before his powers begin to wane. He is powerful enough to end most threats WELL within that time... And his suit also contains a Boom Tube, making cross-universal/dimensional transport instantaneous.

Hey, 36 hours without food would tax ME, and I'm pretty uber.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not really. He has a 36 hour window before his powers begin to wane. He is powerful enough to end most threats WELL within that time... And his suit also contains a Boom Tube, making cross-universal/dimensional transport instantaneous.

36 hours is a world of time for someone with his reactions.

But it's still just 36 hours...

How long does Supes last when outside the range of a yellow sun? a week?

He doesn't have the expenditure S1M has, though.

Maybe S1M should try to be a bit more efficient with his expenditure then? He's running on fumes just about every other comic he's in.

He's the supergod of tomorrow and he doesn't know not to blow his load in the hallway?

He just cares too much

Speaking of blowing wads, where's abhi?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He doesn't have the expenditure S1M has, though. S1M was using his powers on a galactic level, without the light of the Super Sun replenishing him, and still wasn't taxed afterward. Just saying...

Originally posted by Galan007
S1M was using his powers on a galactic level, without the light of the Super Sun replenishing him, and still wasn't taxed afterward. Just saying...

WELCOME TO THE HOUSE OF EL!!!!!

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Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
WELCOME TO THE HOUSE OF EL!!!!! Pfft. I was debating S1M before the 'House of El' was even an itch in your pants.

Originally posted by Juntai
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What did you say in your post?

REVEAL YOURSELF!!!!!

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Mangog? ... whatever. Loki, who was at-least Skyfatherish? Nice, but whatever.

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The fact that Thor was able to act against the Norn Fates says it all.

To the 3 sisters, (Norn Fates) even all-father Odin's existence ...

... is just a fragile "thread" that the Fates can snip at their leisure.

Here they allow Balder to handle (and choose to cut and die if he wishes) his own "life thread"
he didn't do it,
instead he was able to witness all possible consequences based on any/all decisions he ever made into the Future:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24140429_Fates1.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/24140579_Fates4.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/24140580_Fates5.jpg

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The Norn Fates are unaffected by Satrina's attack, and then state:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24157906_Norns_Supreme.jpg

"Our power be supreme ... none hath power against us, not even the All-Father Himself"

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Daken asked the Norn Fates:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/24157925_Norns_Supreme2.jpg

"You can see the Future" ... The Norns reply: "We are the Future"

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The Norn Fates inside their realm, ground zero of their power source:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24146917_RKT000.jpg

Rune King Thor: 'I'm about to phuk your whole shit up biatches'

The Norn Fates: "No! No! It's not fair, they gave this power to us ... to us! Don't take it away!"

Rune King Thor: 'Oh, but I will .. and wut u gonna do bout it?' ... freeze, squirm and observe your demise!

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Those Who Sit Above in Shadow give Loki NINE UniverseS at their entropic stage. (one being 616)

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The writer tells us about the realm of 'They Who Sit Above in Shadow:'

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24154657_RKT.jpg

"If Gods can be said to have Gods themselves, this is where they live"

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'Those Who Sit Above in Shadow' tell Loki:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24154658_RKT1.jpg

"We ... who are to Asgard as its immortal sons and daughters are to the realms of Men"

Notice, they also threaten Loki ...

Loki, doesn't pause to obey:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24154659_RKT2.jpg
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24154768_RKT3.jpg

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Loki found a loophole to defy the orders he was given,
so 'Those Who Sit Above in Shadow' gave Loki what he wanted, which was to rule the nine realms,
but they played Loki as Uatu appears and tells us,
they set Loki up at the end of time where the nine realms are heading towards entropy.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24154661_RKT4.jpghttp://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24154662_RKT5.jpg

"With the slightest of thought,
the Ones Who Sit Above in Shadow, Gods to the Gods themselves, gave Loki what he wanted"

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Bad ass feat for Those Who Sit Above in Shadow ...

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Rune King Thor is about to phuk their whole shit up too ... they confront Thor, but ...

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http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24146918_RKT0000.jpghttp://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24146919_RKT00000.jpg

TWSAIS: "Wait Thor! We see your deeds, you have won our respect. We witness not only your strength but your wisdom."

Rune King Thor: 'aaahhh shut the phuk up son' ... "I come as your doom!"

You were depicted as having power over universeS ... I'm RKT, I don't care, "I come as your doom" stoned

Again:
RKT explicitly stated that he could NOT defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose):
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg

He beat The Fates, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting/smashing/cutting a cosmic 'flaw' in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate:
http://i.imgur.com/SipIP02.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dsqqC8C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gkj9gyL.jpg
That's it. He certainly did not straight-up overpower either party.


It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings, and allowed him to beat them -- NOT his raw power:
http://i.imgur.com/KVEgebH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vx9e5Ek.jpg


I want to emphasize this portion of the above text, because I doubt certain people will take the time to actually click on the links:
http://i.imgur.com/TVPrvXM.jpg

And how knowledgeable was RKT? Well, he was directly compared to Odin in that regard:
http://i.imgur.com/b59DTCM.jpg
"You DO have the wisdom of Odin..."


As I said: RKT really did NOTHING on-panel to place him tiers above Odin. However, if the RKT myth/wank is still being perpetuated tomorrow, I can chop it down even further. Right now I have a class to teach, so I've got to go. See ya in the morn.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
WELCOME TO THE HOUSE OF EL!!!!!

I destroyed the house of el. H1 joined my team, Boardwalker left you and so did Prof.

You have no one.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I destroyed the house of el. H1 joined my team, Boardwalker left you and so did Prof.

You have no one.
I'm still there! Brutaal ftw!

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm still there! Brutaal ftw!

Originally posted by quanchi112


Without his power source he is quite weak.

Funny right!

But hold on there true believers, doesn't the same thing applies to Thor as well?!

Egad man, you're right!

Originally posted by Galan007

Again:
RKT explicitly stated that he could NOT defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose)
Interesting.

So, are you saying the "Fates" had the power to stop Thor, but off-panel decided not too, instead?
Originally posted by Galan007

He beat The Fates, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting/smashing/cutting a cosmic 'flaw' in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate:

That's it. He certainly did not straight-up overpower either party.
Again, so, both the Fates, and TWSAIS could've stopped Thor,
but no, off-panel they had suicidal tendencies that needed to be satisfied instead.
Originally posted by Galan007

It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings, and allowed him to beat them -- NOT his raw power
I see. So both the Fates and TWSAIS were helpless due to Thor's humanity/mortality.

... hmm, sounds like Hickman's spin where humans can beat BeyonderS.
Originally posted by Galan007

And how knowledgeable was RKT? Well, he was directly compared to Odin in that regard:

"You DO have the wisdom of Odin..."
But ... Rune King Thor ascended beyond the perception of the Odin-power:

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30212185_RKT0-1.jpg

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I think you missed my point old friend.

The Fates were there, right in front of Thor, but they did nothing to stop their doom.

TWSAIS were also there, knowing Thor was about to bring the curtain down on em, yet, they did nothing!

TWSAIS once issued a thought, and it gave Loki NINE universeS.

Originally posted by Mr Master

But ... Rune King Thor ascended beyond the perception of the Odin-power:

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30212185_RKT0-1.jpg

Yup. And again it was do to his humanity and the lessons he learned as the mortal Don Blake.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Cogito
He's immune because of his 5D heritage.

5D Imps >>>>>(continue forever) RKT

I hate when people apply no-limits fallacies, but it's just as bad to assume limits when none are warranted.

Yet you are the one proposing a no limits fallacy. You are proposing Superman's magic immunity spans the omniverse when there is no evidence of such.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yet you are the one proposing a no limits fallacy. You are proposing Superman's magic immunity spans the omniverse when there is no evidence of such.

He also isn't immune to the effects of magic. What he's done on panel pales in comparison to Thor. Hyperbole ridden defense for Kal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Leo seems really upset about this thing. So much so he isolates himself with the ignore button refusing to even listen to the opposition. Close minded fellas are odd.


He spends his life whining in his own pocket universe.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yet you are the one proposing a no limits fallacy. You are proposing Superman's magic immunity spans the omniverse when there is no evidence of such.

That ISN'T what he is proposing.

The power demonstrated by a 5D imp trumps anything demonstrated by Rune King Thor. It is this fact that makes The Rune King's mystical abilities moot.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I destroyed the house of el. H1 joined my team, Boardwalker left you and so did Prof.

You have no one.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. And again it was do to his humanity and the lessons he learned as the mortal Don Blake.


He had power over them, end of story. Sorry you don't approve. Perhaps you can explain why the Fates would have chosen under this fictional scenario to sit there and be killed.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
That ISN'T what he is proposing.

The power demonstrated by a 5D imp trumps anything demonstrated by Rune King Thor. It is this fact that makes The Rune King's mystical abilities moot.

First, no it doesn't, second. more than one person in the thread has referenced his magical immunity as the reason he would win. Stop talking in red and read.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He spends his life whining in his own pocket universe. With everyone on ignore. I guess he's forced to Facebook debating.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
First, no it doesn't, second. more than one person in the thread has referenced his magical immunity as the reason he would win. Stop talking in red and read.

Let's compare feats between 5D Imps and Rune King Thor.

Feel free to go first.

Being depowered and having their will broken by Annataz. Ok, you go.

Since when did you ever debate Superman? You let Carver run all over you for the past 3 years. Besides Boardwalker isn't here to bail you out anymore.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He had power over them, end of story. Sorry you don't approve. Perhaps you can explain why the Fates would have chosen under this fictional scenario to sit there and be killed.
Why do you keep ignoring the repeated on panel proof that it was his humanity that allowed him to overcome the Fates and end the cycle of Ragnarok? I mean I didn't write the story. If you have a problem with that take it up with the writer.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again:
RKT explicitly stated that he could NOT defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose):
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg

He beat The Fates, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting/smashing/cutting a cosmic 'flaw' in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate:
http://i.imgur.com/SipIP02.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dsqqC8C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gkj9gyL.jpg
That's it. He certainly did not straight-up overpower either party.


It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings, and allowed him to beat them -- NOT his raw power:
http://i.imgur.com/KVEgebH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vx9e5Ek.jpg


I want to emphasize this portion of the above text, because I doubt certain people will take the time to actually click on the links:
http://i.imgur.com/TVPrvXM.jpg

And how knowledgeable was RKT? Well, he was directly compared to Odin in that regard:
http://i.imgur.com/b59DTCM.jpg
"You DO have the wisdom of Odin..."


As I said: RKT really did NOTHING on-panel to place him tiers above Odin. However, if the RKT myth/wank is still being perpetuated tomorrow, I can chop it down even further. Right now I have a class to teach, so I've got to go. See ya in the morn.



He was casting spell this all father version of Loki never heard of and tried to mock. But I guess that doesn't count as power in your book.

Thor raped and killed the Fates and told them ahead of time, which are basically the gods of the gods. It's magnitudes above Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
Why do you keep ignoring the repeated on panel proof that it was his humanity that allowed him to overcome the Fates and end the cycle of Ragnarok? I mean I didn't write the story. If you have a problem with that take it up with the writer.


How does that not qualify as power? His humanity made him MORE powerful. Your head is too far up Galans ass for you to think. The pomegranate poms doesn't help either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being depowered and having their will broken by Annataz. Ok, you go.

Wiping out the entire Multiverse and recreating it on a whim.

Your turn, Thanosi, for The Blonde Whore.

Coward lob

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How does that not qualify as power? His humanity made him MORE powerful. Your head is too far up Galans ass for you to think. The pomegranate poms doesn't help either.
What's your fascination with Galan's genitalia (balls, ass, etc..)? Sounds like you need to seek help for that.

Regarding the rest of your post, you've provided nothing in way of scans and you seem to have issues with the way the story was written, that's your problem, not mine.

^

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch how posters tell you how weak Loki is despite him siphoning Mangog's power as well as his own. Thor had the awareness to defeat the Fates as well which is demonstrated by the wisdom/increased power he demonstrated throughout the arc. I guess exploiting a weakness he was aware of doesn't count either. It's just another DC fanboy upset that Thor wins.


Vast knowledge, power and unimaginable magic, it's all same thing with RKT. Maybe Kal's power should be discounted because he didn't do anything to earn it.

Superman fans are such ****ing babies, they remind me so much of Trump.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Wiping out the entire Multiverse and recreating it on a whim.

Your turn, Thanosi, for The Blonde Whore. Elseworlds. Not canon.



Name a canon feat. I named someone with far less power easily break and humiliate him. That's called relevancy.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Vast knowledge, power and unimaginable magic, it's all same thing with RKT. Maybe Kal's power should be discounted because he didn't do anything to earn it.

Superman fans are such ****ing babies, they remind me so much of Trump.

You whine more then any body on the forum tho?

Originally posted by zopzop
What's your fascination with Galan's genitalia (balls, ass, etc..)? Sounds like you need to seek help for that.

Regarding the rest of your post, you've provided nothing in way of scans and you seem to have issues with the way the story was written, that's your problem, not mine.


Your the one who finds his nuts interesting, not me. Stop cupping them in public and present your own argument. You are allowing him to tell you a nice story rather than reading the issue and coming up with your independent thoughts. Plus, this allows you not to concentrate on why Kal would win.

Smh

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Your the one who finds his nuts interesting, not me.
And yet, you're the one bringing them (and his other body parts) up post after post.

Originally posted by zopzop
And yet, you're the one bringing them (and his other body parts) up post after post.



Yes, because you hopped on his nuts and you haven't hopped off yet. The common denominator is you.

Your parents must have abused you with Superman pajamas as a child.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Elseworlds. Not canon.



Name a canon feat. I named someone with far less power easily break and humiliate him. That's called relevancy.

It is ABSOLUTELY canon, Emo eggplant worshipper!

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yes, because you hopped on his nuts and you haven't hopped off yet. The common denominator is you.

Smh

__________________

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Your parents must have abused you with Superman pajamas as a child.
http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/post-4-1106180528.jpg
It all makes sense now!

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How does that not qualify as power? His humanity made him MORE powerful.

There is absolutely zero evidence that Thor was more powerful because of his experiences with humanity. At multiple points the text explicitly tells us that Thor's humanity made it impossible for TWSAIS to predict what Thor would do, as they could with every other god.

"TWSAIS: "We know all the outcomes, past, present and future."

Thor: "No! This time is different. My father saw a way to hide me from your manipulations. You have seen the strength of the Gods, but not of mortal men. I have lived as one of them and their ways flow through me."

TWSAIS: "Really? This could be interesting..."


Then later:

"You possessed something TWSAIS could not comprehend, and therefore could not foresee. Your knowledge of humanity, a gift from your father, shielded your true intentions from the shadow gods."

"Your singular experience as both god and man has set you apart. It gave you a human understanding of fate, of self-determination, of self-sacrifice. That knowledge, combined with the unyielding heroism of the gods, saved you."

"In the face of overwhelming odds, man will always fight, never back down nor surrender. Where the Asgardian gods embraced a singular, inevitable death - the Shadow gods trapped them in a never-ending cycle - your human experiences sought another way..."


Thor's humanity did NOT make him more powerful than Odin. It simply meant that he addressed challenges and sought solutions to problems in ways that no god did, which meant that TWSAIS had no clue what he was up to until it was too late to stop him. The text tells us this explicitly.


Cheers.

wow this is like a one big respect thread to both superman 1 million and Rune King Thor. this thread should be sticky with golden titles

Originally posted by LGU

TWSAIS had no clue what he was up to until it was too late to stop him.
"too late to stop him?" ...

They (the Fates and TWSAIS) were right there in front of Thor BEFORE he acted.

Heck, Thor even spit a mini dialogue BEFORE acting.

The Fates > Odin ...

and TWSAIS (with a thought) produced NINE universeS (one being 616) for Loki. (so, far beyond Odin)

*** WHY didn't they attempt to stop Thor ***

Who cares how Thor was able to hide from their perceptions,
it's not like Thor broke the loom behind their backs from some undisclosed secret location

NO! ... Thor was in front of their faces, and he jobbed before acting.

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Only option here:

... you believe Thor was immune to both of them due to his "humanity" ... which is nonsense and false.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
It is ABSOLUTELY canon, Emo eggplant worshipper! Elseworlds isn't canon. What I cited was. I win.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How does that not qualify as power? His humanity made him MORE powerful. Your head is too far up Galans ass for you to think. The pomegranate poms doesn't help either.

Do you read skim look at pretty pictures only as far as you need to to feel that your opinion is validated? It outright stated that his humanity only made him unpredictable compared to the behavior of most Gods.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yet you are the one proposing a no limits fallacy. You are proposing Superman's magic immunity spans the omniverse when there is no evidence of such.

When a character is already in the Skyfather range, and stated specifically to be immune to magic because of his 5D heritage, it's hardly a stretch to assume that applies to a being who's only a little above him in raw power.

That doesn't mean he's immune to the effects of magic.

...Except it was explicitly stated on panel that he's immune to magic

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. And again it was do to his humanity and the lessons he learned as the mortal Don Blake. Originally posted by zopzop
Why do you keep ignoring the repeated on panel proof that it was his humanity that allowed him to overcome the Fates and end the cycle of Ragnarok? I mean I didn't write the story. If you have a problem with that take it up with the writer. Exactly.

I mean, it was stated MULTIPLE times on-panel that RKT's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over The Fates & TWSAIS... Never once was his raw power credited for such(heck, RKT himself stated that he did NOT have the power to defeat The Fates outright.)

Furthermore, it was ODIN who masterminded/planned all of the events that led to Thor gaining this power and overcoming the aforementioned beings. Odin KNEW his son's mortal traits would ultimately allow him to overcome the cycle of Ragnarok -- that's WHY he sent Thor to Earth as a mortal in the first place:
http://i.imgur.com/Skm1TvK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uX6jHv1.jpg

At this point, all the Thor faction *can* do is ignore on-panel evidence, in favor of their own preconceived opinions and such. Per on-panel evidence, the power differential between RKT and Odin was marginal at best. This notion that Thor was "FAR" or "WAY" or "TIERS" more powerful than Odin is entirely baseless, tbh -- it is literally supported by NO legitimate evidence. As I said earlier: this is a very strange phenomenon I've noticed in RKT threads as of late.

Originally posted by LGU
There is absolutely zero evidence that Thor was more powerful because of his experiences with humanity. At multiple points the text explicitly tells us that Thor's humanity made it impossible for TWSAIS to predict what Thor would do, as they could with every other god.

"TWSAIS: "We know all the outcomes, past, present and future."

Thor: "No! This time is different. My father saw a way to hide me from your manipulations. You have seen the strength of the Gods, but not of mortal men. I have lived as one of them and their ways flow through me."

TWSAIS: "Really? This could be interesting..."


Then later:

"You possessed something TWSAIS could not comprehend, and therefore could not foresee. Your knowledge of humanity, a gift from your father, shielded your true intentions from the shadow gods."

"Your singular experience as both god and man has set you apart. It gave you a human understanding of fate, of self-determination, of self-sacrifice. That knowledge, combined with the unyielding heroism of the gods, saved you."

"In the face of overwhelming odds, man will always fight, never back down nor surrender. Where the Asgardian gods embraced a singular, inevitable death - the Shadow gods trapped them in a never-ending cycle - your human experiences sought another way..."


Thor's humanity did NOT make him more powerful than Odin. It simply meant that he addressed challenges and sought solutions to problems in ways that no god did, which meant that TWSAIS had no clue what he was up to until it was too late to stop him. The text tells us this explicitly.


Cheers.

Yeah, I posted all of that already... It was ignored by most of the hardcore Thor faction. #Shocker

Originally posted by Cogito
...Except it was explicitly stated on panel that he's immune to magic

http://i.imgur.com/6mczu2B.jpg

Yup I have been saying it for years Rkt is more powerful than Odin but not by much

There's also that Roboto statement that RKT was magnified into the force rather than copy.

Originally posted by Mr Master


*** WHY didn't they attempt to stop Thor ***

Who cares how Thor was able to hide from their perceptions,
it's not like Thor broke the loom behind their backs from some undisclosed secret location

NO! ... Thor was in front of their faces, and he jobbed before acting.

------------------------------------------------

Only option here:

... you believe Thor was immune to both of them due to his "humanity" ... which is nonsense and false.
stoned

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yup I have been saying it for years Rkt is more powerful than Odin but not by much

Originally posted by Cogito
...Except it was explicitly stated on panel that he's immune to magic Not to the wed feats of magic. No limits fallacy as well. If someone is immune to heat do we conclude the sun won't hurt someone. Quit being ridiculous. Kal Kent wasn't impressive. Get over it.

I can understand the differing views hence the disconnect in the interpretations of the story. It was a bit vague(ish) in respect to the level of power Thor had finally reached. The story definitely makes a point out of Thor's time with humanity and how it helped him overcome these extremely powerful beings. But the way the Fates and Those Who Sit Above in Shadow capitulated without even a hint of defiance has to speak for something considering how powerful they're supposed to be.

Imo RKT > Odin. Was he way above? I don't think so. If Odin had to go against RKT, I think RKT would school him by a gud majority though.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Those Who Sit Above in Shadow give Loki NINE UniverseS at their entropic stage. (one being 616)

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scan of them giving him the nine worlds?



so....they frightened loki into obeying? they are more powerful than odin, sure, more than likely. how much more powerful? completely unknown.




soooo.....they used a time travel spell and banished him to the end of time? cool, and underhanded. sending loki time traveling is hardly some crazy-uber fate.....




power over universes? wut? last i checked you barely rated asgard as a pocket dimension, now you're making out their unsupported claim to be that they can simply control whole universes at will? wth is happening here? those above>>>>>eternity?? i can't believe what i'm reading here.

and thor WAS their doom--in stopping the cycle he prevented them from gaining any more power. i get into this more later, but as for why they didn't just drop in and stop him physically--maybe they're only uber in their own realm. maybe they simply aren't as powerful as they claim. or maybe they simply jobbed to rkt. they wouldn't be the first big-bad to job to a plot, they won't be the last. i mean what have they done on panel to prove they are as powerful as they claim? you've made clear your stance on narration as support recently, but you're willing to count THESE guys as super-uber because they said so?? if they had some feats to support it, sure. they quite literally have nothing to even hint at a level of power relative to the known higher powers..... how are they relative to galactus? impossible to say. how are they relative to really anyone? impossible to say.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Mangog? ... whatever. Loki, who was at-least Skyfatherish? Nice, but whatever.

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The fact that Thor was able to act against the Norn Fates says it all.

To the 3 sisters, (Norn Fates) even all-father Odin's existence ...

... is just a fragile "thread" that the Fates can snip at their leisure.

huh? proof they can cut threads at their leisure..... the fates have a job. they cut strings when it is time. they don't just say--meh, let's cut this or that string for sh!ts and giggles. they serve and uphold a purpose. you make it sound like they could grab galactus's string (if he has one) and snip it whenever they feel like it. and what makes you so sure ONLY they can cut the strings?



so, balder could have cut a string. if that's the case, why should anyone be impressed that rkt, with his hammer, was capable of cutting a string on the loom? the fates have great vision of alternate possibilities and futures. how does that translate into direct personal power?

that is likely true--or mostly true (being immune to some random's attack certainly doesn't prove the point though). they are the norse (and perhaps greek) manifestation of destiny, and hence are considered unavoidable/unstoppable because no one is supposed to transcend their fates. they represent a concept that can't (usually) be altered. thanos even mentions them when he's discussing his own history implying that despite all the power he's held, he was still, ultimately, directed by the fates. but that type of esoteric power doesn't translate to the type of personal power you seem to be hinting at or wanting us to accept. not imo anyway.



man, again, for someone who is so against narration, you seem to be all over it in this thread. you think they are literally 'the future'? wtf does that even mean? i mean eternity is literally the incarnation of time in marvel. if they are actually the future, eternity is what, past and present only?? they are obviously not speaking literally there. not sure how you or anyone could think otherwise.



bottom line: the fates weren't going to do anything about thor because the entire point of the arc was escaping destiny, ie, escaping his fate. the fates were given power by those above. thor had gone beyond their ability to manipulate, and hence was outside the fates ability to stop. thor broke the cycle. he changed not only his fate, but the fate of all of asgard and the nine worlds. they (the fates) literally had no more power over him because the combination of his godhood and humanity placed him outside their ability to affect. it has nothing to do with his being more powerful in direct relation to them--he flat out STATED, in black and white that he did NOT have the power to alter what has been written by the fates (been shown a ridiculous number of times, but......here, again):

http://imgur.com/QiuIiQo

not sure how much more clear something has to be. he was not more POWERFUL than fate--he was simply OUTSIDE its ability to influence. he even credits the fates themselves for part of his ability to do what he did:

http://i.imgur.com/dsqqC8C.jpg

"the virtue of heroes you planted in us is fully realized..."

in destroying the loom, he simply broke the cycle. he was wise enough to know HOW to end of the cycle because of ODIN's plan:

http://imgur.com/a/leMrC

and thor's own combination of godhood and humanity that placed him outside the ability of those above to predict or understand. he was hidden from the manipulations of those above BECAUSE of what odin did:

http://imgur.com/a/DXLDe

that is the entire point of everything that thor was--the reason for his godhood, the reason he was forced to live among men, the reason he had to die to gain the runes--all these things led to his ability to hide his intentions from those above, to ESCAPE the fates, and end the fate of all of asgard by finally breaking the cycle. his humanity even prevented the odinforce from understanding what he was going to do:

http://imgur.com/RNCqUZF

and here again the point is reiterated in the issue summary:

http://imgur.com/CYLYtoy

those above couldn't predict what he was going to do. they didn't view him as a threat until he had the string under his hammer--by then it was too late, he had done something they could not foresee and interfere with.

so, why didn't they just jump in at the end and have some huge battle with him? because that would have gone against the entire point of the story--the gods embraced the final battle and death, but thor's human experience sought victory by following the path of KNOWLEDGE, NOT battle. the ending of the story is a blatant parallel to the story as a whole.

it's not that he was more powerful than fate or those above. he may or may not have been. by what degree is impossible to say. the point is he used KNOWLEDGE, not power, to win the day. the story itself makes power comparisons...petty. attempting to ascertain a level to rkt is in many ways similar to discussing the power of the endless. neither story-type lends itself to these types of versus discussions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Elseworlds isn't canon. What I cited was. I win.

ALL of Mxy's appearances are CANON, Thanosi!

Always remember.....

NO ONE BEATS THE MIGHTY LOB!!!!!

I made your entire house abandon you and destroyed the house of el, does that count?

Originally posted by Cogito
Do you read skim look at pretty pictures only as far as you need to to feel that your opinion is validated? It outright stated that his humanity only made him unpredictable compared to the behavior of most Gods.




That's usually the case with thor fanboys.

I did some research on "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow" and learned they have very limited control outside their realm,
and THIS is why they were unable to stop Thor, or at-least even try.

Evidently, they manifested in the "Fates" locale, which is outside their realm.

That aside,
how they were able to give Loki the nine realms connected to the tree is apparently beyond comprehension then.

Yes! ... had Loki not tried to con his way into their favor,
the story goes,
they were going to give Loki control over the nine realms of the tree,
but, since Loki played himself,
they gave Loki what he wanted,
but, they gave Loki the nine realms nearing the end of their time in their entropic state.

Still bad ass. I guess back then they didn't have that limitation, or the writer just ignored that detail.

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Therefore, defeating and owning Asgard-Mangog empowered Loki with utter ease, is the feat to highlight.
The Fates unable to act against him in their own region is also juicy.

We know RKT was definitely > Odin ... just how much greater needs to be further examined.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
ALL of Mxy's appearances are CANON, Thanosi!

Always remember.....

NO ONE BEATS THE MIGHTY LOB!!!!! Then prove it. I saw your pitiful first post on this site. You sounded like you were ten years old. Nerd.

Originally posted by Kryptoniano
That's usually the case with thor fanboys.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it. I saw your pitiful first post on this site. You sounded like you were ten years old. Nerd.

I ALREADY did!

Mxy DESTROYING and RECREATING the MULTIVERSE on a whim. Then revealing he does it on a routine basis.

Defend your Rune King, peasant!

smh

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I ALREADY did!

Mxy DESTROYING and RECREATING the MULTIVERSE on a whim. Then revealing he does it on a routine basis.

Defend your Rune King, peasant! You saying it is canon isn't proving it. Your ignorance is appalling. Thor wins with a gesture. Beheadment fkr the doubleyaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
I did some research on "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow" and learned they have very limited control outside their realm,
and THIS is why they were unable to stop Thor, or at-least even try.

Evidently, they manifested in the "Fates" locale, which is outside their realm.

That aside,
how they were able to give Loki the nine realms connected to the tree is apparently beyond comprehension then.

Yes! ... had Loki not tried to con his way into their favor,
the story goes,
they were going to give Loki control over the nine realms of the tree,
but, since Loki played himself,
they gave Loki what he wanted,
but, they gave Loki the nine realms nearing the end of their time in their entropic state.

Still bad ass. I guess back then they didn't have that limitation, or the writer just ignored that detail.

-----------------------------------------------------

Therefore, defeating and owning Asgard-Mangog empowered Loki with utter ease, is the feat to highlight.
The Fates unable to act against him in their own region is also juicy.

We know RKT was definitely > Odin ... just how much greater needs to be further examined.
U may be right about TWSAIS. For all their implied power they bitched out against Loki in his recent series. But then again they went all vague again and even gave a flimsy suggestion that they may be Beyonders? It was weird as phuck.

It kinda gives credence to the whole Beyonders messin with lesser beings. Like It's all a game..