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1. Bane off venom
2. Bane on venom, Mr. X has a sword

Mr. X stomps even though I hate that hack character.

Bane wins, with ease. Pretty much like fighting classic Kingpin, he's almost impossible to put down normally.

1. X
2. Bane

X wins.

Bane punches a hole through him.

He won't even lay a hand on X.

Originally posted by carver9
He won't even lay a hand on X.

In a cage? Yeah, he will.

Just like Matt couldn't avoid Fisk forever in a vault. Hard to play keep away forever in a cage, eventually your back's against a wall. Environment matters.

Originally posted by Zack M
Bane punches a hole through him.

He wouldn't land a clean blow. Do you even know Mr. X or are you trolling hard?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He wouldn't land a clean blow. Do you even know Mr. X or are you trolling hard?

Do you know Bane?

Azrael, while he hopped up on venom and Bane was not, couldn't even stagger him with blows to the back and other vitals. Wore himself out just hitting Bane. He was playing a desperate game of "make the idiot fall off a cliff", rode him down 20-40 something stories into water, and Bane still got up and needed a finishing blow.

He's ripped the leg off a guy clad in power armor, absorbed bullets without noticing, ect.. All without the juice.

He's essentially DC's version of Wilson Fisk, a guy Mr. X could never hope to KO at classic levels.

Sure, Mr. X can dodge for awhile, while throwing out completely ineffective attacks while slowly being backed into the corner of the cage... Doesn't matter how good your precog is when there's no where to run.

mr x has been a punching bag since logan figured out he's a one trick pony. bane obliterates him

Mr. X stomps.

Originally posted by cdtm
In a cage? Yeah, he will.

Just like Matt couldn't avoid Fisk forever in a vault. Hard to play keep away forever in a cage, eventually your back's against a wall. Environment matters.

Task M couldn't even touch him and Logan struggle if not failed to touch him as well and had to go berserk to do it. Bane is no Logan when it comes to speed and Bane isn't laying a glove on him.

Originally posted by carver9
Task M couldn't even touch him and Logan struggle if not failed to touch him as well and had to go berserk to do it. Bane is no Logan when it comes to speed and Bane isn't laying a glove on him.

Taskmaster can't tank like Bane. In scenario 1, all Bane has to do is tank and move forward, untill Mr. X is trapped up against the cage. In scenario 2, he probably breaks the sword.

Originally posted by cdtm
Taskmaster can't tank like Bane. In scenario 1, all Bane has to do is tank and move forward, untill Mr. X is trapped up against the cage. In scenario 2, he probably breaks the sword.

Mr.x straight up dropped Logan with his fist and feet. Bane is NOT tanking X punches. At all. Like I've said before, X kills him. Mr. X dropping Logan proves that he will outright destroy Bane.

Originally posted by cdtm
Taskmaster can't tank like Bane. In scenario 1, all Bane has to do is tank and move forward, untill Mr. X is trapped up against the cage. In scenario 2, he probably breaks the sword.


X was running off that new villian of the month hype...once his character was fleshed out..game over

Logan admits he couldn't touch X.

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Here he drops Logan...

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Do I need to post him slapping bullets out of the air?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
X was running off that new villian of the month hype...once his character was fleshed out..game over

Who did he lose to besides Quick Silver (who would also stomp Bane)?

Bane just overpowers him physically.

Originally posted by carver9
Who did he lose to besides Quick Silver (who would also stomp Bane)?


danny...natasha...wade...I vaguely remember him loosin to mk. but I could be mistaken

Slapping bullets in the air? Not really impressive. Both Katana and rose Wilson has done that.

This thread needs scans

Originally posted by Zack M
Slapping bullets in the air? Not really impressive. Both Katana and rose Wilson has done that.

It's still a speed ft but majority of his showings come from him outright avoiding Logan with ease and treating Mr.X like fodder. Nothing goes against him losing this fight.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
danny...natasha...wade...I vaguely remember him loosin to mk. but I could be mistaken

Ironfist hit him in the throat and that was it. I wouldn't consider that a fight.

Lol...Mr.X treated Natasha and her team like fodder. I highly disagree with what you're saying here. She even admits fighting him is death.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
This thread needs scans Highly doubt that would help either side

Originally posted by carver9
It's still a speed ft but majority of his showings come from him outright avoiding Logan with ease and treating Mr.X like fodder. Nothing goes against him losing this fight.

A speed feat that's not impressive. Bane is meta human without venom. With venom, Bane wins.

hmmm...cho threw him off his game, piotr owned him. I fel like im forgetting more...songbird...who else

Originally posted by carver9
Ironfist hit him in the throat and that was it. I wouldn't consider that a fight.

Lol...Mr.X treated Natasha and her team like fodder. I highly disagree with what you're saying here. She even admits fighting him is death.

danny one shot him after immediately adapting to his tp. gtfoh

Originally posted by Sin I AM
danny one shot him after immediately adapting to his tp. gtfoh

Danny chopped him in the throat and dipped out afterwards. Thats nothing.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
hmmm...cho threw him off his game, piotr owned him. I fel like im forgetting more...songbird...who else

Treated her like fodder.

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Obviously toying with them and could've killed them anytime he wanted.

Logically, Mr X should beat basically any street martial artist, even without weapons. I certainly don't see how Bane wins if Mr. X has swords.

Originally posted by carver9
Treated her like fodder.

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Obviously toying with them and could've killed them anytime he wanted.

Weren't they playing possum that fight

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Weren't they playing possum that fight

I doubt it.

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If anyone was toying around, it was X.

Originally posted by carver9
I doubt it.

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If anyone was toying around, it was X.

Y do u post irrelevance? That scan didnt say anything u cant read in a bio.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y do u post irrelevance? That scan didnt say anything u cant read in a bio.

You asked if they were playing possum. Why would they play possum against someone they deem as this deadly? It's dumb. That's like Hulk getting a full bio on Doomsday but approaching the fight as Bruce Banner. WTF. Maybe you see things a little different but if I received full information on everything about Jet Li, I sure as hell will not try to fight him without a weapon and that weapon would have to be a gun. Keep trying though sin.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Logically, Mr X should beat basically any street martial artist, even without weapons. I certainly don't see how Bane wins if Mr. X has swords.

Bane is above street level.

Is X's physical domination of Wolverine his average?

What I mean is, what is his strength level?

Human.

The whole bulletblocking thing is even inconsistent with the power description they provided in the same issue.

It doesn't contradict it.

He read the bullets' minds.

At any rate I think Bane loses this.

He'll have a hard time landing any punches.

In a steel cage? You think he won't eventually corner X and just start punching him? He's got pretty good durability.

With swords, I give it to X.

Mr. X is not faster than Bane, I see people are confusing his low level tp with speed. Mr. X has only has peak human stats, Bane has metahuman stats even off of venom now.

I see this going like Luke Cage vs Mr. X. All it took was one punch for Luke to ko him, and that was after (second scan) a mind-controlled Iron Fist gave Luke a beating.

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Originally posted by carver9
Danny chopped him in the throat and dipped out afterwards. Thats nothing.

lol Either way more than nothing, or nothing supports your position. Mr. X gets a clean ambush shot on Danny resulting in very little damage. Mr. X blocks a kick then Danny takes him out with one hit. Danny goes on immediately to evade Scourge's automatic gunfire and attempt to attack Norman. But the intangible and invisible Ghost was there, and after dropping him Headsman takes out Danny. Mr. X is not seen again until the fight is completely over.

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Remender has shat on the entire T-Bolts team in that issue - he was probably forced by some editor to write it, because they were still looking for a regular writer after Diggle left the book, I guess.

Anyway, you want speed, X has shown it --- deflecting Widow's bullets fired from dual pistols or in the fight with Taskmaster you posted in the OP.

Surely its aim dodging if he's using precog?

He was spinning his swords so fast, they blocked the repeated gunfire from Widow. That's not aim-dodging.

Just in case you were serious, can't tell anymore haermm

Originally posted by Sin I AM
X was running off that new villian of the month hype...once his character was fleshed out..game over


This is the second time you've used that ridiculous argument. It's not hype and his power set didn't change. Mr. X proved he is fully capable of hurting meta humans and also anticipate and dodge anything up to low level super speed.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Mr. X is not faster than Bane, I see people are confusing his low level tp with speed. Mr. X has only has peak human stats, Bane has metahuman stats even off of venom now.

I see this going like Luke Cage vs Mr. X. All it took was one punch for Luke to ko him, and that was after (second scan) a mind-controlled Iron Fist gave Luke a beating.

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lol Either way more than nothing, or nothing supports your position. Mr. X gets a clean ambush shot on Danny resulting in very little damage. Mr. X blocks a kick then Danny takes him out with one hit. Danny goes on immediately to evade Scourge's automatic gunfire and attempt to attack Norman. But the intangible and invisible Ghost was there, and after dropping him Headsman takes out Danny. Mr. X is not seen again until the fight is completely over.

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I love when people post scan they don't read and assume they support their argument. Danny explained to you why he got all of ONE hit off of Mr. X using his drunken style which Mr. X couldn't anticipate. This has been done countless times in comics and film and goes back to Jackie Chan's 1978 film Drunken Master. Bane can't do what Danny can do, so it's pretty foolish for you to bring that up.

Using that T-Bolts run... a nice example of how X/Bane fight could go was X's fight with Nuke (masquerading as Scourge at the time)... both got their licks in.

One could argue Nuke is superior to Bane though, at the very least to venomless version.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Mr. X is not faster than Bane, I see people are confusing his low level tp with speed. Mr. X has only has peak human stats, Bane has metahuman stats even off of venom now.

I see this going like Luke Cage vs Mr. X. All it took was one punch for Luke to ko him, and that was after (second scan) a mind-controlled Iron Fist gave Luke a beating.

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lol Either way more than nothing, or nothing supports your position. Mr. X gets a clean ambush shot on Danny resulting in very little damage. Mr. X blocks a kick then Danny takes him out with one hit. Danny goes on immediately to evade Scourge's automatic gunfire and attempt to attack Norman. But the intangible and invisible Ghost was there, and after dropping him Headsman takes out Danny. Mr. X is not seen again until the fight is completely over.

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I love when people post scan they don't read and assume they support their argument. Danny explained to you why he got all of ONE hit off of Mr. X using his drunken style which Mr. X couldn't anticipate. This has been done countless times in comics and goes back to Jackie Chan's 1978 film Drunken Master. Bane can't do what Danny can do, so it's pretty foolish for you to bring that up. Also with Luke Cage, you fail to mention the text in which Mr. X makes it clear that he can't read Cage's scrambled mind. Cage would have never touched him otherwise. Also, Cage SHOULD K.O. Mr. X with a clean blow.

Bane ain't touching Mr. X, period. There is no plot device to prevent Mr. X's powers from working on him.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
This is the second time you've used that ridiculous argument. It's not hype and his power set didn't change. Mr. X proved he is fully capable of hurting meta humans and also anticipate and dodge anything up to low level super speed.

Ridiculous? It's an actual trope son. Read more comics.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I love when people post scan they don't read and assume they support their argument. Danny explained to you why he got all of ONE hit off of Mr. X using his drunken style which Mr. X couldn't anticipate. This has been done countless times in comics and film and goes back to Jackie Chan's 1978 film Drunken Master. Bane can't do what Danny can do, so it's pretty foolish for you to bring that up.

So basically unless X is reading his opponents mind he's a subpar ma. 👍

There's no evidence he was koed. None at all. I don't know what he was expecting X to do as fter that karate chop and Danny sprinting off. I guess he thought X would somehow teleport in front of Danny or something.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ridiculous? It's an actual trope son. Read more comics.



So basically unless X is reading his opponents mind he's a subpar ma. 👍

He knows every fighting style on the planet including the Skrull and Shiar fighting moves as well.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So basically unless X is reading his opponents mind he's a subpar ma. 👍

He trained himself to become better and overcame that weakness.

See Mr X one-shot and his guest appearance in the DP Team-up issue.

Yet anytime his tp is overcome he's easily beaten? He's a top tier MA as long as he can mind read?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yet anytime his tp is overcome he's easily beaten? He's a top tier MA as long as he can mind read?

You're still thinking about that one issue. That doesn't automatically negate all of his other appearances.

I'm not seeing one scan that was posted of him being beaten.

Hey carv.

Can I take Bane's highest showings WITHOUT Venom, add Venom (which allowed Batman to bloody Superman), then draw a line and use that as showings for Venomed up Bane?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing one scan that was posted of him being beaten.

Someone already posted his one shot by daniel and casual tossing by cage. Im not exercising redundancy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're still thinking about that one issue. That doesn't automatically negate all of his other appearances.

Can u prove otherwise?

Carver you are making a mistake and getting drugged into defending mister x as a martial artist without his main powers. the thing is both danny and luke cage had to use plot device situation in order to overcome his abilities. facts are for this fight he can use his powers without something preventing it. so IMO he will destroy in both fights. giving him swords is an overkill. he will just know exatly when bane is trying to punch and cut his arm off. bane cant win in this fight. unless bane suddenly is as fast as quicksilver...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Can u prove otherwise?

Well, yeah. As I said before.

His training with the wild animals has proven enough for Wolverine to reconsider his approach and give up instead of going berserk. Deadpool hoped his insanity would be a triumph card against X, he found out he was wrong.

He probably had trouble reading Nuke, too - but was still going toe to toe with him... despite Nuke's cybernetic enhancements of all kinds... in pure h2h.

So again..

How strong is X? Yes, agree, he is faster, skilled, and will know what Bane will do.

But Bane does have insane damage soak....almost Punisher level. In an enclosed space, he will eventually corner X, whilst soaking up the hits.

Assuming of course, X isn't on average doing what Hulk et al have been unable to do, and KOing Wolvy.

The moment Mr. X cannot read someone (for whatever reason) he turns weak and slow and stupid and skilless. So, if the venom can block X from reading Bane then Bane stomps. Otherwise Mr. X takes it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again..

How strong is X? Yes, agree, he is faster, skilled, and will know what Bane will do.

But Bane does have insane damage soak....almost Punisher level. In an enclosed space, he will eventually corner X, whilst soaking up the hits.

Assuming of course, X isn't on average doing what Hulk et al have been unable to do, and KOing Wolvy.

mister x defeated task master in a cage thats his thing fighting in cages and closed spaces. by now as the champion of cage fighting we can asume he knows perfectly how to combine his powers with his kingdom. aside of that there is the fact he owned wolverine hard as well as black widow while fighting other opponents and was getting gun fire shot at him. in the first fight i am sure he can take bane down considering he had no trouble ko wolverine. he is a martial artist after all and knows pressure points and things there is no reason for them to not work on bane without venom. bane with venom is a different story however mister x got a sword. bane will be chopped.

So....no proof then?

Bane has insane damage soak. Far more than Tasky, who is a known coward. More than Widow.

Not more than Wolverine, which is why I asked. If the various Hulks and Juggys and Things etc haven't been able to KO him, I call PIS on him KOing Wolvy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey carv.

Can I take Bane's highest showings WITHOUT Venom, add Venom (which allowed Batman to bloody Superman), then draw a line and use that as showings for Venomed up Bane?

I'm not stopping you from doing that. If you want to, you can.

Would you agree with it, and concede, then? Or would you continue to debate?

I always continue debating, no matter what.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....no proof then?

Bane has insane damage soak. Far more than Tasky, who is a known coward. More than Widow.

Not more than Wolverine, which is why I asked. If the various Hulks and Juggys and Things etc haven't been able to KO him, I call PIS on him KOing Wolvy.

what proof? are you trying to claim bane without venom cant be taken out by mister x? i am sorry what special durability feats does bane without the venom has to suggest that? all i need is to point out mister x took wolverine out and it will be enough. wolverine >>> bane without venom as far as durability and damage soak. he fought wolverine in a cage and was standing on his place and was avoiding wolverines hits. wana compare feats of fighting speed between wolverine and bane without venom? mister x was inflicting damage on nuke who is a walking terminator with super human durability and bullet proof skin. you trying to suggest bane without venom wont get hurt by mister x is just wierd and will need some feats to support his new found super durability...

New 52 Bane is like 20 times stronger than Wolverine.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I love when people post scan they don't read and assume they support their argument. Danny explained to you why he got all of ONE hit off of Mr. X using his drunken style which Mr. X couldn't anticipate. This has been done countless times in comics and film and goes back to Jackie Chan's 1978 film Drunken Master. Bane can't do what Danny can do, so it's pretty foolish for you to bring that up.

And I love it when people assume that someone who posted the scan didn't read the scan or the whole issue or the whole arc. There are more than one way to bypass low level tp, Bane learned meditation techniques in prison and mind reading resistance going back to the early appearances. Plus with venom he can achieved a beserker rage similar to what Wolverine used to be X in the rematch.

But the most important thing is that Bane punches hard as crap, Mr. X can know something is coming and still not be able to block or counter effectively. Bane can still do sufficient damage through an attempted block. Look how effortlessly Cage caught his swords and that was after Paladin hit him with a brain scrambling weapon that was design to get pass his durability.

Mr. X simply doesn't posses the durability to stand up to Bane.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Remender has shat on the entire T-Bolts team in that issue - he was probably forced by some editor to write it, because they were still looking for a regular writer after Diggle left the book, I guess.

Anyway, you want speed, X has shown it --- deflecting Widow's bullets fired from dual pistols or in the fight with Taskmaster you posted in the OP.

With streetlevers I don't know why people bring up bullet timing feats. Elektra has sliced Widow's bullets in half with just her sai. Shang Chi, Daredevil, Cap America has all redirected/dodged bullets after they were fired. That doesn't mean other streetlevers can't touch them. Bane has outreacted to gunfire and used a fired bullet to break free of handcuffs. For the most part all street levelers will get hits on each other. Batman has a ridiculous amount of bullet timing/aim dodging deflecting bullets with batarangs and such yet Bane even off of venom has no probably getting hits in on him.

Taskmaster is a good feat for Mr. X, yet he has been hit by Iron Fist and Luke Cage, so was Tasky jobbing or is that Mr. X's normal speed. I would argue the first seeing how Tasky has beaten Elektra and performed well against Cap before.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, yeah. As I said before.

His training with the wild animals has proven enough for Wolverine to reconsider his approach and give up instead of going berserk. Deadpool hoped his insanity would be a triumph card against X, he found out he was wrong.

He probably had trouble reading Nuke, too - but was still going toe to toe with him... despite Nuke's cybernetic enhancements of all kinds... in pure h2h.

Naw. Not seeing it. Good point though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again..

How strong is X? Yes, agree, he is faster, skilled, and will know what Bane will do.

But Bane does have insane damage soak....almost Punisher level. In an enclosed space, he will eventually corner X, whilst soaking up the hits.

Assuming of course, X isn't on average doing what Hulk et al have been unable to do, and KOing Wolvy.


What are you not getting? He is as strong as he has shown to be in combat with beings with enhanced strength. You keep talking about Banes damage soak like it's some sort of Trump card. Well how do you thing his damage soak compares to Wolverine? Speaking of Logan, his combat speed and all around speed dwarfs Banes and Mr. X DOMINATED Logan. Your math doesn't add up.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ridiculous? It's an actual trope son. Read more comics.



So basically unless X is reading his opponents mind he's a subpar ma. 👍


Wrong son, that's your own bankrupt logic. Don't tell me to read comics when you cant even seem to reference comic book showings. "Hype" is not a showing and it belongs no where in this debate, son.

Originally posted by Dareangel
Carver you are making a mistake and getting drugged into defending mister x as a martial artist without his main powers. the thing is both danny and luke cage had to use plot device situation in order to overcome his abilities. facts are for this fight he can use his powers without something preventing it. so IMO he will destroy in both fights. giving him swords is an overkill. he will just know exatly when bane is trying to punch and cut his arm off. bane cant win in this fight. unless bane suddenly is as fast as quicksilver...


Exactly, well said as I pointed out earlier. Without the introduction of a plot device, Bane has NO COUNTER for X and these Bane fans will have to accept that fact. Once again for the record, I hate this cheese ball character and I'd be happy if he died 5 seconds from now, but his powers are what they are and Banes are what they are. With these stips, Mr. X beats him 10/10.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What are you not getting? He is as strong as he has shown to be in combat with beings with enhanced strength. You keep talking about Banes damage soak like it's some sort of Trump card. Well how do you thing his damage soak compares to Wolverine? Speaking of Logan, his combat speed and all around speed dwarfs Banes and Mr. X DOMINATED Logan. Your math doesn't add up.

So X hits harder than Thing, Juggernaut, Hulk et al?

Seeing as NONE of them have been able to consistently put Wolverine down.

Yet, X can.

So you tell me how does the math add up. X hits harder than almost every brick in Marvel?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Once again for the record, I hate this cheese ball character and I'd be happy if he died 5 seconds from now, but his powers are what they are and Banes are what they are. With these stips, Mr. X beats him 10/10.


you might hate the character, but he's still Marvel. Am I right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey carv.

Can I take Bane's highest showings WITHOUT Venom, add Venom (which allowed Batman to bloody Superman), then draw a line and use that as showings for Venomed up Bane?

I think Bane fought Killer Croc without venom and broke his arm. Not sure if that's his highest showing.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong son, that's your own bankrupt logic. Don't tell me to read comics when you cant even seem to reference comic book showings. "Hype" is not a showing and it belongs no where in this debate, son.

I must've struck a nerve. My point stands. It's a trope. Whenever a new big villain shows up in order to establish how bad ass he is he curbs an already established villain. Take Rulk for example. For absolutely no reason at all he killed Blonsky just for writers to prove he's not to be phucked with. Same goes for Mr. X with Taskmaster, onslaught wayyy before the writers even hashed out who or what he was beat the hell out of Marko and punted him...i could go on

Its plot armor that degradea over time which is y Ross can one shot a watcher yet get choked out by Wonder Man. Damn noobs

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So X hits harder than Thing, Juggernaut, Hulk et al?

Seeing as NONE of them have been able to consistently put Wolverine down.

Yet, X can.

So you tell me how does the math add up. X hits harder than almost every brick in Marvel?

X put down Wolverine, that's what we are talking about. He dominated him and Bane is no Wolverine. You are throwing up side arguments instead of respecting the point I made based on a canonical showing. You can't chose not to accept what occurred.

So back to my counter point, Banes damage soak won't save him from X just as Wolverines far superior damage soak didn't save him from X. And other reason why Bane would survive Mr. X? Bane has no berserker rage, insanity or drunken style plot device.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
X put down Wolverine, that's what we are talking about. He dominated him and Bane is no Wolverine. You are throwing up side arguments instead of respecting the point I made based on a canonical showing. You can't chose not to accept what occurred.

I dunno Wolverine can fight like an idiot sometimes.

Aside from that one Thunderbolts issue, X has been a beast.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I must've struck a nerve. My point stands. It's a trope. Whenever a new big villain shows up in order to establish how bad ass he is he curbs an already established villain. Take Rulk for example. For absolutely no reason at all he killed Blonsky just for writers to prove he's not to be phucked with. Same goes for Mr. X with Taskmaster, onslaught wayyy before the writers even hashed out who or what he was beat the hell out of Marko and punted him...i could go on

Its plot armor that degradea over time which is y Ross can one shot a watcher yet get choked out by Wonder Man. Damn noobs



Yeah, you wish. It doesn't matter whether it's a trope or not because it's completely irrelevant. And furthermore, Rulk actually had an uber power at his onset, high level power absorption, which you'd know if you read comics. He lost that power and he isn't as formidable. Mr. X has had no such power loss, in fact, he has worked to improve his skill to overcome some counters. Not that Bane had and counters to begin with.

Do you have an actual reason you want to present as to why Bane could even land a blow on Mr. X let alone defeat him?

Originally posted by Deadline
I dunno Wolverine can fight like an idiot sometimes.

So what are you saying, the only reason he completed dominated Wolverine is because Wolverine fought stupidly in your opinion?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
X put down Wolverine, that's what we are talking about. He dominated him and Bane is no Wolverine. You are throwing up side arguments instead of respecting the point I made based on a canonical showing. You can't chose not to accept what occurred.

So, PIS then. Thought so. Yes, we can ignore it if it is PIS. X KOing Wolverine when almost every other brick has been unable to - when Wolverine has even survived being decapitated, and flayed down to his bones etc....is PIS.

All righty, so I've been asked to show Bane's durability. At first, I thought I'd do nu52 Bane - but OP showed pre-52. OK.

WITH Venom, Bane has tanked Batman's attacks. So what? Well, Batman had Superman's powers at the time. So Batman's skills at punching + Superman's powers, failed to KO Bane:
http://imgur.com/zlJIxbM

WITHOUT, he has taken ~500 bricks being smashed into his face and body, by a superstrong villain:
http://imgur.com/5u8AN6c
http://imgur.com/aZkSJ3P
http://imgur.com/pbpchOS

WITHOUT, Nightshade was unable to put him down, even when using pressure point attacks:
http://imgur.com/gyGzoRc
http://imgur.com/Z5a7EDX

WITHOUT Venom, he was fighting Azrael, himself a superstrong, highly skilled fighter, who was AMPED on Venom...and Azrael was still losing. Note too, that punching an unamped Bane is like punching concrete:
http://imgur.com/oYsLt0c
http://imgur.com/g8nY8cD

Speaking of concrete, here he is, OFF Venom, being smashed repeatedly into concrete so hard, he's breaking it. By Grendel, a WW foe. Doesn't KO him:
http://i.imgur.com/wrZkHLL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qblLHPS.jpg

WITHOUT Venom, he was thrown a really far distance, and wasn't killed:
http://imgur.com/a/7Lqdg

He also routinely gets shot and stabbed, without any pause:

And breaks metal collars designed to kill him:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TDkjWc9NWaI/AAAAAAAAN2o/fTuuctvn36o/s1600/Secret+Six+23+-+bane1.jpg

He def isn't human level in his durability.

Strength wise? WITHOUT Venom, he rips a guy's arm off (whilst said guy is wearing powered armour) and beats him to death:
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679896-secretsix23012.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679892-secretsix23020.jpg

There are other feats, but this should be enough for now. He's also been so fast, he's snuck up on Batman, Tim Drake, blitzed guys before they've had a chance to shoot...

IOW, X is faster. Has the precog. Bane has been shot and stabbed, multiple times, and he just keeps coming. Here, he is shot in the shoulder, then uses the exact same arm to casually break a guy's arm, one handed.

Without Venom.:
http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2382881-4.jpg

Originally posted by Dareangel
Carver you are making a mistake and getting drugged into defending mister x as a martial artist without his main powers. the thing is both danny and luke cage had to use plot device situation in order to overcome his abilities. facts are for this fight he can use his powers without something preventing it. so IMO he will destroy in both fights. giving him swords is an overkill. he will just know exatly when bane is trying to punch and cut his arm off. bane cant win in this fight. unless bane suddenly is as fast as quicksilver...

It's a cage.

Put them in an open field, and sure, Mr. X could dodge all day. In a cage, dodging is limited to the edges of the arena.

It's how Steel Serpent beat Spider-man, by boxing him into a mesh fence. Precog or no precog, Peter simply didn't have anywhere else to go.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
X put down Wolverine, that's what we are talking about. He dominated him and Bane is no Wolverine. You are throwing up side arguments instead of respecting the point I made based on a canonical showing. You can't chose not to accept what occurred.

So back to my counter point, Banes damage soak won't save him from X just as Wolverines far superior damage soak didn't save him from X. And other reason why Bane would survive Mr. X? Bane has no berserker rage, insanity or drunken style plot device.

Logan has better damage soak due to healing factor + adamantium. He's still about as easy to stagger as any street leveler.

Using Wilson Fisk as an example again, he just stood there while Matt wore himself out beating on his head with the club, and then KO'd him. Logan won't do that.. He'll stagger, just like anyone else, and could be put down from an extended beating (Depends on the writer, of course.)

Bane's more like Fisk in damage soak.. He can just stand there and take a beating, without reacting at all, as if you're hitting a wall.

Originally posted by cdtm
Logan has better damage soak due to healing factor + adamantium. He's still about as easy to stagger as any street leveler.

Using Wilson Fisk as an example again, he just stood there while Matt wore himself out beating on his head with the club, and then KO'd him. Logan won't do that.. He'll stagger, just like anyone else, and could be put down from an extended beating (Depends on the writer, of course.)

Bane's more like Fisk in damage soak.. He can just stand there and take a beating, without reacting at all, as if you're hitting a wall.

This actually convinced me.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So what are you saying, the only reason he completed dominated Wolverine is because Wolverine fought stupidly in your opinion?

I can't say for sure I'm saying it's possible. Wolverine has a tendency to fight like a skilled brawler then sometimes go on martial art mode.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, PIS then. Thought so. Yes, we can ignore it if it is PIS. X KOing Wolverine when almost every other brick has been unable to - when Wolverine has even survived being decapitated, and flayed down to his bones etc....is PIS.

All righty, so I've been asked to show Bane's durability. At first, I thought I'd do nu52 Bane - but OP showed pre-52. OK.

WITH Venom, Bane has tanked Batman's attacks. So what? Well, Batman had Superman's powers at the time. So Batman's skills at punching + Superman's powers, failed to KO Bane:
http://imgur.com/zlJIxbM

WITHOUT, he has taken ~500 bricks being smashed into his face and body, by a superstrong villain:
http://imgur.com/5u8AN6c
http://imgur.com/aZkSJ3P
http://imgur.com/pbpchOS

WITHOUT, Nightshade was unable to put him down, even when using pressure point attacks:
http://imgur.com/gyGzoRc
http://imgur.com/Z5a7EDX

WITHOUT Venom, he was fighting Azrael, himself a superstrong, highly skilled fighter, who was AMPED on Venom...and Azrael was still losing. Note too, that punching an unamped Bane is like punching concrete:
http://imgur.com/oYsLt0c
http://imgur.com/g8nY8cD

Speaking of concrete, here he is, OFF Venom, being smashed repeatedly into concrete so hard, he's breaking it. By Grendel, a WW foe. Doesn't KO him:
http://i.imgur.com/wrZkHLL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qblLHPS.jpg

WITHOUT Venom, he was thrown a really far distance, and wasn't killed:
http://imgur.com/a/7Lqdg

He also routinely gets shot and stabbed, without any pause:

And breaks metal collars designed to kill him:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TDkjWc9NWaI/AAAAAAAAN2o/fTuuctvn36o/s1600/Secret+Six+23+-+bane1.jpg

He def isn't human level in his durability.

Strength wise? WITHOUT Venom, he rips a guy's arm off (whilst said guy is wearing powered armour) and beats him to death:
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679896-secretsix23012.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679892-secretsix23020.jpg

There are other feats, but this should be enough for now. He's also been so fast, he's snuck up on Batman, Tim Drake, blitzed guys before they've had a chance to shoot...

IOW, X is faster. Has the precog. Bane has been shot and stabbed, multiple times, and he just keeps coming. Here, he is shot in the shoulder, then uses the exact same arm to casually break a guy's arm, one handed.

Without Venom.:
http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2382881-4.jpg

He's a ringer, no different than Wilson Fisk or Crossbones. Doesn't mean Mr. X couldn't K.O. or kill him. And guess who else has ringer durability? Mr. X. There is no was on earth a human could get kicked in the sternum by Luke Cage who has at least class 50 strength and steel hard skin to the level he is flying through themail air and survive just fine. Bane has no durability edge over Mr. X based on what each has shown. And please don't tell me Bane is more durable than Nuke, Wolverine or Deadpool. Don't do that.

Bane has counter for Mr. X's pre-cog which means he's going to be taking a beating the entire time while Mr. X is fresh and even if he slips one in, Mr. X can take it.

Also in your zest to give Bane the win, you substituted a bad of cement for concrete. They aren't the same thing. Also, you said Grendel repeated broke concrete slamming him around, but the pic shows one instance only.

Yeah - it's not just his durability, but also his insane pain endurance. He isn't even phased when stabbed or shot - nothing puts him off. He's like a juggernaut in that respect.

And in a cage, with limited options for running away - he will corner him, and he will beat him.

With swords, however, he'll just stab him through the heart.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He's a ringer, no different than Wilson Fisk or Crossbones. Doesn't mean Mr. X couldn't K.O. or kill him. And guess who else has ringer durability? Mr. X. There is no was on earth a human could get kicked in the sternum by Luke Cage who has at least class 50 strength and steel hard skin to the level he is flying through themail air and survive just fine. Bane has no durability edge over Mr. X based on what each has shown. And please don't tell me Bane is more durable than Nuke, Wolverine or Deadpool. Don't do that.

Bane has counter for Mr. X's pre-cog which means he's going to be taking a beating the entire time while Mr. X is fresh and even if he slips one in, Mr. X can take it.

We cannot ignore the showings, so use whatever terms you like, he still wasn't KOed in the showings I posted.

You act as though Luke kicks humans so hard their spines bust out. As if Luke has no practice with his powers, and does not hold back every time he fights.

Edit: I mean, X weighs what, 155lbs? How difficult would it be for Luke, with his Class 50 strength, to send him flying?

Originally posted by Deadline
I can't say for sure I'm saying it's possible. Wolverine has a tendency to fight like a skilled brawler then sometimes go on martial art mode.


I get that, but how does that change anything? Whether he brawled or used martial arts, Mr. X used his powers to defeat Logan. And Logan's skill level at his best isn't on part with Ironfisttbolts.jpg.html and Ironfist needed had to use his drunken style to counter Mr. X to tag him. The win vs. Logan is 100% legit.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I get that, but how does that change anything? Whether he brawled or used martial arts, Mr. X used his powers to defeat Logan. And Logan's skill level at his best isn't on part with Ironfisttbolts.jpg.html and Ironfist needed had to use his drunken style to counter Mr. X to tag him. The win vs. Logan is 100% legit.

Good point but guess maybe there are better examples after all both Punisher and DD have humiliated Woolverine. Ok they're low showings but not entirely unrealistic.

You never change, Phantom Seriously, after all these years...

^It's true though. Wolverine gets shot, stabbed and blown up all the time is it a surprise that sometimes he gets dominated? During EOTS DD was fighting Wolverine and hand ninjas, not sue the mind control made him much less formidable.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We cannot ignore the showings, so use whatever terms you like, he still wasn't KOed in the showings I posted.

You act as though Luke kicks humans so hard their spines bust out. As if Luke has no practice with his powers, and does not hold back every time he fights.


He kicked him hard enough to send him flying through the air as if he was a pedestrian hit by a car, that's what the pic shows. ANY normal human would be injured.

And why did you make the comment about ignoring showings? Who's ignoring showings, that is, beside you with respect to how hard Cage kicked Mr. X? And why are YOU ignoring the fact that I said Bane (as well as Mr. X) is a ringer? You didn't have to sell me on durability showings because I never once claimed he wasn't durable. No matter what you claim, he's not more durable than several of the characters Mr. X has beaten in rather casual fashion.

Ringer strength and durability and great combat skill is what Bane has. Well so does Mr. X along with a precog/speed proven formidable to counter and often defeat true enhanced humans. Mr. X would likely beat Bane with Venom in the second scenario.

During the time Wolverine fought X, he had some of his best durability showings during that story. The guy was walking through bullets while being shot in the face and walking through flames, etc...

The writer knew full well about Wolverine durability and still allowed X to Ko him. Shitty showing is one thing but when a character have some of his best durability showings and still get curbed, that speaks volumes.

Originally posted by Deadline
^It's true though. Wolverine gets shot, stabbed and blown up all the time is it a surprise that sometimes he gets dominated? During EOTS DD was fighting Wolverine and hand ninjas, not sue the mind control made him much less formidable.

And Wolverine was fighting mindcontrol - stated on panel in the very same issue - and missing a portion of his soul!

The spirits of jinzin, srank and battlehammer are within me. I could slap you back into oblivion... but I won't. I'm glad you're back with us, the kmc veterans... ah, the nostalgia.

Did you know that Raz isn't even the owner of the site anymore, apparently? haermm It's a minor miracle this place still exists.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Wolverine was fighting mindcontrol - stated on panel in the very same issue - and missing a portion of his soul!

The spirits of jinzin, srank and battlehammer are within me. I could slap you back into oblivion... but I won't. I'm glad you're back with us, the kmc veterans... ah, the nostalgia.

Did you know that Raz isn't even the owner of the site anymore, apparently? haermm It's a minor miracle this place still exists.

Yea I mentioned he was mindcontrolled, my point was that I don't think it made any difference. Oh yea forgot about portion of soul missing thing not sure how far back that went. Anyway my point isn't that it's not impressive, my point is Wolverine can be dodgey sometimes. Oh you're being funny kinda, sry doing stuff and got things on my mind. Yea those days were crazy.

Don't know anything about that.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I mentioned he was mindcontrolled, my point was that I don't think it made any difference. Oh yea forgot about portion of soul missing thing not sure how far back that went. Anyway my point isn't that it's not impressive, my point is Wolverine can be dodgey sometimes. Oh you're being funny kinda, sry doing stuff and got things on my mind. Yea those days were crazy.

He did mention fighting it, though. Right after the DD fight, when the mind-control got broken. Another example of him resisting it we see in his fight with the Thing... when he considers losing to Ben, so it can be "all over", but other voices in his brain take control...

Tieri's Wolverine did use skill. So it's not like he wasn't trying against X. His HF was far from being at its prime when he got KO'd, though, having gone through a lot of shit.

Originally posted by Deadline
Don't know anything about that.

That's the problem. Nobody knows a thing. Raz made Ush a co-admin, but it's just a title; no actual forum powers. There have been many glitches since the last server move, of course they're still not fixed and it's not likely that'll ever happen.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did mention fighting it, though. Right after the DD fight, when the mind-control got broken. Another example of him resisting it we see in his fight with the Thing... when he considers losing to Ben, so it can be "all over", but other voices in his brain take control...

Tieri's Wolverine did use skill. So it's not like he wasn't trying against X. His HF was far from being at its prime when he got KO'd, though, having gone through a lot of shit.


Gimmie a break haven't read it in ages. Anyway I think I've read at least two characters saying that his HF makes him sloppy. Think the characters were Crossbones and Angel (after Wolverine got beaten by some were wolves). Like I'm saying if you can't be bothered to dodge it's going to affect your skill.

I'm sure he does use skill I'm just saying he's not always like that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

That's the problem. Nobody knows a thing. Raz made Ush a co-admin, but it's just a title; no actual forum powers. There have been many glitches since the last server move, of course they're still not fixed and it's not likely that'll ever happen.

Sorry to hear that, does seem a little dead. Hate to say this but I'm not sure if I'm gonna be back for long.

Hey, good that you're at least dropping by. Some guys have disappeared completely.

Have you watched Luke Cage on netflix? Still need to see it. Apparently a success, much like other Marvel shows.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Wolverine was fighting mindcontrol - stated on panel in the very same issue - and missing a portion of his soul!

The spirits of jinzin, srank and battlehammer are within me. I could slap you back into oblivion... but I won't. I'm glad you're back with us, the kmc veterans... ah, the nostalgia.

Did you know that Raz isn't even the owner of the site anymore, apparently? haermm It's a minor miracle this place still exists.

The spirit of capt it up? lmao

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, PIS then. Thought so. Yes, we can ignore it if it is PIS. X KOing Wolverine when almost every other brick has been unable to - when Wolverine has even survived being decapitated, and flayed down to his bones etc....is PIS.

All righty, so I've been asked to show Bane's durability. At first, I thought I'd do nu52 Bane - but OP showed pre-52. OK.

WITH Venom, Bane has tanked Batman's attacks. So what? Well, Batman had Superman's powers at the time. So Batman's skills at punching + Superman's powers, failed to KO Bane:
http://imgur.com/zlJIxbM

WITHOUT, he has taken ~500 bricks being smashed into his face and body, by a superstrong villain:
http://imgur.com/5u8AN6c
http://imgur.com/aZkSJ3P
http://imgur.com/pbpchOS

WITHOUT, Nightshade was unable to put him down, even when using pressure point attacks:
http://imgur.com/gyGzoRc
http://imgur.com/Z5a7EDX

WITHOUT Venom, he was fighting Azrael, himself a superstrong, highly skilled fighter, who was AMPED on Venom...and Azrael was still losing. Note too, that punching an unamped Bane is like punching concrete:
http://imgur.com/oYsLt0c
http://imgur.com/g8nY8cD

Speaking of concrete, here he is, OFF Venom, being smashed repeatedly into concrete so hard, he's breaking it. By Grendel, a WW foe. Doesn't KO him:
http://i.imgur.com/wrZkHLL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qblLHPS.jpg

WITHOUT Venom, he was thrown a really far distance, and wasn't killed:
http://imgur.com/a/7Lqdg

He also routinely gets shot and stabbed, without any pause:

And breaks metal collars designed to kill him:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TDkjWc9NWaI/AAAAAAAAN2o/fTuuctvn36o/s1600/Secret+Six+23+-+bane1.jpg

He def isn't human level in his durability.

Strength wise? WITHOUT Venom, he rips a guy's arm off (whilst said guy is wearing powered armour) and beats him to death:
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679896-secretsix23012.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679892-secretsix23020.jpg

There are other feats, but this should be enough for now. He's also been so fast, he's snuck up on Batman, Tim Drake, blitzed guys before they've had a chance to shoot...

IOW, X is faster. Has the precog. Bane has been shot and stabbed, multiple times, and he just keeps coming. Here, he is shot in the shoulder, then uses the exact same arm to casually break a guy's arm, one handed.

Without Venom.:
http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2382881-4.jpg



Not only that, but he's built up his durability and endurance. He was trapped in prison for 17 years, nearly drowning everyday for hours.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, PIS then. Thought so. Yes, we can ignore it if it is PIS. X KOing Wolverine when almost every other brick has been unable to - when Wolverine has even survived being decapitated, and flayed down to his bones etc....is PIS.

I disagree with this reasoning.

The reason why the tanks are never able to put Wolverine down is that they're never hitting him with consecutive strikes. They usually punch him and send him flying away.

WWH. Needed repeated hits. Not one, or two.

Guess X is on that level?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WWH. Needed repeated hits. Not one, or two.

Guess X is on that level?

X didn't just need two hits, and he wasn't exactly giving Wolverine braindamage.

And when they fought Wolverine had been fighting the whole day, getting shot, burned and so on.

And started said day with 25 beers - stated on panel - and countless smokes. "Not even a decent booze" haermm

Originally posted by krisblaze
The spirit of capt it up? lmao

I couldn't have not included him. Phantom's archnemesis...

So as I suspected, X KOing him had some context. Thanks guys.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So as I suspected, X KOing him had some context. Thanks guys.

No worries, and I always interpreted it as Wolverine taking quite a few hits.

Originally posted by krisblaze
X didn't just need two hits, and he wasn't exactly giving Wolverine braindamage.

And when they fought Wolverine had been fighting the whole day, getting shot, burned and so on.

That's right.

He also took the time to change his clothes and clean up before facing Mr. X, so there was at least a little time between the fighting and one vs one.

No idea whether Wolverine's "healing factor" gets tired as the day wears on, but I always understood a lot of damage all at once can overload him, but he generally has infinite stamina.. (Does he need to sleep?)

Originally posted by Zack M
Bane is above street level.
Meh, I'm speaking in general terms. The KMC list, while good, includes a lot of heroes the average reader would call "street."
Originally posted by cdtm
That's right.

He also took the time to change his clothes and clean up before facing Mr. X, so there was at least a little time between the fighting and one vs one.

No idea whether Wolverine's "healing factor" gets tired as the day wears on, but I always understood a lot of damage all at once can overload him, but he generally has infinite stamina.. (Does he need to sleep?)
It's the exact opposite actually. Doing all your damage in one blow is a terrible strategy against Wolverine. You want to spread out your damage across consecutive attacks, so his healing factor will start working overtime and slow down. Once it slows down, the damage you deal will actually last.

It's why Spiderman or Mr X(w/ swords) could take a majority but Thing or Luke Cage never will. It's frequency + avoiding Wolverine stabbing you back, which most bricks can't do.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Meh, I'm speaking in general terms. The KMC list, while good, includes a lot of heroes the average reader would call "street."

It's the exact opposite actually. Doing all your damage in one blow is a terrible strategy against Wolverine. You want to spread out your damage across consecutive attacks, so his healing factor will start working overtime and slow down. Once it slows down, the damage you deal will actually last.

It's why Spiderman or Mr X(w/ swords) could take a majority but Thing or Luke Cage never will. It's frequency + avoiding Wolverine stabbing you back, which most bricks can't do.

All I'm hearing, is "Iron Fist is Wolverine's worst nightmare."

Originally posted by StyleTime
It's the exact opposite actually. Doing all your damage in one blow is a terrible strategy against Wolverine. You want to spread out your damage across consecutive attacks, so his healing factor will start working overtime and slow down. Once it slows down, the damage you deal will actually last.

It's why Spiderman or Mr X(w/ swords) could take a majority but Thing or Luke Cage never will. It's frequency + avoiding Wolverine stabbing you back, which most bricks can't do.

Where's the applause smiley?