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Over the millennia, Valkorion wore many faces and names: Lord Vitiate; Emperor of the Sith; Eternal Emperor of Zakuul. For centuries upon centuries, he shaped and manipulated galactic events, bending the arc of history to his will during his obsessive quest for immortality. A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.

With each rebirth, he grew stronger. His machinations became grander. The pain and suffering he unleashed became greater. Some believed his ultimate goal was conquest: the complete subjugation of every world, known and unknown. Others believed he sought annihilation: the consumption of every living being in the galaxy, until he alone remained.

Yet, immortality is an impossibility. No matter how strong, how powerful, how godlike, all must perish. In the end, Valkorion could not escape the inevitable, permanent end to his existence. Finally, after thousands of years, the Immortal Emperor--his body, his spirit, the very essence of his being--is no more.

A being of unfathomable power, yet it's said his bodies kept getting destroyed. I feel like this doesn't make much sense.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
A being of unfathomable power, yet it's said his bodies kept getting destroyed. I feel like this doesn't make much sense. The destruction of his bodies seem very circumstantial. He was either weakened (vanilla SWTOR) or otherwise occupied (KOTFE) when he died. Besides, Sidious' clone bodies kept dying because of the Dark Side power he wielded; same is likely true for Vitiate.

Valkorion confirmed thousandS of years old.

Godlike is quite apt.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Finally, after thousands of years, ?

Glad they killed him off before they had him do something stupid like oneshot a solar system

Originally posted by darthbane77
The destruction of his bodies seem very circumstantial. He was either weakened (vanilla SWTOR) or otherwise occupied (KOTFE) when he died. Besides, Sidious' clone bodies kept dying because of the Dark Side power he wielded; same is likely true for Vitiate. It is indeed a possibility as even his original body was barely holding his dark side energy

Confirmation that Valkorion is > Vitiate. Not that we actually needed it with common sense being a thing and all.

"In the last moments before his final ending, the being once known as Vitiate was hit with a glimpse into the depths of the future. There he saw the twists and turns of destiny coalescing around a being born of the dark side. A being incomprehensibly more powerful than he. A Shadow. The last image of his conscious mind was the shadow of Darth Sidious."

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Confirmation that Valkorion is > Vitiate. Not that we actually needed it with common sense being a thing and all.
Valkorion and Vitiate existed at the same time in different places, so not really. Especially since that was the one defeat where he was confirmed weaker. Honestly, SWTOR just doesn't make any sense. Don't try to make sense of a super powerful being that somehow always gets defeated by randoms you'll never hear about.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Valkorion and Vitiate existed at the same time in different places, so not really. Especially since that was the one defeat where he was confirmed weaker. Honestly, SWTOR just doesn't make any sense. Don't try to make sense of a super powerful being that somehow always gets defeated by randoms you'll never hear about.

Was Valkorion's first death seriously unintentional? Because if so that would be hilarious.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion confirmed thousandS of years old.

Godlike is quite apt.
You do realize the Nathema ritual was "thousands" of years ago? That doesn't mean it has to be 2000+, just over a thousand.

We're rolling with Valkorion being as old as Soa deal with it

If after like seven power growths from rebirths he's still weaker than Sidious, seeing as how Sidious is the most powerful master of evil "ever to use sith power", and Valkorion had once used sith power so he falls under that umbrella, then current Valkorion must be far inferior.

Not how it works. mmm

In all seriousness, we know that's what's going to happen; Valkorion's standing next to Sidious's may rise, but to moderate it people will scale down his past incarnations and everyone else scaled from him. It's what happened to Revan following TOR, and everyone in TOR when the gap between Vitiate and everyone else turned out to be larger than anyone could've guessed.

Originally posted by darthbane77
The destruction of his bodies seem very circumstantial. He was either weakened (vanilla SWTOR) or otherwise occupied (KOTFE) when he died. Besides, Sidious' clone bodies kept dying because of the Dark Side power he wielded; same is likely true for Vitiate.

But the difference is, Sidious wasn't able to keep the bodies from dying. Vitiate/Valk didn't have that issue, yet he somehow gets in these situations where his bodies die despite having unfathomable power?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
With each rebirth, he grew stronger. Damnit.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Glad they killed him off before they had him do something stupid like oneshot a solar system

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion confirmed thousandS of years old.

Godlike is quite apt. Yeah; sure; fine. Shame that Vitiate suddenly isn't the most (naturally) powerful Sith.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Glad they killed him off before they had him do something stupid like oneshot a solar system ^

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion confirmed thousandS of years old.

Godlike is quite apt. Yeh sure whatevs.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
We're rolling with Valkorion being as old as Soa deal with it


You dumbas****, tbcfh.

If he was just possessed by a human.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You dumbas****, tbcfh.

"Over an eternity"

Valkorion TOAA level confirmed

An eternity just over a thousand years. SWTOR writing team confirmed retarded.

??? that's the disturbing fate of his father, not his own life...

And? The point is Vitiate isn't that old.

He doesn't have to be, the quote has nothing to do with his age (@Skillz)

Why can't you just accept that Valkorion has lived for billions of years?

So he kept dying for billions of years? That doesn't really help him.

Gestalt: people joke and mess around frequently on kmc. This is one of those times.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
He doesn't have to be, the quote has nothing to do with his age (@Skillz)

^ oops, forgot that Outlander meets him

We finally have a reason to believe that Valkorion > Vitiate.

Originally posted by SunRazer
We finally have a reason to believe that Valkorion > Vitiate aside from common sense and logical inference. Now I don't have to use my brain, yay!

You mean other than the fact that Arcann said he was weaker and that Ziost was there for him to return to full strength? Common sense and logical inference, indeed.

Just found out on the Jedipedia database that he apparently was born as Tenebrae (despite being "millennia old". We never even got to see his original body D:

Originally posted by SunRazer
You mean other than the fact that Arcann said he was weaker and that Ziost was there for him to return to full strength? Common sense and logical inference, indeed. Weaker than he was at the beginning of the game.

Yeah, Valkorion saying Ziost helped him move beyond death made it pretty clear he'd gotten more powerful.

Except Arcann states he's weaker. That and the fact he was, you know, lying out of his ass. Why do people take quotes from Valkorion seriously? He also that he doesn't want to steal your body. Must be telling the truth.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except Arcann states he's weaker. That and the fact he was, you know, lying out of his ass. Why do people take quotes from Valkorion seriously? He also that he doesn't want to steal your body. Must be telling the truth. Arcann never met any of the Emperor's (other) Voices.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except Arcann states he's weaker. That and the fact he was, you know, lying out of his ass. Why do people take quotes from Valkorion seriously? He also that he doesn't want to steal your body. Must be telling the truth. facepalm
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Weaker than he was at the beginning of the game.

And he wasn't lying, you were wrong. Shame.

You repeating something doesn't make it true. And he was lying. Completely and utterly.
Originally posted by Geistalt
Arcann never met any of the Emperor's (other) Voices.
Valkorion is a voice of the Emperor and has been for several hundred years. Arcann is in his thirties. So, that's kind of full of shit.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You repeating something doesn't make it true.Then consider stopping.Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You repeating something doesn't make it true.

Anyway let's review the facts:Checks out, for anyone who isn't returded that is.

So how he falls to be precise?

He was a failur, yeah.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He was a failur, yeah.
Right.

The list includes Palpatine, Abeloth and The Ones.

All holocrons are based on a complex yet elegant technology: a lattice of organic crystals woven together at a microscopic level. The crystal lattice can store vast amounts of information, as well as replicate the appearance and personality of the holocron's creator as a gatekeeper who will guide students in their training.

In his youth, Valkorion--then known as Tenebrae--discovered a way to twist and pervert the lattice so it could capture the spirit of powerful Force users, locking them in a metaphysical cage. He used the weapon on Dramath, his tyrannical father, and trapped him inside the holocron for centuries.

But the same corrupted technology Valkorion used to vanquish his father could also be turned against him, permanently imprisoning his immortal spirit... or obliterating it from existence.

-Dramath's Holocron codex entry

Christ, so at age of ten, Vitiate constructed a holocron of unprecedented power?

Yeah, he's over Darth Plagueis by the Revan novel.

Originally posted by Azronger
All holocrons are based on a complex yet elegant technology: a lattice of organic crystals woven together at a microscopic level. The crystal lattice can store vast amounts of information, as well as replicate the appearance and personality of the holocron's creator as a gatekeeper who will guide students in their training.

In his youth, Valkorion--then known as Tenebrae--discovered a way to twist and pervert the lattice so it could capture the spirit of powerful Force users, locking them in a metaphysical cage. He used the weapon on Dramath, his tyrannical father, and trapped him inside the holocron for centuries.

But the same corrupted technology Valkorion used to vanquish his father could also be turned against him, permanently imprisoning his immortal spirit... or obliterating it from existence.

-Dramath's Holocron codex entry A convenient deus ex machina then. Sounds about right.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So how he falls to be precise?

From what I heard the spirit of his father, the Outlander Arcann and Vaylin team up against him. He attempts to possess the Outlander but they beat him in a contest of will and unlock Vaylins true power and then he gets owned. Or something like that.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Christ, so at age of ten, Vitiate constructed a holocron of unprecedented power?

Yeah, he's over Darth Plagueis by the Revan novel.

That proves nothing of his combative powers.

Lmfao. Vitiate could be shitting out galaxies and you'd still say that.

Make way for the Eternal Emperor.

Elaborate, then.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Christ, so at age of ten, Vitiate constructed a holocron of unprecedented power?

Yeah, he's over Darth Plagueis by the Revan novel.

And Luke by ESB was the most powerful Jedi Vader had ever seen. Not too unprecedented.

Originally posted by Nephthys
From what I heard the spirit of his father, the Outlander Arcann and Vaylin team up against him. He attempts to possess the Outlander but they beat him in a contest of will and unlock Vaylins true power and then he gets owned. Or something like that. So, in other words, it takes a grand total of:

1 Outlander
1 Arcann
1 Vaylin
1 Useless Dumbass/Dramath

Does he fight all of them simultaneously? 'Cause that might actually be impressive if you consider his children on Flashpoint-boss-level-tier.

"Flashpoint boss level-tier"

The ****?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
"Flashpoint boss level-tier"

The ****? You can judge how powerful most SWTOR characters are based on how many people it takes to kill them and just how experienced/powerful those people are (and how easily they kill them plot-wise).

Darth Soverus vs Arcann, who wins?

Soverus gets rekt, 'cause the Coruscant Aegis didn't exhibit any inferiority against him and his droids (unlike Malgus).

When did the strike team exhibit inferiority to Malgus? The only way you could deduce that is by game mechanics, and even then, Malgus still failed and died, and Soverus' game mechanic feats are more impressive than Malgus's.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
When did the strike team exhibit inferiority to Malgus? The only way you could deduce that is by game mechanics, and even then, Malgus still failed and died, and Soverus' game mechanic feats are more impressive than Malgus's. He Force Pushed them all simultaneously in a cutscene (and was capable of making them kneel via FL).

Anyways, for example, Darth Marr's on at least the same tier as Shae Vizla. And Arcann's > that. Like, at least Exarch-level. And Exarchs terrified Senya.

Originally posted by Nephthys
From what I heard the spirit of his father, the Outlander Arcann and Vaylin team up against him. He attempts to possess the Outlander but they beat him in a contest of will and unlock Vaylins true power and then he gets owned. Or something like that.


Thanks for the share.